How many of you Libs believed this B.S.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

here if You guys need to look up anything here is a copy of the Super Secret, Behind Closed Doors stimulus bill.......Found it online in about 3 minutes.....really hidden away

This is the link to a summary....

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...timSummary.pdf

and this is a link to the whole package as drawn up.....

http://big.assets.huffingtonpost.com...mamendment.pdf

Have Fun.....

Now that it's a done deal and we didn't have any input.

Is this the version they voted on? Complete with Nancy Pelousi hen scratchings.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by buckman

Now that it's a done deal and we didn't have any input.

Is this the version they voted on? Complete with Nancy Pelousi hen scratchings.

I'll make sure they call you next time and get your approval 1st....

[buckman]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I'll make sure they call you next time and get your approval 1st....

Thanks. Or they could just do what Obama and the Democrats promised to do. But why would we expect that.

[striperman36]

Or maybe you'll just depend on your blessed Republican party and sit doing nothing until there's nothing to sit around for.

Lets hear some Republican tell us what the REAL thing to do is.

Oh and if you don't like the stimulus, don't take the money.

[PaulS]

Here's an interesting article on the hypocrisy of the southern Repub. states have been s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g off the northern Demo. states for years and denying that what their doing is accepting welfare.


By Paul Begala
CNN Contributor

Editor's note: Paul Begala, a Democratic strategist and CNN political
contributor, was a political consultant for Bill Clinton's presidential campaign in 1992 and was counselor to Clinton in the White House.

Paul Begala says South Carolina's governor should refuse to take federal aid he opposes.

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Gov. Mark Sanford of South Carolina took umbrage at my writing that his approach to the economic crisis is to do nothing. I'll deal with his "ideas" in a moment, but first let me make a modest proposal: If Republican politicians are so deeply opposed to President Obama's economic recovery plan, they should refuse to take the money. After all, if you think all that federal spending is damaging, there are easy ways to reduce it: Don't take
federal money. Gov. Sanford can lead the way. South Carolina should decline to accept any federal funds for transportation, education, health care, clean energy or any of the other ideas President Obama is advocating to fix the economy. And the rest
of the GOP can follow suit. Justice Louis Brandeis famously called states "laboratories of democracy." So let's experiment. Gov. Sanford can be the guinea pig. His Palmetto State already gets $1.35 back from Washington for every dollar it pays in federal taxes, according to 2005 numbers, the latest calculated by the Tax foundation, a nonprofit tax research group.

Don't Miss Gov. Sanford: Don't mortgage our kids' future

Begala: GOP strategy to deny, do nothing

South Carolina is a ward of the federal government. It's been on welfare for years. If Gov. Sanford is so all-fired opposed to federal spending, let's start by cutting federal spending in South Carolina. Otherwise, he's got about as much credibility on fiscal conservatism as A-Rod has on steroids. Under the Bush-Sanford economic theories, South Carolina's unemployment rate has reached 9.5 percent -- among the highest in the nation. But if Gov. Sanford
wants to continue those policies, good luck to him. Make no mistake about it, Republicans like Gov. Sanford want to go back to the bad old days of George W. Bush. In his CNN.com column, Gov. Sanford expends 605 words attacking President Obama's plan to turn the country around after eight years of Bush-Republican-Sanford economics. That is his right, but attacking President Obama's plan is not itself an alternative plan. Nor is dredging up hoary old gripes about the New Deal. Nor, indeed, is deriding neighborhood electric vehicles -- which create jobs, save money and reduce pollution -- as "streamlined golf carts." But that is what Gov. Sanford offers us. iReport.com: Share your thoughts on the stimulus plan
Then Gov. Sanford turns to his ideas (keep in mind he was responding to my charge that he favors doing nothing). He devotes precisely one half of one sentence to his plan to save the world economy; 24 words that will create millions of jobs, restore liquidity to capital markets, protect investors and consumers, regenerate stagnant demand and restore the capitalist system. Here they are:
"... cutting the payroll tax, opening foreign markets through an expansion of our trade agreements, and reducing our corporate tax, which is among the highest worldwide." Wow. As we say in the South, I've got the vapors. So cutting taxes nd cutting trade deals will get us out of this mess? That's all we need to do? We don't need to extend unemployment insurance, or update health information
technology, or move to renewable energy or repair roads or rebuild bridges or modernize the power grid or prevent states and cities from laying off teachers and cops or any of the other myriad proposals in President Obama's plan? To be sure, President Obama's plan includes tax cuts -- mostly for middle-class families. But cutting taxes on corporate profits is of little utility when there are no corporate profits to tax. And precisely with whom would Gov. Sanford cut these miraculous trade deals? In case he hasn't been watching CNN, the entire world economy is in the tank.
If cutting taxes for the rich and for big corporations and promoting foreign trade alone could energize the economy, we wouldn't be in this mess. But maybe Gov. Sanford is right. Let's keep our federal money -- give it to states where the governors will actually put it to good use. We'll let Gov. Sanford try his plan, we'll try President Obama's plan. Something tells me Gov. Sanford won't take that gamble. Because for all his rhetoric about hating federal spending, he can't wait to get his hands on our money.

[RIJIMMY]

Not one single response to Buckmans post about Obamas promises. I put two of his promises out there which he has broken ALREADY. the largest spending bill in US HISTORY and it was rushed through congress with no review by the American people. All you guys can do is continue to bash Bush.

And PaulS, Begala's article is as immature as Rush's, he must be hurting for material defending O.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

1.End the Practice of Writing Legislation Behind Closed Doors: As president, Barack Obama will restore the American people's trust in their government by making government more open and transparent.

2.Sunlight Before Signing: Too often bills are rushed through Congress and to the president before the public has the opportunity to review them. As president, Obama will not sign any non-emergency bill without giving the American public an opportunity to review and comment on the White House website for five days.

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

I put two of his promises out there which he has broken ALREADY. the largest spending bill in US HISTORY and it was rushed through congress with no review by the American people.

I answered your 2 questions, albeit sarcasticaly....Every word of the Stimulus package has been available for the people to read,....if they would just take the time to read it.....every time they updated it, they released the new version to the public, and the final one has been available for at least 5 days.....nothing super secret.

I don't know whether you are expecting a personal e-mail from them or what. but the info is out there.

[RIJIMMY]

Dad, thats not true. The leigislation was written behind clsoed doors, most members of congress have barely read it and did not have time, see the Cafferty article I posed under the Stimulus bill thread. The bill just passed the Senate friday night and will be signed by Obama today. Thats not 5 days and the final version has not been available to review. Your links are not to the the final bill.

[likwid]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

I don't know whether you are expecting a personal e-mail from them or what. but the info is out there.

He wants it in storybook form with big pictures.
GIMME GIMME GIMME GIMME

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

Not one single response to Buckmans post about Obamas promises. I put two of his promises out there which he has broken ALREADY. the largest spending bill in US HISTORY and it was rushed through congress with no review by the American people. All you guys can do is continue to bash Bush.

And PaulS, Begala's article is as immature as Rush's, he must be hurting for material defending O.

Yeah Jim I am not happy about that hurry up and sign it without transparency thing. Definitely a 'huh'"

[The Dad Fisherman]

Here is the website link to the bill....and you can even leave your comments on it if you so choose....

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...public_review/

[RIJIMMY]

thanks, good things there is a 5000 space limit, I'll have to focus my comments.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

thanks, good things there is a 5000 space limit, I'll have to focus my comments.

Here's a short version;

150 million for climate stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

2 billion for transportation stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

100 no 200 Million for education stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

alot of billions for states ( to be determined by Democrats later)

150 million for studies ( to be determined by Democrats later)

Believe it or not that's not to far off from the truth

[fishbones]

I'm thrilled! I just found out that they're giving $4 million to Ponkapoag Golf Course to fix the fairways. That's a great way to spend stimulus money!

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by buckman

Here's a short version;

150 million for climate stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

2 billion for transportation stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

100 no 200 Million for education stuff ( to be determined by Democrats later)

alot of billions for states ( to be determined by Democrats later)

150 million for studies ( to be determined by Democrats later)

Believe it or not that's not to far off from the truth

CadillacDeval is laughing the whole way to the wheelbarrow store.

I didn't see the STD funding again

[buckman]

Originally Posted by fishbones

I'm thrilled! I just found out that they're giving $4 million to Ponkapoag Golf Course to fix the fairways. That's a great way to spend stimulus money!

I have golfed there. That's not enough money!

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by buckman

I have golfed there. That's not enough money!

From what I understand, they're looking to bring the U.S. Open there in the future. It's actually possible that the $4 mill could be recouped if they did. If they move back to all the original tee placements on course 1, it will play about 7600 + yards. Course 1 is a disaster, but course 2 is pretty decent for the greens fees they charge.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by fishbones

From what I understand, they're looking to bring the U.S. Open there in the future. It's actually possible that the $4 mill could be recouped if they did. If they move back to all the original tee placements on course 1, it will play about 7600 + yards. Course 1 is a disaster, but course 2 is pretty decent for the greens fees they charge.

Is that still a state owned course?

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by buckman

Is that still a state owned course?

Yes, I think it's operated by the parks and recreation department or MDC.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by fishbones

Yes, I think it's operated by the parks and recreation department or MDC.

That's what I thought. 4 million won't even be enough to administer the project.