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07-24-2018, 10:55 PM
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nothing on FOX news is true...
and how is anything trump says the "republican party platform"? remember...the democrats(and the russians) elected him
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He is the Republican party. The party of Reagan died.
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07-25-2018, 05:23 AM
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The party of Reagan died.
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know what hasn't died?...the left hated Reagan as much as they hate Trump  |
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07-25-2018, 06:25 AM
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know what hasn't died?...the left hated Reagan as much as they hate Trump |
The left has never hated anyone as much as they hate trump.
The Trump Haters, not the Trump Dis-Likers, but the true foaming at the mouth Trump Haters, are some of the biggest a-holes roaming the country side today.
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07-25-2018, 06:35 AM
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A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month
A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 will save about $650. 54 a month
A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than $13,000. 1083 a month
yes crumbs the only one getting anything worth mentioning is the Business ... and in inflation gas increase heath-care increases heat in the winter you make it sound like Trump gave us a windfall
Please The GOP classic well you got a tax cut .. and to say its not crumbs it degrading to those getting an extra 50 bucks a month after you gave the house away to your friends in corporate America
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07-25-2018, 06:43 AM
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The left has never hated anyone as much as they hate trump.
The Trump Haters, not the Trump Dis-Likers, but the true foaming at the mouth Trump Haters, are some of the biggest a-holes roaming the country side today.
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prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies. |
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07-25-2018, 06:45 AM
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It’s the deficit, not crumbs
And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter, below 2017’s pace, and considerably less than in 2014 and 2015:
This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. By this point, almost all economists recognize that income tax cuts no longer stimulate the economy enough to reduce deficits, as supply-siders thought they would back in the 1980s. But economists still held out some hope that lowering the corporate tax, which is believed to be more harmful than the personal income tax, would have a more salutary effect on the budget. Unfortunately, that hope appears to be fading, as fiscal deficits increase rapidly.
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07-25-2018, 08:03 AM
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A single mother in North Carolina making less than $40,000 will save $1,300 next year. wow 108 a month
A married homeowning couple with no children in Rhode Island making $150,000 will save about $650. 54 a month
A business-owning couple with three children in California is set to save more than $13,000. 1083 a month
yes crumbs the only one getting anything worth mentioning is the Business ... and in inflation gas increase heath-care increases heat in the winter you make it sound like Trump gave us a windfall
Please The GOP classic well you got a tax cut .. and to say its not crumbs it degrading to those getting an extra 50 bucks a month after you gave the house away to your friends in corporate America
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I bet the mother in NC, would say that another $100 in her pocket every month, isn't crumbs. It's taking the kids mini golfing or to the movies, two more times a month.
The good thing is, we'll soon see how single moms in NC view that tax cut, we will see who they vote for in a coupe of months, so the speculation will end.
The business tax cuts are also helping regular people. Unemployment is down, companies are instantly more profitable, and thus jobs a bit more secure. That's not nothing. Not in my opinion. But I'm not fanatically focused on promoting an anti-Trump agenda, I just go where common sense and the facts take me. Thanks to the corporate tax cuts, many businesses are instantly more profitable. That's good not only for the business owners, but for the employees. We don't all work on plantations anymore. There are a lot of generous companies out there., who are investing in growth, raising minimum wages, giving bonuses, etc... |
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07-25-2018, 08:05 AM
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prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.
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What percentage of politically-motivated riots, are started by conservatives?
Have fun with that answer.
We can be very angry, sure. For the most part, we don't get hysterical or throw rocks through windows because we didn't get our way. |
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07-25-2018, 08:08 AM
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This tepid rate of growth means that the tax cut is unlikely to pay for itself. .
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That's true. But unlike Obama's stimulus package which also didn't come close to paying for itself, the tax cuts are at least putting a few bucks in our pockets, and putting more people back to work.
Apple announced 20,000 new jobs as a result of the tax cuts. Which companies did anything remotely like that, as a result of Obama's stimulus bill? His favorite, Solyndra, which doesn't exist anymore? |
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07-25-2018, 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
What percentage of politically-motivated riots, are started by conservatives?
Have fun with that answer.
We can be very angry, sure. For the most part, we don't get hysterical or throw rocks through windows because we didn't get our way.
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Look at the anger with your posts here. How many people here have called people POS or used the C word? Have fun with that.
The press has had to have police protection at Trump's rallies bc of all the anger. |
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07-25-2018, 08:30 AM
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That's true. But unlike Obama's stimulus package which also didn't come close to paying for itself, the tax cuts are at least putting a few bucks in our pockets, and putting more people back to work.
Apple announced 20,000 new jobs as a result of the tax cuts. Which companies did anything remotely like that, as a result of Obama's stimulus bill? His favorite, Solyndra, which doesn't exist anymore?
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You always get lost in But Obama
Obama's worked better than Bush's
Trump didn't start out in a hole
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO |
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07-25-2018, 08:55 AM
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Look at the anger with your posts here. How many people here have called people POS or used the C word? Have fun with that.
The press has had to have police protection at Trump's rallies bc of all the anger.
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As I've said, I have very little anger. I don't have much, politically speaking, to be angry about. November may change that. You are misinterpreting (in my opinion), my logic, for anger.
Paul, some people are, in fact, pieces of sh*t. |
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07-25-2018, 09:01 AM
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You always get lost in But Obama
Obama's worked better than Bush's
Trump didn't start out in a hole
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO
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"You always get lost in But Obama"
And instead of telling me that I'm wrong when I point out hypocrisy, all you can do is say that there's no reason to go back to Obama. You can't make me wrong (because I'm clearly not wrong), so you"want to change the subject. Doesn't work that way.
"Obama's worked better than Bush's "
You might be right. See? Its possible to admit the other side is right.
"Trump didn't start out in a hole"
No he didn't. But the lower unemployment is, the more difficult it is, to get it lower. Same with the stock market. But the fact is (whether you hate it or not), unemployment is lower, and the stock market is higher, than when Trump took office.
Obama gets good marks from me on handling the economy. So does Trump. I can say that about both men, because I am not bound by partisanship, but motivated by truth.
"The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits"
Not until Bush jr.
"Limiting political speech"
Let me get this straight. You are claiming that the GOP wants to silence those on the other side? No irony there, just ask Ben Shapiro or Ann Coulter. |
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07-25-2018, 09:04 AM
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prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.
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Yeah, they are. |
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07-25-2018, 09:05 AM
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The left has never hated anyone as much as they hate trump.
The Trump Haters, not the Trump Dis-Likers, but the true foaming at the mouth Trump Haters, are some of the biggest a-holes roaming the country side today.
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I agree no one ever hated anyone as much as Trump. Not only is he an idiot and dangerous for the country, but he is an all around terrible person. Where you are wrong is that the biggest aholes roaming the country side are at Trump rallies.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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07-25-2018, 09:09 AM
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prob. still not as angry as all those Trump supporters that you see at his rallies.
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Being angry is not the problem. Being angry for the reasons the trump rally attendees are angry is the problem.
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No, no, no. we’re 30… 30, three zero.
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07-25-2018, 09:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Jim in CT
"You always get lost in But Obama"
And instead of telling me that I'm wrong when I point out hypocrisy, all you can do is say that there's no reason to go back to Obama. You can't make me wrong (because I'm clearly not wrong), so you"want to change the subject. Doesn't work that way.
I don't see where I am being hypocritical by being concerned about the budget and the deficit, your typical answer is whatabout which only deflects from the issue being discussed, what evidence have you seen that the tax cuts are producing longterm economic gains? The things i see are not good
"Obama's worked better than Bush's "
You might be right. See? Its possible to admit the other side is right.
"Trump didn't start out in a hole"
No he didn't. But the lower unemployment is, the more difficult it is, to get it lower. Same with the stock market. But the fact is (whether you hate it or not), unemployment is lower, and the stock market is higher, than when Trump took office.
Obama gets good marks from me on handling the economy. So does Trump. I can say that about both men, because I am not bound by partisanship, but motivated by truth.
"The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits"
Not until Bush jr.
"Limiting political speech"
Let me get this straight. You are claiming that the GOP wants to silence those on the other side? No irony there, just ask Ben Shapiro or Ann Coulter.
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The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO until Baby Donny Bonespur
You have a short memory, this was your comment in another thread
"Stupid move, with awful optics, by a petty man. Even Obama, also a vindictive thin-skinned baby, never went this far.
Not a good month for Trump..." |
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07-25-2018, 09:33 AM
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There is a lot of passion on both sides, that's a good thing. It means people care.
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07-25-2018, 09:38 AM
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Where you are wrong is that the biggest aholes roaming the country side are at Trump rallies.
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No, those are just your everyday run of the mill a-holes. Trump haters are a whole new breed who feel they are entitled to get into people's faces, that don't unequivocally renounce him, and call them names and tell them why they are wrong, all becaue they spotted a red hat or a bumper sticker. |
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07-25-2018, 10:06 AM
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No, those are just your everyday run of the mill a-holes. Trump haters are a whole new breed who feel they are entitled to get into people's faces, that don't unequivocally renounce him, and call them names and tell them why they are wrong, all becaue they spotted a red hat or a bumper sticker.
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I wasnt aware that was happening. Aholes in all walks of life. I think it was RIJimmy that said "people suck"
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07-25-2018, 10:16 AM
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No, those are just your everyday run of the mill a-holes. Trump haters are a whole new breed who feel they are entitled to get into people's faces, that don't unequivocally renounce him, and call them names and tell them why they are wrong, all becaue they spotted a red hat or a bumper sticker.
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Someone’s got to do it.
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07-25-2018, 10:24 AM
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Let's be honest, out of the two classes of aholes discussed, supporting the racist commrade spewing his bigoted falsehoods makes one a bigger ahole.
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07-25-2018, 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Pete F.
The republican Platform has never been Higher Deficits, Tariffs, Limiting political speech, Anti NATO until Baby Donny Bonespur
You have a short memory, this was your comment in another thread
"Stupid move, with awful optics, by a petty man. Even Obama, also a vindictive thin-skinned baby, never went this far.
Not a good month for Trump..."
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"I don't see where I am being hypocritical "
I didn't mean you specifically, but liberals in general. All of their concerns flip flop depending on who is POTUS, there's no principled convictions there.
"your typical answer is whatabout "
I think I only go there when the hypocrisy is laughable. That's not my "typical" answer, my typical answer is to point to actual empirical evidence.
Not sure what you mean by my short memory. I said it wasn't a good month for Trump, he acted stupidly, and I stand by that. I still like much of what he's doing. |
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07-25-2018, 10:37 AM
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I wasnt aware that was happening. Aholes in all walks of life. I think it was RIJimmy that said "people suck"
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Quick story.
My mother in law passed away last November the weekend before Thanksgiving. So we had the funeral the saturday after Thanksgiving. After the funeral we were all hanging out at her house having a couple of drinks and just shooting the breeze. My son comes up and said that his girlfriends mom wanted to come by and give her condolences and if that was cool. I was like "Of Course it is" I hadn't met her yet so this was our first time meeting.
So my son comes up with her and introduces her to us, and my wife's uncle (a foaming at the mouth Trump hater) immediately asks her who she voted for? Not a "Hi" or "Nice to meet you" it was 'Who did you vote for?"
She gets the look on her face because she knows what's coming next and say " I voted for Trump". My wife's Uncle immediately launches into a tirade about Trump and why she would ever vote for him, asks her what her stance is on abortion, and ends the whole thing with "What the F**k is wrong with you?"
The woman's only crime was casting a vote for someone he didn't like and the only thing she wanted to do was pay her respects for HIS SISTER!!!
After she left I looked at him and asked him "What the F**k is wrong with you?". he honestly thought he didn't do anything wrong.
These are the people I'm talking about, the true Trump haters that can't reside in the world of common decency just because his name is mentioned.
I get why people don't like the guy, hell, I think he is a class A douche, but I would never EVER treat somebody that way over a friggin vote they cast.
I've heard/seen people calling other people racists, and other names, just because they voted for him. It's rediculous. I've been called that just because I won't roll over and disavow is very existence. And I didn't even vote for the guy, I just don't let him reside in my head rent free. |
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07-25-2018, 10:39 AM
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Let's be honest, out of the two classes of aholes discussed, supporting the racist commrade spewing his bigoted falsehoods makes one a bigger ahole.
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See above |
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07-25-2018, 10:41 AM
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Let's be honest, out of the two classes of aholes discussed, supporting the racist commrade spewing his bigoted falsehoods makes one a bigger ahole.
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Black unemployment has never been lower. If he's a racist, he's apparently not a very good racist.
Hilary, in a prepared speech, called half the country deplorable, irredeemable, racists, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc. Why isn't that as bad as anything Trump has ever said?
When Trump bashes those who disagree with him, he gets called out for it - as he should.
When Obama ("Republicans gotta stop just hatin' all the time") or Hilary do the same thing, they get a pass. Why? Because they are more polished and articulate? Is the delivery more important than the message? I don't think so. |
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07-25-2018, 11:08 AM
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[QUOTE=Pete F.;1147356]
And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter
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Well if GDP is your concern, you will almost certainly be seeing some really good news Friday. Watch how it gets spun if GDP growth is north of 3.5%.
Because (1) the economy is soaring, and (2) democrats can't bring themselves to admit that...the democrats are getting more and more creative/extreme in terms of economic "improvements" that they will bring to the table, like "free" tuition, a guaranteed income, and unicorns that poop gold and pee milk shakes.
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07-25-2018, 12:00 PM
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Well if GDP is your concern, you will almost certainly be seeing some really good news Friday. Watch how it gets spun if GDP growth is north of 3.5%.
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The GDP numbers are going to be very high, mostly fueled by companies stockpiling goods and materials to avoid paying higher prices due to the tariffs.
It's not spin, it's all in the numbers.
Of course Trump is going to take another victory lap and you'll once again fail to see beyond your nose.
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07-25-2018, 12:11 PM
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[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1147405]
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And growth hasn’t really sped up either — real per capita gross domestic product growth was only 1.34 percent in the first quarter
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Well if GDP is your concern, you will almost certainly be seeing some really good news Friday. Watch how it gets spun if GDP growth is north of 3.5%.
Because (1) the economy is soaring, and (2) democrats can't bring themselves to admit that...the democrats are getting more and more creative/extreme in terms of economic "improvements" that they will bring to the table, like "free" tuition, a guaranteed income, and unicorns that poop gold and pee milk shakes.
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Soaring?
Remember this is a country, not a real estate deal, you need good longterm policy, not just a great meeting.
Lots of people in my industry who have concerns, do you think this is a liberal publication?
https://www.constructionequipment.co...13&bid=2184490
Meanwhile Bernie and the chick from Queens had thousands attend a rally in flyover land that promoted the things that obviously scare you most.
Healthcare
Social Security
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Gun Control
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