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08-25-2022, 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
you keep making less sense ....
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Do you think I've ever cared what you think?
Your a snarky troll who is such a #^&#^&#^&#^& that he would actually point out typos. |
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08-25-2022, 01:07 PM
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If you’re a Christian and mad about the possibility of student loan debt being canceled, let me remind you that your entire religion is based on a debt you couldn’t pay that someone stepped in and paid for you.
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08-25-2022, 01:08 PM
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#63
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
We also used to at least, give student loan interest deductions. This isn't that. Not even close.
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he's arguing that we should do the right thing and create even more unfairness..... |
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08-25-2022, 01:09 PM
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#64
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Originally Posted by PaulS
Do you think I've ever cared what you think?
Your a snarky troll who is such a #^&#^&#^&#^& that he would actually point out typos.
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it's not my fault that you don't make sense...if insulting me makes you feel better...I forgive you |
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08-25-2022, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
it's not my fault that you don't make sense...if insulting me makes you feel better...I forgive you
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I lobbed up a typo for you. I would have thought you would be all over it so it could put a smile on your face. |
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08-25-2022, 01:16 PM
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#66
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I lobbed up a typo for you.
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Probably wasn’t funny or ironic….
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08-25-2022, 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
he's arguing that we should do the right thing and create even more unfairness.....
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Didn’t you ever learn, life’s not fair
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08-25-2022, 01:59 PM
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#68
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Originally Posted by scottw
I was responding to Jim responding to Eben,,,,,,lay off the coffee
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No, Scott. You are wrong. You, again, used a generalization about a specific group into which I would be a member of; people who took out student loans. Period. Done. You can't change that. You made the statement. Have the balls to stand by it, even amend it. But don't insult me for pointing out a response to your statement. |
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08-25-2022, 02:05 PM
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#69
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Originally Posted by nightfighter
No, Scott. You are wrong. You, again, used a generalization about a specific group into which I would be a member of; people who took out student loans. Period. Done. You can't change that. You made the statement. Have the balls to stand by it, even amend it. But don't insult me for pointing out a response to your statement.
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I cannot believe Scott has any issue with people who took out student loans, my wife and I both did. And I don't have an issue with anyone taking advantage of this program if they are eligible. Personally, I have issues with people who have felt entitled to this and advocated for it. |
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08-25-2022, 02:07 PM
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For most Americans, a strong system of public education is a core value.
Extremists want to destroy that in any and all forms.
Don’t let them.
As a Boomer myself, my generation didn't work hard to get the benefits we had, our parents & grandparents did. They didn't say "I didn't have that so why should you?" They said, "I want better for the next generations." Their boomer kids said "I'm good. Ef’m!”
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08-25-2022, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
i have a neighbor who’s kid didn’t want to go to college. he took out a small business loan and bought a trailer and some landscaping equipment, owns his own little business
Give me one conceivable reason why a student loan gets forgiven, but not his business loan?
answer - student loans enrich colleges which are huge allies of the democrat party.
this is also a huge transfer of wealth from the poor to the upper class.
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Gonna run up the BS flag on you here. First you need to back up your answer with facts about how student loans and their forgiveness directly enrich colleges. I am sure you can come up with bullet proof documentation... And secondly, let's pull the name of the kid's landscaping business and the town he is in. I will put money down that he got a PPP loan, and maybe two, since forgiven, that would be twice what i made during those two years. Tell me how that loan was more deserving please.... |
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08-25-2022, 02:20 PM
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$800 Billion in the PPP boondoggle makes this look like well spent chump change. The #^&#^&#^&#^& people get crazy about and they conveniently forget when they benefitted from going to the well.....
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“Americans have the right and advantage of being armed, unlike the people of other countries, whose leaders are afraid to trust them with arms.” – James Madison.
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08-25-2022, 02:38 PM
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#73
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Originally Posted by nightfighter
No, Scott. You are wrong. You, again, used a generalization about a specific group into which I would be a member of; people who took out student loans. Period. Done. You can't change that. You made the statement. Have the balls to stand by it, even amend it. But don't insult me for pointing out a response to your statement.
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are you drunk?
I didn't respond to you...I responded to Jim
I took out student loans and paid them off, I married someone who had student loans and we paid them off, I have two kids in college who have student loans and we will pay them off...
get over yourself tough guy....I never insulted you...
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08-25-2022, 02:39 PM
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#74
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Originally Posted by nightfighter
.. And secondly, let's pull the name of the kid's landscaping business and the town he is in. I will put money down that he got a PPP loan, and maybe two, since forgiven, that would be twice what i made during those two years. Tell me how that loan was more deserving please....
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so weak,,,,,,, |
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08-25-2022, 03:01 PM
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I have friends in Canada, where college tuition runs <9K (in American $), everyone has health insurance & maternity leave lasts a year. Also, abortion is both legal & publicly funded.
Debt, nah, it’s less
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08-25-2022, 03:08 PM
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#76
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Originally Posted by scottw
are you drunk?
I didn't respond to you...I responded to Jim
I took out student loans and paid them off, I married someone who had student loans and we paid them off, I have two kids in college who have student loans and we will pay them off...
get over yourself tough guy....I never insulted you...
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I have two kids in college who have student loans and we will pay them off...
Minus 10K each? because this could apply to their loans  |
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08-25-2022, 04:54 PM
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#77
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Originally Posted by nightfighter
$800 Billion in the PPP boondoggle makes this look like well spent chump change. The #^&#^&#^&#^& people get crazy about and they conveniently forget when they benefitted from going to the well.....
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i didn’t like PPP either, but that was done to save jobs that weren’t lost by anyone’s choice, they were lost because the government shut them down.
the government didn’t force anybody to take out any student loans.
why should a poor person struggling every month, bear the burden of someone making 250k who chose to take out loans? other then the fact that you like that you’re benefitting, what’s the logic?
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08-25-2022, 04:59 PM
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#78
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Originally Posted by nightfighter
Gonna run up the BS flag on you here. First you need to back up your answer with facts about how student loans and their forgiveness directly enrich colleges. I am sure you can come up with bullet proof documentation... And secondly, let's pull the name of the kid's landscaping business and the town he is in. I will put money down that he got a PPP loan, and maybe two, since forgiven, that would be twice what i made during those two years. Tell me how that loan was more deserving please....
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call back all you want.
government-backed loans are a huge boon to colleges. The college has absolutely zero risk because they get their money up front.
economics 101. cheap money makes prices higher.
this will make it way worse. kids will
assume future loans will
be transferred away from
them, so why not take out a stupid loan?
i don’t have documentation. it’s common sense. if students were forced to rely on savings, colleges would be forced to lower prices.
you can’t win this one with logic. because there isn’t any to support it. it’s a vote buying transfer of wealth that will benefit affluent people
far more than it will benefit poor people.
business owners were victims of ( it turns out) stupid state governments shutting down the economy. the business owners didn’t choose to shut down the economy
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your kids chose to take out the loans. big, big difference.
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08-25-2022, 05:14 PM
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Minus 10K each? because this could apply to their loans |
how would that be wayne?...is this going to be permanent for loans going forward into the future? are all future college students going to be able to count on brandon knocking 10 grand off their total? do the kids that continued to pay their loans during the time the loans were not being repaid over the last few years get a refund for being responsible? |
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08-25-2022, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by scottw
how would that be wayne?...is this going to be permanent for loans going forward into the future? are all future college students going to be able to count on brandon knocking 10 grand off their total? do the kids that continued to pay their loans during the time the loans were not being repaid over the last few years get a refund for being responsible?
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Seems if they have a government loans from the programs listed .
why shouldn’t they qualify. That’s all.
And most who are qualified to get the 10k waved . Haven’t stopped paying their loans or suddenly going to stop paying what they owe.
Many have stopped paying the past and many will in the future . But that’s with any loan
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08-25-2022, 06:32 PM
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Millions in covid aid went to retrain veterans. Only 397 landed jobs.
Nearly $400 million went to a veteran retraining program as part of the American Rescue Plan
Not sure why Republicans aren’t outraged over that. Or dems f
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08-25-2022, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by wdmso
Seems if they have a government loans from the programs listed .
why shouldn’t they qualify. That’s all.
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They are still in school….
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08-25-2022, 07:39 PM
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They are still in school….
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I guess they haven’t graduated and gotten all those high paying Gender Studies jobs they are trained for
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08-25-2022, 08:51 PM
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comparing this to PPP forgiveness is wrong. When people took that PPP money, the agreement was that it would
not have to be repaid if the business owner used most to pay employees and if they agreed to hire employees back after the lockdowns ended. It was not set up as a loan to be repaid
With student loans, the borrowers promised to repay borrowed money.
Just do what you said you’d do, and keep your entitled hands out of my wallet.
No comparison.
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08-26-2022, 03:18 PM
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Ah the outrage
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08-26-2022, 03:47 PM
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They are still in school….
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didn't think still being in school (college ) stopped anyone from getting relief . Many people got the relief who never finished school |
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08-26-2022, 03:48 PM
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Ah the outrage
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08-26-2022, 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
comparing this to PPP forgiveness is wrong. When people took that PPP money, the agreement was that it would
not have to be repaid if the business owner used most to pay employees and if they agreed to hire employees back after the lockdowns ended. It was not set up as a loan to be repaid
With student loans, the borrowers promised to repay borrowed money.
Just do what you said you’d do, and keep your entitled hands out of my wallet.
No comparison.
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They came into their riches by participating in what experts say is the theft of as much as $80 billion — or about 10 percent — of the $800 billion handed out in a Covid relief plan known as the Paycheck Protection Program, or PPP. That’s on top of the $90 billion to $400 billion believed to have been stolen from the $900 billion Covid unemployment relief program — at least half taken by fraudsters
yep its funny to see your comparisons . then claim there's no comparison
Bidens committing Theft of hard working americans giving liberals loan relief in your eyes and republican messaging ..
But you and your party are more concerned about hunters Laptop then recovering all this taxpayer Money
Why is That? |
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08-26-2022, 05:53 PM
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They came into their riches by participating in what experts say is the theft of as much as $80 billion — or about 10 percent — of the $800 billion handed out in a Covid relief plan known as the Paycheck Protection Program, or PPP. That’s on top of the $90 billion to $400 billion believed to have been stolen from the $900 billion Covid unemployment relief program — at least half taken by fraudsters
yep its funny to see your comparisons . then claim there's no comparison
Bidens committing Theft of hard working americans giving liberals loan relief in your eyes and republican messaging ..
But you and your party are more concerned about hunters Laptop then recovering all this taxpayer Money
Why is That?
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PPP wasnt a loan that businesses agreed to pay back. the agreement was that it wouldnt have to be repaid if conditions were met.
Student loans were a contract that stipulated repayment. Everyone who took out a loan, including my wife and i, chose to do so
Student loans are nothing like PPP.
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08-27-2022, 03:35 AM
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didn't think still being in school (college ) stopped anyone from getting relief .
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think about how stupid this is.... |
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