Fox tell Trump to arm Teachers

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

Trump called him a coward not me. Police guards could still be effective if you can ensure there's limited modes of ingress. I know I can't get into my kids schools without being buzzed in through the front door. Not sure how the FL shooter managed to get inside.

The other thing to do is not treat all gun violence as the same. Suicides aren't the same as gang violence as mass shootings. We need to compartmentalize the issues for what they are and address accordingly.

Jeff,any person leaving your sons school would most likely hold the door open for an intruder. Getting in is most likely easy for anybody with the desire. If you use your common sense you will conclude that it is not quite as easy as you may think. This pile of #^&#^&#^&#^& got thrown on Trumps lap,let's hope he takes steps to help fix things,unlike his predecessors. It's a problem that warrants broad discussion more than your typical party blame game. I understand the suicide part but how does gang violence differ from mass shootings,isn't the intent the same?
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[spence]

Originally Posted by Sea Dangles

Jeff,any person leaving your sons school would most likely hold the door open for an intruder. Getting in is most likely easy for anybody with the desire. If you use your common sense you will conclude that it is not quite as easy as you may think. This pile of #^&#^&#^&#^& got thrown on Trumps lap,let's hope he takes steps to help fix things,unlike his predecessors. It's a problem that warrants broad discussion more than your typical party blame game.
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I've been in that situation many times and nobody has held the door for me or nor have I. Regardless if that's the only entrance and you have an officer or someone inside you have another layer. School start and stop are more open but that's just another facet.

I still don't understand how he was able to enter the building with a long-gun. Lots of layers of failure here but his easy access to the weapon and access to the building seem key alongside the FBI #^&#^&#^&#^& up.

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

I've been in that situation many times and nobody has held the door for me or nor have I. Regardless if that's the only entrance and you have an officer or someone inside you have another layer. School start and stop are more open but that's just another facet.

I still don't understand how he was able to enter the building with a long-gun. Lots of layers of failure here but his easy access to the weapon and access to the building seem key alongside the FBI #^&#^&#^&#^& up.

You are sketchy looking so I am not exactly shocked. But if your wife is getting buzzed into the school and a kid who looks like he is a student runs up behind her to enter while wearing a long coat.......
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[scottw]

PARKLAND, Fla. — Broward County deputies received at least 18 calls warning them about Nikolas Cruz from 2008 to 2017, including concerns that he "planned to shoot up the school" and other threats and acts of violence before he was accused of killing 17 people at a high school.

The warnings, made by concerned people close to Cruz, came in phone calls to the Broward County Sheriff's Office, records show. At least five callers mentioned concern over his access to weapons, according to the documents. None of those warnings led to direct intervention.

In February 2016, neighbors told police that they were worried he “planned to shoot up the school” after seeing alarming pictures on Instagram showing Cruz brandishing guns.

About two months later, an unidentified caller told police that Cruz had been collecting guns and knives. The caller was “concerned (Cruz) will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making,” according to call details released by the Sheriff's Office.

[wdmso]

[QUOTE=scottw;1138130]PARKLAND, Fla. — Broward County deputies received at least 18 calls warning them about Nikolas Cruz from 2008 to 2017, including concerns that he "planned to shoot up the school" and other threats and acts of violence before he was accused of killing 17 people at a high school.

The warnings, made by concerned people close to Cruz, came in phone calls to the Broward County Sheriff's Office, records show. At least five callers mentioned concern over his access to weapons, according to the documents. None of those warnings led to direct intervention.

In February 2016, neighbors told police that they were worried he “planned to shoot up the school” after seeing alarming pictures on Instagram showing Cruz brandishing guns.

About two months later, an unidentified caller told police that Cruz had been collecting guns and knives. The caller was “concerned (Cruz) will kill himself one day and believes he could be a school shooter in the making,” according to call details released by the Sheriff's

The NRA and 2nd supporters would have pitched a fit if they took his guns over instargram, or Internet posts yelling confiscation or FREEDOM of speech. .. they are now blaming everyone else . To insulate them from the laws they supported which gave assistance and legal standing for Cruz to have what he had .... law enforcement was toothless until he committed a crime ...

[scottw]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The NRA and 2nd supporters would have pitched a fit if they took his guns over instargram, or Internet posts yelling confiscation or FREEDOM of speech. .....

ummmm....no

[scottw]

In Ms. Deschamps’s 911 call, she told the dispatcher that Mr. Cruz already had about eight guns that he kept at a friend’s house and that he had just been thrown out of the house after the tantrum in which he punched the walls, hurled things around her home and got into a fight with Rock, her 22-year-old son.

“He got pissed off and then he came in the house and started banging all the doors and banging in the walls and hitting the walls and throwing everything in the room,” she said. “And then my son got in there and he said, ‘Stop it,’ and he didn’t want to stop.”

She added: “It’s not the first time he put a gun on somebody’s head.” Ms. Deschamps made it clear that her new houseguest was obsessed with firearms and had threatened both his mother and his brother. “That’s all he wants is his gun,” she said. “And that’s all he cares about is his gun. He bought tons of bullets and stuff and I took it away from him.”

[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by scottw

ummmm....no

Wayne is a lot like Trump actually. He talks without giving much thought to what he is spewing and it is usually just to get a rise from the group he feels threatened by.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by wdmso View Post

The NRA and 2nd supporters would have pitched a fit if they took his guns over instargram, or Internet posts yelling confiscation or FREEDOM of speech. .....

Originally Posted by scottw

ummmm....no

https://conservativeunite.org/r-gove...der-seize-guns

Gina Raimondo’s overreaching order allows law enforcement officers to take guns away from those in “red flag” cases.

I hate to say it but I told you so

[Jim in CT]

[QUOTE=wdmso;1138142]

Originally Posted by scottw

PARKLAND, Fla.

The NRA and 2nd supporters would have pitched a fit if they took his guns over instargram, or Internet posts yelling confiscation or FREEDOM of speech. .. they are now blaming everyone else . To insulate them from the laws they supported which gave assistance and legal standing for Cruz to have what he had .... law enforcement was toothless until he committed a crime ...

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. The NRA is appalled that this kid was able to buy this gun, given his history. This is a law enforcement failure at every level, not an NRA failure. I don't particularly like the NRA, but they have no fingerprints on this. Zip.

Law enforcement could not have failed more spectacularly. This kid did everything but walk around with a sign saying "I am a mass murderer, please stop me'.

It's evidence that the government isn't as omnipotent as we might wish to think they are.

[Sea Dangles]

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1138153]

Originally Posted by wdmso

You literally have no idea what you are talking about. The NRA is appalled that this kid was able to buy this gun, given his history. This is a law enforcement failure at every level, not an NRA failure. I don't particularly like the NRA, but they have no fingerprints on this. Zip.

Law enforcement could not have failed more spectacularly. This kid did everything but walk around with a sign saying "I am a mass murderer, please stop me'.

It's evidence that the government isn't as omnipotent as we might wish to think they are.

Jim, you could not be more wrong in regards to the NRA. Maybe you need to familiarize yourself with the organization which is remarkably powerful and goes to great expense to allow access to guns for those who wish to own them. I am not saying they are not appalled,just that their efforts through the years are why guns are so accessible.
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