Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

     

Left Nav S-B Home Register FAQ Members List S-B on Facebook Arcade WEAX Tides Buoys Calendar Today's Posts Right Nav

Left Container Right Container
 

Go Back   Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating » Striper Chat - Discuss stuff other than fishing ~ The Scuppers and Political talk » Political Threads

Political Threads This section is for Political Threads - Enter at your own risk. If you say you don't want to see what someone posts - don't read it :hihi:

 
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 06-23-2010, 12:14 PM   #31
RIROCKHOUND
Also known as OAK
iTrader: (0)
 
RIROCKHOUND's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
Posts: 10,349
Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY View Post
hey come on now! Thats no excuse for him to be critical of a junior sentaor that was once a community organizer. He f'in taught at HARVARD for gods sake!
Right:
Much better to take orders from a failed baseball/oil man/Gov of Texas or Gov of Arkansas... the Commander in Chief is the top, agree or disagree he is the boss... Context of their experience is not important here.

If this was reversed Politically, and this was a McCain White House you guys would be clamoring for the generals head.

As one of the talking heads said last night or this morning, in the military, you salute, carry out the order or you resign, period.

Bryan

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
RIROCKHOUND is offline  
Old 06-23-2010, 02:15 PM   #32
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,182
It's a moot issue now...he's gone. It is a shame that such an outstanding military career would come to an end in such a disturbing way. Some people think he was looking for an out, but I'm not sure I buy that.

-spence
spence is offline  
Old 06-23-2010, 02:38 PM   #33
RIJIMMY
sick of bluefish
iTrader: (1)
 
RIJIMMY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: TEXAS
Posts: 8,672
Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND View Post
As one of the talking heads said last night or this morning, in the military, you salute, carry out the order or you resign, period.

So you think that lawyers are better at running a war than generals?
(see Vietnam History)

making s-b.com a kinder, gentler place for all
RIJIMMY is offline  
Old 06-23-2010, 04:57 PM   #34
Raven
........
iTrader: (0)
 
Raven's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Posts: 22,805
Blog Entries: 1
O had to show His Balls
Raven is offline  
Old 06-23-2010, 06:17 PM   #35
buckman
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
buckman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 4,834
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND View Post
Right:
Much better to take orders from a failed baseball/oil man/Gov of Texas or Gov of Arkansas... the Commander in Chief is the top, agree or disagree he is the boss... Context of their experience is not important here.

If this was reversed Politically, and this was a McCain White House you guys would be clamoring for the generals head.

As one of the talking heads said last night or this morning, in the military, you salute, carry out the order or you resign, period.

Never would have happened under Bush.
buckman is offline  
Old 06-23-2010, 10:12 PM   #36
mosholu
Mosholu
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: NYC
Posts: 440
Quote:
Originally Posted by buckman View Post
Never would have happened under Bush.
You meant to say, under Cheney right?
mosholu is offline  
Old 06-24-2010, 07:27 AM   #37
Joe
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Joe's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Rhode Island
Posts: 3,650
Lobby your congressman to introduce an amendment to the constitution that removes the commander in chief powers from the executive branch.

Joe is offline  
Old 06-24-2010, 07:32 AM   #38
Swimmer
Retired Surfer
iTrader: (0)
 
Swimmer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: Sunset Grill
Posts: 9,511
Quote:
Originally Posted by mosholu View Post
You meant to say, under Cheney right?

It is extremely sad this happened under Oprah!

Swimmer a.k.a. YO YO MA
Serial Mailbox Killer/Seal Fisherman
Swimmer is offline  
Old 06-24-2010, 07:35 AM   #39
RIROCKHOUND
Also known as OAK
iTrader: (0)
 
RIROCKHOUND's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Westlery, RI
Posts: 10,349
Quote:
Originally Posted by buckman View Post
Never would have happened under Bush.
No, you just had a sec. of defense removed after a half a dozen retired top tier generals claimed military incompetence.

McCrystal F-ed up.
Obama did the right thing by accepting the resignation.
It probably was a political move to put Petraus in there... we'll see how it works out.

Bryan

Originally Posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
RIROCKHOUND is offline  
Old 06-24-2010, 08:30 AM   #40
fishbones
Registered User
iTrader: (2)
 
fishbones's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Easton, MA
Posts: 5,735
Quote:
Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND View Post
No, you just had a sec. of defense removed after a half a dozen retired top tier generals claimed military incompetence.

McCrystal F-ed up.
Obama did the right thing by accepting the resignation.
It probably was a political move to put Petraus in there... we'll see how it works out.
Obama can't win in this one. He put McChrystal in position after passing over Petraeus the first time. He also had some harsh words for Petraeus while he was campaigning for office. Now, to have to sack the guy he handpicked and go back to the guy who originally should have been the choice, it doesn't look so good. But in the end, I think Petraeus is the better choice. As decorated as McChrystal is, he had lost the confidence of a lot of the guys on the ground fighting for him. Now it's just a matter if finding out if this is a winnable war.

Conservatism is not about leaving people behind. Conservatism is about empowering people to catch up, to give them tools at their disposal that make it possible for them to access all the hope, all the promise, all the opportunity that America offers. - Marco Rubio
fishbones is offline  
Old 06-24-2010, 10:48 AM   #41
RIJIMMY
sick of bluefish
iTrader: (1)
 
RIJIMMY's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: TEXAS
Posts: 8,672
we've never defined "winnable" thus it can never be won

making s-b.com a kinder, gentler place for all
RIJIMMY is offline  
Old 06-24-2010, 12:20 PM   #42
scottw
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
scottw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,632
Quote:
Originally Posted by fishbones View Post
Obama can't win in this one. He put McChrystal in position after passing over Petraeus the first time. He also had some harsh words for Petraeus while he was campaigning for office. Now, to have to sack the guy he handpicked and go back to the guy who originally should have been the choice, it doesn't look so good. But in the end, I think Petraeus is the better choice. As decorated as McChrystal is, he had lost the confidence of a lot of the guys on the ground fighting for him. Now it's just a matter if finding out if this is a winnable war.
also consider that the remaining Obama supporters are the far left whack jobs who hate Petraeus' guts and would very much like to lose the war so that we can get on to turning this crappy, misguided country into a marxist utopia, and they want their damn Obama money...they can't be happy with Obama now either....hiring "Bush's General" and all...

did ya happen to notice that all of the independent hardworking mainstream media heads and pundints are cheering support for Obama using the IDENTICAL language.."he's brilliant"...funny how they independently and without bias or coordination report as news the exact talking points of the Obama handlers, you'd think that you'd have a least a shred of self respect or at least a little respect for your profession...this is Stalinist and worrisome... you don't have to be brilliant to be Obama or a member of his media support group...just read what they put in front of you...

and based on what I'm reading here from some, it's well recieved and repeated without question by the toe suckers who will either repeat talking points(preferrably short and rhyming so as to be easily remembered), blame Bush or tell you you are on drugs... in lieu or an intelligent thought

hey, maybe you can look forward to some Al Gore sex tapes to really get ya goin'....

it's also a nice distraction from the Blago mess..."never let a crisis go to waste"

BY NATASHA KORECKI AND SARAH OSTMAN Staff Reporters
A top aide to former Gov. Rod Blagojevich said he believed Barack Obama knew of Blagojevich's plot to win himself a presidential Cabinet post in exchange for appointing Valerie Jarrett to the U.S. Senate.

John Harris, Blagojevich's former chief of staff, testified Wednesday in the former governor's corruption trial that three days after the Nov. 4, 2008, presidential election, the ex-governor told Harris he felt confident Obama knew he wanted to swap perks.

"The president understands that the governor would be willing to make the appointment of Valerie Jarrett as long as he gets what he's asked for. . . . The governor gets the Cabinet appointment he's asked for," Harris said, explaining a recorded call.

Harris said Blagojevich came away believing Obama knew what he wanted after having a conversation with a local union representative, who in turn spoke with labor leader Tom Balanoff, with whom Blagojevich met to discuss a Jarrett appointment. Jarrett, now a White House adviser, was seeking the appointment to Obama's Senate seat.

Defense lawyers say Harris' testimony contradicts the government's previous public statements that Obama knew nothing about deal-making involving the Senate seat appointment.

The defense on Wednesday moved to force the prosecution to turn over FBI reports of Obama's interview with federal agents in December of 2008. Obama is not accused of wrongdoing.

"Testimony elicited by the government from John Harris and wiretaps played in court raise the issue of President Obama's direct knowledge and communication with emissaries and others regarding the appointment to his Senate seat," lawyers wrote in the filing

Last edited by scottw; 06-24-2010 at 12:34 PM..
scottw is offline  
Old 06-25-2010, 02:03 PM   #43
buckman
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
buckman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Mansfield
Posts: 4,834
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by RIJIMMY View Post
we've never defined "winnable" thus it can never be won
It's all over in July. Obama said so.
buckman is offline  
 

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:34 PM.


Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Please use all necessary and proper safety precautions. STAY SAFE Striper Talk Forums
Copyright 1998-20012 Striped-Bass.com