Obama goes to Hiroshima, and naturally, screws it up

[Jim in CT]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/obama-rea...072104282.html


"Let the world say, 'Here is the fruit of the genocide of untold millions of Chinese, Singaporeans, Filipinos, Koreans, and countless others.' Let history say, 'Here is where that genocide was dealt a mortal blow." -What the President DIDN'T say when he visited Hiroshima yesterday.

What fell from the sky wasn't "death." It was what STOPPED death, in the form of the genocide which had been so savagely inflicted upon an entire continent by the perpetrators of the only atrocity in history which is perfectly analogous to what the Nazis did in Europe. The bombing ended the most catastrophic war in human history. What fell from the sky brought "peace." And the people that benefited the most from that bombing were the Japanese themselves. Because the alternative was an invasion of the mainland, and if that happened, they might have died to the last child. An invasion would have hurt the Japanese far more than it would have hurt America.

So we can add 'historian' to the long list of thing Obama sucks at. It's on the list just after 'Cuban tango dancer', maybe the last thing I would have assumed he'd be good at.

I'm not saying you go over there thumping your chest and doing a touchdown dance. But we are not to blame for this, their previous leaders are to blame.

It's a somber moment. But to fail to remember it accurately, is to invite it to happen again.

[spence]

Your hate has no limits.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Your hate Obama's incompetence has no limits.

Fixed it for ya. You're welcome.

I can't stand the guy, Spence, I don't deny it. But as always, you insult me, but don't bother to point out where I'm wrong.

Do us a favor read 'Thje Rape Of Nanking', you can get the Cliffs Notes somewhere, then get back to me, and tell me it was 'evil' of us to take steps to end that war.

If what we did was evil, how would Obama describe what the Japanese had done? I don't think there's a worse word in our lnguage, so it's clear to me he's making a moral equivalence between what we did to end the war, and everything th eJapanese did during the war. If I am wrong on that score, I'd just love for you to explain how.

What we did was awful, it was beyond terrible. But given the circumstances, it wasn't even close to being 'evil'.

[Fly Rod]

no apology needed...the imperial japanese brought it on them self's....they never apologized for the attack on pearl harbor killing over 2000 americans...they slaugtered 90 plus civilians at wake island....they slaugtered many on the bataan death march....they slaugtered civilian philippians and bayoneted their babies....the dropping of little boy & fat man is estimated at saving a million american servicemen......so I say, "who owes an apology?....obama did not apologize.

[RIROCKHOUND]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

....obama did not apologize.

I missed the apology in the speech.....

I'd also argue that keeping Japan, S. Korea and Vietnam on our side is a good hedge against the Chinese and N. Koreans....

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I missed the apology in the speech.....

I'd also argue that keeping Japan, S. Korea and Vietnam on our side is a good hedge against the Chinese and N. Koreans....

I didn't say he apologized.

Rockhound, was it 'evil' for the US to drop the bomb on Japan, at that time, with the hope of avoiding the invasion? Do you really htink 'evil' is the way to describe our actions?

I don't get it, and I will say it again...there is nothing that unites liberals and conservatives anymore, and it's mostly (not all) because liberals have really said 'adios' to reality and common sense. On economic issues, liberals pretend that arithmetic does not exist, and that observeable evidence of liberal policies is to be ignored. On moral issues, it's bordering on the satanic. According to liberalism, it was evil to end WWII. Also, it's OK for Abu Mumia Jamal to give a college commencement address, but not Condaleeza Rice. Is that about right? What the hell is in that Kool Aid, anyway?

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[Fly Rod]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

I missed the apology in the speech.....

I'd also argue that keeping Japan, S. Korea and Vietnam on our side is a good hedge against the Chinese and N. Koreans....

I agree with U 100%....we R obligated to protect japan and south korea....we may need them deep water ports in vietnam

[Jim in CT]

I keep focusing on his word 'evil'?

What does Obama think the intent was of dropping the bomb? And what was the result?

We told Japan we had the bomb, and told them to surrender. They said "no thanks, we would prefer to continue to cccupy most of this continent, so that we can continue to enslave, rape, murder, and eat, millions more".

The alternative was invading Japan. Wpould Japan be bette roff, or worse off, had we done that.

If I am asked to write Obama's epitaph, it would be thus...

President Obama...always wrong, yet somehow, never in doubt. Where does that arrogance come from, when everything you touch turns into vomit?

[Nebe]

jim. Could you do a better job?
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

jim. Could you do a better job?
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I believe you could do a better job !
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[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

I believe you could do a better job !
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Well that is quite a compliment ! I will name you secretary of fermented affairs. 😅😂
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[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Well that is quite a compliment ! I will name you secretary of fermented affairs. 😅😂
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[wdmso]

we dropped the bomb on Japan because we did not see them as we saw our European brothers we saw them as inferior .. we interned fellow americans because of their yellow skin and to show the russian's

who declared war on japan August 8, 1945, be dropped the last bomb August 9, the U.S. dropped a plutonium implosion-type bomb (Fat Man) on the city of Nagasaki. and uranium gun-type atomic bomb (Little Boy)


think what you want this was a field test

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Nebe

jim. Could you do a better job?
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Than Obama? Nebe, my flat-coated retriever could do a better job. Every person on this forum could do a better job.

[Jim in CT]

And it wasn't merely "death" that fell from the sky. To the brutalized slaves of Japanese-occupied lands, what fell from the sky was hope, peace, and freedom. It was the answer to their fervent, frantic, desperate prayers, that somewhere in this world, someone gave a sh*t about what was happening to them. Paul Tibbets got in his plane for them. And if he was shot down, he would not have been given a parade in Tokyo. But he risked getting tortured and eaten, he took that risk because the strong have an obligation to help the weak. What happened at Hiroshima, is that genocide was brought to its knees. By the most generous, free country that the world has ever known.

Obama calls that evil, and Spence says that I am unable to grasp the subtle abstractions which dictate that it was the opposite of what I claim. I think the two of them are completely fuc*ed in the head, but that could be the few beers I had earlier.

[Nebe]

My grandfather never owned a Japanese car. Or a German car. How quickly we forget.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Nebe

How quickly we forget.
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and how quickly we forgive...we began rebuilding these nations that unleashed historic horrors on the world immediately...

taking "stock of who we are and what we might become."

he makes me vomit

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by Nebe

My grandfather never owned a Japanese car. Or a German car. How quickly we forget.
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I crack up at a particular area union facility with BMWs, Mercs, Lexus, etc - and me with my lowly F150.

Originally Posted by scottw

and how quickly we forgive...we began rebuilding these nations that unleashed historic horrors on the world immediately...

taking "stock of who we are and what we might become."

he makes me vomit

Yes, nation building at considerable cost, of civilized nations, that had been thoroughly defeated. To assist in providing a counterweight to the Soviet Union.

Hard to say how much better it could have worked out

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Hard to say how much better it could have worked out

also consider.....how many folks listening to that speech would not be around to hear it, either directly or having never been born if we'd gone ahead with a mainland invasion...the loss of life estimates were astronomic...not to mention all the rubble

[wdmso]

WOW funny to see people hold a grudge against the Japanese..over a war that was Fought 71 years ago ! do you still hate the British and the french or Germans for past wars and battles and gas chambers and other atrocities

of course not they are European

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

WOW funny to see people hold a grudge against the Japanese..over a war that was Fought 71 years ago ! do you still hate the British and the french or Germans for past wars and battles and gas chambers and other atrocities

of course not they are European

no grudge or hate.....things turned out as well for the Japanese as could have been expected given all that transpired and what may have been.... same for the Germans


seems like racism and hate must play a part in the narrative to help maintain it for some

[scottw]

if Obama wants to be productive and make some "CHANGE" before he goes on permanent vacation...he should put his nose in the air and fly on over to his hometown and drop a little of that professorial brilliance on an area that he is actually familiar with and that truly needs it


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[spence]

Originally Posted by wdmso

WOW funny to see people hold a grudge against the Japanese..over a war that was Fought 71 years ago ! do you still hate the British and the french or Germans for past wars and battles and gas chambers and other atrocities

of course not they are European

Obama hate is like a drug, some people just can't get enough of it.

It's not like Japan is one of the biggest US allies. Hell I think the favor ability ratings of the US in Japan are higher than here.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Use of the word hate is like a drug, some people just can't get enough of it.

fixed it

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by wdmso

if you see theses as equal you dont understand how it changed the world and warfare for ever

Do you think the loss of millions, including a million Americans, was worth the delay of the bomb by a few more years?

How many people would be missing from out networks of family and friends without the bomb?

Originally Posted by wdmso

WOW funny to see people hold a grudge against the Japanese..over a war that was Fought 71 years ago ! do you still hate the British and the french or Germans for past wars and battles and gas chambers and other atrocities

of course not they are European

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Do you think the loss of millions, including a million Americans, was worth the delay of the bomb by a few more years?

How many people would be missing from out networks of family and friends without the bomb?

John I have said I dont have an issue with the bomb ending the war I have no doubt it saved many lives ... and returned Men to their families

But I know a field test of a new weapon system when I see one.. the bomb served several different rolls and what a better choice than the less than human Japanese hell our Government did this not to its people of European descent .. But to those who they felt inferior

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I just have a hard time understanding why after 71 years people can't see things for what they are not how they appeared 71 years ago .. Japan wont apologize for the same reason people here think Obama Apologized or he shouldn't Nationalism and thats what caused WW2

even snopes calls it http://www.snopes.com/obama-apology-hiroshima/

[Nebe]

I wonder when and who the new rail gun gets tested on ?
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[Fly Rod]

WDMSO....we know and it is fact that obama did not apologize....we would have never dropped the 2nd bomb if japan surrendered after the first bomb,they were given the chance to surrender.... that is Y we waited till 3 days.... do not blame it on that they were the yellow race.... we were not the first to start testing neutrons etc:, the germans were, they did not have resources to develope the bomb...once President Roosevelt found out he put a rush order for the U.S. to develope it as we all know is the manhatten project and to B the first to have it.

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Fly Rod

WDMSO....we know and it is fact that obama did not apologize....we would have never dropped the 2nd bomb if japan surrendered after the first bomb,they were given the chance to surrender.... that is Y we waited till 3 days.... do not blame it on that they were the yellow race.... we were not the first to start testing neutrons etc:, the germans were, they did not have resources to develope the bomb...once President Roosevelt found out he put a rush order for the U.S. to develope it as we all know is the manhatten project and to B the first to have it.

I am just saying if you dont think that yellow Race had nothing to do with with dropping the bomb , along with other consideration your willfully blind thats all

[Fly Rod]

BLIND....maybe as I walk across the street with a Q stick, no wonder cars do not stop for me its suppose to B red tipped, I will have to change from the blue chalk to red....

UUUUUU only assume the yellow race....we will never know if we would have used it on germany since they surrendered in May 1945 and the bomb was not tested till July 1945....the yellow myth is yours alone....imagine if we lost thousands of military invading the main land of japan and we the public(Americans) new that we had the bomb the uproar that would have caused and maybe congress & Truman thrown out of power