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Old 12-04-2010, 07:54 PM   #31
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But in the spirit of attempting to tap into people's critical-thinking skills, as opposed to the usual propaganda - how do you guys think this will effect the public image of the Republicans in the eyes of Independents? What's the strategy behind making the announcement now with barely 3 weeks left in the year as opposed to right after, or even before the elections?
JD, haven't really followed this thread, but in light of the election I would think the independents would be fine with it.
It's showing that the victors, who many independents voted for, are following through with making the economy and budget their priority.

There strategy is to let Americans know they are serious about taking action on their promises and not waiting.
Good, the sooner the better, if it's not already too late.

I really wish the economy and jobless problems were the priority 2 years ago, instead of all the time and work being spent on Health-care, which should have been way down the priority list compared to the work needed on the economy.

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Old 12-04-2010, 11:09 PM   #32
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tAll teh IT changes! Massive amounts of coding changes!
Yes, god bless charging $200/hr 6hr min for changing a number.

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Old 12-05-2010, 05:47 AM   #33
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There strategy is to let Americans know they are serious about taking action on their promises and not waiting.
Good, the sooner the better, if it's not already too late.


and to say that Republicans are only now making the "announcement"...pleeeese...this has been the stance consistently of the Republicans...EXTEND ALL OF THE BUSH TAX RATES...what's so complicated??? not complicated, not "propoganda"

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JD "What's the strategy behind making the announcement now with barely 3 weeks left in the year as opposed to right after, or even before the elections?"


the dems are deeply split and constantly shift on the issue depending on what they can leverage politically and who they can most effectively demonize..... how are they being percieved by independents right now???? and now they're trying to use CHRISTMAS to leverage political muscle....just shameful! c'mon...use your "critical thinking skills"

the vitrioic class-warfare is stunning and the quality seen in third world nations "propoganda" and on MSNBC....certainly doesn't belong in a "civil" government where certain individuals...Obama, Palosi, Reid..... continually complain about incivility....


it wasn't long ago that the BUSH TAX CUTS "only benefitted the rich" and were meaningless to the middle class...suddenly they are the single most important thing that Obama, Pelosi, Reid and their minions can "GIVE" to the middle class in their great caring and mercy

well, that and unemployment, food stamps, heating assistance and illegal immigrants
put that one on the LONG list too

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Old 12-05-2010, 06:59 AM   #34
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some more propoganda

NY TIMES
Lawmakers Weigh Deal to Extend Tax Cuts for All
By DAVID M. HERSZENHORN
Published: December 4, 2010

WASHINGTON — The Senate on Saturday rejected President Obama’s (latest) proposal to let tax rates rise for the highest-income Americans, as Republicans held firm in their push to continue all of the expiring Bush-era tax cuts.

The White House and Congressional leaders are now discussing a deal to extend the reduced tax rates at all income levels, at least temporarily, perhaps for two years.

But with Senate Democrats and the White House badly splintered, and some (democrat) lawmakers increasingly angry at the idea of sustaining President George W. Bush’s economic policies, the prospects of a compromise remained uncertain.

notice in the same article...

President Obama’s proposal to let tax rates rise (you mean "raise taxes"?)
extend the reduced tax rates (feel very fortunate that you are currently paying "reduced taxes" )

unbelieveable

I like..." at least......temporarily.....perhaps " are you sure???...for "two years"...more or less...

damn OBSTRUCTIONISTS!

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Old 12-07-2010, 06:22 PM   #35
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Where's JD to complain about the freakin "Obstuctionists"?


Obama fends off Democrats' attacks of tax plan - Yahoo! Finance
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Old 12-07-2010, 06:29 PM   #36
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Where's JD to complain about the freakin "Obstuctionists"?


Obama fends off Democrats' attacks of tax plan - Yahoo! Finance
This pretty much sums up your point.
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Old 12-08-2010, 06:57 PM   #37
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This pretty much sums up your point.
Pretty much sums up the point of this thread
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he didn't learn a single thing did he?
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Old 12-09-2010, 08:52 AM   #39
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Lots to argue about here. Look, the Dems could have passed something a looooooong time ago when they had complete control of everything, and to be fair, they still do.

A couple more things...most people don't see this as tax cuts...exactly what is being cut? for the last 7 years your taxes are what they are ...now on 1/1 they would go up to a federal bracket of near 40% (BTW that number is absurd) Nothing is being cut, they are keeping the status quo that is all. Your taxes will not go down next year.

Now this "rich" business...first while 250K is a lot of money it is not necessarily "rich" and there is a HUGE difference between a small businessman filing an S corp making 250K and LaBron James making 16 mil/year (the person the dems chose and the average rich guy)
Now I know someone making 50K with a family is struggling and there are a lot of people unemployed but the guy making 250K is struggling as well, yeah he has a job and is trying to pay his bills and taxes but he is not rich.
For the most part...the RICH are paying all the taxes in this country, this is a FACT. The middle class and below don't pay much of anything. See chart.

Now I think it is easy to get this country out of its funk. The approach I would take is to: create incentives for those with money to create jobs, esp in sectors that we deem important.
Like what?...Like allowing them to KEEP ALL profits tax free for 10 years IF they create new business and hire US citizens and provide them with proper benefits.

This would provide big incentives for business investment in this country and put people back to work, they in turn would pay income taxes and they would be off the monthly gov't handout list and grow the economy. Further, we have long term issues and near term problems. We have energy and healthcare concerns. I propose we provide a full tax deduction for any family sending a kid to college that is studying science, engineering or medicine. This would provide a huge boost to families and students and provide us with the talent we need downstream. We need more doctors, engineers and scientists. Further I would propose we dramatically increase R&D funding in areas of energy. This would provide the technology push as well as the technical demand (pull). We have too many smart people trying to make an easy buck on wall street or hedge funds trying to make a penny off someone else's dollar and cleverly levering the hell out of it instead of actually CREATING SOMETHING. We need less of them and more of technical types. Technology will get us out of this but WE have to create it.

The dems unfortunately see anyone keeping any profits as a sin of sorts, esp the so called "rich". It is time we see that it is only the RICH who can get us out of this.

Taking their money (via taxes) is not the approach. There will always be ways to avoid them. Incentives is the best way to indirectly get private money to where you need it. Poor people rarely create jobs for others, it is time to be nice to those that can create real jobs.


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Old 12-09-2010, 09:50 AM   #40
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Lots to argue about here. Look, the Dems could have passed something a looooooong time ago when they had complete control of everything, and to be fair, they still do.

A couple more things...most people don't see this as tax cuts...exactly what is being cut? for the last 7 years your taxes are what they are ...now on 1/1 they would go up to a federal bracket of near 40% (BTW that number is absurd) Nothing is being cut, they are keeping the status quo that is all. Your taxes will not go down next year.
Good point, INCOME taxes will not go down. But if this passes, everyone's social security taxes will go down for 1 year, from about 6 percent to about 4 percent. So everyone who pays into social security, will see a 2 percent increase in take-home pay for one year. For me, that's nice because every penny goes into the college fund.

This liberal notion that "wealth" is evil baffles me. All liberals out there, please repeat after me..."wealth is not finite, it's not like a pizza".

What I mean is, if Bill Gates earns another million, that does NOT mean that there's a million less for the rest of us to scrounge for. His net worth has no impact on anyone else's ability to get rich. In fact, the more he earns, the better off we all are, because he is taxed at the highest rate, lessening the tax burden on the rest of us.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:23 AM   #41
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the payroll tax cut is a nice bonus. Its across the board. All of Bush and Obamas previous stimulus was capped so if you made over a certain amount you got squat. This is different. Applies to everyone.

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