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Old 09-18-2022, 04:33 PM   #91
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Tallahassee-based immigration attorney Elizabeth Ricci explains there's a "good faith argument" to be made that luring the migrants onto planes with the promise of jobs

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I heard they were told they'd get Obamaphones
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I always was amazed that Obama was so powerful that the first Obama phone was given out before he was even president.
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Since you’ve assured us that media tells you little or nothing, was that voices in your head telling you that or Jim whispering in your ear?
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Old 09-19-2022, 08:16 AM   #94
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NYC mayor Adams contact TX gov. office to see if they can be informed of the bus arrivals to be ready. TX said sorry not cruel enough.
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NYC mayor Adams contact TX gov. office to see if they can be informed of the bus arrivals to be ready. TX said sorry not cruel enough.
when Biden flies them around in the middle of the night, when mayor lightfoot ships them off to the suburbs, those are ok. when a republican does it? cruel.
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Old 09-19-2022, 01:37 PM   #96
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when Biden flies them around in the middle of the night, when mayor lightfoot ships them off to the suburbs, those are ok. when a republican does it? cruel.
You mean when Biden sends them to facilities where they can get treatment and stay versus those trashy Republican Governors who are sending them to small Islands who are not capable of dealing with an influx of immigrants? I got a laugh out of that comparison.
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You mean when Biden sends them to facilities where they can get treatment and stay versus those trashy Republican Governors who are sending them to small Islands who are not capable of dealing with an influx of immigrants? I got a laugh out of that comparison.
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Sure Paul. Tell that to the mayors of Chicago suburbs who Lightfoot dumped them on.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ill...-texas-suburbs

Look, I give the GOP a huge fat F on this issue. But as of today, it's the left that thinks it's virtuous to incentivize more illegals to come, the left who think it's virtuous to not deport them. Fine. You want 'em, you got 'em.
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NYC mayor Adams contact TX gov. office to see if they can be informed of the bus arrivals to be ready. TX said sorry not cruel enough.
I think it's totally reasonable for destinations to be given some advanced notice that it's happening. Do you have support for the statement that TX rejected the request for advanced notice? If that happened, Abbott deserves to be clubbed with that.
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https://gothamist.com/news/nyc-mayor...migrant-crisis

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott has refused to coordinate with New York on the asylum seekers he’s bused to the city since May, Mayor Eric Adams said Sunday, citing six more buses that arrived this morning.

Speaking on ABC’s This Week, Adams said moments of crisis call for coordination, but the city wasn’t being notified of when buses of migrant families were arriving.

“We reached out to Governor Abbott when we first discovered that he was compelling people to get on the bus, he was tagging them. He was sending them on a 45-hour ride, without any proper food, water or medical care,” Adams said. “We've reached out and stated [to say] let's coordinate and work together so we can deal with this crisis together. They refused to do so.”




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Migrants who were flown to Martha's Vineyard as part of an anti-liberal political stunt by Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis were given brochures falsely promising cash assistance, job placement services, and more, according to their lawyers.


The Boston-headquartered Lawyers for Civil Rights, which is representing about 30 of the immigrants flown to Martha's Vineyard, shared links to photos of the brochure via Twitter. The group says the migrants received the brochure "at some point during their expulsion and relocation from Texas & Florida."
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The San Antonio sheriff is launching a criminal probe into DeSantis’s kidnapping operation:

“What infuriates me most in this case is that we have 48 people who are already on hard times, they are here legally…and I believe they were preyed upon.”
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It’s called human trafficking.
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DeSantis announced that Florida is some kind of awful place and Massachusetts is heaven? I mean, if he says so, but not sure that’s a good message for Florida.

DeSantis says migrants sent to Martha's Vineyard 'hit the jackpot'
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The San Antonio sheriff is launching a criminal probe into DeSantis’s kidnapping operation:

“What infuriates me most in this case is that we have 48 people who are already on hard times, they are here legally…and I believe they were preyed upon.”
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Laura Ingraham was all over this sheriff calling him woke and suddenly doesn’t have respect for law enforcement or the rule of law not really a surprise . With conservatives who love to accuse Biden and Dems for weaponizing the DOJ …

I say tell Republicans to stop breaking the law .
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Laura Ingraham was all over this sheriff calling him woke and suddenly doesn’t have respect for law enforcement or the rule of law not really a surprise .

I say tell Republicans to stop breaking the law .
hmmmm....can we believe the 16 or 17 FBI whistleblowers?
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What we understand is a Venezuelan migrant was paid a bird-dog fee to recruit 50 migrants

Seems bird dog fees are illegal in Texas

Iowa Rep. Steve King's analogy that allowing certain immigrants into the United States is like selecting quality dogs

What’s truly amazing this comment is from 2012. Just showing Republicans haven’t evolved on the immigration issue. They don’t want it fixed


Plus U.S. arrests along Mexico border top 2 million a year for first time

So we arrested 2millon which means Stopped ! But Republicans claim we have open borders

I bet if those 50 migrants landed in Florida from Cuba Ron would have given them all hugs and hand shakes for escaping communist or socialist rule

But the Republican base are so uninformed they have no idea Venezuela is ruled by Nicolás Maduro. And a country they always insist America is turning into under democrats


We're aimed at a singular mission, ensuring that the Venezuelan people get the democracy that they so richly deserved," U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said Sunday on CNN.

President Trump and his supporters boast of the president's leadership in confronting Mr. Maduro,


The Republican National Committee on Thursday took a heavy swipe at Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez – the 28-year-old Latina who unseated a long-serving Democratic congressman in New York’s June primary – comparing her to Venezuelan strongman Nicolás Maduro.


Yep Republicans dishonesty has no limits
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hmmmm....can we believe the 16 or 17 FBI whistleblowers?
Still in denial …. There’s an old saying

If one person calls you an ass, ignore them. If five people call you an ass, buy a saddle”.

Trumps got a lot more than 5 people all saying the same thing

Must be that pesky deep state of yours hard at work
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it’s human trafficking for the government to transport people
who break the law, from one place to another? the government never does that?

I’m curious, what do you think we should do with these people? i think we’re on track to surpass over 2 million illegals caught by border patrol for 2022. Two million in one year. . where would you put them? what would you do with them?

i don’t like human suffering any more then anybody else does, but we can’t feed the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. There are limits.

How’d you like to be a land owner in southern texas and having to watch trespassers crap on your lawn every single day?
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Still in denial …. There’s an old saying

If one person calls you an ass, ignore them. If five people call you an ass, buy a saddle”.

Trumps got a lot more than 5 people all saying the same thing

Must be that pesky deep state of yours hard at work

I didn't mention trump....

maybe you need a saddle....
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I didn't mention trump....

maybe you need a saddle....
Scott why even comment? If all you do is claim you did mention or imply anything!
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it’s human trafficking for the government to transport people
who break the law, from one place to another? the government never does that?

I’m curious, what do you think we should do with these people? i think we’re on track to surpass over 2 million illegals caught by border patrol for 2022. Two million in one year. . where would you put them? what would you do with them?

i don’t like human suffering any more then anybody else does, but we can’t There are limits.

How’d you like to be a land owner in southern texas and having to watch trespassers crap on your lawn every single day?
Who broke the law Jim those people were in the states legally do you not understand how our laws work?

Only conservatives think 2 million people are staying in America thanks to Biden. Hence the term caught Even if they all stayed 2 million in a country of 300 million is like peeing in the ocean then claiming it will turn it yellow


FYI the USA has been feeding the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. for 100 years . It’s what Makes America the greatest country on Earth ..

But Republicans are afraid their white European existence is being diminished . And do what they have always done attack those who are different
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The Venezuelans whom DeSantis flew to Martha’s Vineyard were in the United States seeking asylum. They followed U.S. law. They are not 'illegal aliens.'
They are here legally, if you disagree with the law perhaps you can find support for changing it.
Some think that the type of person who gets themselves out of a dangerous situation, walks thousands of miles through potential hostile territory, all to create a life with stability, security, and opportunity, will probably be a very productive member of whatever society welcomes them.
But many Republicans are cynical people lacking in basic human empathy. As such, they think any act of kindness by others must be a con, because that's what it'd be if they were doing it.
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Who broke the law Jim those people were in the states legally do you not understand how our laws work?

Only conservatives think 2 million people are staying in America thanks to Biden. Hence the term caught Even if they all stayed 2 million in a country of 300 million is like peeing in the ocean then claiming it will turn it yellow


FYI the USA has been feeding the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. for 100 years . It’s what Makes America the greatest country on Earth ..

But Republicans are afraid their white European existence is being diminished . And do what they have always done attack those who are different
OK, I'm sorry, they crossed the border illegally but are now temporarily here legally. You knew what I meant.

What would you suggest we do, with 2 million people a year who cross illegally? The Washington Post says there were 2 million illegal crossings in just the past 11 months, when we've never had a full year over 2 million before. What would you do with them all? (Answer: whatever MSNBC tells you we should do with them).

"Even if they all stayed 2 million in a country of 300 million is like peeing in the ocean then claiming it will turn it yellow "

(1) it's 2 million IN ONE YEAR. Not 2 million for all time. If that number was so digestable, why did Chicago and Marthas Vineyard get rid of them so quickly? Why don't these liberal enclaves want these people? Seems like they should want them to stay?

"FYI the USA has been feeding the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. for 100 years . It’s what Makes America the greatest country on Earth"

We don't do it for every single person on the planet. There are limits.

Easy to lob insults. Try something harder, try telling us what you'd do with 2 million illegals a year.

"But Republicans are afraid their white European existence is being diminished . And do what they have always done attack those who are different"

Ah, the race card, the last desperate ploy of a liberal losing the argument. The GOP is in favor of legal immigration. Especially now, since it looks like Latinos are shifting right. But you keep spouting nonsense and then screaming "racism" when you get called out for it. It's a great strategy.
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OK, I'm sorry, they crossed the border illegally but are now temporarily here legally. You knew what I meant.

What would you suggest we do, with 2 million people a year who cross illegally? The Washington Post says there were 2 million illegal crossings in just the past 11 months, when we've never had a full year over 2 million before. What would you do with them all? (Answer: whatever MSNBC tells you we should do with them).

"Even if they all stayed 2 million in a country of 300 million is like peeing in the ocean then claiming it will turn it yellow "

(1) it's 2 million IN ONE YEAR. Not 2 million for all time. If that number was so digestable, why did Chicago and Marthas Vineyard get rid of them so quickly? Why don't these liberal enclaves want these people? Seems like they should want them to stay?

"FYI the USA has been feeding the world,,educate the world, provide healthcare to the world. for 100 years . It’s what Makes America the greatest country on Earth"

We don't do it for every single person on the planet. There are limits.

There are limits Jim and the law prescribes those limits and procedures. It’s Republicans who wish not to fix the problem they insist exist

Easy to lob insults. Try something harder, try telling us what you'd do with 2 million illegals a year. There are not 2 million staying in America but keep insisting that’s what happening

"But Republicans are afraid their white European existence is being diminished . And do what they have always done attack those who are different"

Ah, the race card, no Jim it’s called the truth you should try it .

Why do you still insist they came crossed illegally Even law enforcement states these people were here legally. They were documented. They had the right to walk around the streets free and not be transported across the country for it to be a media event. That's a tragedy. That is at worst some type of crime. We're going to look at what extent of the law we can hold people accountable."

But conservatives only want accountability for whom they disagree with. while covering for the crimes of those they agree and support with out question, no matter how horrible

The pages of American history are full of recent Republicans examples of brotherly love
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Why do you still insist they came crossed illegally Even law enforcement states these people were here legally. They were documented. They had the right to walk around the streets free and not be transported across the country for it to be a media event. That's a tragedy. That is at worst some type of crime. We're going to look at what extent of the law we can hold people accountable."

But conservatives only want accountability for whom they disagree with. while covering for the crimes of those they agree and support with out question, no matter how horrible

The pages of American history are full of recent Republicans examples of brotherly love
"There are limits Jim and the law prescribes those limits and procedures. It’s Republicans who wish not to fix the problem they insist exist"

And the fact that 2 million will come illegally, makes the limits prescribed by law, moot.

"There are not 2 million staying in America but keep insisting that’s what happening"

They stay here until they get deported, if that happens. In teh meantime, they need a place to live and food and medical care and social services and schools. When Obama put them in cages, not a peep. When Trump used the same exact cages, it was a crime against humanity.

"no Jim it’s called the truth you should try it ."

It's "your" truth. Not "the" truth. Which side want school choice? Which side implemented criminal justice reform?
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You can’t debate whataboutism Jim, the thread was about Ron’s political stunt, which is about to backfire and Jim is time traveling as he is apt to do when he can’t win the debate.
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Desantis’ office has copies of consent forms reportedly signed by every immigrant he shipped to the vineyard.

Do kidnapping victims, and human trafficking victims, typically sign documents affirming their consent to being kidnapped?

If liberals believe what they claim to believe ( and they absolutely do not in this issue) they’d welcome these people with open arms, instead of getting them out of their sight as soon as possible.

“we love illegal immigrants, as long as we never have to see one.”
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Desantis’ office has copies of consent forms reportedly signed by every immigrant he shipped to the vineyard.

Do kidnapping victims, and human trafficking victims, typically sign documents affirming their consent to being kidnapped?

If liberals believe what they claim to believe ( and they absolutely do not in this issue) they’d welcome these people with open arms, instead of getting them out of their sight as soon as possible.

“we love illegal immigrants, as long as we never have to see one.”
They were lured into the trip with bogus flyers listing bogus promises.
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Desantis’ office has copies of consent forms reportedly signed by every immigrant he shipped to the vineyard.

Do kidnapping victims, and human trafficking victims, typically sign documents affirming their consent to being kidnapped?

If liberals believe what they claim to believe ( and they absolutely do not in this issue) they’d welcome these people with open arms, instead of getting them out of their sight as soon as possible.

“we love illegal immigrants, as long as we never have to see one.”
Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL), when asked why the state paid to transport migrants from Texas instead of from Florida:

“The problem is we’re not seeing mass movements of them into Florida … It’s just coming in onesie-twosies.”
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“The problem is we’re not seeing mass movements of them into Florida … It’s just coming in onesie-twosies.”
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That statement was shocking, I thought everyone wants to go to Florida.
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