FLW Saltwater Striper Trail

[Basser]

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/daily...9/d01sp122.htm

[Basser]

http://www.nascar.com/2004/news/head...advertisin.ap/

[striperman36]

Excellent articles Pete G. A must read for anyone in business today.
In one word, it is greed or capturing as much share as possible, that drives any large organization.
My industry IT, has been suffering a similar fate, my consulting rates have fallen from a high of 400 per hour USD in 1997 to a 'suggested' rate of 66.50 in the same organization in that 10 years primarily due to globalization of partners. In most cases all but forcing the supplier of choice to be the offshore provider
Large firms like GE, SSBT, AIG, Marsh Mclellan, Fidelity, WalMart lead the shift of IT resources, primarily I believe to maintain proft margins while the cost of services to the retail customer continues to fall as the result of competition in the marketplace.
So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy? An interesting discussion for sure and one that seems to have no historical parallel, except perhaps in the later years of the Roman empire.

Bill

[Skip N]

Walmart employs LOTS of hard working people and pay them ok money for low skilled workers. They are not just minimum wage jobs. They employ lots of folks and provide steady jobs and tax money for towns. Of course alot of the Anti Walmart folks hate them because they are a non union organization. Wich is mainly why i like them becuase i'm not a fan of Unions! The best story is the city of Chicago rejected to have a walmart in the city, so walmart built about a mile outside the city and that town is getting ALL the tax money and Chicago gets nuttin! So not only did Chicago lose money they lost a chance to gain hundreds of jobs for its residents. The anti walmart folks screwed the city of Chicago of millions of $$! Hope that was worth it!

[RIROCKHOUND]

"So not only did Chicago lose money they lost a chance to gain hundreds of jobs for its residents. "


Skip; my guess is that a lot of people from Chicago still got Jobs...

[Joe]

Wallyworld specs out a certain amount of space for big nationally carried fishing products – Bomber, Storm, etc. They get the reps of these companies in a little room at their headquarters in Arkansas and then squeeze em' until they get the best price.

But for the stuff that is regionally specific, my understanding is that they hook up with a local distributor and give them so many square feet of fishing isle and let them fill it as they see fit. If the numbers don’t make it, they get a new distributor.

[Swimmer]

The only way possible would be just as in the redfish tour. How in the world would anybody keep a 40 #er alive to release. I read something a couple of years ago about the big money starting to ebb from the nascar circuit into fishing because fishing was growing at a faster rate. That is even though nascar has the highest paid attendence in the country for any sport. Like they say follow the money...............

[Swimmer]

.......have suddenly become more important.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by tattoobob

I believe it is a hybrid/ land locked contest, not like the Red fish tourny.
I don't like Walmart at all

Its saltwater.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by Joe

I would not worry too much about a pro-striper tour getting a foothold in the norheast.
There are lots of problems - weather, sponsorship and a short season being the three of the largest.
They'll try, and maybe they will even launch a couple, but its not going to fly in this culture. That's a red state sport.

I wouldn't be so sure.Its definetly gonna kick off this Summer.Will it last more than a couple seasons?That's the big question.

[TheSpecialist]

FYI they make huge tubes like the ones they use for tunas on marlin boats, they call them striper tubes and are used in the hybrid tourneys. The fish goes in nose down, and water is pumped up through the mouth and gills keeping the fish alive.

[TheSpecialist]

If Walmart is such a great company to it's employees, why did the feds bust them for forcing their employees to work unpaid ot, work through breaks and lunches without paying them for it. For every good Walmart employee story there are hundreds of negative ones. Unfortunately Walmart fills a giant void in this country, cheasp things for people with little to no money.

[basswipe]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

FYI they make huge tubes like the ones they use for tunas on marlin boats, they call them striper tubes and are used in the hybrid tourneys. The fish goes in nose down, and water is pumped up through the mouth and gills keeping the fish alive.

I read an article about the "striper tube".Apparently its quite effective.

[Rob Rockcrawler]

I really hope that if this tourney gets off the ground that they do it just like freshwater bass tourneys, NO LIVE BAIT. If the eels are really in danger then the publicity they get on TV as being striper crack would really put a hurting on them and the price would bo thru the roof. There is nostalga and history behind the vinyard and otehr local tourneys, they are local and draw a somewhat local croud and pump a ton of cash into the local economies. I must admit that i shop walmart, its not my favorite place to shop for countless reasons but the prices are hard to beat. Damn near anywhere in the country if someone needs anyhting the go to walmart, they suceeded in programing our minds, those bastards...

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Excellent articles Pete G. A must read for anyone in business today.
In one word, it is greed or capturing as much share as possible, that drives any large organization.
My industry IT, has been suffering a similar fate, my consulting rates have fallen from a high of 400 per hour USD in 1997 to a 'suggested' rate of 66.50 in the same organization in that 10 years primarily due to globalization of partners. In most cases all but forcing the supplier of choice to be the offshore provider
Large firms like GE, SSBT, AIG, Marsh Mclellan, Fidelity, WalMart lead the shift of IT resources, primarily I believe to maintain proft margins while the cost of services to the retail customer continues to fall as the result of competition in the marketplace.
So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy? An interesting discussion for sure and one that seems to have no historical parallel, except perhaps in the later years of the Roman empire.

Bill

It's definitely a fascinating business model, especially if you're in the retail industry. When I say it's genius, I really believe that. Hell, I'd probably do the same thing if I had the leverage. Bring lower prices to my customers while protecting my margins? Sounds great to me. But it is dangerous and you word it very well though when you said "So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy?" That is exactly what I feel it is. The numbers SHOW that it is. And I think it will change the US economy for years to come, and I have to doubt it will be for the better. Innovation within our country and increased minimum wages in upcoming nations will probably be the only thing that slows it down. If it doesn't I almost feel it will be the beginning of the end for the US as a superpower if we're not already on the downslope. All countries and empires before us have risen and fallen. No reason to think we won't do the same....

[Mr. Sandman]

http://www.digitalwav.net/download.a...=WSGreed%2Ewav

I think "greed" or "capitalism" as it is known helps keep prices down and creates new markets. I love it. If you want to particapate buy some shares of wallMart or HomeDepot Sure I support my local tackle shops but I don't see our local shops putting together a 500K bass tourney. Why should the FW guys get all the glory?

Also, while I despise shopping at Wallmart, I don't think they intent to make a ton of cash off the striper fishermen.

A 500K tourney in the Northeast...I think it is a good idea and pretty harmless. I may even try and talk FISHON and his Hydra-Sport into signing up! (with me as a "priority" fisherman.... )

What erks me is that some of you have a problem with a rec contest but no problem with comm fishing for bass? Doesn't that sound a little hypocritical to you? Where is the love?

[big jay]

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good.

Greed is right.

Greed works.

Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.

And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.



Thank you very much.


-G. Gecco (1987)

[Skitterpop]

Out of the woodwork

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by big jay

The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good.

Greed is right.

Greed works.

Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.

Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.

And greed -- you mark my words -- will not only save Teldar Paper, but that other malfunctioning corporation called the USA.



Thank you very much.


-G. Gecco (1987)

I love that quote. For the most part...

[Pete_G]

For those who haven't done so, punch "striper tube" into Google. Plenty of interesting reading and info regarding striper tournaments. I never knew stripers couldn't pump water over their gills like a largemouth can until now. Seems there's a fairly big freshwater striper tournment scene out there too.

[Skip N]

Originally Posted by RIROCKHOUND

"So not only did Chicago lose money they lost a chance to gain hundreds of jobs for its residents. "


Skip; my guess is that a lot of people from Chicago still got Jobs...

Yes your prob right...But Chicago still gets squat for tax money. Walmart stuck it to them wich is kinda funny

[Clammer]

I don,t GAF who runs a tournament / but when it comes to money //never mind big money ============It will without doubt draw the biggest cheaters in the business // been there / seen it . F #$%^&*( unreal =what people will do for the glory & the money

I will never ever fish a tournament again nor will I join any club / I did recently join rissa /but will not fish ==I did it because I feel they do some good things for kids & Once a month I see some good friends >><><<

I could easliy write a book with the info I have on what has gone on in tournaments in the past & one that is still presant ////

BUT the glory ,greedy ,almighty fish mobster would probably have me erased /before it ever got published .....

[BasicPatrick]

I hear from a reliable source we are talking $2500 entry fees and other professional requirements to enter. This could be what ASA was supposed to be until Jack Holmes abandoned the tournament and ignored his successful model from the SKA. I also heard it will be NO LIVE BAIT and possibly no trolling either. We will see as info comes out.

Will it be a good thing or a bad thing??? It will probably not have any impact on the amount of mortality at all. It will put more of a focus on the fishery, driving revenues for the industry, and that would have to be a good thing. We have lost six or sevent locals around the Boston/South Shoire Area in three years. I know that two others are in trouble. The Internet sales do more to damage the locals thqan WalMart willever do, though I am niot afan of Wal Mart either.

[basswipe]

Some more info here.

http://www.fishnsba.com/

[Joe]

What Clammer said...they better have a polygraph ready - they'll have guys who work on the day boats culling their by-catch for large to enter in the tourney.

[Swimmer]

I hope they'll honor my request to be filmed from the left side, I take a much better shot from my left side.

[squiddler]

Originally Posted by Pete_G

It's definitely a fascinating business model, especially if you're in the retail industry. When I say it's genius, I really believe that. Hell, I'd probably do the same thing if I had the leverage. Bring lower prices to my customers while protecting my margins? Sounds great to me. But it is dangerous and you word it very well though when you said "So are we caught in a vicious cycle of searching for the lowest price for goods and services, while cannibalizing our own domestic economy?" That is exactly what I feel it is. The numbers SHOW that it is. And I think it will change the US economy for years to come, and I have to doubt it will be for the better. Innovation within our country and increased minimum wages in upcoming nations will probably be the only thing that slows it down. If it doesn't I almost feel it will be the beginning of the end for the US as a superpower if we're not already on the downslope. All countries and empires before us have risen and fallen. No reason to think we won't do the same....

Yeah Yeah Yeah, history repeats itself blah blah blah. This from the guy who has high prices and no show specials, jeez. Stick to fishin topics, leave the business and history out of it.

[Canalman]

Originally Posted by TheSpecialist

If Walmart is such a great company to it's employees, why did the feds bust them for forcing their employees to work unpaid ot, work through breaks and lunches without paying them for it. For every good Walmart employee story there are hundreds of negative ones. Unfortunately Walmart fills a giant void in this country, cheasp things for people with little to no money.

Not to mention, Wal-Mart and Home Depot have put more HARDER working Mom and Pop stores out of business than probably any other pair of corps in history. You must remember one thing there is NO little guy anymore. It's only the big guys and it's not making for a well balanced economy. I try not to give them business, although I do give them some. As for these companies giving "hard working" people jobs. Ever try to get help or (gasp!) sound advice in one of these places? I know there are some people in there that know their $#!+ but not many. As for the tournament.... I don;t think we have to worry about spot closures but it could get ugly from a mortality standpoint... and if I owned a boat and was going to enter this thing. I'd think twice simply because of the attention... you'd get followed everytime out.... ok I'm done.

-Dave

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by squiddler

Yeah Yeah Yeah, history repeats itself blah blah blah. This from the guy who has high prices and no show specials, jeez. Stick to fishin topics, leave the business and history out of it.

Maybe you're confusing me with someone else. You're welcome to compare prices if you want, and maybe you should if you really feel we have high prices. If you're going to claim high prices back it up. No need for the attitude... You're welcome to take it to PM if you want to discuss it further if it's something personal.

Peter Graeber

[Pete_G]

Originally Posted by Swimmer

I hope they'll honor my request to be filmed from the left side, I take a much better shot from my left side.

I think that the cameras will help cut down on potential cheating. Possibly being outed on national TV will slow down most people.