House to vote on impeachment

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

They did, you can be incompetent and still be guilty
Given the breaking news about govt lawyers John Eisenberg & maybe Michael Ellis allegedly helping cover up Trump's crimes...
it's a good time to remember both of Nixon's AGs and 6 other govt lawyers were convicted of crimes related to cover-ups:
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I they withheld the aid, what was the trigger that incentivized them to release the aid? Did the investigate Biden?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I they withheld the aid, what was the trigger that incentivized them to release the aid? Did the investigate Biden?

You could try that after you offered a cop a bribe, wouldn’t work in that case either
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You could try that after you offered a cop a bribe, wouldn’t work in that case either
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No bribe was offered.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

You could try that after you offered a cop a bribe, wouldn’t work in that case either
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i’m asking a question. if the aid was originally withheld, what made them eventually hand over the aid?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i’m asking a question. if the aid was originally withheld, what made them eventually hand over the aid?
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Doesn’t matter, crime was already committed.
That’s the reason you have people testifying, even though the WH told them not to
They don’t want to be part of the conspiracy.
Two choices
A. Try and convince the electorate that it’s perfectly acceptable to withhold authorized funds for a personal benefit.
B. Show that you objected to the abuse of power or didn’t know about it.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Doesn’t matter, crime was already committed.
That’s the reason you have people testifying, even though the WH told them not to
They don’t want to be part of the conspiracy.
Two choices
A. Try and convince the electorate that it’s perfectly acceptable to withhold authorized funds for a personal benefit.
B. Show that you objected to the abuse of power or didn’t know about it.
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"Doesn’t matter,"

So you don't know either, got it.

"crime was already committed." If threatening to withhold foreign aid unless the recipient does what you want is a crime, explain why Biden didn't commit a crime, for what he bragged about in front of the cameras?

Or was that not the crime you refer to?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

"Doesn’t matter,"

So you don't know either, got it.

"crime was already committed." If threatening to withhold foreign aid unless the recipient does what you want is a crime, explain why Biden didn't commit a crime, for what he bragged about in front of the cameras?

Or was that not the crime you refer to?

People ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

People ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
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lotta people on the Burisma payroll apparently

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

People ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.
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doesn’t come close to answering the question i asked.

do you need me to repeat it? if withholding aid as leverage to get a foreign power to do what you want, is a crime, how can you deny that biden committed the same crime?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

I they withheld the aid, what was the trigger that incentivized them to release the aid?

Likely all the people rushing to legal council with what they were witnessing.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

Likely all the people rushing to legal council with what they were witnessing.
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“likely”. so you don’t know, but know he should be removed from office for it.
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