so much for Biden’s plan to defeat Covid

[Jim in CT]

i’d like to hear Biden and Faucci tell
me more about what I should do.

Personally, i don’t feel
biden is responsible for all of the good or bad that happens in his first year, as he inherits a lot of
momentum on such things

but the lefties here give him credit for every job created, for every stock that goes up, and never dream of
blaming him for anything bad that happens.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-cov...UfJQnmJCoextbI

[Raider Ronnie]

Follow the $$$$$$$$$$$
That’s the only plan they had from the start.
You think any members of Congress & others in power in Washington own huge shares in pharmaceutical companies ???
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[Pete F.]

When Stephen Colbert was talking about Pfizer’s new Covid drug, he said that most of the people who would need it would be anti-vaxxers, & that they would have to actually take it for it to work…
“So the administration has renamed it to: Dr. Lindell’s Magic Horse Elixir”
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[spence]

This thread is stupid. Jim, Biden inherited covid deaths as they were peaking nationwide and before vaccination rates were that high, it dropped significantly and now we have had another huge push with delta.

You've officially eclipsed Pete. Do you want a sash and scepter?

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by spence

This thread is stupid. Jim, Biden inherited covid deaths as they were peaking nationwide and before vaccination rates were that high, it dropped significantly and now we have had another huge push with delta.

You've officially eclipsed Pete. Do you want a sash and scepter?

"Biden inherited covid deaths as they were peaking nationwide"

Which is what I said, if you had read it.

He also inherited decreasing unemployment and a vaccine infastructure that was jabbing a million people a day. But you lefties here give him full credit for creating those jobs and for the vaccines. Have you ever said Biden inherited good jobs growth and vaccine infastructure form Trump? I'd bet not.

So according to you, he gets credit for the good things he inherited, but no blame for the challenges he inherited? Sounds reasonable.

Here's what I wrote, I guess it went over your head...

i don’t feel biden is responsible for all of the good or bad that happens in his first year, as he inherits a lot of momentum on such things

[scottw]

Originally Posted by spence

This thread is stupid. Jim, Biden inherited covid deaths as they were peaking nationwide and before vaccination rates were that high, it dropped significantly and now we have had another huge push with delta.

You've officially eclipsed Pete. Do you want a sash and scepter?

he said he had a plan....plan isn't really working

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by scottw

he said he had a plan....plan isn't really working

when does his plan take effect? when does biden own the results?

spence’s answer - after we have a cure.
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[Pete F.]

New documents show Trump Admin silenced CDC at start of pandemic, tried to alter expert scientific reports, and then tried to delete evidence they were doing so.

We were the most prepared nation in the world but now more than 750,000 Americans have died.
Meanwhile if Biden said that you shouldn’t hold your breath, over half of Texas would die
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

New documents show Trump Admin silenced CDC at start of pandemic, tried to alter expert scientific reports, and then tried to delete evidence they were doing so.

We were the most prepared nation in the world but now more than 750,000 Americans have died.
Meanwhile if Biden said that you shouldn’t hold your breath, over half of Texas would die
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how many americans were getting vaccinated per day, on the day biden took over, pete? Zero? Or a million?

go do some more selective editing to make it seem like Tim Scott is a klansmen.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

how many americans were getting vaccinated per day, on the day biden took over, pete? Zero? Or a million?

go do some more selective editing to make it seem like Tim Scott is a klansmen.
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As the media you believe in would say, as reported today, Tim Scott is reportedly a Klansman
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

As the media you believe in would say, as reported today, Tim Scott is reportedly a Klansman
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pete you got caught editing words to
make a republican look like he was saying something other than what he actually said.

you constantly reply to things no one ever said.

if your beliefs are so flimsy that you have to physically alter the words that someone else said before you can respond, what does that say about your beliefs?

Nothing good.

EVEN YOU know you couldn’t reply to what Cawthorn actually said. So you changed his words.

You’re a complete fraud.
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[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

pete you got caught editing words to
make a republican look like he was saying something other than what he actually said.

you constantly reply to things no one ever said.

if your beliefs are so flimsy that you have to physically alter the words that someone else said before you can respond, what does that say about your beliefs?

Nothing good.

EVEN YOU know you couldn’t reply to what Cawthorn actually said. So you changed his words.

You’re a complete fraud.
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Once again you claim baloney
The representative you claim to be an example of moral rectitude?
A typical example of the type of leader you glorify

Madison Cawthorn was a 21-year-old freshman at a conservative Christian college when he spoke at chapel, testifying about his relationship with God. He talked emotionally about the day a car accident left him partially paralyzed and reliant on a wheelchair.

Cawthorn said a close friend had crashed the car in which he was a passenger and fled the scene, leaving him to die “in a fiery tomb.” Cawthorn was “declared dead,” he said in the 2017 speech at Patrick Henry College. He said he told doctors that he expected to recover and that he would “be at the Naval Academy by Christmas.”

Key parts of Cawthorn’s talk, however, were not true. The friend, Bradley Ledford, who has not previously spoken publicly about the chapel speech, said in an interview that Cawthorn’s account was false and that he pulled Cawthorn from the wreckage. An accident report obtained by The Washington Post said Cawthorn was “incapacitated,” not that he was declared dead. Cawthorn himself said in a lawsuit deposition, first reported by the news outlet AVL Watchdog, that he had been rejected by the Naval Academy before the crash.
Shortly after the speech, Cawthorn dropped out of the college after a single semester of mostly D’s, he said in the deposition, which was taken as part of a court case regarding insurance. Later, more than 150 former students signed a letter accusing him of being a sexual predator, which Cawthorn has denied.

Yet four years after Cawthorn spoke at the chapel, the portrait he sketched of his life provided the framework for his election in November as the youngest member of the U.S. House at the minimum age of 25 years old. A campaign video ad repeated his false claim that the car wreck had derailed his plans to attend the Naval Academy.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

Talk about cherry-picking

There are only 2 reasons to open carry an assault rifle: to intimidate members of the public and to hunt people. In fact, even open-carrying a handgun is asinine the idea started with "it's good to be armed to defend yourself against a shooter." But of course, if you're eating at Luby's, and an active shooter comes in & sees you with a gun, you're the first one he'll shoot. It's those with *concealed* guns that offer protection *because* it was open carry, was the beginning, middle, end of this entire tragedy.
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I stated that the open carry thing was "a glaring problem, among the other glowing embers of problems". I didn't want to take the time and effort to get into the other problems. I have done that with you many times in the past--critiquing your posts line by line. Didn't want to get into the various weeds here, but stick to his point. What you selected from the article here "There are only 2 reasons to open carry an assault rifle" is one of those glowing embers. There are more than two reasons. Eichenwald is making himself the arbiter of reasons in order to make his point sound more plausible.

Is Eichenwald saying that those dozens of others carrying so--called "assault" rifles was "to intimidate members of the public and to hunt people"? If so, why weren't they attacked? And if you're going to be in a situation in which several people are armed and openly carrying, "assault" rifles or other guns, wouldn't a reason to be carrying one yourself be to protect yourself, either by "intimidation" or force if necessary?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

I stated that the open carry thing was "a glaring problem, among the other glowing embers of problems". I didn't want to take the time and effort to get into the other problems. I have done that with you many times in the past--critiquing your posts line by line. Didn't want to get into the various weeds here, but stick to his point. What you selected from the article here "There are only 2 reasons to open carry an assault rifle" is one of those glowing embers. There are more than two reasons. Eichenwald is making himself the arbiter of reasons in order to make his point sound more plausible.

Is Eichenwald saying that those dozens of others carrying so--called "assault" rifles was "to intimidate members of the public and to hunt people"? If so, why weren't they attacked? And if you're going to be in a situation in which several people are armed and openly carrying, "assault" rifles or other guns, wouldn't a reason to be carrying one yourself be to protect yourself, either by "intimidation" or force if necessary?

The same reason individual’s never stop groups of vigilantes
Of course carried to its logical end, your theory of everyone being armed is good, will get us to where?
The third world country you dream of America becoming?
Tribes fighting in the streets, if you want that take a trip to Africa
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

The same reason individual’s never stop groups of vigilantes

Don't know to which question you're responding to. It's obvious to me that Rittenhouse was carrying his weapon (the only gun he owned or had access to) for self protection. If the only or real reason he was attacked is that he was openly carrying, that doesn't square with the dozens of others openly carrying not being attacked.

Of course carried to its logical end, your theory of everyone being armed is good, will get us to where?

It's not my theory. I don't own a gun. But the theory has merits. The theory that it would lead to the "wild West" doesn't consistently hold historical water. It might be more plausible that settlement into the West was made more possible by most being armed. The long arm of government law took a while to be efficiently and functionally established. And when it was, it was often corrupted and needed defense against it.

It also seems apparent to me, that when the government law allows dangerous things like riots to go fairly unimpeded, the citizens have to protect themselves or have their lives destroyed.

The third world country you dream of America becoming?

WTF? I've never had such a dream. Where do you get this bull$hit? Are you eating some funny mushrooms?

As for guns in the third world--none is as heavily armed as America. And many in that world wish that they had guns and lots of ammo because they are at the mercy of both the legal and illegal predators.

Tribes fighting in the streets, if you want that take a trip to Africa
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Yeah, Africa is a good example. Ask the unarmed Christians in North Africa.

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Yeah, Africa is a good example. Ask the unarmed Christians in North Africa.

No, Rittenhouse was not carrying his weapon for self protection, he choose to put himself in that position, as a “medic” with a gun?
If the poor lad had gone there without a firearm, he would not be labeled as a killer, no one would have died.
He made a conscious choice, with the guidance of his mother, an adult I assume, to put himself into this situation.
Are you claiming that people no longer assume personal responsibility for their actions, if’s the other parties fault as long as it’s the other party
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

No, Rittenhouse was not carrying his weapon for self protection, he choose to put himself in that position, as a “medic” with a gun?

So, what are you saying. He brought the gun because he wanted to shoot somebody? He wanted hunt for somebody to shoot?

If the poor lad had gone there without a firearm, he would not be labeled as a killer, no one would have died.

How the hell do you know that? How the hell do you know that the gun was not for self protection? You just have to say something and anything that passes through your lips is irrefutable truth?

He made a conscious choice, with the guidance of his mother, an adult I assume, to put himself into this situation.

So, with your irrefutable lips, you are saying he made a conscious choice to be attacked in order to have an alibi to shoot somebody?

Are you claiming that people no longer assume personal responsibility for their actions, if’s the other parties fault as long as it’s the other party
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Are you claiming that 17 year old Rittenhouse was the only person there who had agency and responsibility for his actions? That he didn't belong there? That he had no reason to react to the riots. And that all the rioters had the sole right and reason to be there because it was a riot and they were the rioters? And why the hell should anybody but a rioter have any reason or cause to be there? That the rioters did not need to justify their presence at the riot nor be required to explain why they brought weapons because they were the rioters and so obviously they need not explain their presence nor have to assume any responsibility for their actions? That because they were the justified rioters, not the "other," that it was Rittenhouse's fault because he is the "other" party.

You're full of some insane crap.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by detbuch

Are you claiming that 17 year old Rittenhouse was the only person there who had agency and responsibility for his actions? That he didn't belong there? That he had no reason to react to the riots. And that all the rioters had the sole right and reason to be there because it was a riot and they were the rioters? And why the hell should anybody but a rioter have any reason or cause to be there? That the rioters did not need to justify their presence at the riot nor be required to explain why they brought weapons because they were the rioters and so obviously they need not explain their presence nor have to assume any responsibility for their actions? That because they were the justified rioters, not the "other," that it was Rittenhouse's fault because he is the "other" party.

You're full of some insane crap.

well yes....rittenhouse is the ONLY person that should not have been there....everything else that was going on that night was perfectly fine and normal....if rittenhouse had not been there his attackers would not have been triggered to attack him and so it is rittenhouse's fault that they are dead...if he had not been armed he might be dead...and that would be his own fault as well, for being there, despite not breaking any laws

this is the nonsense pete and spence are clinging to...it is truly insane

[Jim in CT]

pete, rosenbaum threatened him. if that violent sociopath has left that child
alone, we would t be having this conversation.
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[Pete F.]

If you think that Y’all Queda is the solution to issues in America, it won’t be long before you have The States of Ameristan.
You already have former White House appointees claiming “ Michael Flynn says that covid was intentionally released on the world by “Global Elites,” but “their little plan with covid didn’t work” because “digital warriors” exposed the truth. Now he says the “elites” are about to unleash another virus to control the population.”
And MTG who voted against giving Capital Police a congressional medal wants to give Kyle one.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Pete F.

If you think that Y’all Queda is the solution to issues in America, it won’t be long before you have The States of Ameristan.
You already have former White House appointees claiming “ Michael Flynn says that covid was intentionally released on the world by “Global Elites,” but “their little plan with covid didn’t work” because “digital warriors” exposed the truth. Now he says the “elites” are about to unleash another virus to control the population.”
And MTG who voted against giving Capital Police a congressional medal wants to give Kyle one.
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happy thanksgiving Pete!
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