turkey already bombing syria

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Can’t imagine being a wife or husband of one of those 1000 military men and women now trapped and maybe needing to be airlifted out due to this brilliant foreign policy move. Policy made not in a room surrounded by foreign policy experts and military commanders, no its after a phone call with a foreign power who has everything to gain. What did we get out of this bargain? Secure transport of Isis prisoners, nope. Secure removal of our military from harms way, nope. We must have gotten assurance from Turkey it wouldn’t go beyond a certain point, nope. So we let Turkey run amok, we watched as Isis prisoners are set free, we watched as the Kurds and their families who fought hard for us are killed without support from us and now Syria and Russia are entering the fray.
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I’m just very relieved no Americans were killed.
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[scottw]

sounds like NATO has it under control...



Jens Stoltenberg, NATO Secretary General:

"We also discussed the situation in Syria. Our ally Turkey is at the forefront of the crisis and has legitimate security concerns. It has suffered horrendous terrorist attacks and it hosts millions of Syrian refugees. NATO has been informed by Turkish authorities about the ongoing operation in northern Syria. It is important to avoid actions that may further destabilise the region, escalate tensions and cause more human suffering."

"I count on Turkey to act with restraint and ensure that any action it may take in northern Syria is proportionate and measured. We must not jeopardise the gains we have made together against our common enemy ISIS. Because ISIS continues to pose a grave threat to the Middle East and North Africa and to all our nations. I will discuss this issue with President Erdogan in Istanbul on Friday."

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It took forever, read till Trump, but Russia got the nukes out of Turkey.
Putin’s Puppet is paying his tab
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The tactical significance of those B61s at Incrilik is minimal (if there is such a think as a tactical nuke). Frankly they should have been removed a decade ago and never should have stayed past the false Coup.

[Pete F.]

BREAKING — Putin, Erdogan discuss the need to prevent armed clashes between Turkey and Syrian regime in a phone call: Kremlin

• Putin invited Erdogan for a working visit in coming days. Erdogan accepted it

[Pete F.]

Erdogan says come kiss my göt, amcık

Following his speech to parliament Turkey's President Erdogan told
Alex Crawford he would not meet Pompeo, Pence and O'Brien in Ankara.
Erdoğan said his counterpart is President Trump.

The president of Turkey SUMMONING the president of the United States.

The art of the deal...priceless.

[JohnR]

Erdogan is not our friend.

But clearly I can see Obama telling Erdogan to back off and Erdogan shouting "How High, Sir".

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Erdogan is not our friend.

But clearly I can see Obama telling Erdogan to back off and Erdogan shouting "How High, Sir".

You are 1000 days too late to worry about the former President, the white house has a new occupant.

[Pete F.]

Putin's Puppet dancing at the end of his strings again.

And if you, like the Stable Genius, don't think ISIS is a problem because they are 7000 miles away, so was Osama Bin Laden.

As Pence and Pompeo try to rewrite history now and claim there was no green light, you should ask yourself why the US sided with Russia against 5 of our NATO allies to block this UN statement denouncing the Turkish attacks on our FORMER Kurdish allies.


EU diplomats stood alone against the US and Russia on Syria at the UN on Thursday (10 October), painting a bleak picture of transatlantic relations.

EU envoys to the UN Security Council (UNSC), from Belgium, Estonia, France, Germany, Poland, and the UK spoke to press in New York after the US and Russia blocked an EU-drafted UN resolution on the conflict.

The German ambassador, Jurgen Schulz, read out the EU statement anyway.

"We call upon Turkey to cease the unilateral military action," Schulz said, as the Turkish military bombarded Kurdish positions in northern Syria and Kurdish artillery fired on Turkish towns on the other side of the border.

The Turkish offensive would create "fertile ground for the resurgence of Da'esh" in a "significant threat to regional, international, and European security", Schulz added, referring to an Islamist militant group that is also known as Isis.

It would "exacerbate civilian suffering and provoke further displacements which will further increase the number of refugees," Schulz said.

The call was echoed in Paris, where French president Emmanuel Macron said Turkey was "putting millions of people at humanitarian risk", and in Rome, where Italian foreign minister Luigi Di Maio "condemned" Turkey's actions.

But back in New York, the US ambassador to the UN, Kelly Craft, and the Russian envoy, Vassily Nebenzia, took a different line.

The US did not ask Turkey to stop, although Craft did say, in her own press briefing, that: "Failure [by Turkey] to play by the rules, to protect vulnerable populations, failure to guarantee that Isis cannot exploit these actions to reconstitute, will have consequences".

[Sea Dangles]

This man is clearly such a great leader that he will be re-elected in a LANDSLIDE. Upsetting foolish liberals who doth protest.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

This man is clearly such a great leader that he will be re-elected in a LANDSLIDE. Upsetting foolish liberals who doth protest.
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I think he’s got this all fixed.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/don...dR5dFpvJ_7AorY
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[Sea Dangles]

We will see but I will caution rushing to judgment.
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

This man is clearly such a great leader that he will be re-elected in a LANDSLIDE. Upsetting foolish liberals who doth protest.
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I wouldn’t double your bet just yet and you man Trumps letter to Turkey should tell you something about his lack of diplomacy skills, probably should have sent it after milk and cookie time was over.
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[Pete F.]

Give Trump some more Adderall
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[Pete F.]

What does it mean that the FBI reportedly has a counterintelligence investigation on Giuliani? First and foremost, it means that the FBI believes he may pose a national security threat to the United States.
CI investigations aren’t predicated on a suspicion that someone has broken the law. Rather, they typically begin because some has had contact with people linked to foreign intelligence and/or is furthering the interests of a foreign power in the U.S.
Sometimes people may be targeted unwittingly. For this reason, and bc CI investigations have broader threshold to open (and are secret), they have to be closed after 6 months if no actual threat exists or it can be neutralized in that time.
Based on reports that the FBI was questioning people about Giuliano’s counterintelligence related issues as far back as Feb/Mar, an ongoing investigation would mean that this is a “Full” rather than “Preliminary” Investigation (former can be open indefinitely)
Given that Giuliani is an USPER, the bar to have a Full Investigation on him would be higher than for nonUSPERs. Also, in my experience, people who are being “unwittingly” targeted are neutralized pretty quickly (usually with a warning/heads up that they are targets)
(I should also note that the bar would be especially high since Giuliani is POTUS’ lawyer and, well...honestly wth would the FBI go through this movie all over again if there not some serious red flags???)
So basically, the FBI thinks something bad — and likely not “unwitting” — is up: That Giuliani is a conduit for pushing the agendas of foreign intelligence and/or foreign interests. Which we really don’t want happening, especially in the Oval Office
A couple of things: First, a CI investigation is not mutually exclusive with a criminal investigation. They can happen on different tracks. Given that SDNY has public corruption unit involved, there appears to be a separate criminal investigation on G as well
Second, there can be criminal violations on the CI side: Those are espionage (not likely here) or FARA violations (more likely, given what G’s associates were up to). But CI investigations don’t have to — and often don’t — result in criminal prosecutions
And bc CI cases don’t often cross over into criminal prosecutions, they would stay within FBI, and not bleed into SDNY unless and until that happened. (It’s not clear to me how much Main Justice would be involved, and how much power Barr would have over it)
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[Pete F.]

Just keep believing there’s nothing to see here
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[Sea Dangles]

Pete,you have a tendency to post a lot of words that don’t amount to a hill of beans.
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[Got Stripers]

I think the clown car should be ungraded to a buss🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

I think the clown car should be ungraded to a buss🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Meanwhile there are clowns who know how to spell bus.🙄
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[Pete F.]

I just read the “letter”
Good luck fools
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[Sea Dangles]

Ha,you just got played again.
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[Pete F.]

Perhaps you’ve missed the letter from the Stable Genius to Erdogan

Dear Mr. President,

Let’s work out a good deal! You don’t want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people, and I don’t want to be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy—and I will. I’ve already given you a little sample with respect to Pastor Brunson.
I have worked hard to solve some of your problems. Don’t let the world down. You can make a great deal. General Mazloum is willing to negotiate with you, and he is willing to make concessions that they would never have made in the past. I am confidentially enclosing a copy of his letter to me, just received.

History will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don’t happen. Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool!
I will call you later.
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[Pete F.]

Mitt Romney
Iran’s power position has significantly increased with Turkey wiping out our friends, the Kurds, in Syria. Because the U.S. is abandoning its position in Syria, Assad is becoming stronger, and Iran is smiling ear to ear. This is a foreign policy disaster.
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[Pete F.]

Will Hurd
Because of this disastrous decision to pull U.S. troops from northern Syria and abandon the Kurds, and all the actions and inactions that led up to this decision, we have let our friends down, hurt our national security and ceded leadership in the region to Russia and Iran.
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[Sea Dangles]

End endless wars. Keep the troops safe.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

End endless wars. Keep the troops safe.
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Yea, and counterinsurgency operations. Make ISIS great again!

[spence]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Perhaps you’ve missed the letter from the Stable Genius to Erdogan

Dear Mr. President,

Let’s work out a good deal! You don’t want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people, and I don’t want to be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy—and I will. I’ve already given you a little sample with respect to Pastor Brunson.
I have worked hard to solve some of your problems. Don’t let the world down. You can make a great deal. General Mazloum is willing to negotiate with you, and he is willing to make concessions that they would never have made in the past. I am confidentially enclosing a copy of his letter to me, just received.

History will look upon you favorably if you get this done the right and humane way. It will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don’t happen. Don’t be a tough guy. Don’t be a fool!
I will call you later.
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Should post Trump's remarks from yesterday. He's lost what little he had left. It's like he's channeling Beetlejuice.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You are 1000 days too late to worry about the former President, the white house has a new occupant.

You are too biased to care or recognize that this is what Putin does. He outmaneuvered Trump in Syria just as he outmaneuvered Obama.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

You are too biased to care or recognize that this is what Putin does. He outmaneuvered Trump in Syria just as he outmaneuvered Obama.

Exactly why a president who doesn’t have capable staff and doesn’t use all the information he is given fails.
Your gut works fine after it has digested all the available information with only echo chambers you’re guessing
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Exactly why a president who doesn’t have capable staff and doesn’t use all the information he is given fails.
Your gut works fine after it has digested all the available information with only echo chambers you’re guessing
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Are you talking about Trump or Obama? I can't tell.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Are you talking about Trump or Obama? I can't tell.

Since Obama is now part of history, Trump is the only one who can act today.
Do you think trump’s actions were part of an administration plan?
Or an impulsive behavior that he justifies by saying he promised to do that and he’s a Promise Keeper.
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