The party of voter suppression

[wdmso]

Republicans Seek To Toss Out 127,000 Ballots In Democratic-Leaning Texas County


So let's get this straight. Reublicans want to punish 127 thousands voters for following instructions. And they just happen to be democrats 2 days before an election ..

I guess this is the new America

[wdmso]

Texas Supreme Court rejects Republican-led effort to throw out nearly 127,000 Harris County votes


Amazing that it even needed to be rejected. Never mind even being considered by Republicans

[Pete F.]

Covita and his apparatchiks like Jason Miller aren’t uninformed about how votes are cast, or confused about how long it takes to count them. They know what they’re doing. They’ve given up trying to win the election. They’re trying to lay the groundwork for stealing it.
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[wdmso]

Pennsylvania Republicans sue to allow poll watchers to cross county lines

Pennsylvania Republicans have filed a lawsuit, arguing that their activists have First and 14th Amendment rights to watch polls anywhere.


they can have poll watchers the state law requires them to be from the county of the pole they want to watch ?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

law requires them to be from the county of the pole they want to watch ?

poll, not pole. simple
mistake, you’ve probably been watching too much of Kamela Harris, so you have “pole” on the brain.

you’re probably gonna have a good day.
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[wdmso]

Trump campaign senior adviser Jason Miller falsely claimed on Sunday that Democrats would try to "steal" electoral votes after election night if President Trump appears to be ahead,

So now counting all the ballots is Stealing ???

[scottw]

rut roh.....

"as Democratic former Vice President Joe Biden has faded"....Des Moines Register

look on the bright side...he is inventing some new words ....

I don't know....could go either way but seems like some panic on the left and lots of enthusiasm and confidence on the right....those trump trains look like fun

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

rut roh.....

"as Democratic former Vice President Joe Biden has faded"....Des Moines Register

look on the bright side...he is inventing some new words ....

I don't know....could go either way but seems like some panic on the left and lots of enthusiasm and confidence on the right....those trump trains look like fun

Was he going to win iowa or since when does biden needs iowa to win?

So Suggestion of fraud is the right showing enthusiasm and confidence .
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Was he going to win iowa or since when does biden needs iowa to win?


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I think he was leading there till a couple days ago and....trump surging there could also indicate trump surging in neighboring states...i wouldn't worry though...biden is WAAAAY up according to the experts

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

I think he was leading there till a couple days ago and....trump surging there could also indicate trump surging in neighboring states...i wouldn't worry though...biden is WAAAAY up according to the experts

I think a few polls had them tied in Iowa at one point but few expect Biden to win, Trump's simply bribed farmers with tens of billions of dollars.

You're usually an irrational snide drama queen but it seems to be getting worse.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

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So Suggestion of fraud.....

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it's smart to keep a close eye on the democrats...they are pretty desperate and a little unhinged

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

since when does biden needs iowa to win?

Campaign advice from Hillary?

[wdmso]

President Trump is doubling down on claims that the results of the presidential election must be known on election night, falsely asserting "that's the way it's been and that's the way it should be."
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[scottw]

biden sounds especially cranky today...maybe he didn't get his nappy time

[Pete F.]

Distracted by Detbuch’s claim that Covita was unfairly impeached
Back to voter suppression
1. Ohio SOS Frank LaRose opposing drop boxes while claiming his hands were tied.
2. TX Gov. Abbott reversing on boxes.
3. Pa. legislators and North Carolina legislators going all the way to the Supreme Court to try to stop extension of receipt of mail-in ballots mailed by election day.
4. Alabama SOS Merrill fighting against allowing counties to offer curbside voting for immunocompromised voters
5. South Carolina not challenging judicial elimination of witness signature during primaries, but challenging (all the way to the Supreme Court) same rule applied in general election; and doing so after instructions told voters no signature needed
6. Wisconsin Republican legislators refusing to postpone April primary election in the height of the pandemic, going all the way to state AND U.S. Supreme Court, and fighting extension of ballot receipt deadline in general election all the way to SCOTUS.
7. RNC and allies seeking to stop sending ballots to all active registered voters in CA, NJ, NV, and some Montana counties.
8. Leonard Leo-backed "Honest Elections Project" fighting against counting of ballots arriving after election day in MN, and getting 8th Circuit to consider
9. Republican legislator and candidate filing last minute case in federal and state court seeking to disenfranchise 120,000 voters using drive-thru voting in Harris County, TX that is allowed by state law.
10. Republican legislators in PA and WI (and to some extent MI) refusing to allow pre-canvassing of mail in ballots (as allowed in places like FL and UT) in the hopes it would give Trump an ephemeral chance to be in the lead.
11. The Oklahoma legislature's reenactment of a notarization requirement for absentee balloting after the state Supreme Court threw it out in light of COVID.
12. Georgia SOS and election officials going to the 11th circuit to reverse a district court order that would have required paper backup of voter registration information for use in polling places in case electronic system goes down AGAIN.
13. Five Republican-dominated states, including TX and Indiana, that refused, even after being sued, to allowing people to vote by mail if they lack immunity to COVID. Texas litigating in US and state Supreme Court to say lack of immunity is not a "disability" or discrimination.
14. Florida officials also fighting the expansion of drop boxes even in the midst of a pandemic and in the middle of a USPS crisis in mail delivery that doubtlessly will disenfranchise thousands of voters who mailed their ballots at least a week before election day.
15. Lawsuits in PA, MN, TX and likely elsewhere seeking to block ballots using a doctrine never accepted by a Supreme Court majority about a kind of unlimited power of state legislatures to set voting rules to exclusion of state courts and state and local election administrators.
16. Lawsuits across the country, one even going all the way to Supreme Court, seeking to block charitable contributions from Zuckerberg foundation to defray cost of running election during pandemic; after Congress allocated only 1/10 of needed funds when Senate Rs blocked.
"The Trump campaign and Republican entities engaged in more than 40 voting and ballot court cases around the country this year. In exactly none — zero — are they trying to make it easier for citizens to vote."--GOP election attorney Ben Ginsberg
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

And with your viewpoint he is titular at best, with no responsibility and yet as a unitary president possessing tremendous powers.

It is not my viewpoint that the President is titular at best.

It is not my viewpoint that the President has no responsibility.

As for "a unitary president", we do have, per the Constitution, one President at a time. And he has limited constitutional powers.

It is you that seems to have the Progressive viewpoint that the President has tremendous powers outside of constitutional limitations.

We do have these Progressive regulatory agencies which have unconstitutional plenary legislative, executive, and judicial powers. I may be wrong, but you seem to favor them. In which case, I would think that you would want them to continuously carry out their missions without constant supervision and command.

As for the load of words that follow your above statement, they are not worth my spending any time dissecting. They amount to a narrative that can lead to different opinions and conjectures. Your implication has not been verified.

And I didn't mention Trump's impeachment. You keep making stuff up.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

It is not my viewpoint that the President is titular at best.

It is not my viewpoint that the President has no responsibility.

As for "a unitary president", we do have, per the Constitution, one President at a time. And he has limited constitutional powers. You better tell Barr, because he believes in the unitary executive and the man he works for using that theory in his administration.

It is you that seems to have the Progressive viewpoint that the President has tremendous powers outside of constitutional limitations.

We do have these Progressive regulatory agencies which have unconstitutional plenary legislative, executive, and judicial powers. SCOTUS disagrees Wiener v. United States, 357 U.S. 349 (1958); Humphrey’s Executor
v. United States, 295 U.S. 602 (1935). I may be wrong, but you seem to favor them. In which case, I would think that you would want them to continuously carry out their missions without constant supervision and command. Unless prohibited by Congress in their authorization, the President has the power to act with regards to Federal Agencies

As for the load of words that follow your above statement, they are not worth my spending any time dissecting. They amount to a narrative that can lead to different opinions and conjectures. Your implication has not been verified.

And I didn't mention Trump's impeachment. You keep making stuff up.

Perhaps I misunderstood and you are claiming that agencies used some other method to remove a duly elected President in this statement? "They even undermine our own democracy, for instance, by attempting to remove a duly elected President."

But currently the Covita campaign is looking at what's happening and trying to decide who's fault this is:

"If there was a flaw in our strategy, it was probably that we forgot that women had the vote."

"If there was a flaw in our strategy, it was letting our campaign staff steal all the money instead of using it for campaign purposes."

"If there was a flaw in our strategy, it was killing the voters."

“If there was a flaw in our strategy it was thinking that we could use a four-year-old platform and sell it as something new.”

"If there was a flaw in our campaign strategy, it was probably the decision to make our Number One issue the unfairness of cable TV to the president, instead of anything any voter actually cared about."

"If there was a flaw in our campaign strategy, it was nominating and re-nominating a malignant narcissist in thrall to foreign powers with zero care or concern for anything other than grabbing as much of other people's money as he could lay his hands on."

“If there was a flaw in our strategy it was thinking that we actually COULD fool all of the people, all of the time.”

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As for "a unitary president", we do have, per the Constitution, one President at a time. And he has limited constitutional powers.

You better tell Barr, because he believes in the unitary executive and the man he works for using that theory in his administration.

Yes, well Madison and Hamilton believed it was better to have a "unitary President" (one executive rather than multiple executives) so that is what was decided and we have one President not two or more. It is you that seems to have the Progressive viewpoint that the President has tremendous powers outside of constitutional limitations.

We do have these Progressive regulatory agencies which have unconstitutional plenary legislative, executive, and judicial powers.

SCOTUS disagrees Wiener v. United States, 357 U.S. 349 (1958); Humphrey’s Executor
v. United States, 295 U.S. 602 (1935).

I don't see the disagreement. I didn't say that their powers could not be challenged by Congress or the Court. Generally, the Court defers to agency expertise. So it is difficult to overrule an agency decision. It has occasionally been done. But in Humphrey the President's power of removal from the agency was struck down.

I may be wrong, but you seem to favor them. In which case, I would think that you would want them to continuously carry out their missions without constant supervision and command.

Unless prohibited by Congress in their authorization, the President has the power to act with regards to Federal Agencies

That is a huge "Unless". Even so, the agencies pretty much act on their own. Most of their work is ongoing and too much for a President to minutely oversee and command. And even when there is a Presidential order that is unpopular or deemed wrong or politically opposed by those in the agency, there is often, pushback and even quiet sabotage.

Perhaps I misunderstood and you are claiming that agencies used some other method to remove a duly elected President in this statement? "They even undermine our own democracy, for instance, by attempting to remove a duly elected President."

The elaborate creation of a narrative to frame Trump is what I referred to as an example of undermining our "democracy."
The CIA and FBI don't have the power to impeach--granted that impeachment could be one of the ways the President would be removed.

But currently the Covita campaign is looking at what's happening and trying to decide who's fault this is:

What does that matter at this point?

[Pete F.]

It’s all part of the political game, remember even Trump is worse off today than he was 4 years ago
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

It’s all part of the political game, remember even Trump is worse off today than he was 4 years ago
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He's way better off than he was a month ago when he contracted covid. Thanks to his Operation Warp Speed.

[wdmso]

Trump called the election "a fraud on the American public" and said, "Frankly, we did win this election." He also said he planned to take the battle to the U.S. Supreme Court but did not explain what he meant.


this-is the main reason I have no understanding how anyone could vote for this Guy .. he isn't out the race . and still spews this nonsense

he cant even take responsibility if he wins it will be because of litigation or fraud if he losses ... ??

[Jim in CT]

i wish trump would shut his mouth. but when the attorney general of PA says the day before the election that Trump
will lose there, obviously Trump has cause for some concern.
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[scottw]

this should make the portland riots more fun

Oregon Voters Decriminalize Possession of Hard Drugs, Including Heroin, Cocaine, and Meth

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

this should make the portland riots more fun

Oregon Voters Decriminalize Possession of Hard Drugs, Including Heroin, Cocaine, and Meth

5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results
Street drug–related deaths from overdoses drop and the rate of HIV cases crashes

so its been done I think not 100% that drug dealers still go to prison

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

5 Years After: Portugal's Drug Decriminalization Policy Shows Positive Results
Street drug–related deaths from overdoses drop and the rate of HIV cases crashes

so its been done I think not 100% that drug dealers still go to prison

don't you accuse of others of "needles in haystacks"?(some irony there)

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

don't you accuse of others of "needles in haystacks"?(some irony there)

My needle has a history a track record to actually look at .. not some youtube blogger no one ever heard of..


it illegal and still people use making it legal isn't going to change that

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i wish trump would shut his mouth. but when the attorney general of PA says the day before the election that Trump
will lose there, obviously Trump has cause for some concern.
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not sure How he has no say in the vote count , not sure how you see he statement's as a bigger concern. than the POTUS

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

not sure How he has no say in the vote count , not sure how you see he statement's as a bigger concern. than the POTUS

wdmso, are you going to say with a straight face, that mail in ballots aren’t more ripe for fraud?

i see trunks statement as a big concern, one of the worst things he’s said in the last 4 years.

but my wife voted early, and when i checked in yesterday in person, her name wasn’t crossed off. so i asked the volunteer if she was eligible to vote again, and they said yes. she didn’t, but she could have.

with this much at stake, either side is capable of kicking the ball onto the fairway.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wdmso, are you going to say with a straight face, that mail in ballots aren’t more ripe for fraud? No they are not another statement minus supporting evidence

i see trunks statement as a big concern, one of the worst things he’s said in the last 4 years. Figures

but my wife voted early, and when i checked in yesterday in person, her name wasn’t crossed off. so i asked the volunteer if she was eligible to vote again, and they said yes. she didn’t, but she could have. With a provisional ballot

with this much at stake, either side is capable of kicking the ball onto the fairway.
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Rockhound said it in another thread spot on. Stop counting everywhere , keep counting in Arizona. That sums him up completely

[wdmso]

International Election Observers Say Trump Harms Public Trust In Vote

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