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Old 06-24-2018, 06:19 AM   #1
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Where are your papers

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Border patrol agents are stopping people on highways in New England to check their citizenship


More hysteria from the left ..... 11 hour check point's



let not compare this to a sobriety check point they are announced.. but some one will say they are no different
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Old 06-24-2018, 06:28 AM   #2
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If you arenít doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear. Your comparison of this to Nazi germany is absurd, and itís why trump won.
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Spence said it's not illegal to be here illegally so I don't know what all the fuss is about...
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Old 06-24-2018, 06:46 AM   #4
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If you arenít doing anything wrong, you have nothing to fear. Your comparison of this to Nazi germany is absurd, and itís why trump won.
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Since when have your rights to freedom of movement been based on the requirement you need to prove your not doing anything wrong... but if this was a weapons check you would be singing a different tune ..... Nazi Germany became they way it was with people who think like you and accept these actions as a good party member
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Yesterday cops were all over the place in south county yesterday.

Are we all enjoying our liberty, persuit of happiness and freedom?
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Since when have your rights to freedom of movement been based on the requirement you need to prove your not doing anything wrong... but if this was a weapons check you would be singing a different tune ..... Nazi Germany became they way it was with people who think like you and accept these actions as a good party member
Iíve been stopped at checks for seat belts, Dui checks, registration checks, emissions checks. I think itís well established that these are legal and pursuint to public safety. You sound like an antifa spokesman.
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Theyíre risking their lives for you. Did it infringe on your freedoms?
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https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/23/u...nts/index.html

Border patrol agents are stopping people on highways in New England to check their citizenship


More hysteria from the left ..... 11 hour check point's



let not compare this to a sobriety check point they are announced.. but some one will say they are no different
What is your opinion? Is this Trump's fault? Or is this a government program run amok, independent of Trump? Or is it an agency doing its job?

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Border patrol agents are stopping people on highways in New England to check their citizenship


More hysteria from the left ..... 11 hour check point's



let not compare this to a sobriety check point they are announced.. but some one will say they are no different
This is not new
It has been happening for quite a while as it also happens on the southern border inland also.

I find it wrong as a Libertarian and not a left vs right issue but you are entitled to your opinion to frame it however you choose.

It is just as wrong as sobriety checks since you brought it up. Both of these stops you should be allowed to move passed without speaking or even opening your window.

There should be specific instructions given to all involved in these type of blocks and if they are not legally followed by some, they should be reprimanded accordingly.
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
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We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order. Most children come without parents...


its all part of his bigger plan ... whos next once he has saved us from the invasion Liberals , elites , the educated . his political opponents his critics ....
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We cannot allow all of these people to invade our Country. When somebody comes in, we must immediately, with no Judges or Court Cases, bring them back from where they came. Our system is a mockery to good immigration policy and Law and Order. Most children come without parents...


its all part of his bigger plan ... whos next once he has saved us from the invasion Liberals , elites , the educated . his political opponents his critics ....
Calm down we still have the constitution.
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For how long?
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President Trump doesn't seem to understand that the fifth and Fourteenth Amendment apply to all people in the u.s. whether year legally or not
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President Trump doesn't seem to understand that the fifth and Fourteenth Amendment apply to all people in the u.s. whether year legally or not
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Paul, can you translate for those of us who happen to speak English?
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I usually just ignore him as he really doesn't have anything to add
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The Fifth Amendment stipulates some exceptions, including matters of public danger which surely arises with a massive influx of illegal aliens. And the Amendment specifically applies to capital or otherwise infamous crimes. It doesn't apply to misdemeanors.

The Fourteenth Amendment applies to born or naturalized citizens or to "any person within its jurisdiction". Illegal aliens would be under the jurisdiction of their home country, the country to which they are citizens. Not being under the jurisdiction of the U.S, except as illegally being here "equal protection of the laws" would not fully apply to them. They do not have equal access to our system. Nor do they have superior privileges to actual citizens. If citizens can be separated from their children when being detained, certainly illegal aliens can.
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The Trump administration last week opened a trade investigation into vehicle imports, which could result in a 25 percent tariff on cars on the same “national security” grounds


the Trump catch all “national security” grounds


Trump’s unprecedented disregard for the role of Congress is particularly evident in the administration’s trade investigations under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, which grants the president broad powers to “adjust” imports to prevent threats to “national security.”

But we still have the constitution (you have to believe in it 1st Trumps not looking like he does unless it suites him)
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The Trump administration last week opened a trade investigation into vehicle imports, which could result in a 25 percent tariff on cars on the same “national security” grounds


the Trump catch all “national security” grounds


Trump’s unprecedented disregard for the role of Congress is particularly evident in the administration’s trade investigations under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act of 1962, which grants the president broad powers to “adjust” imports to prevent threats to “national security.”

But we still have the constitution (you have to believe in it 1st Trumps not looking like he does unless it suites him)
Not sure what your point is in this post. But tinkering with the Constitution by Progressive "interpretation" of it in the way that it suits judges and politicians has been going on for a century. In that time, the piling on of bad precedent as well as destructive novel interpretations is now beginning to bite the azz of the Progressives, as warned that it would, by giving their enemies the phony legal ammunition to do what the Constitution should prevent. From what you've said in several previous posts, I don't understand your objection to "interpreting" in ways that suit the interpreter.
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The Fifth Amendment stipulates some exceptions, including matters of public danger which surely arises with a massive influx of illegal aliens. And the Amendment specifically applies to capital or otherwise infamous crimes. It doesn't apply to misdemeanors.

The Fourteenth Amendment applies to born or naturalized citizens or to "any person within its jurisdiction". Illegal aliens would be under the jurisdiction of their home country, the country to which they are citizens. Not being under the jurisdiction of the U.S, except as illegally being here "equal protection of the laws" would not fully apply to them. They do not have equal access to our system. Nor do they have superior privileges to actual citizens. If citizens can be separated from their children when being detained, certainly illegal aliens can.

The Fourteenth does apply most standards to illegal aliens. While they do not get all rights they do get equal protection. But you are correct, they should not get superior protection.

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The Fourteenth does apply most standards to illegal aliens. While they do not get all rights they do get equal protection. But you are correct, they should not get superior protection.
I agree with your stipulation of "most" standards. Which is why I said "'equal protection of the laws' would not fully apply to them."

But are illegals "under the jurisdiction" of the U.S. government?

The way the Amendment is written does not say they are. It starts "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Thus CITIZENS are under the jurisdiction of our State and Federal governments. Illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the country in which they are citizens.

The last sentence in section 1 of the Amendment says "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

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The way the Amendment is written does not say they are. It starts "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." Thus CITIZENS are under the jurisdiction of our State and Federal governments. Illegal aliens are subject to the jurisdiction of the country in which they are citizens.

The last sentence in section 1 of the Amendment says "No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."
How the Amendment is written is less important than how the courts have found...in which case they have found that due process is entitled for undocumented immigrants.
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How the Amendment is written is less important than how the courts have found...in which case they have found that due process is entitled for undocumented immigrants.
And therein lies the heart of Progressive jurisprudence. In essence, what the Constitution says is irrelevant. What the Judges say is what counts. Spence, why would you be concerned, as you've implied, about how long the Constitution exists? For you it's the Judges that matter. There doesn't seem to be any danger of the Judges disappearing. Quite the contrary, they are stronger and more important than ever. Long live the Judges. Who needs the Constitution?
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And therein lies the heart of Progressive jurisprudence. In essence, what the Constitution says is irrelevant. What the Judges say is what counts. Spence, why would you be concerned, as you've implied, about how long the Constitution exists? For you it's the Judges that matter. There doesn't seem to be any danger of the Judges disappearing. Quite the contrary, they are stronger and more important than ever. Long live the Judges. Who needs the Constitution?
Not progressive jurisprudence just common sense.
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Not progressive jurisprudence just common sense.
Common sense would dictate that Judges should interpret and apply the law as it is written, not as they choose.
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