Democrats and Communists

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

This is like McCarthy reincarnated, when do the hearings start?

Many of them want 70% marginal tax rates on the wealthy, they want the loans they voluntarily agreed to, to be wiped out, and they want free everything. And many want government healthcare, with no ability to purchase healthcare in the private sector. And many want the government to order that every building/home/office in the country be retrofitted with green technology. And the kids on campus, are demonstrating less and less ability to tolerate dissenting opinions - ask conservatives who try to speak there. That doesn't all add up to heavy socialism?

No one is saying to bring back the McCarthy hearings. But let's show them how terrible those ideas might be.

I grew up in West Haven, just a few houses up from the fire house on Benham Hill Rd. I used to spend a lot of time in that fire station, my friend's dad was a fireman there.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

This is like McCarthy reincarnated, when do the hearings start?

Hearings started before McCarthy. The House Un-American activities committee was already having hearings on Communist infiltration of the administration before McCarthy said anything. McCarthy wasn't necessarily trying to start a hearing in the Senate. He didn't want to expose the names of Communists on his list publicly because some of them may have been erroneously included. He was bringing attention to the matter to the Senate in order that the those correctly identified would be removed. The Democrat Senators forced a hearing in order to discredit McCarthy. They assumed they could show that McCarthy was unjustly accusing those on his list. They managed to smear him with sneaky tactics including an outright fabrication, and made the whole thing go away. Eventually, McCarthy was basically proven to be right. But the situation was even worse than McCarthy knew.

The Venona Project, a U.S. Army counter intelligence program, uncovered many more names. The release of some KGB files corroborated most of the Venona material. And the FBI had been discovering the Commie infiltration all along. It had even alerted the administration. But Russia was an ally during the war, so nothing was done about it. That was a big mistake.

Some of the most influential soviet agents in the administration including the closest advisors to FDR worked to put in effect policies that favored Communist expansion. Advice FDR received by them influenced his decisions to back Stalin's desires in the Yalta conference which resulted in the Soviet takeover of Eastern Europe and East Germany. Soviets in the administration convinced it to abandon Chiang Kai-Shek in his war against Mao who he was defeating with the aid of American military supplies. In the meantime, the Soviets were arming Mao's forces. So the tide turned. Consequently, China and much of East and South Asia (eventually resulting in a Communist North Korea), as well as Eastern Europe, all fell into the hands of the Soviets.

As well, the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor was in a way orchestrated by Soviet agents in the FDR administration. Japan was a severe threat to Russia, as had been demonstrated by its defeat in the earlier Russo Japanese war. Having to fight a war on two fronts, Hitler in the West and Japan in the East, would have been difficult, a major stretch on Russian resources. Japan tried to make a pact with the U.S. in order to stave off what was a near certain entry of America into the war against Hitler. Japan and Germany were allies, which would pit the U.S. against Japan, stretching Japanese resources beyond its ability to attack Russia while fighting the Americans. Harry Dexter White, a top Treasury Dept, official and also a Soviet agent, convinced FDR that Japan could not be trusted, and helped create the ten point ultimatum adopted by the administration that basically was a casus belli. Drawing the U.S into war with Japan freed the Soviets of having to fight that war.

We don't need congressional hearings. Just an honest and open discussion about the political direction of our country.

[westhavendave]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Many of them want 70% marginal tax rates on the wealthy, they want the loans they voluntarily agreed to, to be wiped out, and they want free everything. And many want government healthcare, with no ability to purchase healthcare in the private sector. And many want the government to order that every building/home/office in the country be retrofitted with green technology. And the kids on campus, are demonstrating less and less ability to tolerate dissenting opinions - ask conservatives who try to speak there. That doesn't all add up to heavy socialism?

No one is saying to bring back the McCarthy hearings. But let's show them how terrible those ideas might be.

I grew up in West Haven, just a few houses up from the fire house on Benham Hill Rd. I used to spend a lot of time in that fire station, my friend's dad was a fireman there.

I was the Chief of West Shore, left there 5 years ago, spent many a night on that Rescue at Benham Hill. Dave Collins

[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Many of them want 70% marginal tax rates on the wealthy, they want the loans they voluntarily agreed to, to be wiped out, and they want free everything. And many want government healthcare, with no ability to purchase healthcare in the private sector. And many want the government to order that every building/home/office in the country be retrofitted with green technology. And the kids on campus, are demonstrating less and less ability to tolerate dissenting opinions - ask conservatives who try to speak there. That doesn't all add up to heavy socialism?

You forgot no cheeseburgers on the grill on the Fourth of July

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

I was the Chief of West Shore, left there 5 years ago, spent many a night on that Rescue at Benham Hill. Dave Collins

Small world, thanks for your service.

I lived right at the top of Benham Hill. Every time I wandered into that fire house, one of the guys would buy me a bottle of coke from the old fashioned machine, and ask me where the snappers were biting.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

You forgot no cheeseburgers on the grill on the Fourth of July

From the young democrats? More like borscht on October 25, the anniversary of the Russian Revolution. Borscht, a few packs of smokes, and a few copies of Animal Farm and Chairman Mao's Little Red Book.

[westhavendave]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Small world, thanks for your service.

I lived right at the top of Benham Hill. Every time I wandered into that fire house, one of the guys would buy me a bottle of coke from the old fashioned machine, and ask me where the snappers were biting.

Some names I know from up there, DeGrand, Neylan, Fontana, Frosolone, Russo, Limosani, Collucci, Capone, Mills, not enough Italians, lol.

[detbuch]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Marxist academe you have such an active imagination https://www.econlib.org/archives/201...valence_1.html

Original, hard core Marxism has lost most of its followers, so it is surprising that as many as in your survey did consider themselves Marxist. And many that do consider themselves as true Marxian Marxists would probably rather not admit it. As the term is used loosely today, it is more accurately called Cultural Marxism. That was a movement begun in earnest in the U.S during the mid 20th century by European Marxists (the so called Frankfurt School theorists) who were disillusioned with the outcome of original Marxism and Communism but still believed in much of the fundamental political and economic ideology. They still adhered to the Marxist critique of capitalism and notions of class struggle as well as other notions in the Marxist canon.

But they, in conjunction with Post Modern theorists, went beyond Marx and, created the basis for deconstructing traditional Western political, social, and economic understanding. They helped transform traditional "Conservative" academia into a platform for the Post Modern notion that our reality is a social construction rather than a physical and biological imperative. This all spawned into various constructs such as political correctness, social justice as it is expressed by leftists, economic justice, reproductive rights, multiculturalism, and our current identity politics and personal gender identity over biological identity, etc.

As for your survey, I specifically referred to the "liberal arts." Your survey includes the STEM curricula which shows very few, or zero, who identify as Marxists, which is not a surprise since the STEM curricula deals in scientific and physical reality, not in intellectual nonsense. But for the liberal arts, the social sciences and the humanities, it shows 17.6 of those in the social sciences and 5% of those in the humanities do. It also shows 24% radicals and 20.6% activist in the social sciences, and 19% radicals and 26.2 activist in humanities.

Your article also states "if 18% of social scientists believe in Marxism, that too is a big deal. Why? Because Marxism is nonsense. Furthermore, if 18% of a discipline fully embrace a body of nonsense, there is also probably a large bloc of nonsense sympathizers – people who won’t swallow the nonsense whole, but nevertheless see great value in it. Suppose, plausibly, that there is one fellow traveler for every true believer. That would bring the share of abject intellectual corruption to fully 35% – and 51% in sociology."

So, granting that Cutltural Marxism, not original Marxism, promulgates the mainstream intellectual liberal view, using your author's formula as well as that there are not many activist and radical professors from the "right" in our universities and colleges (it is conceded by just about all surveys that Professors in the liberal arts are overwhelmingly "liberal"), and that radicalism and activism in our universities is usually the M.O. of leftist, Post Modern, Cultural Marxists, we can extrapolate further.

The total ratio of those in the social sciences that are either radical (24%), activist (20.6%), or Marxist (17.6%) is 62%. The total ratio of those in the humanities, 19% radical, 26.2% activist, 5% Marxist adds up to 50.2%. Then if we use the authors suggestion that we should add fellow travelers (as well as those who didn't identify as either of those three categories, but, being predominantly "liberal" so leaning to Cultural Marxism), we can surmise that a large majority of Liberal arts professors are "Marxist" in the loose use of that term.

So secret your presenter knows everyones Names. as I have said its just another spoon feed story for like minded people using Classic Conservatives Buzz words ... Communist she even used comrade a few times ..

"Secret" applies to the rank and file Democrat voter and the general population. The Communist Party does not hide its connection to the Democrat Party, and the Democrat hierarchy is not unaware, but it is purposely not broadcast aloud to the public for obvious reasons. Were you aware of the connection? It is an "open secret."--"An open secret is a concept or idea that is 'officially' secret or restricted in knowledge, but in practice may be widely known; or it refers to something that is widely known to be true but which none of the people most intimately concerned are willing to categorically acknowledge in public."--Wikipedia.

True investigative journalists would not find this hard to "discover." Fake news journalists would choose to disregard or not report it.

[westhavendave]

Coming to an arena near you.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

Some names I know from up there, DeGrand, Neylan, Fontana, Frosolone, Russo, Limosani, Collucci, Capone, Mills, not enough Italians, lol.

At least they had their token Irishman
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by westhavendave

Coming to an arena near you.

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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

That says it all

This is correct. Today's Republicans are closer to yesterday's moderate Dems (save horrible spending) than today's Dems are. I could (and did) support yesterday's Dems but there are no more.

Originally Posted by westhavendave

You forgot the Fire Department, we are Commies too!

No, if you are/were a former Chief then you know that FD politics fit NO conventional model ; )

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by JohnR

I could (and did) support yesterday's Dems but there are no more.

Agreed, I voted for Clinton and think he was a good POTUS.

Right now, Nancy Pelosi is mainstream within that party, she is the anchor trying to keep the radicals from going too far left. Let that sink in.

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

This is correct. Today's Republicans are closer to yesterday's moderate Dems (save horrible spending) than today's Dems are. I could (and did) support yesterday's Dems but there are no more.

I don't understand this statement at all. Between the Tea Party and Trump the GOP isn't looking very moderate or very Republican.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't understand this statement at all. Between the Tea Party and Trump the GOP isn't looking very moderate or very Republican.

what policies do today’s GOP advocate for, which they haven’t traditionally advocated for? be specific? i can make a pretty specific list about what dems are advocating for today, thatbthey sure weren’t advocating for when Bill Clinton was president, many many things.

the tea party was a very powerful political force in the few years after its genesis, but it advocated for traditionally conservative ideals of fiscal responsibility.

trumps policies are pretty moderate. he’s not Pat Buchanan, not by a long shot. Planned Parenthood is still being funded fully. he advocated for prison reform.
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't understand this statement at all. Between the Tea Party and Trump the GOP isn't looking very moderate or very Republican.

Greed comes in many forms.
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[Sea Dangles]

This president is nothing more than a correction....checks and balances at work. A necessity to get the country back pointed in the right direction.
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[JohnR]

Originally Posted by spence

I don't understand this statement at all. Between the Tea Party and Trump the GOP isn't looking very moderate or very Republican.

The R's somewhat sycophantic public support reminds me why I hate Politicians in general and makes me giggle when I whaddabout the rumpswabbery of Dem Pols with WJC and Obama. The Tea Party was overall a good movement where people wanted respect for the rule of law, cut spending, and not be 21T in debt. Does not sound to bed now, does it. Too bad the press and dems eviscerated it. But they support the Commies so all is good, no? And on balance they look far more moderate than the race to interseationalism that is the Dems.

Originally Posted by Nebe

Greed comes in many forms.
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Because you think I'm greedy??

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

This president is nothing more than a correction....checks and balances at work. A necessity to get the country back pointed in the right direction.
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Unsure how many more pendulum swings we can tolerate.

[detbuch]

2015 article by John Bachtell, Chairman of the National Committee of the Communist Party USA on need to work through the Democrat Party to achieve his Party's goals (which are quite similar, if not identical, to Progressive's goals). As an aside, he considers a lot of things to be extremist that Spence does. Maybe Spence considers CPUSA to be "centrist" or "moderate"?:

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article...party-i-agree/

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Too bad the press and dems eviscerated it. But they support the Commies so all is good, no? And on balance they look far more moderate than the race to interseationalism that is the Dems.

it's funny when whackos call others extremists......