Black Salties could ease the no live herring dilemma

[Pt.JudeJoe]

Black Salties , goldfish like , live bait will be available in bait shops this spring. They are hardy fresh water fish that can live up to 2 hours in salt water. From what I'm told they can be taken to the shore in a bucket with some 02 tabs in it and of course a live well in a boat. They come in different sizes, some big for stripers and smaller ones for fluke. The big ones (5 in or so) will be about 1.50 just about the same as an eel. I know they work cuz a 50 lb striper was taken on one last year.

[JohnR]

SSSSSHHHH!!!!!!!

[jim sylvester]

www.blacksalty.com


they are the new thing...even though they caught on strong last year

[Krispy]

Rigged Salties are $11

[zimmy]

I am a fan of farm raised bait, but I have a concern with black salties. Won't be a preoblem in the salt, but what happens to a freshwater lake when a bunch of these come off the hook or get dumped... I would like it if they came with a self destruct button.

[zimmy]

just saw they are illegal in freshwater in Ca and FL...

[Sweetwater]

Originally Posted by zimmy

I am a fan of farm raised bait, but I have a concern with black salties. Won't be a preoblem in the salt, but what happens to a freshwater lake when a bunch of these come off the hook or get dumped... I would like it if they came with a self destruct button.

I'm with you on this one. Too many "exotics" (plants and fish) are really causing havoc. Everyone...PLEASE use common sense and be careful!

[choggieman]

Basswipe, you hit the nail on the head! CaptDom, thank you for allaying my fears of non-native species over taking bodies of water.
Too many horror shows have come to be by bringing in species that are not part of the eco system and having them destroy the native species through predation or even simple competition for food.

[Nebe]

real fishermen use artificials

[eelman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

real fishermen use artificials

And live bait fisherman catch fish

[Clammer]

& country western woman are awesome

[fishaholic18]

Originally Posted by Clammer

& country western woman are awesome

Ride 'em cowboy..

[RIROCKHOUND]

Real fisherman like Block Island Jeff use their bare hands...

Dom... good to hear Sammy is carrying these.... congrats on the 50 last year... I live on that spot/area in May-June... never gave it a thought in October....

[CaptDom]

Hey Bryan,

Thanks for the congrat wishes, You probably threw countless casts there all year, I was just in the right place right time. That fish had 2 trailers with it, so keep at it later in the year, you might get 1 of his buddies! There was a big run of larger fish that whole week, I got mine the night before that big noreaster.

Navy Chief, I understand your concerns, but this fish would have an extremely difficult time establishing itself in any body of water where a predatory fish resides. There are situations where non native species can actually benefit an ecosystem. Take for the prime example, the Large and Small mouth basses. These are actually members of the sunfish family, and due to their popularity, were introduced as non native species all over the world, with great success. The striped bass has been introduced to many larger freshwater impoundments with great success as well, and these are predatory, top of the food chain fish. People need to understand that man has already imbalanced the natural distribution of ecosystems on land and in water, so almost all habitats have some sort of non native species in it. There is no way we can go back to the way it was before man meddled, but we can certainly use knowledge, science, and responsibility to stregthen certain habitats by introducing forage species and predator species that will flourish without dramatically altering or harming in any way that particular ecosystem. These fish would only help supply forage if by some dramatic circumstances were introduced, whether purposely or by accident into fresh water.( A scenario that in my opinion would be very very unlikely)

This fish has been used in many states with freshwater bodies for some time now, and it has only improved the fishing. Recreational fishing is a 60 billion $$ plus economy with well over 40 million participants. These fish will take great pressure off a strained baitfish population, a good thing as pogies, eels, and herring are in serious trouble.

[choggieman]

bravo parker650! It is amazing to me how some can be so ignorant and claim its just a fish. Apparently they have no idea the ramifications that non native species can have on ecosystems.. Fish it in the slat and ban it in fresh, easy enuf!

[choggieman]

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, how would you feel if you found out that black salties only preyed upon eels when they were in freshwater- further depleting the american eel stocks?

[TheSpecialist]

Like others have sai, most nonnative species get introduced by people who buy a fish from the pet store, not realizing it will eat every other fish in the tank, or that it will grow to enormous proportions. They then release them into a pond, cause god forbidyou should toss it downthe toilet or into the garden.
It's very simple.

Angler, "I'd like some Black salties please."

Bait Proprieter, "Going for some monster stripers eh?"

Angler, "Well I was planning on using them in goldfish pond for some lunker largemouth."

Bait Proprieter, " Sorry I can only sell these for use as saltwater baitfish, they are illegal for freshwater, may I suggest these monster shinersfor your type of fishing."


The purchaser has been warned.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by choggieman

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, how would you feel if you found out that black salties only preyed upon eels when they were in freshwater- further depleting the american eel stocks?

Your reaching, give me a break.Goldfish eating eels now.......

[choggieman]

ok, lets say they feed on the same things the eels do, but multiply rapidly and eat all the feed..........

[spence]

I did a little research...here is a Black Salty after 3 months in a tidal river.



-spence

[eelman]

Originally Posted by spence

I did a little research...here is a Black Salty after 3 months in a tidal river.



-spence

[eelman]

Originally Posted by choggieman

ok, lets say they feed on the same things the eels do, but multiply rapidly and eat all the feed..........

Lets say you should be on someones couch.You have issues that are beyond me.......seek help........I dont think that deep, and to be honest There are more important things to worry about..Like how big a livewell I need

[choggieman]

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, my issues are with ignorant people who have no reguard for the enviroment. Anybody who does not take into consideration his actions and how they will affect there surroundings is a simpleton. Someone who would do something that is potentially hazardous to an ecosystem without reguard to the long term effect is an ass. I guess a simple mind will think " how big a livewell I will need" where as the rest of the world may ask " what will my happen if this fish is introduced into an ecosystem and wreaks havoc upon it."
My example of the black salty competing with the american eel was just that, an example of what could happen. A more realistic scenario would be to say these fish become a predator of striped bass eggs in a spawning ground like the susquehanna flats. Without thinking before hand you set yourself up for certain failure.
As for being on someones couch..its ignoramuses like you that may land me there some day. Simple minds like yours drive me insane. The inane drivel reminds me of when I worked with the special olympics. But I guess if we didn't have people who think like you, we wouldn't have anyone to dig ditches.

[eelman]

Originally Posted by choggieman

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&, my issues are with ignorant people who have no reguard for the enviroment. Anybody who does not take into consideration his actions and how they will affect there surroundings is a simpleton. Someone who would do something that is potentially hazardous to an ecosystem without reguard to the long term effect is an ass. I guess a simple mind will think " how big a livewell I will need" where as the rest of the world may ask " what will my happen if this fish is introduced into an ecosystem and wreaks havoc upon it."
My example of the black salty competing with the american eel was just that, an example of what could happen. A more realistic scenario would be to say these fish become a predator of striped bass eggs in a spawning ground like the susquehanna flats. Without thinking before hand you set yourself up for certain failure.
As for being on someones couch..its ignoramuses like you that may land me there some day. Simple minds like yours drive me insane. The inane drivel reminds me of when I worked with the special olympics. But I guess if we didn't have people who think like you, we wouldn't have anyone to dig ditches.

Ok so a guy walks into a tackle shop and says "I would like a dozen Black Salties" Clerk says "Sure" Then the guy hesitates, puts his hand to his head, takes a big puff on his pipe, furls his eye brows and says.."Wait a minute there young fella", "before you load one goldfish into that bucket , I have some deep rooted concerns that just became apparent to me in an epifany"

Clerk looks at his comrades and shakes his head "uh-oh".........

Yes sir! the clerk says! "I am afraid to use those goldfish" " In the two seconds I have been here my mind has begun racing with the thought of the ecosystem degrading into the abyss if I dare to hook one of those things, there could be grave imminant danger to the fragile ecosystem,! "because I am an adult, but I have a tendancy to dump untold numbers of baitfish into freshwater areas after I am done fishing" "I cant help myself, Introducing goldfish like baitfishes to these places is an urge I cannot resist" "Therefore I simply cannot purchase these in good faith"........."I lay awake at night with mishevious thoughts and visions of marouding goldfish eating untold numbers of bass eggs on the flats someplace"

Accoring to you the above is how a "normal person thinks" most will not be stupid enough to toss them into fresh water



You know I never dug a ditch, plenty of fence post holes but never a ditch.Simple minds? Please never underestimate the power of the handicap!

I am indeed a savant! A "bass-savant" I have been gifted with the ability to catch large numbers of huge linesides My narrow shallow mind tells me Black Salties will catch untold numbers of bass, I can't think beyond that, My livewell is to small, somebody please help me, I need a new livewell, please can you help me out.....I just want to catch fish.


The simple one here is you.........Where in any of my posts did I say "I dont care about the enviroment? I just think a shrink can help you with your goldfish problem....


By the way, people who dig ditches have more respect from me than people who wear a suit and tie and steal money from people..Like big oil.........I know a few guys who put there kids though higher education from digging holes...Hard work. There the real people!You dont measure a man by what he does for a living, you have just offended ditch diggers near and wide


Go live line a Choggie...................