The 2024 candidates speak

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

So you say hat parents have no right to see what's taught in public school, no right to comment on what's taught, have no right to use their tax dollars

No Jim that you and Republicans are just lying thru your teeth

Yet you and conservatives crazy’s think parents are suddenly smarter the the people teaching them. That’s funny

And what kids get taught is a secret. ? And school board and parent teacher conferences don’t exist? or never existed to address questions?

That takes a special kind of arrogance…. And dishonesty which the GOP has in abundance to spread such BS . But their base eats it up..
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you complained in a previous post here on this thread, that republican parents want to see what their children are taught, and you said so as an obvious criticism. Now you’re denying what you said.

why should anyone assume that teachers are all smarter than anyone else? being educated and being smart are two very different things

see, once again you’re all over the place. on the one hand you say it’s the parents’ responsibility to educate their kids. on the other hand, you say we have no right to question anything that teachers do. So which is it? How can you not see that those two statements are contradicting each other? How can you be that clueless?

Questioning teachers isn’t questioning their intelligence. It’s based on the fact that i know my kids better than any teacher ( who has them for 45 minutes a day with 15 other kids in the class) will ever know them. Teachers know how to teach better than the average person walking around, but any good parent knows their own kids a thousand times better than any teacher ever will.


“dishonesty”… the parents complaining about porn are literally reading from books that are in the schools. but you won’t admit they’re even being honest.

You’re as dishonest as any politician wayne. The liberal can never be wrong, the conservative can never be right. Obviously the truth isn’t nearly that simple, but you have convinced yourself that it is. That’s unbelievably dishonest.

[Pete F.]

Meanwhile in other parts of the right wing media fog, imagine the quality candidates they'll find if Mike Lindell runs RNC
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[Pete F.]

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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

you complained in a previous post here on this thread, that republican parents want to see what their children are taught, and you said so as an obvious criticism. Now you’re denying what you said.

why should anyone assume that teachers are all smarter than anyone else? being educated and being smart are two very different things

see, once again you’re all over the place. on the one hand you say it’s the parents’ responsibility to educate their kids. on the other hand, you say we have no right to question anything that teachers do. So which is it? How can you not see that those two statements are contradicting each other? How can you be that clueless?

Questioning teachers isn’t questioning their intelligence. It’s based on the fact that i know my kids better than any teacher ( who has them for 45 minutes a day with 15 other kids in the class) will ever know them. Teachers know how to teach better than the average person walking around, but any good parent knows their own kids a thousand times better than any teacher ever will.


“dishonesty”… the parents complaining about porn are literally reading from books that are in the schools. but you won’t admit they’re even being honest.

You’re as dishonest as any politician wayne. The liberal can never be wrong, the conservative can never be right. Obviously the truth isn’t nearly that simple, but you have convinced yourself that it is. That’s unbelievably dishonest.

Jim just be honest if you can ?
you post twisted alternative facts after alternative facts. And try to sell them here as a national crisis. You repeat everything you hear on right wing media.. aka lies and regurgitating them

From parents being targeted as domestic terrorist to Paul pelosi
To porn in school , teachers indoctrinating children or groomers to the POTUS controls gas prices

The list is never ending

But here is what is missing and no surprise because we know you’re deep in right wing web


Pompeo calling teachers union president Is “the Most Dangerous Person in the World”—Ahead of Kim Jong Un

You Teachers unions are evil. (Classic). But the Doj targeted parents lol

Then 3 pages of school choice grievances while you’re kids don’t go to public school ?

The pillow guy running for RNC chair

You : silence.

Trump dinning with Nicholas Fuentes

You : silence

Counties in Arizona, Pennsylvania fail to certify election results by legal deadlines

You silence.
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[wdmso]

Trump Demands Kari Lake Be 'Installed' as Ariz. Governor

Former President Donald Trump, citing a "criminal voting operation," demanded that fellow Republican Kari Lake be "installed" as Arizona's governor after irregularities on election day threw the race into question.

And people will still vote for this bum?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim just be honest if you can ?
you post twisted alternative facts after alternative facts. And try to sell them here as a national crisis. You repeat everything you hear on right wing media.. aka lies and regurgitating them

From parents being targeted as domestic terrorist to Paul pelosi
To porn in school , teachers indoctrinating children or groomers to the POTUS controls gas prices

The list is never ending

But here is what is missing and no surprise because we know you’re deep in right wing web


Pompeo calling teachers union president Is “the Most Dangerous Person in the World”—Ahead of Kim Jong Un

You Teachers unions are evil. (Classic). But the Doj targeted parents lol

Then 3 pages of school choice grievances while you’re kids don’t go to public school ?

The pillow guy running for RNC chair

You : silence.

Trump dinning with Nicholas Fuentes

You : silence

Counties in Arizona, Pennsylvania fail to certify election results by legal deadlines

You silence.
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"you post twisted alternative facts after alternative facts"

I posted that 13 public high schools in Baltimore, among all of them, had zero students doing math at grade proficiency. Is that twisted, alternative fact? If so, how come? Not just because you say so!

I posted that despite your saying that educating kids is the responsibility of the parents, you like the idea of all of us chipping in for your student loans.

I posted that despite your saying that educating kids is the responsibility of the parents, you don't think parents have the right to ask about what's taught and to have an opinion.

I posted that despite your saying that educating kids is the responsibility of the parents, you don't think parents have the right to use their own tax dollars to educate their kids how they see fit.

Wayne, you actually believe that it's better public policy if my tax dollars are used to pay off your childs student loans that you chose to take on, rather than to pay for my kids to attend the school I think best serves their needs. You're saying you have more of a right to my money, than I do.

How are your kids more entitled to my money, than my kids? Why won't you answer that? How in Gods name does one become that entitled?

Unions. That's how.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

JThen 3 pages of school choice grievances while you’re kids don’t go to public school ?


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I said repeatedly, all of us have a vested interest in good public schools, whether our kids are in private schools, or even if we have no kids.

Wayne, the fact that I care about the quality of public schools even though my kids don't attend, is proof that I care about people other than me. I want every single kid to have the same choices that my kids have.

I'm not silent on anything. You're the one who never responds to any challenging questions. Prove me wrong. Here goes...by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school for them?

Just answer the question. This is what you clearly believe, so tell us why.

Proof that I'm not the coward you are...

The my pillow guy would be an idiotic choice for head of RNC.

Trump is a jerk who makes all kinds of mistakes.

If counties fail to certify elections be deadlines, let's look into why, and fix it.

There. I addressed every single point you claimed I was silent on. Now show me the same courtesy and answer this question...

by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school for them? Why is your kid's education important enough to spend public money on, but my kids' education isn't?

[Pete F.]

News flash: If you outlaw abortions, criminalize providing gender affirming care for trans youth, dictate what educators can teach in schools, and stop people from voting, you're not the party of "limited government."

The sad truth is if Trump really wanted the GOP to disown him, he should have met with Liz Cheney instead of Kanye or Nick Fuentes.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

News flash: If you outlaw abortions, criminalize providing gender affirming care for trans youth, dictate what educators can teach in schools, and stop people from voting, you're not the party of "limited government."

The sad truth is if Trump really wanted the GOP to disown him, he should have met with Liz Cheney instead of Kanye or Nick Fuentes.
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Conservatives want abortion decided at the state level, not at the federal level. That's perfectly in keeping with the idea of smaller federal government and more local control, which is the basis of conservatism. If it matters, it's also exactly in accordance with what the US constitution says. Once at the state level, advocating against the slaughter of a million unborn babies a year is hardly totalitarian. We like life. Sorry if that rubs you the wrong way.

"criminalize providing gender affirming care for trans youth"

This is so new, no one has had a chance to think about anything, the left keeps running as far as it can into the liberal abyss. I'm not sure how I feel about physically or chemically mutilating kids who aren't capable of making those decisions yet. I know how I feel about forcing female athletes to share locker rooms with boys.

"dictate what educators can teach in schools"

You really are an idiot. The idea that parents can have a say in what gets taught, is exactly in line with the idea of small government. We want individuals to have some influence, rather than letting the government have all the say. Your philosophy, which is to take tons of money from parents but forbid them from having a meaningful say in how it's spent, is obviously the big government approach. As often is the case with you, you git it exactly wrong.

"stop people from voting cheating"

Do drug tests stop people from working?

Fixed it for you. I have a friend who voted via mail-in ballot. The security there is that they validate the signature on the ballot (because everyone is trained to be handwriting analysts, right?). He's right-handed. He signed his ballot with his left hand, and signed it intentionally to look nothing like anything he has ever signed before. His ballot was accepted. It's obviously ripe with potential for fraud. I picked up a mail-in ballot for a relative who's in a nursing home, they just handed it to me without asking any questions. They had no idea who I was, nor did they care. There's no conceivable way of knowing that she would be the one to fill it out and return it.

"you're not the party of "limited government."

You are when the other side wants the federal government to be massive.

Wayne does this too. He says that every time a conservative proposes any kind of law, that he's violating the principles of small government. Wanting small government, isn't the same as wanting zero government.

Stick to claiming that John Brown and Abe Lincoln were liberals.

[wdmso]

The my pillow guy would be an idiotic choice for head of RNC. your MAGA friends would disagree

Trump is a jerk who makes all kinds of mistakes. excuses so dining with a white supremacist is just a mistake

If counties fail to certify elections be deadlines, let's look into why, and fix it. more excuses they refused because their republicans claiming fraud

There. I addressed every single point you claimed I was silent on. Now show me the same courtesy and answer this question...

no really jim you just threw out some BS answers ... if any of those topics bothered you their would have been 3 paragraphs telling us about it

by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school

it's very easy JIM once you pay your taxes it's not your money anymore .. why is that a hard concept to understand , what's next you disagree with Military spending and you want your % of tax back or I don't own a car so give me my highway and roads % back declaring its my tax Money it's a fantasy that once you pay it's still somehow yours

student loan relief is no different than PPP loans .. its giving taxpayer money to others ... funny I never complained about it you never complained about it ... but once you were told to be outraged about the student loan issue you and the rest of the conservative world had a meltdown and we all know why Because it wasn't a republican who is attempting to do something for the average American

But giving billions in tax cut and free money to Businesses whether they needed it or not . you and republicans remained silent and took the money

And if school choice for poor inner city black and minorities to have a better education is the actual goal of school choice . then why should it apply outside underperforming school districts ..

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

The my pillow guy would be an idiotic choice for head of RNC. your MAGA friends would disagree

Trump is a jerk who makes all kinds of mistakes. excuses so dining with a white supremacist is just a mistake

If counties fail to certify elections be deadlines, let's look into why, and fix it. more excuses they refused because their republicans claiming fraud

There. I addressed every single point you claimed I was silent on. Now show me the same courtesy and answer this question...

no really jim you just threw out some BS answers ... if any of those topics bothered you their would have been 3 paragraphs telling us about it

by what logic does your kid have more of a right to my tax dollars to pay off her student loans, than my kids have a right to my tax dollars to send them to the best school

it's very easy JIM once you pay your taxes it's not your money anymore .. why is that a hard concept to understand , what's next you disagree with Military spending and you want your % of tax back or I don't own a car so give me my highway and roads % back declaring its my tax Money it's a fantasy that once you pay it's still somehow yours

student loan relief is no different than PPP loans .. its giving taxpayer money to others ... funny I never complained about it you never complained about it ... but once you were told to be outraged about the student loan issue you and the rest of the conservative world had a meltdown and we all know why Because it wasn't a republican who is attempting to do something for the average American

But giving billions in tax cut and free money to Businesses whether they needed it or not . you and republicans remained silent and took the money

And if school choice for poor inner city black and minorities to have a better education is the actual goal of school choice . then why should it apply outside underperforming school districts ..

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

wayne, we all benefit from roads and the military. Only your daughter benefits from going to college. that’s on her.

here’s an idea. when you take out a loan, you pay it back.

Crazy, i know.

Why is it ok for lu kid tax dollars to go to pay for your daughters college education, but not my kids private high school? Why do you have more of a right to those tax dollars

If my kids leave the public school, that helps the public school. Smaller class sizes, more money to spend on fewer kids. That’s a benefit to society.

Paying your kids student loan benefits you, no one else.

If your issue is that it’s public money, then give me a tax credit i stead of cutting me a check. Are you ok with school choice now?

[Jim in CT]

wayne i had no idea who Nick Fuentes was i til this story and neither did you.

Kanye and fuentes were at some
huge event that trump
was also at . According to Fuentes, Kanye asked if he and Fuentes could sit at Trumps table. Trump said ok. Fuentes said it was clear Trump didn’t i ow anything about him.

What a scandal. Trump didn’t do a full background check before agreeing to sit with a guy he probably had never heard of.

Will Trump ever be indicted? How much energy has been spent smearing him, attacking him, investigating him. Please find a way to actually get him for something? or is the point merely to smear him so he can’t win another election? it’s been 6 years of non stop accusations.

every democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime has kissed all sharptons ring. Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile. But it’s no concern that he’s a big shot on the left. is he not a racist and a bigot?

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

we all know the answer because it's about conservatives wanting to use public funds to send their children to religious schools .. just a wolf in sheep's clothing

Again, in regards to your “Separation of Curch and State” comment

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

So I take it then that there should be no federal grant money or student loan forgiveness for students who attended BYU, Wake Forest, Boston College, Notre Dame or any other private religious schools?
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wayne i had no idea who Nick Fuentes was i til this story and neither did you.

Kanye and fuentes were at some
huge event that trump
was also at . According to Fuentes, Kanye asked if he and Fuentes could sit at Trumps table. Trump said ok. Fuentes said it was clear Trump didn’t i ow anything about him.

What a scandal. Trump didn’t do a full background check before agreeing to sit with a guy he probably had never heard of.

Will Trump ever be indicted? How much energy has been spent smearing him, attacking him, investigating him. Please find a way to actually get him for something? or is the point merely to smear him so he can’t win another election? it’s been 6 years of non stop accusations.

every democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime has kissed all sharptons ring. Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile. But it’s no concern that he’s a big shot on the left. is he not a racist and a bigot?

Predictable

This is just the stages of right wing acceptance
"Trump didn't do it: he was set up"
"He did it, but it wasn't illegal"
"It may have been, illegal, but so what? Not like he killed anyone "
"We're proud he did it because (insert Hunter, Hillary, Obama deflection.")

I don’t think you could overstate how completely Obama broke Jims mind. The fact that a black man was the most powerful person in the world for eight years and was popular and largely successful absolutely destroyed white power mythology and psychology and was the apocalypse for poor victims
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Again, in regards to your “Separation of Curch and State” comment


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I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

wayne i had no idea who Nick Fuentes was i til this story and neither did you.

Kanye and fuentes were at some
huge event that trump
was also at . According to Fuentes, Kanye asked if he and Fuentes could sit at Trumps table. Trump said ok. Fuentes said it was clear Trump didn’t i ow anything about him.

What a scandal. Trump didn’t do a full background check before agreeing to sit with a guy he probably had never heard of.

Will Trump ever be indicted? How much energy has been spent smearing him, attacking him, investigating him. Please find a way to actually get him for something? or is the point merely to smear him so he can’t win another election? it’s been 6 years of non stop accusations.

every democrat presidential candidate in my lifetime has kissed all sharptons ring. Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile. But it’s no concern that he’s a big shot on the left. is he not a racist and a bigot?

So Jim do you actually think that the guy who’s a former Potus and announced he is Running again who has a staff and a secret service detachment 24x7. Just allows anyone to just show up? And say. Hello really?



A simple google search shows who this guy was. Trumps people know this guy is ..

But not you your convinced Trump had no idea.. but you have no issues suggesting Paul Pelosi knew his attacker .. that’s some twisted rationale you have
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[wdmso]

Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile.

Seek help Jim I guess you missed 4years of Trumps bile. Oh wait I am positive you support his bile. Why else would you defend him endlessly
Seeing you feel he is a victim and people keep

smearing him, attacking him, investigating him.

That usually happens to Scumbags their like onions there’s layer after layer of deceit, lies, half truths, questionable business practices. The list is endless and not made up.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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There’s really no difference between Boston College and Saint John’s Prep in regards to their religious affiliation. Why is it OK to use tax dollars towards a BC education and not OK to use Tax Dollars towards a Saint John’s education?
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

There’s really no difference between Boston College and Saint John’s Prep in regards to their religious affiliation. Why is it OK to use tax dollars towards a BC education and not OK to use Tax Dollars towards a Saint John’s education?
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St. John's University is a Roman Catholic institution open to students of all faiths.

However it's not funded and owed by the catholic church or other Church .. an affiliation Allows them have the ethics and belief system of their religion built into available programs, student organizations, and daily life.. but students are not mandated to attend or hold the same religious beliefs to attend ,

So there are no public funds to finance religious instruction and indoctrination.

As I see it like this If ones School choice is Church owned and Run and financed by a church diocese.. like All Saints Catholic School in fall River whom accept any student regardless of belief.

Still no public moneys should be allowed to fund students to attend it due to its Ownership and funding control

[The Dad Fisherman]

Not Saint John’s University, Saint John’s Prep. A private middle/high school in Danvers MA.

They are pretty much the same as BC as far as affiliation.

Why is BC good, but SJP bad?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Sharpton has actually killed people with his bile.

Seek help Jim I guess you missed 4years of Trumps bile. Oh wait I am positive you support his bile. Why else would you defend him endlessly
Seeing you feel he is a victim and people keep

smearing him, attacking him, investigating him.

That usually happens to Scumbags their like onions there’s layer after layer of deceit, lies, half truths, questionable business practices. The list is endless and not made up.
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People were burned to death at a Sharpton hate rally. Yet he is revered on the left.

I've said 1,000 times Trump is a morally bankrupt person. But his policies helped the country. Two things can be true at the same time. Just because you're too simple-minded to grasp that, doesn't mean it isn't true.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

I would say all those schools are listed have a religious component but they are not tied or funded directly by the church and you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese

Unlike the schools you listed, you can be of a different religious denomination and still apply and gain admission so I would think federal monies could be excepted not violating the separation of church and state

Because those properties are not owned and operated by the church or churches or masjid or synagogue

But that’s only my opinion
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"you can go to those schools regardless of your religious beliefs unlike on the local level if you’re a Muslim, I don’t think you’re going to get into the local Catholic Protestant or Jewish private school, which are funded and owned by local diocese"

You have absolutely no clue what you're talking about. NONE. Paul and I went to the same exact catholic high school, there were Jews and Muslims there. Same with the school my son goes to now. There are also openly gay students at my sons catholic high school.

These local schools are not wholly funded by the churches. Parents pay tuition. The church kicks in some to be sure, but not nearly all. Not even close!

You're literally making up whatever horsesh-t fits your opinion, instead of letting actual facts form your opinion.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Why is BC good, but SJP bad?
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Because that indefensible position serves his agenda. That's the only reason why.

Of course whatever college his daughter went to, is suitable for public money to be diverted to him to help pay the cost.

Also, there are MANY private high schools that have no religious affiliation whatsoever. So what argument is there to no allow public money to help fund non-religious private schools? None.

Wayne, if your beef is with the religious component, you have zero standing to oppose school choice for private schools that are secular, which are everywhere.

[Jim in CT]

WDMSO, add to the list of things you don't understand, what "separation of church and state" means. It's very clear, what it means is that there is no official state religion. It does NOT mean that government and religion can never intersect. The nation was literally founded on religious principles.

Here's what that means to school choice. If the government said that public money can be used to fund catholic schools but not schools of other religions, THAT would be a violation of church and state. Letting people pick whatever religious school they wanted (or one of MANY private schools that have no religious affiliation) is not a violation of the separation of church and state.

Wrong again.

[Pete F.]

My favorite is you have people who go to an elected school board screaming they should have more of a say. Pulling their kids to go to a Catholic school. Where they're told the church runs this…..
We all know the church’s record with children.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

My favorite is you have people who go to an elected school board screaming they should have more of a say. Pulling their kids to go to a Catholic school. Where they're told the church runs this…..
We all know the church’s record with children.
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because there are are zero recorded instances of public school teachers abusing children. literally zero. in fact,,.there’s data to suggest kids are at much greater risk from teachers in public school than at risk to abuse by priests.

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/

[PaulS]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

because there are are zero recorded instances of public school teachers abusing children. literally zero. in fact,,.there’s data to suggest kids are at much greater risk from teachers in public school than at risk to abuse by priests.

https://go2tutors.com/teachers-more-likely-abuse-kids/

Well crafted article to confuse the reader. Can't draw any inference bc there are no footnotes and the writer tries to confuse the reader. Also the report was written in 2004 when the priest scandals where still coming to light.

The state report doesn't say it was from public school "teachers" yet the article claims "teachers". It also defines sexual misconduct much much broader than what would be considered illegal enough for a priest to get arrested so it is using a far lower bar and comparing apples to oranges. Says 1 in 10 will be subject to sexual "misconduct by an employee" yet later say only about 5% of sexual "abuse" is reported. Switching terms to confuse as misconduct is not abuse. A teacher would get in trouble for hugging a child (sexual misconduct) while a priest won't be arrested for that same action. Finally, there are many many more teachers than priests so need to compare on a per capita basis - again the article was written w/an agenda. Edit - any public school emp. who thinks someone did something inappropriate w/a child HAS to report that person or will be subject to firing at the least and prob. criminal charges - a person working in a parish is not subject to those requirements.


"Considering this, 10% (roughly 4.5 million children) of public school students have experienced some form of sexual misconduct by the time they graduate high school, yet of the 77.4 million Catholics in the United States, .01% reported claims of child sexual abuse (10,667 children). It has also been studied and concluded that about 4.4% of all clerics were known to sexually abuse children between 1946 and 2014, yet it is estimated that roughly 5% of men are pedophiles and those numbers do not even take into account the incidence of female sexual predators at all. These numbers make a harsh case against public school employees."

[PaulS]

a counter point article - prob. written by someone with the opposite agenda.

https://www.reddit.com/r/excatholic/...priests_thing/

The “teachers abuse more kids than priests” thing is bull#^&#^&#^&#^&
Sexual Abuse
Someone mentioned this here in another thread, and I was interested because literally today someone on Reddit had parroted this exact talking point to me. (One high-profile example: https://cathnews.co.nz/2011/04/08/se...-than-priests/ )

So I decided to look into it a little.

If you Google anything related to “teachers vs priests abuse” or similar words, you’ll get a bunch of articles by Catholic publications (or by Catholic opinion authors who are rephrasing statements put out by Catholic institutions). Even if you look closely at these pro-Catholic articles though the figures don’t add up:

No empirical data exists that suggests that Catholic clerics sexually abuse minors at a level higher than clerics from other religious traditions or from other groups of men who have ready access and power over children (e.g., school teachers, coaches).

(That’s from the first article that usually comes up when you Google the subject, https://www.psychologytoday.com/au/b...-abuse-fiction)

Which makes it look like the numbers are the same, except that he is referring to men, and over 75% of teachers in public schools are female. Obviously there are female abusers, but they are more rare than male ones, so statistically a public school is still safer.

Or this one:

”The physical sexual abuse of students in schools is likely more than 100 times the abuse by priests."

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/has-med...use-in-school/

Literally nothing given there to back that up, but even so, it doesn’t mention the fact that there are close to 200 times as many public school employees in the US as there are priests. Even if you are generous and narrow it down to teachers (discounting people like teacher’s aides and support staff who also have access to kids) the number is still around 100 to 1. So even if you are super generous with the numbers and take them at their word then it only comes up even, not 100 times worse like they’re implying.

Edit: I think they might have got the "100 times worse" number from the lady quoted in this article (https://www.edweek.org/leadership/se...inized/2004/03) who literally in the same article admits that her numbers are probably bull#^&#^&#^&#^&

Ms. Shakeshaft acknowledged that the accuracy of such comparisons might be thrown off by any number of factors, including undercounting of youngsters abused by priests. But that uncertainty only underscores the need for better research on the prevalence of sexual misconduct in the schools, she argued.

Most of the other stuff I found was just vague bull#^&#^&#^&#^&, more misleading stats (comparing actual reported clerical abuse rates to general estimates of “percentage of men who are predators”) and more whining about how unfairly they’d been treated by the media.

Anyway my point isn’t that teachers do not abuse kids (we need to be wary of predators in any field that allows access to children), just that Catholics are in love with this #^&#^&#^&#^&ing talking point even though it’s based on a bunch of misleading bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.

[Jim in CT]

Paul I make no claims to the validity of the data I provided. I assume it was published by a pro catholic advocate. My point was that sexual abuse is also a thing in public schools. Pete will never concede that because he's not interested in truth, only in serving The Narrative.

WDMSO said very explicitly that schools like Notre Dame High, our alma mater, are funded only by the church and that they don't let non-catholics attend.

I'm just trying to inject a tiny sliver of truth.

I'm Catholic, and I'm not in love with anything related to pedophilia. But I don't like it when the left only talks about abuse at the hands of priests. That's done to serve an agenda. And that's not defending the priests, lock them up for life. But let's also discuss abuse that happens at the hands of public school teachers, doctors, and other religions. If you follow the media, you'd assume it's only a Catholic problem. It's a larger societal problem.

My company writes a lot of professional liability insurance for hospitals, nursing homes, and public schools. Sex abuse claims are non-stop.

[PaulS]

every profession has issues w/abuse. The reason people have a huge problem with churches is that they hid it and claim to represent a higher authority and morals.

I am not Catholic (but am Christian) and while required to take religion class was never made to feel "less than" anyone in class. We all had to lead a prayer when it was our turn (can't remember if it was the beginning of the day or in religious class??) and I would either say the lord's prayer or give thanks for different things, etc. like I would do at a Thanksgiving meal.