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Old 01-10-2005, 12:14 PM   #1
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Thumbs up Heads Roll At CBS over unsubstantiated %$%$%$%$ Guard Story



Four CBS Employees Ousted for 'Memogate'

Monday, January 10, 2005

By Catherine Donaldson-Evans



NEW YORK — Four CBS News employees, including three executives, have been let go for the parts they played in preparing the controversial "60 Minutes Wednesday" election-season story about President %$%$%$%$'s National Guard service, CBS announced Monday.

Asked to resign were Senior Vice President Betsy West, who supervised CBS News primetime programs; "60 Minutes Wednesday" Executive Producer Josh Howard and Howard's deputy, Senior Broadcast Producer Mary Murphy, according to CBS. The producer of the piece, Mary Mapes (search), was terminated, the network said.

Longtime CBS News anchor Dan Rather (search), who was the correspondent on the September segment, already announced his departure as anchor of "CBS Evening News" late last year. His final show will be in March.

The CBS staffer oustings came with the release of the final report by an independent investigation panel assigned to look into what happened with the CBS %$%$%$%$ National Guard story (search) — which alleged that the president had shirked some of his guard duties and received special treatment during his Vietnam War-era service.

The CBS report turned out to be based largely on forged memos, though there has been no evidence the network knew the documents were falsified.

To read the CBS report, click here (pdf).

The panel stopped short of saying the CBS story arose out of any political bias on the part of the network or its news coverage.

Instead, the report concluded that the problematic National Guard segment aired because of a "myopic zeal" on the part of CBS to break the story first.

After the CBS segment aired, %$%$%$%$'s National Guard service became a hot campaign issue during the contentious presidential race for the White House between him and Massachusetts Sen. John %$%$%$%$%$.

The %$%$%$%$ camp defended the president's service to his country in the National Guard and released some documents of its own in an effort to prove that the allegations and questions about whether he fulfilled his duties were false.

After the story and ensuing fallout, questions have remained about whether there was any truth to any of the allegations raised about %$%$%$%$'s military service in spite of the fact that the CBS piece hinged on doctored memos. There were independent reports circulating that backed up the CBS segment's assertions, but they haven't been proven.

In its report, the panel concluded that the network news organization failed to follow basic journalistic principles in preparing, reporting and following the %$%$%$%$ piece.

CBS News also made matters worse by its "rigid and blind" defense of the "60 Minutes Wednesday" segment, the panel reported.

CBS thought it had an important scoop with the National Guard story, reporting that %$%$%$%$ had received preferential treatment to get into the Guard and stay in the United States during the Vietnam War, and had failed to satisfy the requirements of his service.

But critics immediately questioned the story, saying a document purportedly written by %$%$%$%$'s late squadron leader appeared to be a fake.

Rather and CBS initially defended the piece. Rather later apologized on Sept. 20 before CBS appointed the investigative panel.

"We made a mistake in judgment," Rather said, "and for that I am sorry."

The panel found that the news organization should have set the record straight earlier.

"The panel finds that once serious questions were raised, the defense of the segment became more rigid and emphatic, and that virtually no attempt was made to determine whether the questions raised had merit," the report concluded.

CBS News President Andrew Heyward (search) on Sept. 10 ordered West, one of the ousted executives, to investigate and review the opinions of document experts who had seen the disputed memos and unnamed sources that formed the basis for the %$%$%$%$ National Guard story.

That investigation never happened, the panel's report said.

"Had this directive been followed promptly, the panel does not believe that '60 Minutes Wednesday' would have publicly defended the segment for another 10 days," the report said.

Criticism has swirled about how Rather was handled in the so-called "Memogate" scandal. Rather announced his March resignation on "CBS Evening News" on Nov. 23, saying he was planning to retire soon anyway. He said he was not stepping down over the National Guard story controversy.

“The mistake of Dan Rather is that he said, ‘I don’t make mistakes,’” Jeff Jarvis, who runs the Weblog site Buzzmachine.com, told FOX News on Monday.

“There was a lot of buck-passing here,” Jarvis told FOX.

The panel made a number of recommendations for changes, according to CBS, including:

— Appoint a "senior standards and practices" executive who would report directly to the president of CBS News and would review all investigative reporting, use of confidential sources and authentication of documents. Other staffers could go to the new executive confidentially with any concerns they might have about a story.

— Foster an atmosphere in which competitive pressure is not allowed to prompt airing of reports before all investigation and vetting is done.

— Allow senior management to know the names of confidential sources as well as all relevant background about the person needed to make news judgments.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.
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Old 01-10-2005, 12:14 PM   #2
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This is funny...B U S H is a censored-swear word?
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Old 01-10-2005, 12:29 PM   #3
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At least they had the good sense to ensure some exec's took it hard over this. Talk about a backfire...

The lesson in accountability would be good for the Whitehouse, I hope they are paying attention

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Old 01-10-2005, 12:32 PM   #4
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And Blather escapes unscathed? Lots of justice going around at CBS! NOT.

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Old 01-10-2005, 01:14 PM   #6
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What blows my mind is that this is all over that silly document that was proved to be fake. Everyone knows George was missing for a whole year, and to prove it, not one single person in his squad can account for seeing him durring that year he was missing. Can you say smokescrean? Just anotherway the tail wags the dog
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Old 01-10-2005, 02:46 PM   #7
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Eb, I guess I don't understand what you are trying to say. A major news network broke a story based on false documents, did less than a high school student would have done to validate the documents, then after doubt was raised, absolutely stood by their story.......smokescreen???

This is absolute proof what many of us were saying during the B vs K posts out here. The media is SICKLY biased towards the demo party and this time they went to far and got burned. Mapes, the producer was said by some to be "obsessed" with getting a story to put GWB down. During a newscast, Dan Rather never referred to GWB as Pres. Bu** but as Mr. Bu**. WHo the heck is he? Whether you hate him or not, respect the office
I am glad justice was done, the media should NOT be biased but should report the truth, regardless of who is in thr white house and who they want to be Pres.
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Old 01-10-2005, 03:25 PM   #8
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This is absolute proof what many of us were saying during the B vs K posts out here. The media is SICKLY biased towards the demo party and this time they went to far and got burned.
Interesting how you take a very isolated failure and paint the entire media and democratic party with the blame

In all honesty I think the "Liberal Media Conspiracy" is a bunch of hooey dreamed up by conservatives (like Rush Limbaugh) to justify their existance. While there certianly are liberal and conservative media outlets, a lot of reporting is labeled by those who don't like it. I seem to vividly recall the "Liberal Media Conspiracy" strongly behind the Iraq war pre-invasion, bashing John K3rry relentlessly with exposure to Swift Vets etc... and doing an altogether shamefull job of not covering stories about Administration policy that is clearly dishonest.

Fox News is dominating cable with a staff full conservative pundits, and seemingly a "breaking news" lever hardwired to the Whitehouse Press Office.

While Air America makes modest inroads in radio, Rush, Hannity, Savage etc... still occupy most of the air time.

Whatever news outlet you do frequent, I would encourage you to abide by these 3 rules:

1 News that is critical of the President or Whitehouse policy is not automatically Liberal news.

2. Simply talking about things that a conservative wouldn't necessarily cover(i.e. poverty, HIV etc..) is not on it's own being Liberal.

3. There is always another viewpoint, or facts that are not being reported. Take the time to look at multiple facets and your understanding of the issue will always be enhanced.

And just for shyts and giggles, go pick up a copy of Harpers or if you really want to hear an American Socialists message, Utne. When you calibrate to what genuine liberals talk about, you'll think even the NYTimes is pretty damn objective.

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What i am saying is that that document could have easily been fabricated by some republican supporter to send the sniffing dogs off course, and in doing so totally make george look innocent. I mean if the document is false, the whole national guard scandal must be false too right??... I dont think so.

I'm staying out of this- i got too much on my plate to debate about this..
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When the swift vets ads appeared, the media tore it apart....that’s a good thing. I want to hear both sides of the issues. When the GWB papers broke, CBS did not tear it apart. The source of the documents was a known anti GWB person and once doubt was raised, CBS stood by the story, blindly without any grounds.
I don’t believe in a liberal conspiracy, but the media has a strong liberal bias. That’s not from the conservatives, but is a generally accepted fact by most of the moderate observers. Can you honesty say the Boston Globe is NOT a liberal media outlet? CNN? Cargill and Begala are on the staff and managed Clinton's entire career as well as advised %$%$%$%$%$, they're not biased?
I want the media to tear apart the GWB admin, but it has to work both ways. Look how they treat Bill Clinton, the interviews are like he is some kind of poor mis-guided soul. They feel bad for him. An ex-American president can not even be a trial lawyer for a parking ticket because he broke the law, as a lawyer and a president. The guy is a criminal and a scumbag.
I expect the media to be rough on everyone, they are not. All I ask is to see both sides, I believe (not because of Fox, Limbaugh, or any others) that the media is very biased towards the liberal viewpoint. Want another example? After this election, the evening news reported that "Moral issues" were a major factor, roughly 20% of voters said in the exit polls. The media blew this all out and led the public to believe that Evang. Christians won the vote for %$%$%$%$. Well, in reality..... in 2000, the % of voters who cited moral issues was over 40% and in 96 it was around 30%. Soooo, this election year the moral vote was way less than previous years. No bias? Why didnt they report this? The media was looking to once again divide and blame by only telling 1/2 the story.
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I don’t believe in a liberal conspiracy...
I do. Who do you think planted those operatives in the first place?

C'mon, haven't you been keeping up with the X-Files or Men In Black?
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Old 01-14-2005, 09:57 AM   #14
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Spence - Change is painful isn't it?

Fox News is dominating cable

Maybe because people are tired of ABC, CBS & NBC putting their spin on the news & deciding what the people should hear?
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Originally posted by RIJIMMY When the swift vets ads appeared, the media tore it apart....that’s a good thing.
I don't know if I would agree with this. FOX News treated the SwiftVets as gods, and the rest of the cable media gave them plenty of air time with little counter. They took it much harder in the print media, but this has much less exposure. There were good sub-plots in this story that would have greatly discredited the group and O'Neil, but these wern't covered much at all.
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I want to hear both sides of the issues. When the GWB papers broke, CBS did not tear it apart. The source of the documents was a known anti GWB person and once doubt was raised, CBS stood by the story, blindly without any grounds.
Amen on hearing both sides, and CBS deserved all the heat they've taken over this.

I think a very interesting parallel is with the Administration's connections to Achmed Chalibi as a source of Iraqi intel. Here's a guy who's a known criminal and scam artist with a clear agenda, who walks into the Pentagon and tells the Administration exactly what they wanted to hear...oh yea, he made it all up also!

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I don’t believe in a liberal conspiracy, but the media has a strong liberal bias. That’s not from the conservatives, but is a generally accepted fact by most of the moderate observers. Can you honesty say the Boston Globe is NOT a liberal media outlet? CNN? Cargill and Begala are on the staff and managed Clinton's entire career as well as advised Buhs, they're not biased?
The liberal media conspiracy is a fabrication by conservative pundits to make their rhetoric seem more centrist. The real liberal progressive left has little to no representation in mainstream media outlets aside from the coverage of Michael Moore who's seen as a wacko by most. Many overlook his dubias methods because he's the only one putting up a fight.

A lot of what's percieved as liberal bias in the media really isn't. Covering a story on poverty is usually seen as liberal, when it isn't really, unless it twists facts to present a biased view. Conservatives need to care about things like hunger and liberals need to care about things like the economy. Don't belive me? "Liberal Patriot" ...does this look strange? If so you've been duped.

Just because a paper has a more liberal editorial staff doesn't make it a liberal paper. Even the NYT which takes a lot of heat from conservatives has ran thousands of front page stories that are clearly not "liberal". I'm sure there are examples of editorial decisions being made here or there that are biased, but that still doesn't necessarily make it a liberal paper or discount the quality and accuracy of the reporting.

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I want the media to tear apart the GWB admin, but it has to work both ways.
The media is terrified of the Administration. They allow so little access to the President there's too much risk in getting shut off. If there really was a liberal media conspiracy Buhs would have gotten smoked in November.
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Look how they treat Bill Clinton, the interviews are like he is some kind of poor mis-guided soul. They feel bad for him. An ex-American president can not even be a trial lawyer for a parking ticket because he broke the law, as a lawyer and a president. The guy is a criminal and a scumbag.
There certianly is a bit of empathy for Clinton. I was never a huge fan, and I lost a tremendous amount of respect when he lied...bbbbuuuuutttttt....you have to admit that Whitewater was a complete witch hunt that cost the taxpayers millions and was completely unjustified. The whole Lewisnky affair certianly didn't warrant the disruption to the US Government and the cost.

Clinton actually does have a list of positive things he did under his 8 years, and his approval rating at ~57% upon his exit is quite amazing considering he was impeached!

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Want another example? After this election, the evening news reported that "Moral issues" were a major factor, roughly 20% of voters said in the exit polls. The media blew this all out and led the public to believe that Evang. Christians won the vote for %$%$%$%$. Well, in reality..... in 2000, the % of voters who cited moral issues was over 40% and in 96 it was around 30%. Soooo, this election year the moral vote was way less than previous years. No bias? Why didnt they report this? The media was looking to once again divide and blame by only telling 1/2 the story.
Again I don't agree. The media latched on to the "moral values" story because they were looking for a scoop. You know how they will jump at anything...then drop it later. A lot of this is being feed by the GOP as well...there were gay marriage amendments on 11 state ballots, a failed constitutional amendment...the GOP did make a clear play for the religious vote...when the media realized the story wasn't going anywhere it went away...doesn't mean this was bias.

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Spence, ever watch Chris Mathhews on Hardball?
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FWW, What the hell is that........You got rid of the cute girl w/ the hat for THAT......you do have issues

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Spence, ever watch Chris Mathhews on Hardball?
Sometimes...He's usually pretty good, although recently his disdain for Buhs is showing more and more

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I don't think there's enough beer at the Sam Adams Brewery to make that Hairdo look good..

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Shoot. Maybe I'll have to go on a diet.

p.s. Sam Adams is brewed in Pittsburgh. The facility in Jamaica (Boston) is only a showroom for tourists.
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Actually it's contract brewed at several locations around the country...

And I think your HoTT.

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