Is this the turning point?

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I'm not getting it. When it comes to negotiating with Putin, he supposedly has nothing worth our while to offer us. On the other hand, he supposedly has this enormous power to meddle in our affairs and somehow destroy our so-called democracy. (We don't actually have a democracy, and for good reason . . .although, there ARE those who understand how democracies can easily be tools of authoritarian regimes and want to convert us to one. That conversion can psychologically be implanted in our minds by constantly referring to "our democracy.")

I dunno . . . what did China have to offer us when Nixon negotiated with it. It was geopolitically less powerful then than Russia is now. Now, Russia, China, and other nations in both hemispheres are joining each other in an economic relationship whose objective is to replace the US as the hegemonic world economic and military power, and to replace the dollar as the reserve currency.

Is there some possibility to change the direction of that movement? Is there a way, peacefully, over time, to draw all nations into a worldwide economic and cultural competition and/or cooperation that benefits everybody? Does Western Europe's disinclination to powerfully arm itself open the door to Russian and Eastern powers to threaten it and thus embolden those powers to destroy and dominate rather than come to the table and create a diverse worldwide community of friendly competitors?

I don't know what's in Trump's mind. And I don't understand how so many anti-Trumpers absolutely claim to know what he thinks or why he says and does what he does. He's done some good things. Maybe there's more to come. I'm not all hyperbolic about him destroying Western Civilization, nor this country.

He claims to be a negotiator. Negotiators operate differently than adversaries or warmongers. Maybe you're right that he'll eff everything up. I don't think he even has the power to do so. I prefer to wait until Trump actually does something rather than bitch about what I "know" he'll do.

And what has been going on up till now ain't all that good . . . at least it appears few think it is if all the screeching from all directions means anything. It has the appearance of OK to some, but others see a worldwide rise in national debts and the direction unabatedly continuing that way. And there are all the degradations of long standing social norms that have no definition or basic meaning . . . or the political animosities . . . or the ever-present potential for war. . . yada yada yada, you know the drill.

Hey, to rephrase a Beatles' mantra, "give Trump a chance." OK, OK, I realize y'all can't do that . . . y'all continue on with your nice hyperventilation. I'll step aside as the ignorant dummie while y'all really good experts and wizard fortune tellers tell us what's really going on.

Hey, you win again. Maybe, like Trump said, you'll get tired of winning.

Said it many times, I don't want Trump to fail. While I despise the man, his constant lies and miss truths and most especially his disrespectful treatment of most anyone who even hints they aren't in agreement; I keep hoping he would finally put his phone down and just thicken up the skin and do the job you were elected to do. The usual comeback to my statement above if also getting so fing old; what about Hillary, what about Obama, what about Bill.

In the very long run, I think eventually we need Russia, China, NK; I personally would hope this world isn't going to keep moving on the way it is with everyone looking out for just their own interest and boarders? I'm pretty sure Putin isn't ready to sit down and play nice in the global sand box and neither is NK; China however is moving itself forward better then anyone probably gives them credit for.

Putin and Trump are so similar in their need to be seen in a certain light, the summit was like watching a mutual admiration society meeting.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Said it many times, I don't want Trump to fail. While I despise the man, his constant lies and miss truths and most especially his disrespectful treatment of most anyone who even hints they aren't in agreement; I keep hoping he would finally put his phone down and just thicken up the skin and do the job you were elected to do. The usual comeback to my statement above if also getting so fing old; what about Hillary, what about Obama, what about Bill.

In the very long run, I think eventually we need Russia, China, NK; I personally would hope this world isn't going to keep moving on the way it is with everyone looking out for just their own interest and boarders? I'm pretty sure Putin isn't ready to sit down and play nice in the global sand box and neither is NK; China however is moving itself forward better then anyone probably gives them credit for.

Putin and Trump are so similar in their need to be seen in a certain light, the summit was like watching a mutual admiration society meeting.

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[spence]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Said it many times, I don't want Trump to fail.

I don't want America to fail. Trump is hurting this country and our allies more than he's helping. If we get to the point of impeachment it's going to be hard but we'd be better off long-term.

While I despise the man, his constant lies and miss truths and most especially his disrespectful treatment of most anyone who even hints they aren't in agreement; I keep hoping he would finally put his phone down and just thicken up the skin and do the job you were elected to do.

From what I've seen so far he's not even remotely capable or even interested of doing the job he was elected to do.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

From what I've seen so far he's not even remotely capable or even interested of doing the job he was elected to do.

which was what?..."fundamentally transform" America?....the people that elected him seem to think he's doing the job they elected him to do....not a surprise you don't like the job he's doing since he trounced your heartthrob and you reside far, far to the left of him politically ......and you are a little bitter....he will never get your approval...nor that of the hags on the View or MSNBC...pretty sure he knows that and doesn't really care

sounds like Lisa Page is contradicting a lot of Storks testimony...this could be juicy....

[spence]

Originally Posted by scottw

sounds like Lisa Page is contradicting a lot of Storks testimony...this could be juicy....

Well not really. An independent IG has already dug into all of this stuff. I wouldn't take partisan spin as sign of any controversy. Not to mention that Strzok schooled house republicans during his last appearance.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

Well not really. An independent IG has already dug into all of this stuff. I wouldn't take partisan spin as sign of any controversy. Not to mention that Strzok schooled house republicans during his last appearance.

you are a little confused...being an arrogant, evasive douche is not "schooling" someone...

"no...no he's not...we'll stop it"....

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by scottw

you are a little confused...being an arrogant, evasive douche is not "schooling" someone...

"no...no he's not...we'll stop it"....

Only Schooling someone if a Republican is doing it .. Again GOP trying to knit a sweater with the FBI but ignore's this

Maria Butina loves guns, has ties to a top Russian banker, and has now landed in an American jail accused of conspiring against the US government

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Only Schooling someone if a Republican is doing it .. Again GOP trying to knit a sweater with the FBI but ignore's this

Maria Butina loves guns, has ties to a top Russian banker, and has now landed in an American jail accused of conspiring against the US government

overplayed....

she's accused of not registering as a foreign agent....if she did conspire against the US somehow...then she's in the right place isn't she?...you can rest knowing that she was finally apprehended under the Trump administration...what exactly did Russia get for her efforts?

maybe they will arrest all of those Russians that poured all of that money into the Clinton's coffers to secure the Uranium One deal....talk about collusion

"As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well."

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/u...m-company.html

I wonder how much money the Clinton's have collected from the Russians and Chinese over the years?



only need listed to Strzok's own words Wayne..


"no...no he's not...we'll stop it"....

and

"there’s no big there there.”

http://thehill.com/hilltv/rising/397...every-american