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10-02-2017, 07:44 PM
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Originally Posted by tysdad115
Nowhere do "the forefathers" mention hunting in regard to the second amendment but they sure do mention a tyrannical government and I'll stick with the facts thanks.
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You are right, no mention of hunting. It does mention a well regulated militia.
I think GS is bringing up a discussion of what well-regulated militia means. Oxford dictionary states:
well-regulated, adjective
Properly governed or directed; (now) especially strictly controlled by rules or regulations.
Origin
Late 16th century; earliest use found in Geoffrey Fenton (c1539–1608), translator and administrator in Ireland. From well + regulated.
Having a discussion of where that line is a valid discussion. You have your opinion, we have ours.
Where is the line? Grenades? Tanks? Working Howitzer in your front yard?
Since Jim CT is probably the only one here who has seen what these weapons actually do to a person, so I'll weight his opinion appropriately.
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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10-02-2017, 07:47 PM
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In December 2012, a gunman walked into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, and killed 20 children, six adults, and himself. Since then, there have been at least 1,518 mass shootings, with at least 1,715 people killed and 6,089 wounded.
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10-02-2017, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Got Stripers
In December 2012, a gunman KILLED HIS OWN MOTHER ,STOLE HER FIREARMS and walked into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut, and killed 20 children, six adults, and himself. Since then, there have been at least 1,518 mass shootings, with at least 1,715 people killed and 6,089 wounded.
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I inserted what you guys choose to leave out.
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Does your incessant whining make you feel better? How about you just shut the hell up and suck it up? It's a fishing forum , so please just stop.
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10-02-2017, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
You are right, no mention of hunting. It does mention a well regulated militia.
I think GS is bringing up a discussion of what well-regulated militia means. Oxford dictionary states:
well-regulated, adjective
Properly governed or directed; (now) especially strictly controlled by rules or regulations.
Origin
Late 16th century; earliest use found in Geoffrey Fenton (c1539–1608), translator and administrator in Ireland. From well + regulated.
Having a discussion of where that line is a valid discussion. You have your opinion, we have ours.
Where is the line? Grenades? Tanks? Working Howitzer in your front yard?
Since Jim CT is probably the only one here who has seen what these weapons actually do to a person, so I'll weight his opinion appropriately.
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It also reads "shall not be infringed"...
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Does your incessant whining make you feel better? How about you just shut the hell up and suck it up? It's a fishing forum , so please just stop.
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10-02-2017, 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tysdad115
It also reads "shall not be infringed"...
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Great.
Where is the line?
Grenades?
Mines?
Anti-aircraft guns in your back yard?
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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10-02-2017, 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Great.
Where is the line?
Grenades?
Mines?
Anti-aircraft guns in your back yard?
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Can I get those? I pass a background check every firearm purchase I make. Do you get those through the internet loophole I hear so much about? Or are those already restricted items according to ATF?
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Does your incessant whining make you feel better? How about you just shut the hell up and suck it up? It's a fishing forum , so please just stop.
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10-02-2017, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by tysdad115
Can I get those? I pass a background check every firearm purchase I make. Do you get those through the internet loophole I hear so much about? Or are those already restricted items according to ATF?
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So, I'm just trying to find the line. Those are illegal (obviously I picked things that were clearly illegal), and that is OK with you that those are restricted?
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Bryan
Originally Posted by #^^^^^^^^^^^&
"For once I agree with Spence. UGH. I just hope I don't get the urge to go start buying armani suits to wear in my shop"
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10-02-2017, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
So, I'm just trying to find the line. Those are illegal (obviously I picked things that were clearly illegal), and that is OK with you that those are restricted?
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Hell no!! I'd love to safely and responsibly own an anti aircraft gun or 3!! The OP was about automatic weapons, rifles easily converted etc etc...that was my reply. Personally most illegal things are the most fun..yes I've fired several automatic firearms, no it doesn't make me an expert but it made me smile and dammit I liked them.
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Does your incessant whining make you feel better? How about you just shut the hell up and suck it up? It's a fishing forum , so please just stop.
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10-02-2017, 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by tysdad115
Personally most illegal things are the most fun..yes I've fired several automatic firearms, no it doesn't make me an expert but it made me smile and dammit I liked them.
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that sounds like FREEDOM
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The United States Constitution does not exist to grant you rights; those rights are inherent within you. Rather it exists to frame a limited government so that those natural rights can be exercised freely.
1984 was a warning, not a guidebook!
It's time more people spoke up with the truth. Every time we let a leftist lie go uncorrected, the commies get stronger.
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10-02-2017, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND
Great.
Where is the line?
Grenades?
Mines?
Anti-aircraft guns in your back yard?
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I think that's a great point (sincerely, no sarcasm). If you take that "shall not be infringed" literally, then any restrictions, any at all, are unconstitutional. So where's the right place to draw the line?
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10-02-2017, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tysdad115
It also reads "shall not be infringed"...
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Yes it does, and that's the thing. I'm not a huge fan of all these guns in the hands of people with a questionable grasp of reality. But what's scarier to me, is ignoring the parts of the constitution we don't happen to like. I'm not a conspiracy nut, but that is a slippery slope I don't feel like embarking upon.
There isn't anything even close to an easy answer. I wish there were a lot less guns. I also wish there was a bit less evil, and a bit more empathy.
Everybody here is making a lot of sense, I think...no extreme reactions one way or the other. Neither Charlton Heston nor Nancy Pelosi has the answer, I'm confident of that.
Our moral compass needs a tune up. I turned the TV off and went outside to shoot hoops with my kids.
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