Johns Hopkins University says US was most prepared country in world for pandemic

[Jim in CT]

what do those idiots at Johns Hopkins know?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-...-found-in-2019

[Nebe]

Imagine how more we would have been prepared if trump didn’t can the whole pandemic response team.
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Imagine how more we would have been prepared if trump didn’t can the whole pandemic response team.
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Better than 1st in the world?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Imagine how more we would have been prepared if trump didn’t can the whole pandemic response team.
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i think that was debunked by people at the CDC?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

what do those idiots at Johns Hopkins know?

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-...-found-in-2019

what's your point ? so how has South Korea have 11,206 infections
and 267 deaths and taiwan have only 441 cases and 7 deaths

But the US United States 1.68 million 98,035 deaths


maybe its because of events like this ? this weekend in missouri the show me state

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

what's your point ? so how has South Korea have 11,206 infections
and 267 deaths and taiwan have only 441 cases and 7 deaths

But the US United States 1.68 million 98,035 deaths


maybe its because of events like this ? this weekend in missouri the show me state

they took drastic steps in december. if you recall, trump did one thing in january, and the left attacked him for over reacting. so please show me any evidence that any sane person would believe, that the left would have tolerated more drastic steps back then?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

they took drastic steps in december. if you recall, trump did one thing in january, and the left attacked him for over reacting. so please show me any evidence that any sane person would believe, that the left would have tolerated more drastic steps back then?
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So you admit he failed
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So you admit he failed
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i admit that your side said then, that he was overreacting. is that true, or is that false?

see, i put you in a box. because if you say it’s false, you’re lying. if
you admit it’s true, you’re admitting that back then, there was no urgency or will
to do more.

with the benefit of hindsight, he should have tried to do more. the left would t have tolerated it.

anyway, i’d live to see your answer to my true false question?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i admit that your side said then, that he was overreacting. is that true, or is that false?

see, i put you in a box. because if you say it’s false, you’re lying. if
you admit it’s true, you’re admitting that back then, there was no urgency or will
to do more.

with the benefit of hindsight, he should have tried to do more. the left would t have tolerated it.

anyway, i’d live to see your answer to my true false question?
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admit it’s true, you’re admitting that back then, there was no urgency or will
to do more.

Your correct that's what Trump chose to do ... you can scream and yell what others said .. and no of that changes who was is charge who had the power to do more or do more with more urgency Trump sat on his hands ..

He only supports opening churches when his administration decides it's ok and anyone still doing it are attacking freedoms same with liberate Michigan..

Now it's with NC and the Convention he wants 100% attendance

[Sea Dangles]

It’s just information Wayne.
And you like to stay informed given the proper information.
What is your point?

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

It’s just information Wayne.
And you like to stay informed given the proper information.
What is your point?

its like being prepared to go Tuna fishing you have everything lined up

ready to go your the most prepared boat in the fleet

But you never leave the dock or leave late and miss the bite (Trump) ,,


being the most prepared becomes irrelevant

[Got Stripers]

Wayne that might be to simple for SD to get. Pretty grim death toll for the most prepared country, leadership and action always determine the outcome of any war and early action in any conflict often determines the course of the war and its length. Trumps leadership has been pathetic and as he pushes to get things reopened knowing if he doesn’t his chances in November diminish, the war and death tolls are far from over. He is no commander and chief, he is just a child poser.

[Sea Dangles]

Don’t despair

[spence]

Jim’s been shown wrong on this topic so many times I’m not sure which side he’s on.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Jim’s been shown wrong on this topic so many times I’m not sure which side he’s on.
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the democrats and media didn’t say trump overreacted, and that the virus didn’t justify a drastic response? Did Pelosi and DiBlasio tell their constituents in late february that it was safe to go out in crowded public places? or am i making that up?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the democrats and media didn’t say trump overreacted, and that the virus didn’t justify a drastic response? Did Pelosi and DiBlasio tell their constituents in late february that it was safe to go out in crowded public places? or am i making that up?
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Ask yourself the important question, who is caption of the ship, if he steered the ship on the right course we collectively would not have run aground on the ledge. The caption owns it regardless of what others around him say or do, but you keep harping on it like it changes anything.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Ask yourself the important question, who is caption of the ship, if he steered the ship on the right course we collectively would not have run aground on the ledge. The caption owns it regardless of what others around him say or do, but you keep harping on it like it changes anything.

The ship metaphor doesn't work for our constitutional system of government.

Our country is not like a ship. More like a bunch of different boats, ships, planes, cars, pedestrians, and infinitely more.

The President does not have the nearly absolute power of a ship's captain.

The citizens are not all riding the same vehicle, nor heading for the same destination, nor working in unison for the same objective, nor in support of the President.

Not only are the citizens destinations, beliefs, philosophies, desires, opinions, not the same, they conflict, oppose, fight, seek to change leaderships and directions, and do whatever is necessary to defeat leaders, including the President, including to lie about anything he does or says.

China is much more like a ship than is the U.S.

As an opponent of the President, you can say that nothing he does is right, all that you claim is wrong is due to him and he owns it, and he doesn't own all that may be going well because it is due to his predecessor who still owns it even though he is no longer the captain.

[Got Stripers]

Actually it works just fine, leaders lead by example and his example, inaction, constant downplay, questioning the medical experts, to the refusal to wear a mask has cost more lives than have been taken by terrorists is this country. He loves big numbers, that’s not one he or you should be proud of. Carry on, back to fishing and golf.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Ask yourself the important question, who is caption of the ship, if he steered the ship on the right course we collectively would not have run aground on the ledge. The caption owns it regardless of what others around him say or do, but you keep harping on it like it changes anything.

you are 100% correct, trump
owns the results. absolutely.

any chance you can show me the same courtesy, and answer my question? here goes...

we know that biden attacked trump for the january travel restrictions. he said trump
was fear mongering, which necessarily means that biden thought the travel ban was an unnecessary reaction ( he also called it bigoted, but let’s ignore that for now).

Biden didnt suggest doing anything differently. he just criticized what trump did.

so what reason is there for
any sane person to believe, that we’d be better off right now if biden was president?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Ask yourself the important question, who is caption of the ship

is this a trick question?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

the democrats and media didn’t say trump overreacted, and that the virus didn’t justify a drastic response? Did Pelosi and DiBlasio tell their constituents in late february that it was safe to go out in crowded public places? or am i making that up?
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spence you ran away instead of answering. probably hiding under your bed clutching your obama poster. how about answering?
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[Pete F.]

Being prepared does not equate to the best response and in this case it certainly did not.

All states faced the same essential threat from this virus, and each government’s response is a kind of laboratory experiment.

The United States had the advantage of being struck late by the virus, and this gave us a priceless chance to copy best practices and avoid the mistakes of others.

Tweety #^&#^&#^&#^&ed it up. The previous administrations had developed a playbook for pandemic response that drew in part on lessons from other countries’ experiences, but the Tweety administration disregarded it. When China began confining millions of people to their homes in January, Tweety should have gotten the message.
We lost six weeks in the United States to prepare, to build ventilators, get PPE, organize our ICUs, get tests ready, prepare the public for what was going to happen so that our economy didn’t tank as badly. None of this was pushed by Tweety's administration. He publicly insisted it was no problem.

By one estimate, from the epidemiologists Britta L. Jewell and Nicholas P. Jewell, if social-distancing policies had been implemented just two weeks earlier in March, 90 percent of the cumulative coronavirus deaths in the United States during the first wave of the pandemic might have been prevented.
Just imagine what bad things would have happened if Tweety's pressers in the Rose Garden had from the start, adopted social distancing and masks.
The wimp is still too vain and weak to wear a mask.

Rather than using tests that the WHO had distributed, Tweety's CDC insisted on developing its own, only to botch it.
Nations such as South Korea and Taiwan raced ahead of the U.S. in their efforts to contain the outbreak and they did not have the pole position at the start of the race.

As a number of countries planned and prepared for economic recovery, the United States has spent lockdown treading water. It has yet to roll out robust testing across the country, despite Tweety’s assertions since March that anybody who wants a test can get one. It has also failed to develop contact-tracing systems, as other nations have, and to flatten the curve outside the New York metro region.

Tweety's an incompetent clown.

[PaulS]

Don't worry, Trump chipped in from the bunker on 12 yesterday. If you're feeling ill just as your Dr. for some Hydrochlorine. All is good.

[Pete F.]

Trump 1/27
"We are in very close communication with China concerning the virus. Very few cases reported in USA, but strongly on watch. We have offered China and President Xi any help that is necessary. Our experts are extraordinary!"

Source: Donald Trump, Twitter.com, Jan. 27, 2020

Biden 1/27
[President Trump is] "the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health challenge... The outbreak of a new coronavirus, which has already infected more than 2,700 people and killed over 80 in China, will get worse before it gets better. Cases have been confirmed in a dozen countries, with at least five in the United States. There will likely be more."

Source: Joe Biden, "Trump Is Worst Possible Leader to Deal with Coronavirus Outbreak," usatoday.com, Jan. 27, 2020


Biden Campaign event in Iowa: 1/31

"We have, right now, a crisis with the coronavirus. This is no time for Donald Trump's record of hysteria and xenophobia - hysterical xenophobia - and fearmongering to lead the way instead of science."

Source: Trevor Hunnicutt, "Biden Slams Trump for Cutting Health Programs before Coronavirus Outbreak," reuters.com, Jan. 31, 2020

First identified tweet about coronavirus by Joe Biden:

"We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump's record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency."

Source: Joe Biden, Twitter.com, Feb. 1, 2020

Trump 2/3
Proclamation of travel ban on China effective Feb. 2:

"The entry into the United States, as immigrants or nonimmigrants, of all aliens who were physically present within the People's Republic of China, excluding the Special Administrative Regions of Hong Kong and Macau, during the 14-day period preceding their entry or attempted entry into the United States is hereby suspended."

Interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News:

"I think the 3.4 percent [global death rate] is really a false number... So, if we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work -- some of them go to work, but they get better...But again, they don't know about the easy cases, because the easy cases don't go to the hospital...It's not that severe."

Source: Factbase, "Interview: Sean Hannity Interviews Donald Trump Via Telephone - March 4, 2020," factba.se, Mar. 4, 2020

Twitter:

"I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work. This is just more Fake News and disinformation put out by the Democrats, in particular MSDNC. Comcast covers the CoronaVirus situation horribly, only looking to do harm to the incredible & successful effort being made!"

Source: Donald Trump, Twitter.com, Mar. 5, 2020

[Nebe]

Seeing as how Wuhan welded housing complex’s gates closed so no one could leave home for 2 weeks, I’d say China was the most prepared.
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[Sea Dangles]

Not a lot of voters who are proud of Sleepy Joe right now. That is something that we can agree on.

[Sea Dangles]

He should pedal his lies elsewhere
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

He should pedal his lies elsewhere
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No my metaphor was my opinion expressed in a way you could relate or bitch as the case may be and it fit perfectly. A lie is what comes out of Trumps mouth every day, opinion is one thing, Trump purposely lies and distorts facts it has been his MO forever. Jim gets his needle so stock on one point I find it far more amusing to watch him throw a tantrum and bitch about why I won’t comment on his January historic events; to comment would stop my fun.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

No my metaphor was my opinion expressed in a way you could relate or bitch as the case may be and it fit perfectly. A lie is what comes out of Trumps mouth every day, opinion is one thing, Trump purposely lies and distorts facts it has been his MO forever. Jim gets his needle so stock on one point I find it far more amusing to watch him throw a tantrum and bitch about why I won’t comment on his January historic events; to comment would stop my fun.

sounds pretty evil...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Jim gets his needle so stock on one point I find it far more amusing disconcerting to watch him throw a tantrum back me into a corner and bitch about why I won’t comment point out my naked hypocrisy on his January late February historic events; to comment would stop my fun public humiliation.

Fixed it for you.

Youre criticizing things Trump did/didn't do in December and late January, but it's not legitimate to criticize Pelosi or Diblasio for what they did in late February. How in Gods name does that make any sense, except to a blind ideologue who can't do anything that goes against the orangemanbad theme?