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Old 02-21-2019, 08:41 AM   #61
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Didn't Fox and Brietbart just accuse AOC of hiring her boyfriend when a simple call to her office would have cleared things up?

So your suggestion seems to be to wait until everything is finalized and some authourity says that it is ok to report the news.
here’s the difference between me and you. if fox did that, they should be ashamed, because politically motivated smear does nothing except undermine your credibility. plus i’m her case, there’s more than enough genuine stupidity to keep reporters busy, no need to fabricate or exaggerate.

who is going after the liberal politicians for jumping the gun?
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No, the difference between you and me is that I don't comment on something that fox news does wrong. I realize mistake are made - especially with the 24 hr min. by min news cycle so I'm not petty enough to comment on everything I see wrong with fox and then start ranting about the right this, the right that. etc etc etc. blah blah blah cry cry cry.
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here’s the difference between me and you. if fox did that, they should be ashamed, because politically motivated smear does nothing except undermine your credibility. plus i’m her case, there’s more than enough genuine stupidity to keep reporters busy, no need to fabricate or exaggerate.

who is going after the liberal politicians for jumping the gun?
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If the incident actually happened would you condemn it or wait until when?
If an illegal immigrant did something would you wait till after the conviction to decry it or do it at first report? Better look at past posts before you answer
Meanwhile your hero, who you don’t really like, called for the execution of 5 teenage boys for years and continued after they were exonerated, no issue there
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PeteF. ,even after you have seen Jim criticize the man when called for,you still refer to him as his hero. Are you stupid or trying to antagonize? Take your pick.
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No, the difference between you and me is that I don't comment on something that fox news does wrong. I realize mistake are made - especially with the 24 hr min. by min news cycle so I'm not petty enough to comment on everything I see wrong with fox and then start ranting about the right this, the right that. etc etc etc. blah blah blah cry cry cry.
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Smollet looked to take advantage of the growing wedge that people willingly drive further and further in this country. What ever his motive (career, hatred for Trump, SJW cred) he further divided people based on his actions. Strong penalty.

People were too willing to make SJ points on this, particularly the political left that are eating each other to be king of the hill.


This has happened time and time again, people with axes or careers to grind having to be early and memorable.

And time and time again the News Media has to be intertwined with the virtue signaling Kommentariat on Social Media.

We are in a post "Just the Facts, Mam" world.

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i hope this guy has good people around him so he doesn’t hurt himself or worse. this is a bizarre situation, hope he’s ok and maybe, just maybe, we can all learn from this. not everyone who chose not to vote for hilary, is a disgusting hate monger. there are some really, really decent people who voted for trump, justbasnthere are some really, really great people who voted for hilary. neither side has a monopoly on virtue or evil.
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If the incident actually happened would you condemn it or wait until when?
If an illegal immigrant did something would you wait till after the conviction to decry it or do it at first report? Better look at past posts before you answer
Meanwhile your hero, who you don’t really like, called for the execution of 5 teenage boys for years and continued after they were exonerated, no issue there
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...50842901933961
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if the incident actually happened, what have i ever said that would
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If the incident actually happened would you condemn it or wait until when?
If an illegal immigrant did something would you wait till after the conviction to decry it or do it at first report? Better look at past posts before you answer
Meanwhile your hero, who you don’t really like, called for the execution of 5 teenage boys for years and continued after they were exonerated, no issue there
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do conservatives have a demonstrable history of faking crimes and blaming them on illegal
aliens, in order to make their point?

regardless, i have absolutely rushed to judgment and i shouldn’t. but it’s far worse when the media, hollywood, or politicians do it, as they have influence. i can’t even influence
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If the incident actually happened would you condemn it or wait until when?
If an illegal immigrant did something would you wait till after the conviction to decry it or do it at first report? Better look at past posts before you answer
Meanwhile your hero, who you don’t really like, called for the execution of 5 teenage boys for years and continued after they were exonerated, no issue there
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"I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

— Donald Trump on Saturday, November 21st, 2015 in comments during a speech

Arguing that there are terrorist sympathizers in the United States, Donald Trump says he saw "thousands" of New Jerseyans celebrating after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

"I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down," the Republican presidential candidate said at a Nov. 21 rally in Birmingham, Ala. "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

The next day, ABC This Week host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump if he misspoke, noting that "the police say that didn't happen."

Trump -- who has said he was in his Manhattan apartment the morning of the attack -- doubled down.

"It was on television. I saw it," Trump said. "It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good."
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do conservatives have a demonstrable history of faking crimes and blaming them on illegal
aliens, in order to make their point?

regardless, i have absolutely rushed to judgment and i shouldn’t. but it’s far worse when the media, hollywood, or politicians do it, as they have influence. i can’t even influence
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Conservatives never make #^&#^&#^&#^& up


This morning we learned the utterly unsurprising news that the loon who’s—allegedly—been mailing crude bombs to every Democratic politician and TV talking head he could think of is—allegedly—a gentleman named Cesar Sayoc, who seems to be devoted to Donald Trump. And since then a few ordinarily chatty folks on Twitter have gone inexplicably radio silent.
Some talking heads in Trumpworld, you see, had backed themselves into a bit of a corner over the last few days, making increasingly bombastic pronouncements and speculations—they were just asking questions!—that the perpetrator was not a mentally imbalanced Republican, but a crooked, calculating #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& looking to drum up sympathy for the Democratic party before the midterms.

Dinesh D'Souza

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Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs. We are all learning how the media left are masters of distortion, deflection & deception

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This guy Cesar is looking like a "sleeper" implanted by the Democrats just for such an occasion as this. I mean, c'mon, that van is ridiculous.

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12:24 PM - Oct 26, 2018

Candace Owens

Rush Limbaugh

Lou Dobbs

Ann Coulter


Donald Trump

Hey, don’t act so surprised! President Trump can never resist a good Twitter conspiracy, and he let rip with his own spin on the formula Friday morning:

@realDonaldTrump
Republicans are doing so well in early voting, and at the polls, and now this “Bomb” stuff happens and the momentum greatly slows - news not talking politics. Very unfortunate, what is going on. Republicans, go out and vote!

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That's just one issue, we could go into lies about immigrants and asylum seekers.

But never fear we can forgive conservatives ignorance of facts, though this is science and likely fake.

As of August 1, fact-checkers found that Donald Trump made 4,229 false or misleading statements during his brief presidency, enough to require a container ship to haul them whenever he travels abroad.

At the same time, he’s still supported by 91 percent of Republicans. Why the dichotomy? Science has an explanation.

The non-partisan Pew Research Center surveyed 5,000 people, presenting them with 10 statements -- five of which were factual, and five mere opinion – asking them to identify each. Across the board, people age 49 and under more accurately separated fact from pretense of fact. Or to put it less politely, those 50 and older were decidedly more gullible.



The reason, researchers speculate, is that younger people are more digitally savvy, and thus have more finely tuned bull#^&#^&#^&#^& meters. They’re also considerably more educated and less likely to identify with a specific party, meaning they’re less prone to confuse doctrine for truth.

This presents a problem for Republicans. As a general rule, the older you are, the more conservative you’re likely to be. Which leads us to a second study by Britain’s famed Oxford University.

Researchers there monitored 47,000 U.S. Facebook pages and 13,500 Twitter accounts, tracking who was mostly likely to read or peddle “junk news,” defined as sites that “deliberately publish misleading, deceptive or incorrect information.”


Their findings: “Hard-right” conservatives shared more fake news stories than all other groups combined. Despite their protestations, they’re also the largest consumers of fake news.

Combine the two studies, and one might conclude that conservatives aren’t propagating fraud on purpose. They simply can’t tell the difference. And that’s reflected in their choice of news outlets.

When Fairleigh #^&#^&#^&#^&inson University researchers tried to equate civic knowledge with various news sources, it asked people basic questions like, "Which party has the most seats in the House of Representatives?"

Viewers of Fox News, the televised arm of the GOP, scored at the bottom of 30 popular news sources. In fact, the survey found that viewers of Fox were less informed than people who followed no news at all.

So, dear reader, the next time you see online commenters talk of “crisis actors,” the “deep state,” or migrant gangs coming to take Minnesota’s lake homes, show some mercy. They know not what they speak.

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Old 02-21-2019, 11:30 AM   #72
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Scott, you missed the point. It's OK when he does it, it's only a character flaw when I do it.
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Conservatives never make #^&#^&#^&#^& up


This morning we learned the utterly unsurprising news that the loon who’s—allegedly—been mailing crude bombs to every Democratic politician and TV talking head he could think of is—allegedly—a gentleman named Cesar Sayoc, who seems to be devoted to Donald Trump. And since then a few ordinarily chatty folks on Twitter have gone inexplicably radio silent.
Some talking heads in Trumpworld, you see, had backed themselves into a bit of a corner over the last few days, making increasingly bombastic pronouncements and speculations—they were just asking questions!—that the perpetrator was not a mentally imbalanced Republican, but a crooked, calculating #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& looking to drum up sympathy for the Democratic party before the midterms.

Dinesh D'Souza

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Fake sexual assault victims. Fake refugees. Now fake mail bombs. We are all learning how the media left are masters of distortion, deflection & deception

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11:21 AM - Oct 25, 2018

Bill Mitchell

This guy Cesar is looking like a "sleeper" implanted by the Democrats just for such an occasion as this. I mean, c'mon, that van is ridiculous.

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12:24 PM - Oct 26, 2018

Candace Owens

Rush Limbaugh

Lou Dobbs

Ann Coulter


Donald Trump

Hey, don’t act so surprised! President Trump can never resist a good Twitter conspiracy, and he let rip with his own spin on the formula Friday morning:

@realDonaldTrump
Republicans are doing so well in early voting, and at the polls, and now this “Bomb” stuff happens and the momentum greatly slows - news not talking politics. Very unfortunate, what is going on. Republicans, go out and vote!

107K
9:19 AM - Oct 26, 2018

That's just one issue, we could go into lies about immigrants and asylum seekers.

But never fear we can forgive conservatives ignorance of facts, though this is science and likely fake.

As of August 1, fact-checkers found that Donald Trump made 4,229 false or misleading statements during his brief presidency, enough to require a container ship to haul them whenever he travels abroad.

At the same time, he’s still supported by 91 percent of Republicans. Why the dichotomy? Science has an explanation.

The non-partisan Pew Research Center surveyed 5,000 people, presenting them with 10 statements -- five of which were factual, and five mere opinion – asking them to identify each. Across the board, people age 49 and under more accurately separated fact from pretense of fact. Or to put it less politely, those 50 and older were decidedly more gullible.



The reason, researchers speculate, is that younger people are more digitally savvy, and thus have more finely tuned bull#^&#^&#^&#^& meters. They’re also considerably more educated and less likely to identify with a specific party, meaning they’re less prone to confuse doctrine for truth.

This presents a problem for Republicans. As a general rule, the older you are, the more conservative you’re likely to be. Which leads us to a second study by Britain’s famed Oxford University.

Researchers there monitored 47,000 U.S. Facebook pages and 13,500 Twitter accounts, tracking who was mostly likely to read or peddle “junk news,” defined as sites that “deliberately publish misleading, deceptive or incorrect information.”


Their findings: “Hard-right” conservatives shared more fake news stories than all other groups combined. Despite their protestations, they’re also the largest consumers of fake news.

Combine the two studies, and one might conclude that conservatives aren’t propagating fraud on purpose. They simply can’t tell the difference. And that’s reflected in their choice of news outlets.

When Fairleigh #^&#^&#^&#^&inson University researchers tried to equate civic knowledge with various news sources, it asked people basic questions like, "Which party has the most seats in the House of Representatives?"

Viewers of Fox News, the televised arm of the GOP, scored at the bottom of 30 popular news sources. In fact, the survey found that viewers of Fox were less informed than people who followed no news at all.

So, dear reader, the next time you see online commenters talk of “crisis actors,” the “deep state,” or migrant gangs coming to take Minnesota’s lake homes, show some mercy. They know not what they speak.
"Conservatives never make #^&#^&#^&#^& up"

Once again, you respond to something that no one has ever said. Sure, there are tons of conservatives who lie. Is there a pattern of making up crimes to punish liberals we disagree with?

"As of August 1, fact-checkers found that Donald Trump made 4,229 false or misleading statements during his brief presidency,"

How many of those lies were told in the hopes of imprisoning the people being lied about? That's what we're talking about. Try to keep up.
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"I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering" as the World Trade Center collapsed.

— Donald Trump on Saturday, November 21st, 2015 in comments during a speech

Arguing that there are terrorist sympathizers in the United States, Donald Trump says he saw "thousands" of New Jerseyans celebrating after the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001.

"I watched when the World Trade Center came tumbling down," the Republican presidential candidate said at a Nov. 21 rally in Birmingham, Ala. "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

The next day, ABC This Week host George Stephanopoulos asked Trump if he misspoke, noting that "the police say that didn't happen."

Trump -- who has said he was in his Manhattan apartment the morning of the attack -- doubled down.

"It was on television. I saw it," Trump said. "It was well covered at the time, George. Now, I know they don't like to talk about it, but it was well covered at the time. There were people over in New Jersey that were watching it, a heavy Arab population, that were cheering as the buildings came down. Not good."
Here, a NJ police captain confirms Trump's claim. So who is lying?

https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-pol...ebrate-on-911/
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Scott, you missed the point. It's OK when he does it, it's only a character flaw when I do it.
I didn't start a thread about it. I only posted to show you that boths sides/everyone does it.

Sorry if you missed the point.
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Here, a NJ police captain confirms Trump's claim. So who is lying?

https://nypost.com/2015/12/21/nj-pol...ebrate-on-911/
Trump said he saw it from his home which was like 5 miles from Jersey city. He also claims "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

So obviously Trump is lying again.
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Trump said he saw it from his home which was like 5 miles from Jersey city. He also claims "And I watched in Jersey City, N.J., where thousands and thousands of people were cheering as that building was coming down. Thousands of people were cheering."

So obviously Trump is lying again.
I have little doubt he lied. His lie, would not have sent anyone to prison, would it? Did he name specific people by name, like what happened to that Sandman kid in KY, who may soon own the Washington Post?
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OK, so getting back on topic, apparently he admitted to mailing himself the letters and creating this hoax.

Yeah, it's going to help his career....if he wanted to be seen on "TMZ" or "Celebrity wanna-be Jeopardy" or some other train-wreck glamorizing waste-of-time show!!!

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OK, so getting back on topic, apparently he admitted to mailing himself the letters and creating this hoax.

Yeah, it's going to help his career....if he wanted to be seen on "TMZ" or "Celebrity wanna-be Jeopardy" or some other train-wreck glamorizing waste-of-time show!!!
perpetrating a hoax didn’t hurt Al Sharpton.
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I have little doubt he lied. His lie, would not have sent anyone to prison, would it? Did he name specific people by name, like what happened to that Sandman kid in KY, who may soon own the Washington Post?
Ok, bc I was confused bc you asked earlier who was the one lying.

I believe Trump repeatedly said that the central park 5 raped the women even after everyone else knew they didn't do it. So he continued to try to ruin their lives. And Trump continued to lie about "thousands and thousands" celebrating the WTC. I'm sure many faced repercussions from his continuing lying.

And the Repub. made him our President. If he was a Dem. you would be starting weekly threads stating how the Dems. don't have any morals and blah blah blah.
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Its going to hurt this guy, a lot.

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Its going to hurt this guy, a lot.
We'll see.

Pundits at CNN are "heartbroken" that the hate crime didn't happen. They would prefer that a racist hate crime had taken place. No agenda there, no sir. That's where we are, they'd be happier if he was beaten by whites, had a noose tied around his neck, and sprayed with bleach.

All about The Narrative. Between the Covington case and this, I think The Narrative is going to check itself into rehab.
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Ok, bc I was confused bc you asked earlier who was the one lying.

I believe Trump repeatedly said that the central park 5 raped the women even after everyone else knew they didn't do it. So he continued to try to ruin their lives. And Trump continued to lie about "thousands and thousands" celebrating the WTC. I'm sure many faced repercussions from his continuing lying.

And the Repub. made him our President. If he was a Dem. you would be starting weekly threads stating how the Dems. don't have any morals and blah blah blah.
Not sure how many times I have to say that Trump is a scumbag. I can admit that. You point out the bad stuff he does, and I say you're right he's a scumbag. I point out bad stuff the left does, and you respond by pointing out bad stuff Trump does. If you're saying that all these liberal politicians and media talking heads are no better than Trump, I agree (to a point), but you don't seem to want to say that. I point out good and bad on both sides, I don't see you doing that. I see you endlessly pointing out bad stuff that the right does.
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We'll see.

Pundits at CNN are "heartbroken" that the hate crime didn't happen. They would prefer that a racist hate crime had taken place. No agenda there, no sir. That's where we are, they'd be happier if he was beaten by whites, had a noose tied around his neck, and sprayed with bleach.

All about The Narrative. Between the Covington case and this, I think The Narrative is going to check itself into rehab.
Show me the quote from people at CNN saying that, I heard them say either way it was bad. You certainly think, that someone did something really stupid, was a good outcome and it fits right into your narrative.

How's this fit into the Narrative?

Liberals hurt themselves, Conservatives kill others might be the narrative.

‘Domestic terrorist’ intended to ‘murder on a scale rarely seen’
Federal prosecutors have described a serving lieutenant in the US coast guard as a “domestic terrorist” after uncovering his alleged plot to murder Democratic members of Congress, high-profile journalists and civilians “on a scale rarely seen” in the US. Christopher Hasson, a marine corps veteran currently posted to coast guard HQ in Washington DC, is also thought to be a neo-Nazi, who stockpiled at least 15 guns and 1,000 rounds of ammunition at his basement apartment in Silver Spring, Maryland.

Hit list. In a filing to federal court in Maryland, prosecutors said Hasson kept a spreadsheet of his intended targets, which included Representatives Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar, as well as several journalists from CNN and MSNBC.

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If you're saying that all these liberal politicians and media talking heads are no better than Trump, I agree (to a point), but you don't seem to want to say that.I have said that dozens of times. Both sides have bad actors and that is not limited to Trump on the right. I point out good and bad on both sides, I don't see you doing that.True, I don't point out good things on either side. I think I am consistent in that regard. I see you endlessly pointing out bad stuff that the right does.
The vast majority of the time I point out the bad things on the right in response to your blaming the left and it is to show as you said above, to point out that both sides do somethings.
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The vast majority of the time I point out the bad things on the right in response to your blaming the left and it is to show as you said above, to point out that both sides do somethings.
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Even After Sanders, Harris, and Others Enter Race, Bookies Have Donald Trump as Massive 2020 Favorite
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Not sure how many times I have to say that Trump is a scumbag. I can admit that. You point out the bad stuff he does, and I say you're right he's a scumbag. I point out bad stuff the left does, and you respond by pointing out bad stuff Trump does. If you're saying that all these liberal politicians and media talking heads are no better than Trump, I agree (to a point), but you don't seem to want to say that. I point out good and bad on both sides, I don't see you doing that. I see you endlessly pointing out bad stuff that the right does.
If you can still support Don the Con, while ignoring the investigations, indictments, guilty pleas, lies, bullying, child imprisonment, money laundering, racism, misogyny, infidelity, environmental rape, and high treason, you’re not just misinformed.

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If you can still support Don the Con, while ignoring the investigations (still ongoing), indictments (Trump has not been indicted yet), guilty pleas (Trump has not yet pleaded guilty), lies, bullying, child imprisonment (was following precedent), money laundering (Trump has not yet been convicted of money laundering), racism, misogyny (Trump has not actually proven to be racist or mysogynist, in many cases it's quite the contrary), infidelity (not more than his famous predecessors, and not while in office), environmental rape (that's a matter of opinion not a fact), and high treason (He hasn't been officially charged much less proven guilty), you’re not just misinformed.

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Geeeez . . . I thought the very recent Kavanaugh, Covington kids, and Jessie Smollet things would teach us not to rush to judgment!

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