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wdmso · 03-01-2022, 08:57 AM

Ukraine invasion: Videos show locals confronting Russian forces

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60558621

The best one is. the women trying to give the Russian Soldier Sunflower seeds She says so when they die they'll Grow

wdmso · 03-01-2022, 09:17 AM

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Putin just claimed Ukraine at the US Military direction is staging their weapons in civilian areas …. All ready spinning the upcoming block by block destruction

Plus he’s de-Nazifying’ Ukraine

Seems the Russians have moved into Attacking City Center with Heavy Arms

Russia’s defence ministry is warning residents in Kyiv to leave their homes as it plans to strike targets in the Ukrainian capital, Russian state news agency Tass is reporting.

In a statement issued on Tuesday afternoon, the defence ministry says Russian forces are preparing to launch “high-precision strikes” against the “Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) and the 72nd Center for Information and Psychological Operations (PSO)“ in Kyiv.

We urge Ukrainian citizens involved by Ukrainian nationalists in provocations against Russia, as well as Kiev residents living near relay stations, to leave their homes.

Jim in CT · 03-01-2022, 09:28 AM

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Ukraine invasion: Videos show locals confronting Russian forces

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-60558621

The best one is. the women trying to give the Russian Soldier Sunflower seeds She says so when they die they'll Grow

people will be talking about her for 100 years.
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nightfighter · 03-01-2022, 12:08 PM

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Only an idiot would consider a no fly zone as helpful.

I disagree 100%. Yesterday and today the talk is of the 40 mile convoy. Their progress could be stopped, dead in their tracks with a wing of A-10s or other NATO aircraft. (I am shocked the roads have not been destroyed by the UKR ahead of the advance.) This heavy convoy presents a perfect target. Mark my words, we will relish getting a second chance at a shot like this... The time is slipping away.

nightfighter · 03-01-2022, 12:19 PM

[QUOTE=JohnR;1223485}
And for all of the No Fly Zone talk, enforcing it starts WWIII[/QUOTE]

It already has... That is the brutal truth. One last chance for total cease of operations and retreat, or else. We are there! No one wants to say it. But we are. Need to stop that particular battle group/convoy as effectively as possible. Because the chemical, thermobaric, and nukes are going to be used.

wdmso · 03-01-2022, 01:35 PM

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I disagree 100%. Yesterday and today the talk is of the 40 mile convoy. Their progress could be stopped, dead in their tracks with a wing of A-10s or other NATO aircraft. (I am shocked the roads have not been destroyed by the UKR ahead of the advance.) This heavy convoy presents a perfect target. Mark my words, we will relish getting a second chance at a shot like this... The time is slipping away.

I had questioned why they hadn’t mined or dug up roads or placed barricades . But their leadership didn’t believe it was coming. They dropped the ball and now the want to be rescued by the west .

But sadly the loss of life in Ukraine will be horrible.! But if we or nato get involved it will jump 10 fold

Its a horrible way to look at it.
Yet it might be the responsible thing to do
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JohnR · 03-01-2022, 02:07 PM

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It already has... That is the brutal truth. One last chance for total cease of operations and retreat, or else. We are there! No one wants to say it. But we are. Need to stop that particular battle group/convoy as effectively as possible. Because the chemical, thermobaric, and nukes are going to be used.

As long as NATO is not in contact with RUS then no, we are not in WWIII. People need to understand that Russia is showing major weakness right now with conventional forces but they still have thousands of nukes. If they were not a nuclear power things would be different. If NATO and Russian forces go to war, a lot more people are going to die, with a decent chance everyone does.

piemma · 03-01-2022, 03:02 PM

Years ago there was a theory postulated called the MARS theory.
Stands for the Mass Annulation Retaliation Syndrome. Basically, if a nuclear power pushes the button, then everyone will and .......

Got Stripers · 03-01-2022, 03:17 PM

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Years ago there was a theory postulated called the MARS theory.
Stands for the Mass Annulation Retaliation Syndrome. Basically, if a nuclear power pushes the button, then everyone will and .......

Yup if one goes, we all go, I’m hoping Putin isn’t off his kgb nut.

spence · 03-01-2022, 03:24 PM

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I disagree 100%. Yesterday and today the talk is of the 40 mile convoy. Their progress could be stopped, dead in their tracks with a wing of A-10s or other NATO aircraft. (I am shocked the roads have not been destroyed by the UKR ahead of the advance.) This heavy convoy presents a perfect target. Mark my words, we will relish getting a second chance at a shot like this... The time is slipping away.

Sounds like the convoy isn't moving very well at least for now. Reports of shortages of gas, food, morale is getting low and even some disabling their vehicles and walking away.

Saw a great video a guy took when he pulled up to a stopped armored personnel carrier in a town. He asks if they've broken down, the response no, we just ran out of gas. The driver asks if they need to be towed back to Russia and they just laughed.

John Bolton made a remark that a big reason for the timing of the invasion was simply that Russia wasn't ready. That seems clear.

detbuch · 03-01-2022, 04:00 PM

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Sounds like the convoy isn't moving very well at least for now. Reports of shortages of gas, food, morale is getting low and even some disabling their vehicles and walking away.

Saw a great video a guy took when he pulled up to a stopped armored personnel carrier in a town. He asks if they've broken down, the response no, we just ran out of gas. The driver asks if they need to be towed back to Russia and they just laughed.

John Bolton made a remark that a big reason for the timing of the invasion was simply that Russia wasn't ready. That seems clear.

So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

scottw · 03-01-2022, 04:04 PM

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So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

it was the element of surprise in reverse...or something

scottw · 03-01-2022, 04:08 PM

I heard hillary out lecturing on all things russia...good grief

spence · 03-01-2022, 05:55 PM

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Yup if one goes, we all go, I’m hoping Putin isn’t off his kgb nut.

I don't think a single nuke in Ukraine would automatically lead to all out nuclear war. One talking head today said that Putin wants to be regarded as one of the great Russian leaders, if everyone is dead there will be nobody to remember him.

In that event which is certainly possible I could totally see China stepping in to diffuse the situation with big territorial concessions as the price.

Pete F. · 03-01-2022, 07:48 PM

So Putin’s already sent Thermobarics into Kharkiv, probably into Kyiv tonight
Why would anyone think that he will not do that he has done in Aleppo, Chechnya and Grosyna.
If you think he’ll stop there, you’re not a history student.
There will be another former part of the Soviet empire that is next to fall into line.
So we can wait or step up now.
The difference might be a year, good luck with waiting
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Pete F. · 03-01-2022, 08:32 PM

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So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

John Bolton : “The fact is that [Trump] barely knew where Ukraine was. He once asked John Kelly, his second chief of staff, if Finland were a part of Russia. It’s just not accurate to say that Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians.”
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detbuch · 03-01-2022, 09:27 PM

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John Bolton : “The fact is that [Trump] barely knew where Ukraine was. He once asked John Kelly, his second chief of staff, if Finland were a part of Russia. It’s just not accurate to say that Trump's behavior somehow deterred the Russians.”
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Not everything Bolton has said is agreed by many to be "The fact." And "barely" knowing is not a factual description of either knowledge or ignorance. It's a rhetorical trick to falsely impute ignorance. Nor does Bolton tell us the context of Trump asking the question about Finland. Trump very often is being sarcastic. And saying that it's "not accurate" to say something is a weaselly way of trying to imply that it's not true.

In any event, whether Trump "barely" knew where Ukraine was or if he was not certain if Finland was a part of Russia (which it once was part of the Russian empire), or not, do not mean that he had no impact on deterring Putin.

Of course, you do like to resort to "close enough" (not really) insinuations.

scottw · 03-02-2022, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Pete F.

So Putin’s already sent Thermobarics into Kharkiv, probably into Kyiv tonight
Why would anyone think that he will not do that he has done in Aleppo, Chechnya and Grosyna.
If you think he’ll stop there, you’re not a history student.
There will be another former part of the Soviet empire that is next to fall into line.
So we can wait or step up now.
The difference might be a year, good luck with waiting
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didn't biden say "give it a month"?

scottw · 03-02-2022, 06:23 AM

Kamala explains things.....soooo...Ukraine is a country....next to another country...that is a bigger country

wdmso · 03-02-2022, 07:32 AM

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So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

Because his army was told to invade by Putin . You seem to think his generals have a lot of input and people stood up to Putin and said FYI boss were not ready. And he. Said okay
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scottw · 03-02-2022, 07:48 AM

I bet good spelling and coherent sentence structure is important when conveying military orders and communications....

JohnR · 03-02-2022, 07:55 AM

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So if it's clear that Russia isn't ready, then why did they invade?

Because Vladi told all his Generals and Leadership they would be greeted as liberators then his Generals and Leadership told Vladi they would be greeted as liberators and he believed them.

Greeted as liberators - heard that one before.

A lot of things don't make sense though. Are Russians really this bad? Such bad logistics? Keep in mind our logistics jumped through hoops to support tens of thousands of troops / units 10,000 miles away and across oceans yet Russia can't supply logistics to a country on it's border? An army moves on its stomach, right?

Why would Russia have lots of moves made by Territorial Guard Troops instead of their first line?

Why would Russia be handling comms with Baofengs you can get off Amazon?

scottw · 03-02-2022, 08:01 AM

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A lot of things don't make sense though.

^^^this...

Got Stripers · 03-02-2022, 08:15 AM

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I bet good spelling and coherent sentence structure is important when conveying military orders and communications....

A serious thread about a serious situation with global impact, leave it to you to do what you do best, petty juvenile posts are your MO.

scottw · 03-02-2022, 08:29 AM

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A serious thread about a serious situation with global impact, leave it to you to do what you do best, petty juvenile posts are your MO.

from the internet tough guy who thinks he's solving the world's problems on a website...

wait....aren't you the guy who only pops into this worthless place mock the stupidity of others for a few laughs?

nightfighter · 03-02-2022, 09:53 AM

Conscripts. School teachers, janitors, mechanics, everyday joes received a call to report for 3-5 day "training". Then clothed and loaded up in transports having no idea where they are going. Thrown to front line as fodder as artillery work from behind. Russian gameplan has not changed since ancient times. Soften them up with numbers of foot soldiers they are willing to literally sacrifice.
Hopefully, social media will be utilized to reach out to these non-soldiers wearing Russian uniforms, and along with the general population, give rise to a significant surrender and problem for Putin. Despite his best efforts, he can't shut down all lines of communication within his own people. This alone may end up being a major contributor to the outcome.

PaulS · 03-02-2022, 11:14 AM

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Because Vladi told all his Generals and Leadership they would be greeted as liberators then his Generals and Leadership told Vladi they would be greeted as liberators and he believed them.

Greeted as liberators - heard that one before.

A lot of things don't make sense though. Are Russians really this bad? Such bad logistics? Keep in mind our logistics jumped through hoops to support tens of thousands of troops / units 10,000 miles away and across oceans yet Russia can't supply logistics to a country on it's border? An army moves on its stomach, right?

The average Russian has no problems with Ukr. and in many cases are fighting their cousins/friends. Their hearts are not in it. Plus the Russians are prob. poorly equiped, poorly trained, treated badly, etc.

I think there is zero chance they invade Poland bc of NATO.