Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating

     

Left Nav S-B Home Register FAQ Members List S-B on Facebook Arcade WEAX Tides Buoys Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read Right Nav

Left Container Right Container
 

Go Back   Striper Talk Striped Bass Fishing, Surfcasting, Boating » Striper Chat - Discuss stuff other than fishing ~ The Scuppers and Political talk » Political Threads

Political Threads This section is for Political Threads - Enter at your own risk. If you say you don't want to see what someone posts - don't read it :hihi:

 
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 06-21-2019, 08:46 AM   #31
Got Stripers
Ledge Runner Baits
iTrader: (0)
 
Got Stripers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
Posts: 8,383
No you need to be a family member or work for Fox News.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Got Stripers is online now  
Old 06-21-2019, 09:55 AM   #32
Jim in CT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post
Having a leader who doesn’t read, doesn’t like or believe what he hears in briefings, governs by tweet and even goes so far as to warn Iran we are about to strike is NOT how this situation gets diffused. IF that drone was downed in international airspace a strong president would have immediately responded militarily, Trump is a paper Twitter tiger, growls loudly, but has no claws or bite. He brought this on himself and he is clueless on how to deal with it. Middle East problems demand understanding, diplomacy and military strategy which escapes Trump across the board.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
we’ve had every conceiveable kind
if president over my lifetime, none has done
anything to improve things there. so i can point to what all of them have done since jimmy carter, and what kind of president they were? and conclude that every single one of them failed miserable at getting Iran in line. we’ve tried everything except invading, and nothing has worked ( not supporting invasion, just saying that intellectual
articulate presidents also failed regarding iran).

Let’s not pretend Trump caused this, or that his personality is making it much worse than it was. they’re a rogue state that sponsors terrorists and helps them kill innocent people. none of our presidents has changed that much.

obama tried to pay them off, howd that work out?

the problem isn’t trump. it’s iran. our friendship with israel, who Iran hates, makes it very tricky.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Jim in CT is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 09:57 AM   #33
Jim in CT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,428
we should draft condaleeza rice into service, and lock her in a room with the mullahs until they work it out.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Jim in CT is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 10:22 AM   #34
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post
IF that drone was downed in international airspace a strong president would have immediately responded militarily, Trump is a paper Twitter tiger, growls loudly, but has no claws or bite.
I'm sure there's gamesmanship on both sides. Dialing in a retaliatory strike is easier said than done. As much as you can point to Iran's bad behavior the situation as it stands today was engineered to coerce concessions and Iran will likely be seen as being bullied regardless of what we do. That to a large degree is a product of the Trump admin's recent policy and driven by the Iran hawks he's given the keys to. I can't believe if Mattis was still Sec Def we'd be approaching the situation in the same manner.
spence is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 10:27 AM   #35
Jim in CT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
I'm sure there's gamesmanship on both sides. Dialing in a retaliatory strike is easier said than done. As much as you can point to Iran's bad behavior the situation as it stands today was engineered to coerce concessions and Iran will likely be seen as being bullied regardless of what we do. That to a large degree is a product of the Trump admin's recent policy and driven by the Iran hawks he's given the keys to. I can't believe if Mattis was still Sec Def we'd be approaching the situation in the same manner.
i find
myself missing Mattis and Condaleeza Rice.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Jim in CT is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 01:19 PM   #36
wdmso
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Somerset MA
Posts: 9,097
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
So Wayne, what is your recommendation for dealing with Iran?
Should have let the agreement play out.. we were dealing with them prior to Trump but Trump was more concerned with. Undoing anything Obama. Just to say he did ... and that's the real issue
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
wdmso is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 01:26 PM   #37
scottw
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
scottw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,632
general trump is showing great restraint...if he'd retaliated the iranians would show pictures of dead women and children and then we'd have to listen to the democraps and media go on and on about how trump kills women and children...


Posted from my OBAMAPhone/Mobile device
scottw is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 03:04 PM   #38
wdmso
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Somerset MA
Posts: 9,097
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw View Post
general trump is showing great restraint...if he'd retaliated the iranians would show pictures of dead women and children and then we'd have to listen to the democraps and media go on and on about how trump kills women and children...


Posted from my OBAMAPhone/Mobile device
I agree with him 100% that the response would not have been proportional.. 1st presidential thing ever to come from his lips
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
wdmso is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 03:14 PM   #39
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by wdmso View Post
I agree with him 100% that the response would not have been proportional.. 1st presidential thing ever to come from his lips
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Probably all staged
spence is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 03:35 PM   #40
JohnR
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
iTrader: (1)
 
JohnR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 34,942
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post
Having a leader who doesn’t read, doesn’t like or believe what he hears in briefings, governs by tweet and even goes so far as to warn Iran we are about to strike is NOT how this situation gets diffused. IF that drone was downed in international airspace a strong president would have immediately responded militarily, Trump is a paper Twitter tiger, growls loudly, but has no claws or bite. He brought this on himself and he is clueless on how to deal with it. Middle East problems demand understanding, diplomacy and military strategy which escapes Trump across the board.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
If it was a manned aircraft, yes. It was unmanned (one reason we use them) and the engagement level is lower than if it were manned.

So what is it? Is Trump dangerous because he is a war monger? Or is he more dangerous because he was not a war monger?

~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~

Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers


Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.


Apocalypse is Coming:
JohnR is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 04:19 PM   #41
Jim in CT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
If it was a manned aircraft, yes. It was unmanned (one reason we use them) and the engagement level is lower than if it were manned.

So what is it? Is Trump dangerous because he is a war monger? Or is he more dangerous because he was not a war monger?
bingo. if we
bombed those sites and killed some folks, the trump haters would
say he's bloodthirsty and should have tried diplomacy. because he showed restraint, the same
exact people
will say he’s too soft. it doesn’t matter what he does. the problem
is his existence, not what he does.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Jim in CT is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 06:39 PM   #42
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by JohnR View Post
So what is it? Is Trump dangerous because he is a war monger? Or is he more dangerous because he was not a war monger?
Dangerous because he’s being played by war mongers and can’t see beyond the next news cycle.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
spence is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 07:18 PM   #43
JohnR
Certifiable Intertidal Anguiologist
iTrader: (1)
 
JohnR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Somewhere between OOB & west of Watch Hill
Posts: 34,942
Blog Entries: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Dangerous because he’s being played by war mongers and can’t see beyond the next news cycle.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device



But it looks like here he didn't get played by War Mongers. I am not a fan. We could have had a better pres.

BTW - the US may have launched new cyber attacks on Iran.

https://news.yahoo.com/pentagon-secr...wer&soc_trk=tw

~Fix the Bait~ ~Pogies Forever~

Striped Bass Fishing - All Stripers


Kobayashi Maru Election - there is no way to win.


Apocalypse is Coming:
JohnR is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 08:25 PM   #44
Jim in CT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Dangerous because he’s being played by war mongers and can’t see beyond the next news cycle.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
he called off the strike. how is that getting played by the war
mongers?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Jim in CT is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 08:36 PM   #45
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post
he called off the strike. how is that getting played by the war
mongers?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Do you honestly believe anything they say?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
spence is offline  
Old 06-21-2019, 08:57 PM   #46
Jim in CT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Do you honestly believe anything they say?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
i don’t refuse to
believe everything that goes against my agenda.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Jim in CT is offline  
Old 06-22-2019, 05:13 AM   #47
scottw
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
scottw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,632
it's funny to see who the bitter clingers really are


Posted from my OBAMAPhone/Mobile device

Last edited by scottw; 06-22-2019 at 07:45 AM..
scottw is offline  
Old 06-22-2019, 06:35 AM   #48
Got Stripers
Ledge Runner Baits
iTrader: (0)
 
Got Stripers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
Posts: 8,383
Who knows what the actual decisions were, but reporting now indicates Trump ordered the attack and possibly due to Bolton’s advice and then senior pentagon officials may have gotten him to cancel. If that’s true and it certainly falls right into his playbook, is that a strong smart president, sits down with all the key people, weighs the pros and cons, then makes the call and sticks with it. This is typical reactionary Trump, hears from someone he likes and goes off quickly in that direction, walking things back is his MO.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Got Stripers is online now  
Old 06-22-2019, 07:04 AM   #49
Sea Dangles
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Sea Dangles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post
Who knows what the actual decisions were
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
None of us do but I am sure you will make something up and cry wolf.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
Sea Dangles is offline  
Old 06-22-2019, 07:46 AM   #50
scottw
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
scottw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,632
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post
Who knows what the actual decisions were, but reporting now indicates Trump ordered the attack and possibly due to Bolton’s advice and then senior pentagon officials may have gotten him to cancel. If that’s true and it certainly falls right into his playbook, is that a strong smart president, sits down with all the key people, weighs the pros and cons, then makes the call and sticks with it. This is typical reactionary Trump, hears from someone he likes and goes off quickly in that direction, walking things back is his MO.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
it's impressive how you make everything fit your narrative


Posted from my OBAMAPhone/Mobile device
scottw is offline  
Old 06-22-2019, 11:31 AM   #51
Jim in CT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw View Post
it's impressive how you make everything fit your narrative


Posted from my OBAMAPhone/Mobile device
they can really bend
the reality to fit their agenda.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Jim in CT is offline  
Old 06-22-2019, 01:51 PM   #52
wdmso
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Somerset MA
Posts: 9,097
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim in CT View Post
they can really bend
the reality to fit their agenda.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
you should know .....
wdmso is offline  
Old 06-22-2019, 05:36 PM   #53
Got Stripers
Ledge Runner Baits
iTrader: (0)
 
Got Stripers's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2000
Location: I live in a house, but my soul is at sea.
Posts: 8,383
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottw View Post
it's impressive how you make everything fit your narrative


Posted from my OBAMAPhone/Mobile device
Trump has a new slogan, make Iran great again🤪
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Got Stripers is online now  
Old 06-22-2019, 06:57 PM   #54
Sea Dangles
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Sea Dangles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
Quote:
Originally Posted by Got Stripers View Post
Trump has a new slogan, make Iran great again🤪
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Next thing you know he will send them boatloads of money overnight. Cuz you know, they are good folks.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
Sea Dangles is offline  
Old 06-22-2019, 07:21 PM   #55
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles View Post
Next thing you know he will send them boatloads of money overnight. Cuz you know, they are good folks.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Had nothing to do with them being good folks.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
spence is offline  
Old 06-22-2019, 08:57 PM   #56
The Dad Fisherman
Super Moderator
iTrader: (0)
 
The Dad Fisherman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Georgetown MA
Posts: 18,177
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Had nothing to do with them being good folks.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Probably had nudes of Michelle
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

"If you're arguing with an idiot, make sure he isn't doing the same thing."
The Dad Fisherman is online now  
Old 06-22-2019, 11:25 PM   #57
Sea Dangles
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
Sea Dangles's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 8,718
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Had nothing to do with them being good folks.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Thank you for the flash bulletin Jeff.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device

PRO CHOICE REPUBLICAN
Sea Dangles is offline  
Old 06-23-2019, 07:25 PM   #58
spence
Registered User
iTrader: (0)
 
spence's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: RI
Posts: 21,181
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sea Dangles View Post
Thank you for the flash bulletin Jeff.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Of, that one hurt. Must have been a TDF-SD collaboration.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
spence is offline  
Old 06-24-2019, 07:40 AM   #59
Jim in CT
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 20,428
Quote:
Originally Posted by spence View Post
Of, that one hurt. Must have been a TDF-SD collaboration.
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
he’s increasing sanctions, and he
let the Iranians know that it was very close to being worse for them. Trump has done things i can not stand. i think he handled this about as well as it could
have been handled.

he had a few options, and no matter what he did, the
liberals in the media would have attacked him for it, and you would have sucked it up
like a Hoover deluxe.

what would
you have had him do? Nothing? Send them more cash?
Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Jim in CT is offline  
Old 06-24-2019, 08:00 AM   #60
Pete F.
Canceled
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: vt
Posts: 13,067
I would rather he built a coalition, than send Pompeo after the fact to the Middle East to try and assemble one, or put one back together depending on your viewpoint.

America First (Alone) is not an example of good leadership.

Here's the countries that were in the Gulf War coalition and regardless of how you feel about the Gulf War, the diplomatic and military leadership was incredibly skilled. I don't see that happening with this President.

The Allied coalition was made up of 39 countries: Afghanistan, Argentina, Australia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belgium, Canada, Czechoslovakia, Denmark, Egypt, France, Germany, Greece, Honduras, Hungary, Italy, Kuwait, Morocco, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Niger, Norway, Oman, Pakistan, Poland, Portugal, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Singapore, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Syria, Turkey, the United Arab Emirates, the United Kingdom and the United States.

The US Department of Defense has estimated the incremental costs of the Gulf War at $61 billion, with US allies providing about $54 billion of that -- Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states covered $36 billion. Germany and Japan covered $16 billion.

Frasier: Niles, I’ve just had the most marvelous idea for a website! People will post their opinions, cheeky bon mots, and insights, and others will reply in kind!

Niles: You have met “people”, haven’t you?

Lets Go Darwin
Pete F. is offline  
 

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:08 PM.


Powered by vBulletin. Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Please use all necessary and proper safety precautions. STAY SAFE Striper Talk Forums
Copyright 1998-20012 Striped-Bass.com