undermining democracy

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

Al Gore did exactly that. Exactly.

Was he POTUS wow your such a history buff.
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Was he POTUS wow your such a history buff.
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ok. so suing to contest an election is ok for a challenger ( who was VP) but not the incumbent?

please explain that distinction? best of luck?
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[Jim in CT]

GS and wdmso, since you both dodged, i’ll ask again...

how can you accuse trump of going too far with federal deregulation, and also accuse him of being a dictator? how does that make any sense whatsoever?

answer - orangemanbad. whatever it takes, no matter how absurd you need to sound, orange man must be bad. always, no exceptions.

a dictator who also wants the federal control to be too small. so you’re saying he’s a libertarian and a dictator. at the same time.

that’s wicked smaht.
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[Pete F.]

Every dictator destroys the mechanisms of government so he can put it under his personal control.

Talk radio personalities and the Fox primetime hosts have only one primary function now: Keep Trump’s GOP alive, no matter what. They feed themselves and feed the political machine at once. And, without them, the GOP in its current form will wither and die.

The propaganda is the party and the party is propaganda. Sink or be a lamprey
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ok. so suing to contest an election is ok for a challenger ( who was VP) but not the incumbent?

please explain that distinction? best of luck?
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Jim you create your own facts like every other Trumper

Take a history lesson on the recounts in Fla I am not doing your work for you , once you’ve done that maybe you can comment.

Ps I’ll give you a hint the recount in Fla was done because of the closeness of the election Much like GA.. it wasn’t redone on complaints of National Fraud

But hea don’t let facts ruin your day
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim you create your own facts like every other Trumper

Take a history lesson on the recounts in Fla I am not doing your work for you , once you’ve done that maybe you can comment.

Ps I’ll give you a hint the recount in Fla was done because of the closeness of the election Much like GA.. it wasn’t redone on complaints of National Fraud

But hea don’t let facts ruin your day
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and here’s a history lesson for you. both candidates tried to exclude what they claimed were questionable votes. they made their case, and met the courts decide.

as always, it’s ok when gore does it, the end of the world when trump does it.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

GS and wdmso, since you both dodged, i’ll ask again...

how can you accuse trump of going too far with federal deregulation, and also accuse him of being a dictator? how does that make any sense whatsoever?

answer - orangemanbad. whatever it takes, no matter how absurd you need to sound, orange man must be bad. always, no exceptions.

a dictator who also wants the federal control to be too small. so you’re saying he’s a libertarian and a dictator. at the same time.

that’s wicked smaht.
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What’s not wicked smart

Is thinking deregulation has anything to do with Trump secret desires to be a strong authoritarian leader willing to steal what he can’t win , frustrated by the checks and balances built into our system


Ps your deregulation comment is based on the rights pre occupation with socialism,, Ps no one is claiming Trump want to be a socialist, except when it comes to farmer’s


And yes Orangeman is bad regardless of what good you think he has done , because his current attacks on our Democratic process clearly show how un American he is and the willingness of his supporters to love the man more than the country, he has convinced them their at war
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

and here’s a history lesson for you. both candidates tried to exclude what they claimed were questionable votes. they made their case, and met the courts decide.

as always, it’s ok when gore does it, the end of the world when trump does it.
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Maybe you should demand of yourself what you demand in others

because if you think what Trumps doing is the same as Gore Vs Bush did , your intellectually dishonest, or just acting stupid or making up your own reality. I am going with a combination of all 3 .
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Maybe you should demand of yourself what you demand in others

because if you think what Trumps doing is the same as Gore Vs Bush did , your intellectually dishonest, or just acting stupid or making up your own reality. I am going with a combination of all 3 .
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i two things are exactly try the same.

but in both cases, trump and gore chose not to accept the results of the election. both tried to make the case in court, that the posted election results were wrong. gore accepted the results of the court, we have to see if trump will do the same.

one of those was perfectly acceptable to you, the other is horrible. we’re all shocked that you claim it was ok when the democrat did it.
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[Pete F.]

The 2000 election was decided by 537 votes in one state, Florida. With Florida in Bush's column, the outcome of the Electoral College was 271-266 — about as close as it gets. In fact, it was the closest electoral vote margin since 1876 that saw Rutherford B. Hayes beat Samuel Tilden by just one electoral vote, 185-184.

In the 2020 election, if Biden's leads hold, he is on track to win 306 electoral votes to 232 for Trump. (Somewhat ironically, that's the same margin Trump would have won by in 2016 if there weren't two faithless electors who brought his total down to 304.)

As opposed to focusing attention on a single state, Trump has several lawsuits in courts in multiple states, many of which have already been thrown out. There will be a recount in Georgia, and Trump is seeking one in Wisconsin, which the AP called for Biden, but he's unlikely to win either one because he is down almost 35,000 votes between the two states.

A FairVote study of 27 recounts between 2000 and 2015 found the average vote change in them was 282 votes — nowhere near the gap Trump is trying to overcome.

The president's allegations and conspiracy theories of sweeping voter fraud have so far been without merit. Fraud is hard to pull off in modern elections because of the safeguards in place, including electronic voter registration records, signature matching technology and post-election audits of the vote.

"I think it is more difficult now," Ginsberg said, noting, "The Trump campaign is basing all its actions on the thought that there was fraud, and now they're not able to prove it, so their basic premise is not holding up."

On Thursday, the government agencies overseeing the security of the election issued a joint statement defending the integrity of the election and calling it the "most secure in American history."

"There is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised," they wrote. They added, "While we know there are many unfounded claims and opportunities for misinformation about the process of our elections, we can assure you we have the utmost confidence in the security and integrity of our elections, and you should too."

Now do but the Kraken...............

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

i two things are exactly try the same.


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:wall :

mabe you"ll do better with pictures

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

:wall :

mabe you"ll do better with pictures

that was gibberish on my part.

no two things are identical. doesn’t mean nothing is comparable.

gore didn’t get the result he wanted on election day, so he sought remedy through the courts. that’s exactly what trump is doing, and trump so far isn’t faring better than gore did.

if you want to say trump shouldn’t be saying the election was stolen, i agree 100%. if you want to say he shouldn’t be seeking remedy in the courts, then unless you said the same thing about gore, you’re a hypocrite.
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[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

that was gibberish on my part.

no two things are identical. doesn’t mean nothing is comparable.

gore didn’t get the result he wanted on election day, so he sought remedy through the courts. that’s exactly what trump is doing, and trump so far isn’t faring better than gore did.

if you want to say trump shouldn’t be saying the election was stolen, i agree 100%. if you want to say he shouldn’t be seeking remedy in the courts, then unless you said the same thing about gore, you’re a hypocrite.
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Jim trump is not doing what Gore did in Court he is only seeking remedy in states he Lost by bigger margins then he won in 2016

Trump's legal team to hold public hearing with Arizona Republicans on election integrity they are not trying to win in court they are just fanning the fires with lies and hearsay .. again nothing of the sort was displayed by gore or Bush


this is what he is fostering in his base and in republican circles

these are supporters comments

The SCOTUS and the electoral college vote, is the last line of preventing this mass steal from the left. After that, war.


"Enemies foreign and domestic"

We need to remember these words because we the people are under attack from the enemies within

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

ok. so suing to contest an election is ok for a challenger ( who was VP) but not the incumbent?

please explain that distinction? best of luck?
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Thirty baseless law suits to date, come on Jim when is enough is enough and Trump is still claiming this entire election was rigged. The guy is a conspiracy theory nut job and I'm beginning to think you might be one, despite you continuing to say you don't defend Trump; which by the way is a joke.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Thirty baseless law suits to date, come on Jim when is enough is enough and Trump is still claiming this entire election was rigged. The guy is a conspiracy theory nut job and I'm beginning to think you might be one, despite you continuing to say you don't defend Trump; which by the way is a joke.

there’s a fatal flaw in your logic. none of you , not one of you, stated that he had the right, as gore did, to file the first suit. when he filed his first suit, every one if you claimed
it was the end of our democracy. as soon as he asked the first question, you all said he had no legitimate right.

prove me wrong. show me a post from any of the liberals here, who said “now now, we were ok with gore filing suit, trump had the same right.”

show me where any one of you said that?
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[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Jim trump is not doing what Gore did in Court he is only seeking remedy in states he Lost by bigger margins then he won in 2016

Trump's legal team to hold public hearing with Arizona Republicans on election integrity they are not trying to win in court they are just fanning the fires with lies and hearsay .. again nothing of the sort was displayed by gore or Bush


this is what he is fostering in his base and in republican circles

these are supporters comments

The SCOTUS and the electoral college vote, is the last line of preventing this mass steal from the left. After that, war.


"Enemies foreign and domestic"

We need to remember these words because we the people are under attack from the enemies within

so what’s the largest margin of victory, for which you think it’s ok to sue? what gore and stacy abrams
did was fine?

how about Hilary telling biden never to concede under any circumstances, to never stop dragging it out? is that supporting democracy?
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

there’s a fatal flaw in your logic. none of you , not one of you, stated that he had the right, as gore did, to file the first suit. when he filed his first suit, every one if you claimed
it was the end of our democracy. as soon as he asked the first question, you all said he had no legitimate right.

prove me wrong. show me a post from any of the liberals here, who said “now now, we were ok with gore filing suit, trump had the same right.”

show me where any one of you said that?
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Nobody said he had the right, because we are all pretty aware that every American has the right to bring suit if they have a case. There is a point, which this nut reached a long time ago, where you are just wasting the courts time when you bring case after case with no proof or evidence to support you case.

[Jim in CT]

Originally Posted by Got Stripers

Nobody said he had the right, because we are all pretty aware that every American has the right to bring suit if they have a case. There is a point, which this nut reached a long time ago, where you are just wasting the courts time when you bring case after case with no proof or evidence to support you case.

sorry, you a acted like it was the end of democracy. like everything else with this guy, you immediately went to the most deranged extreme. you went berserk on day one. so you can’t later claim that you were ok until it was excessive.

and his words have been reckless. his actions are harmless and exactly what hilary told Biden to do.
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[Pete F.]

Most Americans early on read the story of the boy who cried wolf.
Here it is in case since apparently you missed it, courtesy of the Library of Congress.
http://read.gov/aesop/043.html

The Citrus Caligula has been claiming that elections are rigged continuously since his first Primary. If you need there are tweets and video.
That is one of the reasons there was a record turnout in this election, people were warned that if it was close the Bad Orange man would steal the election.
He said it out loud.

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Originally Posted by Jim in CT

his actions are harmless and exactly what hilary told Biden to do.
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Even you aren't crazy enough to believe this.

[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

sorry, you a acted like it was the end of democracy. like everything else with this guy, you immediately went to the most deranged extreme. you went berserk on day one. so you can’t later claim that you were ok until it was excessive.

and his words have been reckless. his actions are harmless and exactly what hilary told Biden to do.
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Please go find one statement from me where I said anything Trump was doing was the end of democracy, if you going to attempt to quote someone, better have the evidence........ooooooh who acts like that?

[Pete F.]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

sorry, you a acted like it was the end of democracy. like everything else with this guy, you immediately went to the most deranged extreme. you went berserk on day one. so you can’t later claim that you were ok until it was excessive.

and his words have been reckless. his actions are toxic to democracy and exactly what Putin told him to do.
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Fixed it for you, you ought to get off the OANN Pablum

https://www.lawfareblog.com/trumps-t...russian-trolls

[wdmso]

Originally Posted by Jim in CT

so what’s the largest margin of victory, for which you think it’s ok to sue? what gore and stacy abrams
did was fine?

how about Hilary telling biden never to concede under any circumstances, to never stop dragging it out? is that supporting democracy?
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Jims and trumps logic if we think there was fraud and our online hot line have people willing to say their was fraud which is about every Trump voter (they dont need evidence they just know it happened Q said so )all ballots for democratic areas should be throw out..

Trump and his team are magically looking to throw out just enough ballots in swing counties he lost, no fraud in counties he won?? and only in states he lost A little odd dont ya think

And whos Hilary what power does she have what lawsuits has she filed ? I only care what Biden or Trump says

[wdmso]

Trump tweet. Why won’t Governor @BrianKempGA, the hapless Governor of Georgia, use his emergency powers, which can be easily done, to overrule his obstinate Secretary of State, and do a match of signatures on envelopes. It will be a “goldmine” of fraud, and we will easily WIN the state....

...
1 he doesn’t have emergency powers to do Trumps bidding to it’s not legal


Yep Trumps a law and order President lol
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[wdmso]

US attorney general finds 'no voter fraud that could overturn election'

[Pete F.]

ROTFLMAO

On Parler, Bill Mitchell calls Bill Barr “a deep state snake and Bush plant.”
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[Got Stripers]

When Bill Barr says it's over I guess it's official, but you know Trump isn't going to let it go.

[Pete F.]

The Emperor was down to nothing but thong and Barr just whipped it off.

(Apologies for that mental image.)

[wdmso]

Trump's former national security advisor Flynn. shared a message asking the president to suspend the Constitution, impose martial law, and hold a new election
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[Got Stripers]

Originally Posted by wdmso

Trump's former national security advisor Flynn. shared a message asking the president to suspend the Constitution, impose martial law, and hold a new election
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Well that pardon came with terms of course, it’s unbelievable the extremes Trump and his supporters are willing to do to hold on to power. Covid running rampant, the CDC suggesting we could reach 400,000 dead by February and all Trump and his minions talk about is non existent wide spread voter fraud. It’s actually a bit scary to watch what this nut is going to do in his final days. Trump has shown his true colors throughout his four years, but never any clearer than now.