Hilary tells CNN she has never lied to the public

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. .

You are far too sharp to believe that. Far too sharp.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

No, it shows there are multiple perspectives. If Clinton thought she was an important part of the process, and others thought so as well, that doesn't mean she's lying...

Had she made the claim and perhaps not been there at all, that would be a lie.

According to George Mitchell....she was basically a Trophy Wife (in the words of Frank Barone "What Contest in Hell did I win)

So if Hillary believes it, it must be true.

She said she was Instrumental.....she was not.

She hung out with the other wives....probably chatting the night away about shoes and their husbands infidelities

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

According to George Mitchell....she was basically a Trophy Wife (in the words of Frank Barone "What Contest in Hell did I win)

Great, now making sexist references. You're on a roll....

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Great, now making sexist references. You're on a roll....

You going through your liberal "Label of the Day" calendar again?
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[Nebe]

Come on spence..

http://youtu.be/rZHO1vo762c
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[Sea Dangles]

My guess is that Spence the parent would not tolerate the sensationalism that he does with his candidate. Only because he wants to be a good Dad and would not tolerate such character flaws.
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

My guess is that Spence the parent would not tolerate the sensationalism that he does with his candidate. Only because he wants to be a good Dad and would not tolerate such character flaws.
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You would think he would see the hypocrisy , wouldn't you ?
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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by buckman

You would think he would see the hypocrisy , wouldn't you ?
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White lies,fables, fabrication: all are nice words for being untruthful. As Jeff says he does the same at work so to expect him to understand the difference could be a stretch. But unless his last name is Aesop then the difference could be a huge loss in credibility. Hyperbole is used to exaggerate a point, what was Hillarys point?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

White lies,fables, fabrication: all are nice words for being untruthful. As Jeff says he does the same at work so to expect him to understand the difference could be a stretch. But unless his last name is Aesop then the difference could be a huge loss in credibility. Hyperbole is used to exaggerate a point, what was Hillarys point?
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Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety.

Nice manipulation of my words.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety.

Nice manipulation of my words.

"Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety."

I'm not sure ow you conclude that's what her point was, because that's not remotely what she said. Brian Williams got suspended for telling a very similar lie. If that lie precludes you from reading the news off a teleprompter (which a monkey could do), one could make a compelling case that it similarly precludes you from having the moral compass to be POTUS.

Spence, you are bending over backwards to tell us why her questionable actions shoul dnot matter, and we shoud only focus on the good. With Trump, you are saying he's not a good businessman, because some of his many ventures have failed.

Do you really not appreciate the double-standard you apply to evaluating these two people.

They are both dishonest jerks. You, like most Americans, are willing to accept moral lapses from your candidate, as long as they agree with you on the issues that matter to you. I thought Bill Clinton was a scumbag, but a pretty good President.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety.

Nice manipulation of my words.

Is this your interpretation Jeff? Because unless she is allergic to flowers she was not exactly in harms way.
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[Sea Dangles]

So the family caught stealing from the White House is in a different demographic?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So the family caught stealing from the White House is in a different demographic?
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Who stole from the White House?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Who stole from the White House?

The Clintons did, you know that, and your defense was that she honestly thougt she was entitled to pillage the White House on their way out of town. Somehow, despite being "broke" at the time, they wrote a huge check to the National Park Service to pay for the stuff they pillaged.

They sacked the White House like Cossacks on their way out of town. At least we no longer needed a penicillan dispensory in the Oval Office once he left. Or was it really a vast right-wing conspiracy, that rumor that he had a slight problem with fidelity. Certainly you deny that Hilary was lying when she said that...

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

So the family caught stealing from the White House is in a different demographic?
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Everything that wasn't nailed down, went in their moving van. Come on Dangles, she was "broke" at the time, they needed the loot!!

Spence will say that wasn't her fault either, she honestly thought she was entitled to the dinner china, art, carpets, copper wiring, light fixtures, ashtrays, and toilets, that they took with them.

Trump and Hilary are both jerks who will say anything to appease the voter base that they are currently whoring themselves out to.

He hasn't already demonstrated that he'd be a disaster in a high-level federal position. She has shown that. That's one difference.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Everything that wasn't nailed down, went in their moving van.

You lie more than Hillary. What does Jesus think about your lying?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You lie more than Hillary. What does Jesus think about your lying?

I am as flawed as anyone. The difference is, unlike her, I admit it, I don't claim to be perfect on CNN when I know I'm not. But I don't lie more than her. How many times has she made reference to the phony war on women? A dishonest statement, clearly intended to deceive the sheep, in order to make them afraid of Republicans.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I am as flawed as anyone. The difference is, unlike her, I admit it, I don't claim to be perfect on CNN when I know I'm not. But I don't lie more than her. How many times has she made reference to the phony war on women? A dishonest statement, clearly intended to deceive the sheep, in order to make them afraid of Republicans.

And Clinton acknowledged and apologized for her misstatement.

"War on Women" is an expression Jim.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Everything that wasn't nailed down, went in their moving van. Come on Dangles, she was "broke" at the time, they needed the loot!!

Spence will say that wasn't her fault either, she honestly thought she was entitled to the dinner china, art, carpets, copper wiring, light fixtures, ashtrays, and toilets, that they took with them.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...nton-stealing/

[The Dad Fisherman]

Last night in SC Hillary got to blame "Whitey" for all the blacks problems....just friggin awesome....

Got to throw out all the buzz words, Systematic racism and White Privilege.....real prize she is.

I figure since I got the sexist label you might as well throw out the racist label
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Last night in SC Hillary got to blame "Whitey" for all the blacks problems....just friggin awesome....

Got to throw out all the buzz words, Systematic racism and White Privilege.....real prize she is.

I figure since I got the sexist label you might as well throw out the racist label
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Did you actually read what she said?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Did you actually read what she said?

“Tackling and ending systemic racism requires contributions from all of us. White Americans, we need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers they face every day,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility rather than assume our experiences are everyone’s experiences.”

Originally Posted by spence

Did you see her comment talking about white privilege? She wasn't blaming whitey, she was just stating the obvious that blacks and whites are treated differently and we shouldn't ignore this.

Then who are these White Americans that NEED to do a better job.....and who is this "WE" that needs to recognize OUR privilege?

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

“Tackling and ending systemic racism requires contributions from all of us. White Americans, we need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers they face every day,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility rather than assume our experiences are everyone’s experiences.”

And that's wrong how?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

And that's wrong how?

Did you even read my post?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

And that's wrong how?

Spence, answer me this.

Hilary says we nee dto do a better job of listening when blacks speak, and of showing humility, and of admitting our priviledge.

How is that consistent with what she did during the 2008 primary season...back then, the blacks said they wanted Obama to be President. Did she show humility, listen, admit her priviledge, and step aside to get out of Obama's way? Or did she spend tens of millions of dollars fighting him, right up until the convention, using everything at her disposal to take the nomination from him?

Clearly, she feels no obligation to make any personal sacrifices as reparations for her white priviledge? So where does she get the moral authourity to ask everyine else to do that which she clearly had no intention of doing?

Have fun with that!

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

“Tackling and ending systemic racism requires contributions from all of us. White Americans, we need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers they face every day,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility rather than assume our experiences are everyone’s experiences.”



Then who are these White Americans that NEED to do a better job.....and who is this "WE" that needs to recognize OUR privilege?

Pure liberal horesh*t.

"we need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk "

Oh, that's rich. Back during the 2008 primaries, blacks spoke out and said they wanted Barack Obama to be President. Did she "listen" to them, as she is demanding that we all do, and step aside and say "OK, if that's what you want, then in recognition of my priviledge, I will practice humility and get out of his way"? Or did she spend tens of millions of dollars to fight him, right up until the convention? What did she do to "listen"? When a black man was between her and what she wanted for herself, did she step aside? Not as I recall!

It's ALWAYS do as I say, not as I do.

[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Then who are these White Americans that NEED to do a better job.....and who is this "WE" that needs to recognize OUR privilege?

She's giving her perspective on a collective we.

I know a black guy who get's pulled over by cops all the time, yet it never happens to me. Do you deny this doesn't exist?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

She's giving her perspective on a collective we.

I know a black guy who get's pulled over by cops all the time, yet it never happens to me. Do you deny this doesn't exist?

(1) In a nation of 300 million, the observed sample of two people, means exactly zilch.

(2) that being said, yes it happens in law enforcement. Does that contribute to black poverty or unemployment? No. It efefcts quality of life, not economic disparities.

(3) and there was that black "knockout game" last year, where youngblacks would sucker-punch innocent white people. Racism, sadly, exists. In a diverse nation of 300 million people, it always will. And it goes in both directions.

As I said (and you conveniently ignored), if a black kid is born into a stable, loving, well-to-do family, he will likely do well. If a white kid is born to a single mom who is a drug addict, that kid will struggle. So race isn't the determining factor. The determining factor, is the dynamic o fthe family that you are born into. Do you deny that? If so, I'd just love to hear why.

It gets tiresome.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

She's giving her perspective on a collective we.

I know a black guy who get's pulled over by cops all the time, yet it never happens to me. Do you deny this doesn't exist?

Yes, it doesn't exist. From my perspective the black guy is lying. And as far as it "never" happens to you, your not dead yet. And, I am white (at least that's my perspective), and it has happened to me. Though not all the time. I would still be stuck somewhere getting a ticket if it happened all the time.

[Sea Dangles]

Good thread and the first Spence meltdown I can recall. Desperation elicits interesting reactions,too many balls in the air for Jeff to handle. He needs an assist from Monica!
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