Tuition: what's wrong with this picture

[Slipknot]

Originally Posted by striperman36

I had a Polish friend back in the 70's that was rotating her family through the US, working just long enough to qualify for SS then they went home. What a deal...

just another reason this once great nation is going broke sad really

Originally Posted by PRBuzz

I heard on the radio the MA Legislature was debating the following: To approve payments at the level of in state tuition at state universities for illegal aliens but only if such illegal aliens were already enrolled in MA high schools for 3 years.


WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHAT? is right. Who are these legislatures entertaining this fukacta idea? Vote those morons out of office next time also.

i don't want my government spending our tax dollars that way, send them back to where they came from to go to school there and let their own damn country pay for their education or come here legally.

Originally Posted by scottw

well, we steal all of the world's resources and indiscriminately attack other countries because of our Imperialist tendencies..the least that we could do is educate the people that survive our scourge of the planet....are you against people having education???

I can't even comment on this one

[buckman]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

A College Ed-u-ma-ca-shun might help w/ math skills......you need to re-do the math on that 1

Thanks Kevin,
Your right, I'm wrong.... your smart, I'm stupid.... Your an Eagle scout, I'm just a cub scout...

I guess that part of his speach was smoke and mirrors too

[saltfly]

Originally Posted by scottw

education is a civil right that everyone is entitled to...it should not be reserved for just the privledged few...we are all citizens of the world....all education universal and universal education for all...it takes a village to educate a village....

I'm taking this as you ARE joking.

[saltfly]

Originally Posted by scottw

well, we steal all of the world's resources and indiscriminately attack other countries because of our Imperialist tendencies..the least that we could do is educate the people that survive our scourge of the planet....are you against people having education???

This one too!

[scottw]

Originally Posted by saltfly

This one too!

[TheSpecialist]

Originally Posted by scottw

education is a civil right that everyone is entitled to...it should not be reserved for just the privledged few...we are all citizens of the world....all education universal and universal education for all...it takes a village to educate a village....

Wrong education cost money, our money , they should not be in our high schools unless they are here legally. What the hell is wrong with people, there are towns trying to get 2 1/2 over rides to save jobs. Most of those jobs are teachers, firefighters, and police, but we have the money to throw away by educating non citizens in our public school systems. The Dems don't get it, and if they keep it up this will be a republican state again..

[Joe]

The reality is they are here, and now the bathwater has some valuable babies in it. I think a young person who grew up here and whose only national identity is that of an American, who now wants to serve in the military or excelled academically, should be extended special consideration.

[spence]

Originally Posted by Joe

The reality is they are here, and now the bathwater has some valuable babies in it. I think a young person who grew up here and whose only national identity is that of an American, who now wants to serve in the military or excelled academically, should be extended special consideration.

I think it's an excellent opportunity to thin the herd. Think about it, when a 9 year old illegal girl shows up for school, do you think she's going to put up much of a fight without her parents?

These kids should be out of the country, or at least out on the streets so they don't bother my son at school.

-spence

[Joe]

How about a citizenship exchange? We'll keep the illegals who look like they will be promising tax-paying citizens one day, and we exchange their citizenship for that of some native born young person who is a drain on the system.

[Joe]

What about kids who speak Pashtun, Arabic, and Farsi dialects, who have been accepted to UMASS and want to pursue Middle-Eastern studies? Chuck them too?

[PRBuzz]

Originally Posted by Joe

What about kids who speak Pashtun, Arabic, and Farsi dialects, who have been accepted to UMASS and want to pursue Middle-Eastern studies? Chuck them too?

If they have the appropriate papers to visit this country: keep'um, if not CHUCK 'UM.

[Joe]

The NSA feels differently.

[PRBuzz]

Originally Posted by Joe

The NSA feels differently.

Ahh, so "they" are a weapon against terrorism.........like being in the military you don't have to be a citizen just put your life on the line.

Is the NSA paying their way? How many years of service are required after graduation?

[Joe]

Extending tuition rates at the state level instead of the out-of-state tuition level is not a free ride. Colleges make money on in-state students - just not as much as out-of-state students.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Joe

How about a citizenship exchange? We'll keep the illegals who look like they will be promising tax-paying citizens one day, and we exchange their citizenship for that of some native born young person who is a drain on the system.

You will be shocked to know that I agree with you on this Joe, not that it matters, your smarter then me too....

and by the way, thanks for pointing out how stupid and useless Obamas 20yr tuition idea was. You helped make my point. Another worthless program that would cost billions and accomplish nothing.

The Obama Way.

[Mr. Sandman]

My plan is simple:

We need more doctors and math/science/engineering folks to fix this national funk we are in.

Allow college tuition for those that enroll in those fields to be fully tax deductible regardless of income level.


"Undocumented Americans" LOL! If they are undocumented how come we know exactly how many there are?!!
This is a simple problem and should not cost anyone anything. Simply enforce the laws we have now on employers hiring these guys plus...take away education and health care benie's. Further if you want them out faster, simply offer a reward of 50% of their unpaid taxes (that will come out of what the employer should have withheld and paid)...these guys will be flushed out in a week.

[striperman36]

I work in an office on Annandale, VA, all along the road outside the building illegals with different skills, painter, plasterer, carpenter, landscaper congregate and people just stop and give them day work
Must be several hundred in this 3 mi stretch alone. I am sure they all have families or relatives in the area.

[fishbones]

Originally Posted by striperman36

I work in an office on Annandale, VA, all along the road outside the building illegals with different skills, painter, plasterer, carpenter, landscaper congregate and people just stop and give them day work
Must be several hundred in this 3 mi stretch alone. I am sure they all have families or relatives in the area.

This happens in lots of areas throughout the country. In California,you can find them hanging out on the corner near Home Depots waiting for day work. Paid cash and no paper trail.

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by striperman36

I work in an office on Annandale, VA, all along the road outside the building illegals with different skills, painter, plasterer, carpenter, landscaper congregate and people just stop and give them day work
Must be several hundred in this 3 mi stretch alone. I am sure they all have families or relatives in the area.

They probably do. They come here for work, know that working one day in America will make them more money than a full week of working in Mexico.

If people completely stopped employing them, they'd have no choice but to go back. They'd tell their family and friends and those people would stop coming here too.

The law is the law. They are here illegally and should get a swift kick in the ass on their way home. Legal exceptions are already made for politicians and celebrities - now we're going to make them for the illegal dregs of society?

The US-Mexico border should be fortified similar to the North/South Korean border. Landmines and open "shoot to kill" orders for anyone found in a restricted zone. Do it in the name of national security.

[scottw]

mean spirited bastards...if we drag these poor undocumented Americans out of the shadows and separate them from their family members and send them back to the hell that is their legal residence our economy will surely collapse....again....I mean more....and then who will clean your toilets, rake your leaves, wash your dishes and clothes ??? hmmmm...they pay taxes too ya know sales tax!

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by scottw

mean spirited bastards...if we drag these poor undocumented Americans out of the shadows and separate them from their family members and send them back to the hell that is their legal residence our economy will surely collapse....again....I mean more....and then who will clean your toilets, rake your leaves, wash your dishes and clothes ??? hmmmm...they pay taxes too ya know sales tax!

Yeah, for 50 bucks, 6 guys completely raked, vacc'ed and took away all my fall cleanup stuff

[JohnnyD]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Yeah, for 50 bucks, 6 guys completely raked, vacc'ed and took away all my fall cleanup stuff

I can think of a couple landscaping companies in town that sometimes offer services that cheap.

[PRBuzz]

Originally Posted by scottw

.... separate them from their family members and send them back to the hell that is their legal residence ...

We are not separating anyone from their family members, we are sending them all back to join their family in whatever country they came from...

[Joe]

Originally Posted by scottw

mean spirited bastards...if we drag these poor undocumented Americans out of the shadows and separate them from their family members and send them back to the hell that is their legal residence our economy will surely collapse....again....I mean more....and then who will clean your toilets, rake your leaves, wash your dishes and clothes ??? hmmmm...they pay taxes too ya know sales tax!

The economy won't collapse, but we'll have to wait a helluva long time for our meals to come out at Chili's, TGI Fridays and Texas Roadhouse.

[striperman36]

Originally Posted by Joe

The economy won't collapse, but we'll have to wait a helluva long time for our meals to come out at Chili's, TGI Fridays and Texas Roadhouse.

The CrabTrap in Somers Point NJ, has a deal that they bring in Romanian help and put them up. Nothin like a young Romanian accent to spice up your meal.

Used to happen on the Vineyard and in the Catskills all the time.

Let them come, but let them come legally.

[Joe]

Just make illegal immigration a state crime as well as federal, and empower local police forces to arrest them.
There was an illegal Guatemalan at the Texas Roadhouse down the street from me who got canned a couple years ago. Pissed off - he walked out, went down to the Stop & Shop kidnapped and raped some suburban Mom. When they asked the local cops about it, they said they had no power to enforce immigration laws. The place is still loaded with illegal Guatemalans.

[Joe]

Originally Posted by striperman36

The CrabTrap in Somers Point NJ, has a deal that they bring in Romanian help and put them up. Nothin like a young Romanian accent to spice up your meal.

Used to happen on the Vineyard and in the Catskills all the time.

Let them come, but let them come legally.

Don't give your credit card to a Eastern European waitresses. They copy your credit card numbers and email them back the same night, by the next morning you've got a bunch of unauthorized charges. Found that out the last time I went to eat on Block Island.