Trump to meet with Putin

[scottw]

just trying something..."Bad Liberal Reading"

This is Devin Nunes supporters is in lock step god back in schools Patting himself on the back for North Korea with no tangible results just to get something for themselves hell they even bring back merry Christmas..and all will be good again and yet we have Trump being kinder so they can get a Supreme court appointment who are ugly Republicans and the GOP and dont see extremes on both side as a threat to the country are the ones who are going to do that ..even if we dont know what they do its just sounds good...they have an inability to see Gray every thing is cast as black or white(trump) who will bring them back in time from those not like them where I have issues ... its encoded in their DNA their message when America was Great they are willing to look the other way that pesky Roe V wade enemy's then he is to allies with conservatives in general reverse.... roll back.... reverse equal protection of people regulations why we have them??

[The Dad Fisherman]

I agree with you up to this point

Originally Posted by wdmso

This is where I have issues

Everything after that is just one big Popsicle headache

Originally Posted by wdmso

with conservatives in general the dont see extremes on both side as a threat to the country .. they have an inability to see Gray every thing is cast as black or white win or lose us or them ... its encoded in their DNA their message

And they are willing to look the other way (trump) so they can get a Supreme court appointment . who will bring them back in time when America was Great reverse that pesky Roe V wade reverse equal protection of people from those not like them. roll back regulations even if we dont know what they do or why we have them its just sounds good.. hell they even bring back merry Christmas.. and god back in schools and all will be good again who are ugly Republicans are the ones who are going to do that ... ??? Devin Nunes and yet we have Trump being kinder to enemy's then he is to allies Patting himself on the back for North Korea with no tangible results and the GOP and supporters is in lock step .. just to get something for themselves

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Me thinks you have your woods mixed up with your irons

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...reer/99964020/

Yes, his mother, according to Tiger, was the enforcer of whom he said "My mom’s still here, and I’m still deathly afraid of her. She’s a very tough, tough old lady, very demanding. She was the hand, she was the one, I love her so much, but she was tough."


But his father taught him the game. He was a taskmaster, and played psychological games with Tiger to make him mentally tough.

You said "Trump is like the brutal soccer coach and tyrannical father figure, living vicariously through his tortured boys. Sure he knows what makes a great soccer player and in theory a great team, yet knowing these things helps him achieve neither." No doubt Tiger's father, like your brutal soccer coach, lived vicariously through Tiger's success. And, contrary to your notion that "all this does little to make great soccer players or a great team. It only makes boys that can't wait for each game and practice to end, wishing daily they were old enough to quit, so they could move on to something they enjoy and make their own decisions," Tiger did become great and he loved to practice and he loved his father. Actually, a biography of Tiger Woods by Benedict and Keteyian show that Tiger and his father, in some ways, especially sexual, are more like the media's portrayal of Trump rather than being upright, honorable people

Bobby Knight would be a better example of the brutal coach you conjure up. He more closely lived up to your depiction of such a coach of whom you say "His MO is belittling his boys, forcing them to practice until they are sore and beat physically and more so mentally. Come game time it's screaming obscenities from the sidelines at both his boys for not staying in their lanes, the opponents and the coaches." And yet he created winning teams and championships and was respected by most of his players.

There are many stories of children who were forced to practice an instrument against their will and who would rather do something else, but in the end, became highly successful, even great virtuosos and wound up being thankful for their parents "brutal" discipline. Some may not have eventually been thankful, but became wealthy, famous stars of their craft, a la, Michael Jackson. Various armed services and special forces go through tortuous training and come out better than they went in and respected their drill master.

But Trump doesn't actually seem to fit your brutal soccer coach mode.
His children love him and are loyal to him. They are not failures who resent the way he raised them. And many who know Trump say he is the opposite of your brutal soccer coach. And many like him and are loyal to him. And he rewards loyalty.

Of course, you probably don't believe any of that. I take the word of those who like him, are loyal to him, say he is congenial in person and not the psychopathic monster that various media portray him to be. I have no reason to think that they are lying. But you, apparently, do not believe them. And so, for you, he is that despicable being, and so you can add to the narrative and make him the "brutal coach" who is hated by his players and who does not create winners.

Sometimes, often, "brutal" coaching is not as brutal or rotten as you depict it and can actually achieve winners, champions, better people . . . success.

But, the context as Spence would call it, is different when comparing Trump with a brutal coach. Politics (not statesmanship) is a dirty game. In politics it is the nature of the game to play dirty. In politics, the dirtiest player does not necessarily finish last. Nor does the least dirtiest player necessarily finish first. But most all of them play dirty. And always have.

[Sea Dangles]

It's all right, you will still have a safe space.
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[Pete F.]

Likely the Trump Koolaid business will go the way of some of his other ideas, hopefully the USA won't be one of them.
Trump Steaks
GoTrump.com
Trump Airlines
Trump Vodka
Trump Mortgage
Trump The Game
Trump Magazine
Trump University
Trump Ice
The New Jersey Generals
Tour de Trump
Trump on the Ocean
The Trump Network
Trumped!
Trump New Media
Trump's balanced budget

[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Likely the Trump Koolaid business will go the way of some of his other ideas

yeah..well...everyone that drinks the kool aid dies...right?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by scottw

yeah..well...everyone that drinks the kool aid dies...right?

I didn't say it was a successful venture

[Nebe]

Putin is coming to scold his bitch
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[Pete F.]

He needs to discuss his debts in private, there's a reason he didn't release his tax returns.
Though Trump has never succeeded in developing property in Russia, his company has benefited significantly from Russian money in the form of its clientele. For example, according to a Bloomberg investigation into Trump World Tower, which broke ground in 1998, “a third of units sold on floors 76 through 83 by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.” Trump World Tower sales agent Debra Stotts told Bloomberg that they had “big buyers from Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan.” New York real estate broker Dolly Lenz sold “about 65 units in Trump World Tower […] to Russian buyers looking for real estate.” Lenz is quoted as saying “I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States […] what do you have to recommend?’ They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” In 2002, “the push to sell units in Trump World to Russians expanded,” when Sotheby’s International Realty reportedly teams up with Kirsanova Realty, a Russian company.

The Trump Organization reportedly welcomed the Russian clientele. For example, a 2013 article in The Nation about the influx of Russian money in Miami real estate noted that Elena Baronoff, a Russian-American socialite once described on the cover of a Russian magazine as “The Russian Hand of Donald Trump,” operated a real-estate company catering to Eastern European buyers out of the lobby of the city’s Trump International Beach Resort. The New Republic has also extensively documented how the Trump Organization actively sought Russian buyers, so much so that the area around Trump Sunny Isles in Florida became known as “Little Moscow.” Within Trump’s Florida licensing developments, Reuters identified a total of twenty units in Trump Towers I, II, and III that were purchased by individuals with Russian passports or addresses. Individuals with Russian passports or addresses also purchased sixteen units in Trump Palace, twenty-seven units in Trump Royale, and thirteen units in Trump Hollywood. Trump accepted Russian money on a personal level, as well; Russian fertilizer magnate Dmitry Rybolovlev’s 2008 purchased of one of Trump’s mansions in Palm Beach for $53 million more than Trump had paid for it four years earlier. Some of these Russian buyers have brought more than just money to the Trump Organization—they’ve also brought links to Russian organized crime. In 1984, a Russian by the name of David Bogatin purchased five condos in Trump Tower for a total of $6 million. Bogatin, who was linked to Russian mob boss Semion Mogilevich, pleaded guilty three years later to “evading millions of dollars in state fuel taxes in what state officials called one of the largest gasoline bootlegging operations in the nation.” The five condos were seized by the government, who claimed that he had used the purchase to launder money. Separately, In April 2013, New York police arrested “29 suspects in two gambling rings” run out of condos in Trump Tower. A condo directly below a unit owned by Trump reportedly “served as the headquarters for a ‘sophisticated money-laundering scheme’” run by an individual who worked for Semion Mogilevich. Until he began running for president, Trump not only did not deny his extensive dealings with Russian investors and clients but actually spoke about it frequently, boasting of the amount of Russian money that flowed through his projects in numerous interviews. So, too, did his sons, Donald Jr. and Eric: In 2008, Donald Jr. told investors in Moscow that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” while Eric reportedly told a golf reporter in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

He needs to discuss his debts in private, there's a reason he didn't release his tax returns.
Though Trump has never succeeded in developing property in Russia, his company has benefited significantly from Russian money in the form of its clientele. For example, according to a Bloomberg investigation into Trump World Tower, which broke ground in 1998, “a third of units sold on floors 76 through 83 by 2004 involved people or limited liability companies connected to Russia and neighboring states.” Trump World Tower sales agent Debra Stotts told Bloomberg that they had “big buyers from Russia and Ukraine and Kazakhstan.” New York real estate broker Dolly Lenz sold “about 65 units in Trump World Tower […] to Russian buyers looking for real estate.” Lenz is quoted as saying “I had contacts in Moscow looking to invest in the United States […] what do you have to recommend?’ They all wanted to meet Donald. They became very friendly.” In 2002, “the push to sell units in Trump World to Russians expanded,” when Sotheby’s International Realty reportedly teams up with Kirsanova Realty, a Russian company.

The Trump Organization reportedly welcomed the Russian clientele. For example, a 2013 article in The Nation about the influx of Russian money in Miami real estate noted that Elena Baronoff, a Russian-American socialite once described on the cover of a Russian magazine as “The Russian Hand of Donald Trump,” operated a real-estate company catering to Eastern European buyers out of the lobby of the city’s Trump International Beach Resort. The New Republic has also extensively documented how the Trump Organization actively sought Russian buyers, so much so that the area around Trump Sunny Isles in Florida became known as “Little Moscow.” Within Trump’s Florida licensing developments, Reuters identified a total of twenty units in Trump Towers I, II, and III that were purchased by individuals with Russian passports or addresses. Individuals with Russian passports or addresses also purchased sixteen units in Trump Palace, twenty-seven units in Trump Royale, and thirteen units in Trump Hollywood. Trump accepted Russian money on a personal level, as well; Russian fertilizer magnate Dmitry Rybolovlev’s 2008 purchased of one of Trump’s mansions in Palm Beach for $53 million more than Trump had paid for it four years earlier. Some of these Russian buyers have brought more than just money to the Trump Organization—they’ve also brought links to Russian organized crime. In 1984, a Russian by the name of David Bogatin purchased five condos in Trump Tower for a total of $6 million. Bogatin, who was linked to Russian mob boss Semion Mogilevich, pleaded guilty three years later to “evading millions of dollars in state fuel taxes in what state officials called one of the largest gasoline bootlegging operations in the nation.” The five condos were seized by the government, who claimed that he had used the purchase to launder money. Separately, In April 2013, New York police arrested “29 suspects in two gambling rings” run out of condos in Trump Tower. A condo directly below a unit owned by Trump reportedly “served as the headquarters for a ‘sophisticated money-laundering scheme’” run by an individual who worked for Semion Mogilevich. Until he began running for president, Trump not only did not deny his extensive dealings with Russian investors and clients but actually spoke about it frequently, boasting of the amount of Russian money that flowed through his projects in numerous interviews. So, too, did his sons, Donald Jr. and Eric: In 2008, Donald Jr. told investors in Moscow that “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” while Eric reportedly told a golf reporter in 2014 that the Trump Organization was able to expand during the financial crisis because “We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.”

Yep, follow the money!!!!

[Got Stripers]

12 more Russians indicted today, but I suspect DJT won't make any bid deal of it when he meets with Putin, he has down played their involvement in the election at every turn; no sense in changing viewpoints now. Frankly why would he, it's very likely their involvement impacted the election, to what extent one could never determine, but it was in his favor; that much we know. He will ask if they meddled, Putin will deny of course and Trumps will say ok I believe you.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

12 more Russians indicted today, but I suspect DJT won't make any bid deal of it when he meets with Putin, he has down played their involvement in the election at every turn; no sense in changing viewpoints now. Frankly why would he, it's very likely their involvement impacted the election, to what extent one could never determine, but it was in his favor; that much we know. He will ask if they meddled, Putin will deny of course and Trumps will say ok I believe you.

Today was huge. Indicting not just Russians but GRU agents. This is a big deal...

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

Today was huge. Indicting not just Russians but GRU agents. This is a big deal...

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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[Got Stripers]

IMHO the correct statement is to cancel the meeting, but the bromance is too far down the road.
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[spence]

Mueller knows everything. This is going to get interesting very soon.

[Sea Dangles]

It's become that way for a lot of folks and it's too bad to be portrayed in such a way simply because you don't agree politically. Not the best advertising but obviously shows how wide the gap is, as much as I see things differently than Nebe I always appreciated his perspective. Talk about polarization and then make a statement that seems like it came from Donald himself.
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[wdmso]

all the indictments guilty pleas now timelines on released stolen stuff from the DNC and Clinton emails .. show they were released in line or after statements from Trump


BUT BUT BUT .. GOP hanging their hats on 2 FBI agents who were having a side fling are the reason the investigation a scam..


and now this US President Donald Trump had intervened to end the ban, which was imposed in April and tied to ZTE violations of US sanctions against Iran and North Korea
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President Trump asked the US Commerce Department to reconsider the ban in May at the request of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Putin had better watch out more likely >

[Got Stripers]

Russian money, Russian election help, Russian love; who is the happy Racoon face😬
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Trumptards wont care one bit and all that is going to happen is further polarization.
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Trumptards / Deplorables. You might think there is a concentrated effort to make sure people vote the other way.

Originally Posted by Nebe

I call it as I see it.
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Yehh but, phhhhhhhhhhh, hmpphhh, you've always been this way against the other side so at least you are consistent in your hatred and apathy ; )

Originally Posted by wdmso

all the indictments guilty pleas now timelines on released stolen stuff from the DNC and Clinton emails .. show they were released in line or after statements from Trump


BUT BUT BUT .. GOP hanging their hats on 2 FBI agents who were having a side fling are the reason the investigation a scam..


and now this US President Donald Trump had intervened to end the ban, which was imposed in April and tied to ZTE violations of US sanctions against Iran and North Korea
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President Trump asked the US Commerce Department to reconsider the ban in May at the request of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

Putin had better watch out more likely >

You are so bad at cherrypicking your points - lots of PFA - makes it hard to follow your word salad

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Trumptards / Deplorables. You might think there is a concentrated effort to make sure people vote the other way.



Yehh but, phhhhhhhhhhh, hmpphhh, you've always been this way against the other side so at least you are consistent in your hatred and apathy ; )



. You are so bad at cherrypicking your points - lots of PFA - makes it hard to follow your word salad

Sorry John Facts and statements after statement indictments trying to dismiss them as consistent in hatred and apathy. shows the Truth really doesn't matter .. you like so many other Trump supporter your choice has been made . The captain of the ship is not responsible for the scandalous behavior of his appointees or himself

you and GOP and the Russian investigation.. Are like that person who cuts you off but refuses to make eye contact with you and just keeps driving like it never happened



The GOP thinks 2 people are Master minds of the whole Russian investigation do you?


I want those who get to know me ,To become admirers or my enemies

thats Trump in a nut shell

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Sorry John Facts and statements after statement indictments trying to dismiss them as consistent in hatred and apathy. shows the Truth really doesn't matter .. you like so many other Trump supporter your choice has been made . The captain of the ship is not responsible for the scandalous behavior of his appointees or himself

you and GOP and the Russian investigation.. Are like that person who cuts you off but refuses to make eye contact with you and just keeps driving like it never happened



The GOP thinks 2 people are Master minds of the whole Russian investigation do you?


I want those who get to know me ,To become admirers or my enemies

thats Trump in a nut shell

Hahaha Wayne.

I am not a Trump supporter. I did not vote for him. I don't like his style, I do not like many of the things he says and does. I do believe some of the things he does are necessary and I believe that he is being unfairly treated by the left and the "Resistance".

I do think that if any R won the election than the left would be all up in a tizzy, maybe not this bad, but still some sort of Resistance #WeAreAllGonnaDieHandmaidensTale or something.

[PaulS]

How about an indictment stated that the same day Trump asks Russia to hack Hillary's emails they started doing that. And yet we're going to hear that Russian interference had nothing to do with the election results.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by PaulS

How about an indictment stated that the same day Trump asks Russia to hack Hillary's emails they started doing that. And yet we're going to hear that Russian interference had nothing to do with the election results.
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It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump says Putin just denied meddling again so there’s nothing he can do and Russia claims the issue never came up to stir the pot.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

It wouldn’t surprise me if Trump says Putin just denied meddling again so there’s nothing he can do and Russia claims the issue never came up to stir the pot.
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Russia did meddle - but was it enough to change the results??

(PS - I would like to see Trump cancel the meeting, probably unexpected for a Trumpster like me )

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Russia did meddle - but was it enough to change the results??

With what we know I think so and wouldn’t be surprised if the true scope is even wider. As we’ve discussed Trump won by a very narrow margin.

Comey reopening the investigaton had a big impact also. The FBI really did a terrible job of rigging the election.
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[wdmso]

Russian hackers had dirt on the Republican National Committee but never released it, according to a new report. A senior administration official said, “We now have high confidence that they hacked the D.N.C. and the R.N.C., and conspicuously released no documents” from the Republicans,

hacks into the Republican committee took place in the spring, at the same time emails from the Democratic National Committee were stolen by hackers thought to be connected to Russian

this is another area that smell fishy I have a hard time thinking the RNC was just better at cybersecurity then the DNC


Trump says Russians were unable to hack the Republican National Committee

But intel states Trumps campaign wasn't targeted ? lets call it odd

[wdmso]

[QUOTE=JohnR;1146661]Russia did meddle - but was it enough to change the results??

I would say we have moved passed "enough to change the results?? "

not sure thats quantifiable,, they clearly didn't stuff ballot boxes

But if the Trump campaign actively sought Russian help in discrediting Clinton which seems to have happen...

Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton’s personal and campaign offices “on or around” the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server, according to a new indictment from Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

That has always been the bigger issue and the GOP has brushed this aside as opposition research... but they see the steel dossier in a completely different light .. and think 2 FBI agents texts some how discredit the muller investigation... show some crazy desperation

Strzok’s The suggestion that I, in some dark chamber somewhere in the F.B.I., would somehow cast aside all of these procedures, all of these safeguards, and somehow be able to do this is astounding to me. It simply couldn’t happen. And the proposition that this is going on, that it might occur anywhere in the F.B.I., deeply corrodes what the F.B.I. is in this society, the effectiveness of their mission, and it is deeply destructive.

[scottw]

[QUOTE=wdmso;1146665]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Russian officials began to target email addresses associated with Hillary Clinton’s personal and campaign offices “on or around” the same day Donald Trump called on Russia to find emails that were missing from her personal server.....

so you are saying Trump made a joke and Russian officials took him seriously?

[Got Stripers]

This week is unreal, one in which even with 12 new indictments, our POTUS states the Russian witch hunt is hurting our relationship with Russia. Putin is I’m sure overly prepared for this meeting and our president prepares by playing golf. Our country is attacked by Russian hackers certainly at the direction of Putin and Trump instead of focusing on that, attacks our allies in NATO. Even if NATO needed to be held financially accountable, they our our foes and yet Russia is only to some extent our foe. It is hard for me to believe the Trump supporters can’t see the dangerous road we seem to be traveling down globally.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

This week is unreal, one in which even with 12 new indictments, our POTUS states the Russian witch hunt is hurting our relationship with Russia. Putin is I’m sure overly prepared for this meeting and our president prepares by playing golf. Our country is attacked by Russian hackers certainly at the direction of Putin and Trump instead of focusing on that, attacks our allies in NATO. Even if NATO needed to be held financially accountable, they our our foes and yet Russia is only to some extent our foe. It is hard for me to believe the Trump supporters can’t see the dangerous road we seem to be traveling down globally.
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They really don’t because they’re just staring into the light. I never imagined John would be part of it but...
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