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Old 07-13-2018, 11:10 AM   #31
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Yes, we should be part of NATO and like all good partnerships, they only work when everyone pitches in - most of Europe needs to step in for THEIR protection.
Sure everyone should pitch in but this notion that NATO is freeloading off the US is absurd. Military spending in the EU alone dwarfs Russia. The US has been the only nation to ever benefit from Article 5 directly and I'd be willing to wager NATO inhibiting westward expansion of communism over the past 1/2 century has benefited the US more than any other nation by far.

Trump is either just creating creating chaos so he can claim to be a savior or genuinely working to undermine the institution. Neither is a good thing and will do lasting harm.
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You know why we press 1 for English?
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there are some interesting reading on the topic just press 1


but in reality Spanish-language functionality in customer service reflects corporate priorities for national companies
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For companies, the adoption of Spanish in customer service calls is an example of “market-driven multiculturalism.” As we’ve seen with corporate America’s blanket support of the gay rights movement, capitalism looks out for minorities because minorities are customers. “They’re just trying to make more money,”


Grew up seeing this
nós falamos portugues every where.. I still have friends who's parents speak very little english.. the kids they speak both I clearly understand it take 2 to 3 generations for english to be primary and Americanized 1 generation ...

13% of the us are Spanish speakers 3.337 million live in Puerto Rico its all about making money
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Sure everyone should pitch in but this notion that NATO is freeloading off the US is absurd. Military spending in the EU alone dwarfs Russia. The US has been the only nation to ever benefit from Article 5 directly and I'd be willing to wager NATO inhibiting westward expansion of communism over the past 1/2 century has benefited the US more than any other nation by far.

Trump is either just creating creating chaos so he can claim to be a savior or genuinely working to undermine the institution. Neither is a good thing and will do lasting harm.

Spence, European NATO members, excepting the UK, have not met their baselines for over 20 years. Only a couple nations in the past year or two have hit the 2% baseline.

If OBama was so magical he would have been able to get Europe to manage their own defense spending to meet minimum safe levels eight years ago. This mostly benefits Europe. Europe is strong enough and wealthy enough to meet THEIR obligations for their own defense.

But this is has been a serious topic of people in Diplo/Security for a decade plus - you probably know that - and it came LONG before Trump.



And yes Trump is doing it in typical miserable fashion
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Old 07-15-2018, 12:29 PM   #34
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Spence, European NATO members, excepting the UK, have not met their baselines for over 20 years. Only a couple nations in the past year or two have hit the 2% baseline.

If OBama was so magical he would have been able to get Europe to manage their own defense spending to meet minimum safe levels eight years ago. This mostly benefits Europe. Europe is strong enough and wealthy enough to meet THEIR obligations for their own defense.

But this is has been a serious topic of people in Diplo/Security for a decade plus - you probably know that - and it came LONG before Trump.
But - and you probably know this - that members have been paying more in recent years and most have reasonable plans to meet their goals. The 2% number is a stake in the ground anyway, I've read some concern that NATO at full 2%+ could lead to over-militarization of Europe.

What's more worrisome is that Trump doesn't seem to understand 1) how NATO even works and 2) why it's important. The money issues is really meaningless to him, he just wants to be disruptive because he doesn't believe in multi-lateral institutions.
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Spence, European NATO members, excepting the UK, have not met their baselines for over 20 years. Only a couple nations in the past year or two have hit the 2% baseline.


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