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Old 08-07-2017, 11:00 AM   #1
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Trump launches his own 'propaganda' network

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politic...ietly-10943897

this is no blog driven site its directly attached to the POTUS

The two clips are largely dominated by positive economic news, including the claim that the president has created over one million jobs since taking office.

funny Obama created 11.3 million jobs and you talk to some Trumpanzees they wont give him credit But now with out any legislation to speak of Trump is getting credit for 1 million new Jobs and the stock market yet under during Obama’s time in office, the stock market “nearly tripled.” but the Trumpanzees will insist that didn't happen yet give Trump all the Credit for the market over 20k


Where have we seen this done before .. Russia, china, N Korea, Iran, Venezuela, Syria



we'll see were this goes... I am sure the faithful have no issues with state run News
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Yes, terrible that there would be an official "News Section" from the campaign but for the most part wee still have a Free Press, not something in those other countries you mention. In fact NOTHING like those other countries.

But the current news outlets were just as Pro-Obama as they are Anti-Trump. For one, I would greatly prefer an even baseline of love / hate so we can have a low bias news but that aintgonnahappen.

As for Obama white house and influencing news I have one name: Ben Rhodes

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As Malley and representatives of the State Department, including Wendy Sherman and Secretary of State John Kerry, engaged in formal negotiations with the Iranians, to ratify details of a framework that had already been agreed upon, Rhodes’s war room did its work on Capitol Hill and with reporters. In the spring of last year, legions of arms-control experts began popping up at think tanks and on social media, and then became key sources for hundreds of often-clueless reporters. “We created an echo chamber,” he admitted, when I asked him to explain the onslaught of freshly minted experts cheerleading for the deal. “They were saying things that validated what we had given them to say.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/m...guru.html?_r=0

RE: Jobs

Obama created 11 million jobs over 8 years just after the economy lost 8.5 million jobs from 2008-2011, so if you add jobs lost during last year of Bush you are up around 2.5 million net jobs after the recovery.

So over 8 years Obama created 2.5 mil net jobs (at lower wages on average than prior to recession). Trump may do that in 4 but we may have another recession too.

So at best your talking point is that - a talking point, at worst it misrepresents numbers to push a narrative - what we all should be generally against.

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Did you expect them to talk about their failures and not boast about successes?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/06/medi...ign/index.html

same story above but even CNN is not calling it propaganda

but your "trumpanzees" label is funny, I have not heard that before, probably because I don't read Occupy Democrats propaganda


I agree with John, would like to see a balanced/fair even reporting media

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Did you expect them to talk about their failures and not boast about successes?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/06/medi...ign/index.html

same story above but even CNN is not calling it propaganda

but your "trumpanzees" label is funny, I have not heard that before, probably because I don't read Occupy Democrats propaganda


I agree with John, would like to see a balanced/fair even reporting media
if you took the time to read balanced/fair reporting media the term wouldn't be such a surprise . and you wouldn't need to blame Occupy Democrats propaganda.. which I am sure your fair and balanced sources blame for everything ..

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=trumpanzee

you vote in a reality TV personality you get reality TV behavior which gets you reality TV reporting ... blame the ring master its his circus
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Yes, terrible that there would be an official "News Section" from the campaign but for the most part wee still have a Free Press, not something in those other countries you mention. In fact NOTHING like those other countries.

But the current news outlets were just as Pro-Obama as they are Anti-Trump. For one, I would greatly prefer an even baseline of love / hate so we can have a low bias news but that aintgonnahappen.

As for Obama white house and influencing news I have one name: Ben Rhodes

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/08/m...guru.html?_r=0

RE: Jobs

Obama created 11 million jobs over 8 years just after the economy lost 8.5 million jobs from 2008-2011, so if you add jobs lost during last year of Bush you are up around 2.5 million net jobs after the recovery.

So over 8 years Obama created 2.5 mil net jobs (at lower wages on average than prior to recession). Trump may do that in 4 but we may have another recession too.

So at best your talking point is that - a talking point, at worst it misrepresents numbers to push a narrative - what we all should be generally against.

fact Obama was given no credit for stock market or Jobs growth..

But Magically trump gets credit from his base for Both .in 1st 6 months ... thats hypocrisy not a talking point
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if you took the time to read balanced/fair reporting media the term wouldn't be such a surprise . and you wouldn't need to blame Occupy Democrats propaganda.. which I am sure your fair and balanced sources blame for everything ..

Propaganda comes from all directions. Without an anchor in some historically tested principle of government, the words which flow from politicians are likely to be propaganda.

http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=trumpanzee

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Obamabot

you vote in a reality TV personality you get reality TV behavior which gets you reality TV reporting ... blame the ring master its his circus
in his dump white house
You vote in a community organizer who uses Saul Alinsky tactics you get a radical government devoted to bringing down capitalistic free market system and transforming it into some current form of socialism.

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fact Obama was given no credit for stock market or Jobs growth..

But Magically trump gets credit from his base for Both .in 1st 6 months ... thats hypocrisy not a talking point
Obama was constantly given credit for stock market and job growth in the mainstream media. Other than Fox (I guess, I don't watch much TV news) Trump gets little credit which is squeezed into a constant barrage of investigations of Trump for collusion and personality foibles.

I am suspicious of stock market growth. I personally don't measure it as a success for a President's policies. Especially when, in my opinion, it occurs in times of slow job growth and weak business conditions. My opinion of Stock market booms under Obama was that it was fueled by the huge stimulus packages created by government pumped money into the banking and investment communities which was not based on actual strong business or job growth. It appeared that the major job growth under Obama was either in government, or in business that was heavily regulated and subsidized by government, and was weak in growth outside of major government influence where what growth occurred was not well paid.

Trump seems to be attempting to grow the industrial
base which traditionally provided well paying jobs for average folks, and depended on entrepreneurship rather government cronyism. Remains to be seen if his policies succeed in that direction. And if his own party backs his efforts.
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You vote in a community organizer who uses Saul Alinsky tactics you get a radical government devoted to bringing down capitalistic free market system and transforming it into some current form of socialism.
you get Elon Musk and Tesla....4.9 Billion in government subsidies not to mention the tax payer funded federal($7500) and state($2500) rebates for buying their product and.....

Obama-backed green automaker Tesla Motors turns a profit | TheHill
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Apr 1, 2016 - Tesla Motors' latest announcement is causing a stir, but the Obama administration has a reminder: this is also a governmental success story.

Jul 5, 2017 - Tesla's Fremont factory was described by a female employee as a "predator zone" of harassment in a meeting attended by dozens

May 18, 2017 - Tesla workers at the company's Fremont factory have detailed difficult work conditions where people pass out and face stress-induced injuries.

6 days ago - Elon Musk warns of 'manufacturing hell' to come—Tesla workers say factory safety is already worse than sawmills and
slaughterhouses.

May 18, 2017 - Workers at Tesla's California car factory have been passing out and requiring rides in ambulances



life in the federally funded, environmentally conscious workers paradise, unionization will probably fix all of that

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Trump seems to be attempting to grow the industrial
base which traditionally provided well paying jobs for average folks, and depended on entrepreneurship rather government cronyism.
I was listening to that bastion of right wing propaganda probably directed from the Whitehouse other day...NPR....and they were talking about the recent job numbers...seems worker participation rate is ticking up finally, 1.1 million fewer on food stamps and the bulk of job creation is employing lower wage and education portion of society which would seem like a good thing but I guess that takes them out of the government dependency womb which I'm sure disappoints some...

the thing to watch is the revisions....with Obama and Clinton they would tout and celebrate good jobs numbers which were regularly revised downward a month or two later.....


"Trumpanzees" is great and probably racist...but Trumpanzees vs. the Obamorons would be a fantastic Creature Double Feature

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if you took the time to read balanced/fair reporting media the term wouldn't be such a surprise .
What major news bureau would you determine as fair and balanced in reporting?

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fact Obama was given no credit for stock market or Jobs growth..

But Magically trump gets credit from his base for Both .in 1st 6 months ... thats hypocrisy not a talking point
All I hear is how great O was for restoring the Stock Market, particularly from Socialists and anti-corporate types.

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many of these so called Obama created jobs are a direct result of ObamaCare and changing the requirement for providing healthcare to 30 hours a week. Many part time 38hrs a week jobs instantly became 28 -29 hrs/week jobs. For every 38 hr per week job he created a "NEW" 28 hr per week part time job. My wife and my daughter were both victims of this when their part time jobs were dropped to less than 30 hours per week and their workplaces hired a few more part time employees to fill the gaps. This type of job creation hurts America more than helps it.
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you dont live in reality do you??
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What major news bureau would you determine as fair and balanced in reporting?

I suggest more than Just one Major news bureau this conspiracy theory about the main stream media and the deep state are working together to get rid of Trump is not funny anymore


All I hear is how great O was for restoring the Stock Market, particularly from Socialists and anti-corporate types.

Thats not the topic not sure why we cant just accept that trump supporters here and else where have a double standard what they made hay over for the last POTUS now they have no interest in hay making over the same behavior ..
case in point
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fact Obama was given no credit for stock market or Jobs growth..

But Magically trump gets credit from his base for Both .in 1st 6 months ... thats hypocrisy not a talking point
Well Obama did add 10 trillion or so debt while performing economic miracles . Make sure you give him credit for that
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we were told during the Obama years by the left and MSM that executive orders were good and necessary...soooo...giddayup!! Trump wouldn't have to issue so many executive orders if Obama didn't issue so many stupid executive orders..it's Obama's fault
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For starters, you quoted someone else's post in with mine

Secondly - what does your image have to do with our discussion?

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you dont live in reality do you??
I feel stupid in actually answering a stupid question. But, what the hell, I'll venture into the unreal world of pointless questions which seem to be concocted out of the thin airiness of what has the slimmest appearance of thought--yes. I do live in reality. I also have foresight and imagination. I am creative, as well, in various ways. I'm an all-around good guy, but am capable of doing some nasty, vindictive or selfish things. You might say that I'm a well-rounded human being who has experienced the vast array and spectrum of natural and unnatural vicissitudes which await us in our brief interlude of existence.

As for that portion which lies in the realm of what we refer to as reality, when it has not been tinged with some imagination, creative or reflexive, for the most part, it has for me been functional, mundane, slightly or greatly boring, sometimes pleasant and sometimes frightening, harsh, or painful.

Which, I suppose, is why I despise socialism. It is the essence of boredom. It is the casting of the human soul into the dungeon of a quotidian, standard, average, common, slavishly regulated life. It claims to be the ultimate system of life in reality. But I find it to be the nightmarish dream of opinionated idiots.

Reality isn't everything. But it serves its purpose. And yes, I do "live in" its realms from time to time. Not as much as in the middle of my life when I was more active in getting and spending, more intensely desiring and procuring "real" things.

I am thankful for having been given the chance in my childhood to dream, to imagine, to create fictitious empires in my head, to play. And in my latter years I often return to childish imaginations and play. My life has had its glut of reality.

In that "real" space of living, I have had the opportunity to meet some people whom I have admired for their ability to get to the nut of what is "real." One that I remember most was an intellectually limited (retarded seems too cruel a word to define him) young man who weekly came to the reference section of the library asking to use a certain biographical dictionary, a pencil, and some note cards. He would, in the scholarly demeanor of a medieval student, sit at a desk, and open to the last page that he had previously read (he did his research in alphabetical order), and he would copy the next name onto the top of the card, and beneath that he would note "born" and "died." After each word, he would insert the date.

He was compiling the basic reality of the lives of famous people--the fact that they were born and that they died and when. Everything in between was not essential. Just stuff which people of greater imaginative ability considered "real," but for someone who was attuned to only physical presence, not ideology or even fantasy, the great endeavors and accomplishments described as such were just words not attached to a real thing. The only "reality" was the people's existence and disappearance.

What's your point? Do you imagine you have one? "Really"?
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I feel stupid in actually answering a stupid question. But, what the hell, I'll venture into the unreal world of pointless questions which seem to be concocted out of the thin airiness of what has the slimmest appearance of thought--yes. I do live in reality. I also have foresight and imagination. I am creative, as well, in various ways. I'm an all-around good guy, but am capable of doing some nasty, vindictive or selfish things. You might say that I'm a well-rounded human being who has experienced the vast array and spectrum of natural and unnatural vicissitudes which await us in our brief interlude of existence.

As for that portion which lies in the realm of what we refer to as reality, when it has not been tinged with some imagination, creative or reflexive, for the most part, it has for me been functional, mundane, slightly or greatly boring, sometimes pleasant and sometimes frightening, harsh, or painful.

Which, I suppose, is why I despise socialism. It is the essence of boredom. It is the casting of the human soul into the dungeon of a quotidian, standard, average, common, slavishly regulated life. It claims to be the ultimate system of life in reality. But I find it to be the nightmarish dream of opinionated idiots.

Reality isn't everything. But it serves its purpose. And yes, I do "live in" its realms from time to time. Not as much as in the middle of my life when I was more active in getting and spending, more intensely desiring and procuring "real" things.

I am thankful for having been given the chance in my childhood to dream, to imagine, to create fictitious empires in my head, to play. And in my latter years I often return to childish imaginations and play. My life has had its glut of reality.

In that "real" space of living, I have had the opportunity to meet some people whom I have admired for their ability to get to the nut of what is "real." One that I remember most was an intellectually limited (retarded seems too cruel a word to define him) young man who weekly came to the reference section of the library asking to use a certain biographical dictionary, a pencil, and some note cards. He would, in the scholarly demeanor of a medieval student, sit at a desk, and open to the last page that he had previously read (he did his research in alphabetical order), and he would copy the next name onto the top of the card, and beneath that he would note "born" and "died." After each word, he would insert the date.

He was compiling the basic reality of the lives of famous people--the fact that they were born and that they died and when. Everything in between was not essential. Just stuff which people of greater imaginative ability considered "real," but for someone who was attuned to only physical presence, not ideology or even fantasy, the great endeavors and accomplishments described as such were just words not attached to a real thing. The only "reality" was the people's existence and disappearance.

What's your point? Do you imagine you have one? "Really"?
Stupid question perhaps however you basically speak about socialism as if we live in a socialist country or in the last 50 years the US has been run but nobody else but progressives . your reality which I question seem to be absence of the existence of the right(republicans ) in our government you speak as if the never held a seat in the white house or ever controlled congress or a governorship or sat in a state house .. Joseph McCarthy comes to mind when I read your arguments .. maybe you think you have cornered the market on world view or just frankly think your smarter than the next guy your more likely smarter than me I really dont know that answer.. I just know the USA you see and the one I see well there is no intersection in the Two .. could be age upbringing social status to many factors to list ,, but like you i'll keep providing a different lens to look on things . and you keep doing the same and maybe we'll both end up getting a little of what we want for America
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Secondly - what does your image have to do with our discussion?
starters no I didn't thats my response to you : Thats not the topic not sure why we cant just accept that trump supporters here and else where have a double standard what they made hay over for the last POTUS now they have no interest in hay making over the same behavior ..

Secondly: really ? no one on the right complained about Obama use of executive orders ever

.... its that pesty hypocrisy showing up again
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starters no I didn't thats my response to you : Thats not the topic not sure why we cant just accept that trump supporters here and else where have a double standard what they made hay over for the last POTUS now they have no interest in hay making over the same behavior ..

Secondly: really ? no one on the right complained about Obama use of executive orders ever

.... its that pesty hypocrisy showing up again
if Trump uses an executive order to undo an Obama executive order...I have no problem with that...you can call it hypocrisy, I call it abiding by the standard(s) that Obama and democrats have set in governing.........they might be low standards but it's the ONLY way these things get undone...if Obama is going to expand executive powers to DO things, those same expanded powers need to be used to UNDO things...this is not complicated...the left seems to think that once they accomplish an objective, no matter how unseemly the method to accomplish, the result should be set in stone and stand for all time and suddenly their methods for accomplishing those objectives are out of bounds(talk about hypocrisy?).....if the Republican Congress were to lie, connive and distort the process to undo Obamacare...I'm good with that because that's exactly how it was passed....it's not not a "double standard" as far as I'm concerned...it's "same standard"....I don't want to hold Trump and the Republicans to higher standards than the democrats...I'm content to hold them to the same standards that the left holds the democrats to for the time being...holding repubs and Trump to higher standards only forces them to play by a different set of rules than their competitors resulting in failure.....clearly, being nice to the democrats and MSM is not a formula for success if you are a republican...which is why we now have this Trump guy somehow finding his way to the Whitehouse
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I must be getting old ... I don't recall that . Can you jog my memory ? If I did I was incorrect sir.
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starters no I didn't thats my response to you : Thats not the topic not sure why we cant just accept that trump supporters here and else where have a double standard what they made hay over for the last POTUS now they have no interest in hay making over the same behavior ..

Secondly: really ? no one on the right complained about Obama use of executive orders ever

.... its that pesty hypocrisy showing up again
Ohh - didn't get the separation, then in reply I will add that there probably are not enough executive orders ; )

And he is golfing more than Obama - something nobody thought possible and spending more time out of WH (current out being due to renovations scheduled by Obama admin).

Trump is a complete and total hypocrite. I did not vote for him. I don't know at this stage if he will be worse than Obama and I still don't know if he is worse than Hillary would have been.

If you want to go over hypocrisy between left and right, game on.

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Stupid question perhaps however you basically speak about socialism as if we live in a socialist country

I speak about a country which was founded on individual freedom and which limited the central government to powers that protected that freedom, but which has been transitioning toward a collectivist society ruled by unlimited government. Socialism is one of the names for that latter type of government.

or in the last 50 years the US has been run but nobody else but progressives .

The ultimate runners of a country founded on individual freedom is the people, not the government. The runner of the country that is socialist/communist/etc. is the government. That we have accepted the idea, and express it as such, that the government runs the country shows how much we have departed from the notion that we are free.

Progressives, by capturing our source of education, were and are the ideological driving force that molded our perception of who runs the country. Progressives, in government, come with the letter D or R before their name. There used to be D's who fought the Progressive idea. That is no longer the case. There are still some R's who oppose it. But the R's are a mixed bag in that respect. The political elimination of the anti-Progressive R's as the preponderance of the People who accept government as the answer for all problems and savior of all in need, is "progressing."


your reality which I question seem to be absence of the existence of the right(republicans ) in our government you speak as if the never held a seat in the white house or ever controlled congress or a governorship or sat in a state house

You, obviously, don't have a clear picture of my "reality."

.. Joseph McCarthy comes to mind when I read your arguments ..

That's a VERY interesting comment. If you respond to any of my comments, I hope this, above any other, is the one you do. Please elaborate how McCarthy comes to mind.

maybe you think you have cornered the market on world view or just frankly think your smarter than the next guy your more likely smarter than me I really dont know that answer..

How do you get any of that? How is stating my views more of an expression of me being smarter that anybody different from you stating your views? Are you smarter than everybody, or have you cornered the market on world view, because you have an opinion and state it?

I just know the USA you see and the one I see well there is no intersection in the Two .. could be age upbringing social status to many factors to list ,, but like you i'll keep providing a different lens to look on things . and you keep doing the same and maybe we'll both end up getting a little of what we want for America
Getting a little of what we want depends on how much freedom we have to get it. That is, if we want to get it by dint of our own work. If we depend on government to provide what we want, we better hope that what we want is on the list of what the government offers. And that the government doesn't keep changing the list when it decides it can't afford it, or decides that it is not good for us, or that it is not fair, or if it just doesn't like us.

You have expressed satisfaction with getting what you want, so everything is fine with you. Others have complained about not being allowed to get what they want because government blocks them.

I suppose, if you think the USA is just fine and not heading in any unjust or oppressive manner, then you think all we have to do is keep seeing through our different lenses to "look on things." I don't see how that works if, as you say, there is no intersection. If there is no principle of government on which we agree, then what we want for America will exclude one or the other of us from getting what we want.
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We're dealing with someone who has no strategy, no thought process.

Never before has the Pres. of NK said ".....be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”

The man is unstable.
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Good thing Pres. Trump's "first priority in office was to modernize our nuclear arsenal"
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We're dealing with someone who has no strategy, no thought process.

Never before has the Pres. of NK said ".....be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”

The man is unstable.
Haha - the "pres" of North Korea says far worse stupid sheeit on a daily basis ; )

I don't know if stable or not, but I don't think very detail oriented and frankly, he's working on the wrong crap.

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Actually the nuclear arsenal does need a significant modernization. There is also an opportunity to reduce some of the platforms in conjunction with additional arms reduction talks - though I don't think the current admin (nor the Russians) would be willing / capable to do this.

Trump has initiated a "Nuclear Posture Review" which is something that each admin has done upon reaching the office. They are not done overnight, are expensive, and generally scary and expensive to resolve issues.

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Actually the nuclear arsenal does need a significant modernization. There is also an opportunity to reduce some of the platforms in conjunction with additional arms reduction talks - though I don't think the current admin (nor the Russians) would be willing / capable to do this.
I agree it does need modernization but he wasn't the one to start it even though he said he was.

No good answers here but bluster isn't going to help.
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Never before has the Pres. of NK said ".....be met with fire and fury like the world has never seen”
When trying to get a crazy guy to understand you, sometimes you have to let him think you are a bit crazier than he is.
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