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Old 03-28-2020, 09:34 PM   #1
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Justify this

Honest question: Why would Trump float a tri-state quarantine, cause panic & confusion in those states, and then announce he’s not doing it?
In the face of the biggest national crisis in decades, what is the strategy in that?

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Old 03-28-2020, 09:35 PM   #2
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He learned it by being a game show host, I’m surprised we didn’t have a special episode for the reveal.
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Old 03-29-2020, 07:32 AM   #3
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It’s just another case of the most transparent president in history thinking out loud. He has big shoulders. America 1st.
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Fear = control.
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Also.. the number one negotiation tactic is to ask for far more than you really want so you can negotiate away things to get you exactly where you need to be and let the other party walk away feeling like they won something.
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Don’t let the media scare you.
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it's fun to watch their twisted little minds at work each day
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BC he isn't prepared, lacks critical thinking, bases his opinion on who he hears last, is not disciplined enough to stick to the script and doesn't understand that his words matter
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Old 03-29-2020, 10:18 AM   #9
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BC he isn't prepared, lacks critical thinking, bases his opinion on who he hears last, is not disciplined enough to stick to the script and doesn't understand that his words matter
do results matter more than words, for an executive?
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do results matter more than words, for an executive?
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yes I could totally overlooked his words if we had good results but he made things worse with his constant lying down playing the playing virus. And then his administration screwed up the tests. How many lies did the incompetence of this Administration cost
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yes I could totally overlooked his words if we had good results but he made things worse with his constant lying down playing the playing virus. And then his administration screwed up the tests. How many lies did the incompetence of this Administration cost
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right, downplaying. he restricted travel from
china on day one and was called a xenophobe and a dictator for doing so.

so back then, he did too much. now, he didn’t do enough. it would
be nice if the tds wing could
at least get their stories straight.

it doesn’t matter what he does, you all spin it as ineffective and evil.

60% of americans approve of the way he's handling it.
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right, downplaying. he restricted travel from
china on day one and was called a xenophobe and a dictator for doing so.

so back then, he did too much. now, he didn’t do enough. it would
be nice if the tds wing could
at least get their stories straight.

it doesn’t matter what he does, you all spin it as ineffective and evil.

60% of americans approve of the way he's handling it.
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President Trump says that Democrats are using the virulent coronavirus as a “hoax” to damage him and his administration.
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right, downplaying. he restricted travel from
china on day one and was called a xenophobe and a dictator for doing so.

so back then, he did too much. now, he didn’t do enough. it would
be nice if the tds wing could
at least get their stories straight.

it doesn’t matter what he does, you all spin it as ineffective and evil.

60% of americans approve of the way he's handling it.
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A good article how they screwed up the testing.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/28/u...-pandemic.html
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right, downplaying. he restricted travel from
china on day one and was called a xenophobe and a dictator for doing so.

so back then, he did too much. now, he didn’t do enough. it would
be nice if the tds wing could
at least get their stories straight.

it doesn’t matter what he does, you all spin it as ineffective and evil.

60% of americans approve of the way he's handling it.
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Boy you are so stuck on the one thing Trump did, but completely ignoring the multiple mistakes following and the terrible messaging that still has people thinking this is all media driven.
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Honest question: Why would Trump float a tri-state quarantine, cause panic & confusion in those states, and then announce he’s not doing it?
In the face of the biggest national crisis in decades, what is the strategy in that?
appears as though you and president Cuomo overreacted....just listened to our Gina very politely but firmly spank president Cuomo and send him to the corner for a timeout....
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Bet that Ezpass could track the surge in traffic after he blurted that
The team covered for him again
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Lots of gibberish from Jeff the daydrinker today.👍🏿
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Guys, please, you’re hurting me.
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I actually checked three times to make sure this wasn’t one of those parody Trump accounts before posting this. It’s hard to believe that given all that is going on ratings are still job #1 for him. Only the favorable parts are included by Trump* The red is what was skipped in those paragraphs, the blue is where they skipped the body of the article.

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“President Trump is a ratings hit,and some journalists and public health experts say that could be a dangerous thing. Since reviving the daily White House briefing— a practice abandoned last year by an administration that bristles at outside scrutiny — Mr. Trump and his coronavirus updates have attracted an average audience of 8.5 million on cable news, roughly the viewership of the season finale of ‘The Bachelor.’ And the Numbers are continuing to rise..., driven by intense concern about the virus and the housebound status of millions of Americans who are practicing social distancing.
...On Monday, nearly 12.2 million people watched Mr. Trump’s briefing on CNN, Fox News and MSNBC, according to Nielsen — ‘Monday Night Football’ numbers. Millions more are watching on ABC, CBS, NBC and online streaming sites(Because of the way Nielsen ratings are measured, reliable numbers are available only for cable news.), and the audience is expanding And the audience is expanding even as Mr. Trump has repeatedly delivered information that doctors and public health officials have called ill informed, misleading or downright wrong.. There are ten paragraphs skipped between the prior and this. On Monday, Fox News...
...alone attracted 6.2 million viewers for the president’s briefing — an astounding number for a 6 p.m. cable broadcast, more akin to the viewership for a popular prime-time sitcom...This past weekend, Fox News recorded its highest weekend viewership since its 2003 coverage of the gulf war.
...Americans’ trust in the news media is also split along partisan lines.The CBS News poll said 13 percent of Republicans trusted the news media for information about the virus.” versus 72 percent of Democrats.Michael M. Grynbaum @NYTimes

Here's his recent victim tweet by the Stable Genius on fake reporting, sounds like he is saying he shouldn't be trusted.
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Such Fake reporting by the @nytimes, @washingtonpost, @CNN & others. They use a small portion of a sentence out of a full paragraph in order to demean. They really are corrupt and disgusting. No wonder the media is, according to polls, record setting low & untrusted.

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Old 03-29-2020, 04:54 PM   #21
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The claim "I stopped it" by stopping flights and the accompanying lies about complaints about that are fake news at best. I'm only slightly surprised that John Baron has yet to make an appearance, though I think there is a possibility he lives in CT.

This is only based on publicly available information, the intelligence that was provided to the President and is being concealed by the administration will tell a much more damning story.

January 3, 2020: The CDC is first alerted to a public health event in Wuhan, China (This fact was revealed publicly later by HHS Secretary Alex Azar.)

January 6, 2020: The CDC issues a travel notice for Wuhan due to the spreading coronavirus.

Note: The Trump campaign claims that this marks the beginning of the federal government disease control experts becoming aware of the virus. It was 10 weeks from this point until the week of March 16 when Trump began to change his tone on the threat.

January 8, 2020: The CDC issues an official health advisory about COVID-19.

January 10, 2020: Former Trump Homeland Security Advisor Tom Bossert warns that we shouldn’t “jerk around with ego politics” because “we face a global health threat…Coordinate!”

January 18, 2020: After two weeks of attempts, HHS Secretary Alex Azar finally gets the chance to speak to Trump about the virus. The president redirects the conversation to vaping, according to the Washington Post.

January 20, 2020: First U.S. case is reported in Washington state.

January 21, 2020: Dr. Nancy Messonnier, the director of the National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Disease at the CDC tells reporters, “We do expect additional cases in the United States.”

January 27, 2020: Top White House aides meet with Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney to encourage greater focus on the threat from the virus. Joe Grogan, head of the White House Domestic Policy Council warns that “dealing with the virus was likely to dominate life in the United States for many months.”

January 28, 2020: Two former Trump administration officials—Gottlieb and Borio—publish an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal imploring the president to “Act Now to Prevent an American Epidemic.” They advocate a 4-point plan to address the coming crisis:

(1) Expand testing to identify and isolate cases.
Note: This did not happen for many weeks. The first time more than 2,000 tests were deployed in a single day was not until almost six weeks later, on March 11.
(2) Boost flu vaccination efforts to reduce the load on hospitals.
(3) Prepare hospital units for isolation with more gowns and masks.
Note: There was no dramatic ramp-up in the production of critical supplies undertaken. As a result, many hospitals quickly experienced shortages of critical PPE materials.
(4) Vaccine development.

January 30, 2020: Dr. James Hamblin publishes another warning about critical PPE materials in the Atlantic, titled “We Don’t Have Enough Masks.” At the time, it was clear that mask shortages would be a serious problem. Other countries coping with COVID-19 were already running short on masks and ordering them from America and, in addition, almost the entire CDC stockpile had been consumed during the 2009 flu season.

January 31, 2020: Trump puts into action a temporary travel ban on China.

This has been the centerpiece of his claim to have responded to the coronavirus. But even here, the truth is somewhat different.

Trump’s Chinese travel ban only banned “foreign nationals who had been in China in the last 14 days.” This wording did not—at all—stop people from arriving in America from China. In fact, for much of the crisis, flights from China landed in America almost daily filled with people who had been in China, but did not fit the category as Trump’s “travel ban” defined it.

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Old 03-29-2020, 09:33 PM   #22
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He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime
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So, if we get less than 200,000 COVID-19 deaths in America, can we all agree that Trump is the greatest president of all time?

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So, if we get less than 200,000 COVID-19 deaths in America, can we all agree that Trump is the greatest president of all time?
depends on how many you are hoping for pete....
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Sounds like that is the new bar
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It may be Chris, but I still don't see how the populous is blaming Trump for the virus. He's not the greatest orator we have ever had but I think the guy is trying his best. JMO

No boat, back in the suds.
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If you weren’t so dumb then you would realize that you put more gifts on the tee.
Day after day you demonstrate just how foolish you are,yet you expect to be taken seriously. The incessant whining and face of fear demonstrates a scared,dumb, bunny 🐰.
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Do you really think anyone takes your crap seriously, you are in serious denial, but all you can really expect from a pig is a oink oink. I’ve heard enough interviews from state governors, from hospital administrators, from ER staff and talked to my own boys who are tied to this far more closely than you, to know what’s going on. It’s going to get worse, so many businesses are going to fail, the unemployment rate is going to be so high for so long, this economy is so screwed for quite some time. Feel free to call my concern fear if that makes you feel important and if you are struggling to come up with some fresh one liners and childish insults. You continue to show the members your true class and character, you may be a prince face to face, but on this board your a boorish a*sshole.
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Never forget

Trump* on Sunday said if only 100,000 Americans die from coronavirus "we all together have done a very good job."

But here's Trump* a month ago bragging how ZERO Americans had died and slamming media for being "hysterical" about the virus threat!


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Do you really think anyone takes your crap seriously, you are in serious denial, but all you can really expect from a pig is a oink oink. I’ve heard enough interviews from state governors, from hospital administrators, from ER staff and talked to my own boys who are tied to this far more closely than you, to know what’s going on. It’s going to get worse, so many businesses are going to fail, the unemployment rate is going to be so high for so long, this economy is so screwed for quite some time. Feel free to call my concern fear if that makes you feel important and if you are struggling to come up with some fresh one liners and childish insults. You continue to show the members your true class and character, you may be a prince face to face, but on this board your a boorish a*sshole.
and a lot of people think the economy will recover quite a bit before the end of the year. it all depends on which expert you listen to.

I have no clue what to
expect. if small businesses can literally get free money from
the feds to fund payroll, i’m not sure why many wouldn’t do exactly that. that will help avoid a huge spike in unemployment.

Many people will listen to the expert whose conclusion serves their agenda.

This collapse isn’t a reflection of the fundamental health of our economy. We intentionally shut the economy down. when it’s over, people
will be so anxious to get back to normal, plus most will
have a nice check
from the feds, i expect consumer spending will be through the roof.
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