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Old 11-30-2020, 08:22 AM   #1
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in the same thread yesterday, the same people were criticizing trump for (1) being too quick to cut federal
regulations, and also (2) of being a dictator.

when you accuse someone of being a libertarian and a dictator in the same thread, it’s time to ask yourself some tough questions.

He’s a dictator who wants a reduced
federal government, more power given to the citizenry.

This is like an SNL skit. We are deep, deep into the twilight zone now.
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Old 11-30-2020, 08:53 AM   #2
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Ahh, as usual over consumption of the koolaid from the official Pro-Trump media network

Here's some tough answers

1. Systematic efforts to intimidate the media.

2. Building an official pro-Trump media network.

3. Politicizing the civil service, military, National Guard, or the domestic security agencies.

4. Using government surveillance against domestic political opponents.

5. Using state power to reward corporate backers and punish opponents.

6. Stacking the Supreme Court.

7. Enforcing the law for only one side.

8. Really rigging the system.

9. Fearmongering.

10. Demonizing the opposition.

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Old 11-30-2020, 09:31 AM   #3
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Ahh, as usual over consumption of the koolaid from the official Pro-Trump media network

Here's some tough answers

1. Systematic efforts to intimidate the media.

2. Building an official pro-Trump media network.

3. Politicizing the civil service, military, National Guard, or the domestic security agencies.

4. Using government surveillance against domestic political opponents.

5. Using state power to reward corporate backers and punish opponents.

6. Stacking the Supreme Court.

7. Enforcing the law for only one side.

8. Really rigging the system.

9. Fearmongering.

10. Demonizing the opposition.
so the obama administration didn’t include the use of government surveillance against domestic political opponents? tell that to carter page.

“really rigging the system”

boy that’s an irrefutable
argument.

fear mongering. so biden didn’t tell blacks that republicans want to put them all back in chains?

“stacking the supreme court”. sorry, there was a vacancy during his administration. he nominated someone to the senate, perfectly in accordance with the constitution, and exactly as obama did. EXACTLY.

“intimidate the media”. because obama didn’t whine incessantly about the one tv network that wasn’t completely advocating for him. obama doesn’t still insult fox
viewers, he didn’t say this
month that they live in an alternate reality.

as always, it’s totally fine with you when democrats do these things, but horrifying when republicans do it.

pathetic.
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Old 12-02-2020, 08:17 AM   #4
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so the obama administration didn’t include the use of government surveillance against domestic political opponents? tell that to carter page.

“really rigging the system”

boy that’s an irrefutable
argument.

fear mongering. so biden didn’t tell blacks that republicans want to put them all back in chains?

“stacking the supreme court”. sorry, there was a vacancy during his administration. he nominated someone to the senate, perfectly in accordance with the constitution, and exactly as obama did. EXACTLY.

“intimidate the media”. because obama didn’t whine incessantly about the one tv network that wasn’t completely advocating for him. obama doesn’t still insult fox
viewers, he didn’t say this
month that they live in an alternate reality.

as always, it’s totally fine with you when democrats do these things, but horrifying when republicans do it.

pathetic.
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As usual you’re demonstrating your mastery of false equivalence, wherein one is equal to a thousand.
Better send the Con man some more money, he’s made 150M off his marks since the election.

Carter Page had several prior FISA investigations, quite a guy to involve in your administration

I don’t know if Trump is using the FBI, CIA, or other surveillance capabilities to spy on the Biden campaign or to monitor other political opponents. But we do know that the federal government has conducted surveillance of people protesting the administration’s immigration policies, and Trump has threatened to declare the loose and leaderless antifa movement a terrorist organization, which could allow domestic security agencies to conduct more far-reaching surveillance on anti-Trump protests. Trump and his allies are certainly not above using government institutions to advance the president’s personal political fortunes, and sometimes they’re not even coy about it. Thus, Republican Sen. Ron Johnson told a local radio station that his baseless Senate investigation into Hunter Biden’s activities in Ukraine would “help Donald Trump win reelection.”

Rigging the system is exactly what the man you defend so staunchly does. And there’s nothing subtle about it: Trump has made it abundantly clear that he will do everything in his power to rig the election in his favor. He has no choice: Unemployment is high, evictions are increasing, deficits are soaring, the trade deficits he promised to fix are still there, and his administration’s bungled response to the pandemic that Trump kept denying will have killed roughly 200,000 Americans by Election Day, even as many other countries have managed to turn the corner and move back closer to normal life. Now there’s a record to run on!

Even with the built-in advantages of the Electoral College, Trump is facing a humiliating if much-deserved defeat. As he does on the golf course, therefore, Trump is all too willing to cheat. He has called for supporters to vote twice if they can. He has tried to defund or disrupt the U.S. Postal Service, making it less capable of handling a surge of mail-in ballots, while at the same time claiming falsely that mail-in voting (which he uses himself) is rife with fraud. He and his underlings have been reluctant to say publicly that he would leave office if defeated. Uh-oh.

Fear mongering is what you do when you’re trailing in the polls, you have no idea how to get people back to work, and you can’t get the pandemic under control? Simple: Try to scare people about something else. Just as Trump ran for office in 2016 offering wild-eyed and irresponsible claims about Muslims, Mexican “rapists,” and other foreign dangers, this time around he’s working overtime to convince voters that the United States’ cities are in flames and that angry mobs of nonwhite people are heading for the suburbs to seize homes and destroy their entire way of life. When Trump’s inaugural address in January 2017 warned of “American carnage,” what we failed to realize that he was really telling us what he intended accomplish as president.

A president’s ability to stack the Supreme Court depends on whether openings occur and whether the Senate is compliant. Trump doesn’t have to worry about the Senate, which allowed him to appoint three new justices during his first term.

In the meantime, Trump and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell are doing a fine job of packing the lower courts, including some candidates with decidedly dodgy qualifications. And if you think this is just matter of abortion rights or gun control, think again. If the 2020 election is a nail-biter, lower-court decisions on potential electoral irregularities could matter a lot. Indeed, several recent decisions (in Wisconsin, Texas, Florida, and Alabama) have opened the door to precisely the type of voter suppression that would benefit Trump. As other democratically elected autocrats know full well, checks and balances and the rule of law are no obstacle once the judiciary has been transformed from watchdog to lap dog.

Trump’s repeated descriptions of the press as “the Enemy of the People” may have inspired followers to threaten news organizations on their own, and encouraged the arrests and attacks on journalists covering recent demonstrations in several U.S. cities. As Chris Wallace of the normally pro-Trump network Fox News recently put it, “President Trump is engaged in the most direct sustained assault on freedom of the press in our history.”
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Old 12-02-2020, 06:02 PM   #5
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Hey,
Speaking about denial syndrome, how many of you guys are still going around with your Trumpy flags and bumper stickers?

Reminds me of when I was a kid and we used to see those McGovern bumper stickers.

Hehehe.
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Old 12-02-2020, 06:04 PM   #6
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Sorry, that was mean.

Every time I see a Trumbo sticker, all I can see is “Mondale/Ferraro”
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