So the local friendly Antifa...

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by scottw

they've done a FABULOUS job decorating the place.....

also...


"CNN's Angela Rye called for statues of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson to come down Thursday on the network."

"Pelosi wants 11 Confederate statues removed from Capitol"



we should tear down all of our monuments and statues, hell all of our government buildings ....then we could start all over.... make everybody happy

There should be no Confederate Statues in Washington DC. But when do they come for Washington and Jefferson?

Originally Posted by spence

Yep, here’s your Antifa...

11:06 pm, Jun. 10, 2020
CHAZ protesters spend the night organizing a concert and movie night

Capitol Hill protesters — or denizens of the new "Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone" — spent another night by the Seattle Police Department's East Precinct listening to speakers, sharing food, dancing and creating colorful street art.

A small concert popped up at one intersection during the night, featuring funk/hip-hop band Marshall Law, a group based in Seattle. A cardboard sign was propped up in front of the band's makeshift stage. It read: "Defund the police, fund the community, free all protesters."

"What we're doing here — it's for a purpose," one of the band members said after the show, according to a livestream of the event.

After Marshall Law wrapped up their performance, it was time for another movie night.

On Tuesday night, the group rolled out a large projector and watched Ava DuVernay's "13th," a documentary that focuses on the racial injustice of the country's criminal justice system. On Wednesday, they screened "Paris is Burning," which features drag queens living in New York City during the mid-to-late 1980s.
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Awwww cute. Bunch of little commies and Democratic Socialists creating little points of order while waiting for vegan meat substitutes and soy deliveries while the PortaPotty company says Eff No we ain't going there.

Meanwhile, what about the people that live in those areas and just want some level of normalcy and fairness.

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

Meanwhile, what about the people that live in those areas and just want some level of normalcy and fairness.

^^^^^^


ummmmm....."change is hard"....and "this is American democracy".....and apparently their Constitutional rights have been suspended by the mob till further notice

[Ian]

Originally Posted by scottw

^^^^^^


ummmmm....."change is hard"....and "this is American democracy".....and apparently their Constitutional rights have been suspended by the mob till further notice

Which constitutional rights are being violated?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Ian

Which constitutional rights are being violated?
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really?...

[Ian]

Originally Posted by scottw

really?...

Yes, I wasn’t sure what rights, as laid out by the constitution, were being violated.

Free speech?
Bearing arms?
Freedom of assembly?
Freedom to representation?
Freedom from unwarranted search and seizure?

Shall I continue?
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[scottw]

Originally Posted by Ian

Yes, I wasn’t sure what rights, as laid out by the constitution, were being violated.

Free speech?
Bearing arms?
Freedom of assembly?
Freedom to representation?
Freedom from unwarranted search and seizure?

Shall I continue?
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no I think you've got it correct...if your neighborhood is taken over and occupied by a mob and your local and state government won't do anything about it the Constitution(US and State) is meaningless...you have no rights except those granted by the mob...

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[Ian]

Originally Posted by scottw

no I think you've got it correct...if your neighborhood is taken over and occupied by a mob and your local and state government won't do anything about it the Constitution(US and State) is meaningless...you have no rights except those granted by the mob...

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Is there evidence that this mob is robbing people of their constitutional rights?
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[nightfighter]

#^&#^&#^&#^&ing idiots.... Not one of them were there or choose to remember when first responders rushed into the Towers on 9/11, or any building when lives were at risk, nor the necessary response when the Marathon bomber went on their killing spree... Yep, just defund them. The lefties can scold them into behaving.

[JohnR]

Originally Posted by JohnR

There should be no Confederate Statues in Washington DC. But when do they come for Washington and Jefferson?

That didn't take long. Portland Washington

Of course Columbus, all over, but that was a given

But I am paranoid

[scottw]

Originally Posted by JohnR

That didn't take long. Portland Washington

Of course Columbus, all over, but that was a given

But I am paranoid

when they run out of statues...are they going to head for the museums and libraries? because there is probably a lot of stuff in those places that they can be offended by

[spence]

Originally Posted by JohnR

That didn't take long. Portland Washington

Of course Columbus, all over, but that was a given

But I am paranoid

This has got Antifa’s fingerprints all over it.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by JohnR

That didn't take long. Portland Washington

Of course Columbus, all over, but that was a given

But I am paranoid

Up next, Abraham Lincoln.....

https://www.wcvb.com/article/boston-...moval/32860548
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Up next, Abraham Lincoln.....

https://www.wcvb.com/article/boston-...moval/32860548
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Well, to be fair the issue here isn't about Lincoln but rather the depiction of the slave.

[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, to be fair the issue here isn't about Lincoln but rather the depiction of the slave.

Well, to be fair, technically he isn't a slave, he's a free man.......your privilege is showing again.
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[spence]

Originally Posted by The Dad Fisherman

Well, to be fair, technically he isn't a slave, he's a free man.......your privilege is showing again.
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He’s in shackles, you’re off by a moment.
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[The Dad Fisherman]

Originally Posted by spence

He’s in shackles, you’re off by a moment.
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The chains are broken, he's been set free.

His head is held up and he his looking forward. Some great symbolism in this piece.


Stop always trying to keep a Brother down

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[Sea Dangles]

Originally Posted by spence

He’s in shackles, you’re off by a moment.
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Mr T would be proud of you.
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[detbuch]

Originally Posted by spence

Well, to be fair the issue here isn't about Lincoln but rather the depiction of the slave.

Probably better not to have any public art works. All art is subject to, and usually crafted with, "interpretation." Especially art depicting history. Can't think of any such art that wouldn't offend somebody.

Take it all down. And don't replace it with some new art that reflects the current ideological "consensus" on what is a socially just view of history. It will surely be offensive to someone in the future (and probably to someone now).

[Pete F.]

A historian on statues

Statues are not about remembrance, they are about commemoration; not teaching, but moralizing.

We have large, publicly funded history teaching tools. They're called museums (and also to an extent, battlefield parks).

But statues are not teaching tools. No history is lost when a statue comes down.

The question is, what values does this statue express?

So if you are thinking, "should this statue be here?" The question you want to ask is not "what history is it connected to?" but "what values does it express right now ?" Not who does it glorify, but WHY does it glorify them?

And for the person saying,"well, maybe it was because they were good soldiers" answer this: where are James Longstreet's statues? Why is there one confederate general left out of all of this soldierly commemoration?
Why? Because after the war, he supported reconstruction.
It was never about generalship or leadership, these statues were always about hate and Longstreet didn't hate quite enough for the hateful people who put these statues up.

That's the value they communicate. Hate.

So when evaluating a statue, ask yourself, "What values was this statue created to communicate? Are they good values? Are they values I believe in?"

And if the answer is "no" - remove that statue and replace it with one that does represent our values.

And if you don't think the Confederacy was about slavery and race, you have not read the Declarations of Causes of Seceding States.