McCain's speech

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

the united states civilans have been attacked, killing thousands by terrorists who infiltrated the fabric of our society in order to carry out a catastophic act?
Did I not pay attention in history class? Werent all out other enemies wearing uniforms or carrying flags?

Terrorisim has been around for a loooong time.

I seem to remember a dirty sneak attack that infiltrated the fabric of our society back in 1941 that killed nearly as many as 9/11. Granted most wore uniforms but I don't think to the dead that really means anything. Still scarred the heck out of our National psyche.

Heck, we killed over 200,000 civilians in Japan using a weapon that had never been used before. That's quite a catostrophic act that no government had ever had to deal with before.

We were on the brink of nuclear war during the Kennedy Administration. That had to be a little stressful for the Whitehouse considering it threatened to destroy the entire planet in an instant.

I think FDR was facing something like the Great Depression and total German domination of the world. That couldn't have been easy considering he was a Democrat

Hey, 9/11 was a big deal but ultimately it was 19 guys with box cutters who got lucky.

You know, the best way to deal with terrorism? Don't let yourself be terrorized. It drives them nuts.

-spence

[RIJIMMY]

John McCain and Barack Obama are now in a dead heat in the race for the White House, with each candidate garnering 42 percent of the vote, according to the latest CBS News poll.

That’s a significant change from a CBS poll last weekend, which showed the Obama-Biden ticket ahead of McCain-Palin by a margin of 48 percent to 40 percent.

[striperman36]

Let them have a cage match

[buckman]

Originally Posted by Nebe

Its true spence. This nation has never had such a blundering idiot behind the desk... never.

I think Carter was by far the worst President in my life time. Nice guy and everything but made all the wrong moves. I think Bush has made some huge blunders but to blame him for everything like the left does is pathetic. What happened to Nancy Pelousy and her band that got voted in to change the direction of the war and the country, Nothing happened, things just got worse. They spend every media event taking cheap shots at Bush and pointing fingers while they go on vacation and do nothing, nada, zero to help anything.

[RIJIMMY]

Originally Posted by buckman

I think Carter was by far the worst President in my life time. Nice guy and everything but made all the wrong moves. I think Bush has made some huge blunders but to blame him for everything like the left does is pathetic. What happened to Nancy Pelousy and her band that got voted in to change the direction of the war and the country, Nothing happened, things just got worse. They spend every media event taking cheap shots at Bush and pointing fingers while they go on vacation and do nothing, nada, zero to help anything.

hes got a point, nothing in two years. Unless of course you count the success of the surge in Iraq , we know how you feel about that

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Originally Posted by RIJIMMY

hes got a point, nothing in two years. Unless of course you count the success of the surge in Iraq , we know how you feel about that

I think you can give Bush some credit for finally finding his VETO pen in this regard. It's not like they have enough of a majority to push everything through.

But that being said there's been quite a lot of legislation signed into law under this Congress. Your assertion that there's been nothing in two years is simply not true.

And the Surge is working argument appears to be a combination of factors, a big one being that a lot of Iraqis have stopped fighting us for the moment. Let's hope it holds, but I noticed a new report saying that troops aren't going home anytime soon.

-spence

[Nebe]

I agree with you Buckman..on all points. One thing about Carter though... I beleive he was Honest about everything he did and did not try to fool anyone by saying one thing and doing another(Saying Saddam was planning some horrible act agianst the US for example. Or saying he was not a nation builder and topple 2 governments.). Am I wrong about that?? I was a kid when he was in office.

[Nebe]

A friend of mine posted this on another site.. I thought I would post it..

I don't understand how people cannot see the Republicans for the transparent liars that they are. McCain states that he is a maverick and will cross the aisle to get things done, but when it came down to the selection of his VP he caved to the pressure exerted on him by the evangelical right (in my opinion the most dangerous force in American politics). They, in fact, now hold his leash and that needs to be remembered when comparing the two candidates. Obama will make decisions based on what he thinks is the best for the country, agree or disagree with him. McCain will be forced to consider what the evangelical right wants in every decision he makes or face the party consequences. Make no mistake... evangelicals want nothing less than a theocracy and they think Palin is their ticket. They are already talking about 2012. McCain is very likely to be a one-term president if he wins.

Hillary vs Palin in 2012.

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Originally Posted by Nebe

I agree with you Buckman..on all points. One thing about Carter though... I beleive he was Honest about everything he did and did not try to fool anyone by saying one thing and doing another(Saying Saddam was planning some horrible act agianst the US for example. Or saying he was not a nation builder and topple 2 governments.). Am I wrong about that?? I was a kid when he was in office.

A very good point, Carter wasn't an effective leader but Bush has shown to be neither effective nor honest.

This Administration has done so much to sieze power from the American people and then pull a curtian around their activities. I'm a believer that a government for the people must fairly transparent to even have a chance at being effective.

-spence

[buckman]

Call me a fool, but I believe McCain and Palin will in fact try to do everything they can to change the way things are done. The way you and I want them done. However with the Dems in charge( and they will be out for blood if Obama looses) I think they will have a tough time accomplishing anything. I do feel they will be outspoken critics of busness as usual. If Obama gets in with party in charge and he is able to appoint any justice they want, unchallanged, we will be screwed. And that damage could last a generation or more and do more harm to this country then you can imagine. And that alone will prevent me from ever putting one party in charge of everything.

[Nebe]

Your no fool Buckman. This country is so divided right now, no matter who wins, there is going to be a lot of pissed off people.

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Originally Posted by buckman

If Obama gets in with party in charge and he is able to appoint any justice they want, unchallanged, we will be screwed. And that damage could last a generation or more and do more harm to this country then you can imagine. And that alone will prevent me from ever putting one party in charge of everything.

Bush did everything he could to stack the courts to the Right, so I'd have no issue with some moderation on the bench. The courts above all should be as neutral as possible, and yes I understand that how I worded that is a loaded statement.

And I agree on your second point, even arguing to some friends that a vote for McCain might be prudent simply to keep balance with the most likely very Democratic US Congress. This assumes of course that we actually get the "old" McCain who's apt to bridge party lines in favor of pragmatism, vs the "new" McCain who would owe a might debt to the far Right for getting him elected.

-spence

[buckman]

Do you guys kbnow how many Justices will be apointed by the next President. I think it's 3 but I may be wrong. If it is three and Obama picks them then we are heading down a path of socialism. I trust McCain to pick more moderate justices and the Dems will not pass anyone who is too radical right.

Nebe. We're agreeing on way to much lately, knock it off

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Originally Posted by buckman

Do you guys kbnow how many Justices will be apointed by the next President. I think it's 3 but I may be wrong. If it is three and Obama picks them then we are heading down a path of socialism. I trust McCain to pick more moderate justices and the Dems will not pass anyone who is too radical right.

No, and that is probably a good thing. I liked Roberts as he looked like the real deal, but Alito was a bit of a sham.

Remember there are three branches of government for a reason, and it would take many, many consistent Adminstrations to really lead us very far down that path. Even Obama with a Dem Congress wouldn't lead to socialism. It may lead to some liberal legislation but this is a pretty tough country and some of it may actually be a good thing.

Nebe. We're agreeing on way to much lately, knock it off

It's like you have your hand on his thigh.

-spence

[Nebe]

Originally Posted by buckman

Do you guys kbnow how many Justices will be apointed by the next President. I think it's 3 but I may be wrong. If it is three and Obama picks them then we are heading down a path of socialism. I trust McCain to pick more moderate justices and the Dems will not pass anyone who is too radical right.

Nebe. We're agreeing on way to much lately, knock it off

well.. socialism is one thing, but it has seemed to me that after 9/11 this country has gone down the path to fascism.

In regards to agreeing with you, I tend to sound extremely liberal on here, but in reality I am not...i am just a person who pays very close attention to what is going on.... Also, I have a great distaste for Bush incase you havent noticed..

[stripersnipr]

Originally Posted by striperman36

Let them have a cage match

That was the plan but they've had no luck finding a cage that can hold Sarah.

[buckman]

Originally Posted by stripersnipr

That was the plan but they've had no luck finding a cage that can hold Sarah.