thats what ya need sitting in your garage
when ya have a friggan kidney stone...

talk about PAIN....
i aged a whole year in a single weekend.

i was x-rayed ,cat scanned ,examined and prescribed.

luckilly no cats ..not even kittens were found inside me.:bl:

i have been hit by a car...thrown 200 feet from my car,
stung by a hundred hornets,tumbled down a mountain
with a hot tail pipe of a motorcycle burning me all the way,
smashed by a landslide of rocks....bitten by fire ants
you name it...

and nothing compares to this pain.... nothing..
those of you who have had one ...know exactly what
i'm talking about... because it's off the scale....

it's a man's version of having a baby.... oh- my- god!...

i was almost tearing up the leather on the hospital bed
until they finally got the friggan I.V. in me and injected narcotics...
what an experience that is.... :hs:

i am so wiped out..... it 's rediculous .....:sleeps:

My 10 year old daughter is dealing with one. She spent 3 days in the hospital to get a tube placed in her kidney to drain it out(stone is blocking the tube between her kidney and her bladder). She had a sonic shock treatment Friday to try and break it up, and we're waithing for it to pass. She doesn't seem to be in much pain(yet) but I know what's coming. I really feel for you. I wouldn't wish these things on anybody.

My wife just went thru it and still is having problems, It happened the Friday I left for Cuttyhunk the 8th of Sept. and there was no way for me to get home and help. she told me to stay and fish what a trooper

I feel your pain.. try it in conjunction with a bout of Acute Diviticulitis... double whammy..almost a week in hell this past winter...
Tony S came and saw me every day.. he told me later he thought I was gonna die..just from the way I looked.. no fun...put as my Mom would say.. this too, shall pass...

I feel yer pain.
I passed what they called "gravel" quite a few years back. I will never forget that all nighter as long as I live. Would not wish it on anyone.Thank god for the demerol back then to help with the renal colic or acute spasms or whatever they called them, but they wouldnt give me the stuff til all the xrays came back, which seemed like forever.

Feel better Raven. You survived one of the most severe pains known to humans. It builds charachter.:musc:

i'm back in pain again....dammit...will get more percasets by 8 am... just took some oxycodiene's ...holding an ice pack to my belly....

kidney stones are a precipitate of calcium...so to prevent the stones from happening you need to alter your bodies ph back to slightly acidic... (as they form when your ph is too alkaline)with apple cider vinegar, honey and water or mixed with welches grape juice.
1 tablespoon of each.... mixed together then mix it with water or the grape juice....which will help disolve the stone...as it returns the calcium (stone) back into solution. i'm drinking it now.

I'm not a doctor, but I do work in the pharma industry. There are drugs waaaay more powerful than oxycodone/tylenol (percoset) - maybe your doctor could help you out a little?

Good luck.

Raven,

I get kidney stones every year, I get a script of "Tramadol" from my doc, pain is gone in an hour and no side effets.

Hell you can even go back fishing and wait for the stone to pass.

I wasn't that lucky this year though, the doc had to go get the stone ... and guess where they go in to get it? OOOWWWWWW!!!!!

again for four hours this mornin til the hydrocodone finally kicked in....

talk about climbing the walls literally... but all of these nasty narcotics make me have nausea so i am also takin promethazine to control the urge to be ill from the meds... but at least i'm able to get some relief now. otherwise it's pure hell....

every year! wow... thats not good... my stone is small...3 centimeters i think the cat-scan revealed according to the hospital doc...

i could go fishin today but i'm too incapacitated (woosey) to drive...

i'll talk to my primary physcian about that prescription and thanks for the tip. these drugs suck but at least they're workin...phew!

thanks for the support everyone.... very much appreciated.

here's wishing ya well shaman!

i have been hit by a car...thrown 200 feet from my car,
stung by a hundred hornets,tumbled down a mountain
with a hot tail pipe of a motorcycle burning me all the way,
smashed by a landslide of rocks....bitten by fire ants
you name it...




-Note to self. Never stand next to Raven. ;)

Hopefully you never need back surgery. Stones suck and are painful but nothing compares to disk issues in your back. Pass that stone and get back to living!

Hope ya feel betta soon Rav, you've had a tough year. :(

Your luck is about to change. :)

Raven;
hang in. It will get better. I speak from experience. Shot 3 different times in Nam in 66/67. Broken back in 77.
Open heart Quad bypass in 2003 and now this Bladder cancer with Chemo to boot.

"If it doesn't kill you, it will make you stronger"

see....i would never have known about
a different prescription like tramadol
if not for S-B members....

i hope to be fishin by the weekend....
->thats my goal...

wow Paul....3 times shot....
you ought to know....

i like getting stronger.... :drool:

Now with all the narcs you will not be able to take a healthy dump for a week, grab some stool softeners. I feel for ya been there done that :wid: :happy:

Raven, been there my friend. Work through the pain. Drink lots of water - if you can walk around try to rather than stay cooped up in the house.

Save the stone when it passes so the doc can figure out what it is. More likely than not it will be calcium oxalate. Adjustments to your diet can prevent future recurrences (unfortunately if you get one youre likely to get more down the road).

this is actually my second stone.....experience....
the first one was in the springtime....
and you spend the whole night taking a hot showers...
and i had no clue what the intense pain was from...:huh:
thinking it was perhaps just plumbing problems...

and yeah thats what the narcotics you take do to ya...
they lock up the back door... bigtime
so for breakfast i had just some mirabela papaya....
i have to eat all easy to digest stuff..
that won't produce any gas...

sent the wife to the pharmacy last night
for a better back door key (docusate sodium)

and that makes a world of difference....

i almost went back to the hospital again last night because i was
back into the intense agony again ....pacing ,groaning, moaning
and there is absolutely no escape......

you "feel like your gonna die"...and you almost want to
....to end the torment and misery.....
it's that bad....
everyone saying: "for a man it's like having a baby"...:uhuh:
and the meds just- wouldn't- kick -in

today i feel pretty good....but i'm real weak from the trauma
...so i'll get some much needed
fresh air ,sunshine and do some mowing out back which
is starting to get ahead of me...

this has been a life changing experience for me
to say the least......
and my diet will be forever changed....
my belly is now half the size it was...
so i figure i've been ill for almost 5 months.:sick:

Raven,

I can't forget the first time. I doubled over suddenly in pain and thought somebody had stabbed me in the back.

The pain was so bad that I ended up throwing up on the car ride to the ER.

I came in grasping my side. Nurse said, so you look like you have a kidney stone. :rotfl:

i'll be seeing my primary Doc in the morning

and she had better know her meds...or she's fired.

but now, i am fully at war with my body....and i am ripshiit.

this is my own 9-11 plane crash into my kidney's and i'll be
a kidney stone expert before i'm finished.
or at least how to radically change all my dietary habbits so
that i'll never have to experience this again...

i have never before been so devastated by an experience as this
and i am at war...with alkalinity and digestion, the whole nine yards.

Oh man Rav, feel betta soon. :)

Raven, ask you doc for a script of Tramadol 25 mg.

These little pills are the best thing since sliced bread, they don't make you grogy or feel stupid at all, and to add to the benefits it won't bind you up at all.

Take with or without food every 4-6 hours or as needed.

My last episode with stones was one at 5 centimeters and two about 3 centimeters big at the same time, I passed the two smaller ones in 3 days but they had to go in and get the 5 centimeter stone, wasn't pretty at all. Pretty embarassing when the nurse comes in to remove the shunt, grabs hold of your little friend and says this won't hurt, lean back and take a deep breath ... OW!

Everyone used to tell me to drink cranberry juice to help pass them but my doc who is one of the best from Boston said " DO NOT " drink cranberry juice, it is one of the leading causes of stones and can and will make a stone grow bigger if you have one, and if you don't have one then they tend to promote the growth of one.

Soda is also on the list but is okay in moderation, but any kind of berry juice will promote them.

I have Robert Lang as my urologist and he practiced in Boston for 10 years before moving down my way for the last 15, he's also one of my customers so I keep his cell number on speed dial for when my ususal events arise and I'm in need.

Did they tell you where the stone was caught? The kidney is harder to pass a stone from because it has to go up before it can come down and the tube hurts just as much but a 3 centimeter stone should pass within a couple of days unless its one of those "stag-horned" stones, they look like deer antlers growing out of a rock.

Good luck and drink plenty of fluids.

I brought my kids friend to the hospital with that about a year ago. I thought he was going to die in my car.

cranberry juice is bad for kidney stones - its good for urinary track infections. Up your water intake, which they say is the most important thing.

Raven:

Thats sucks BIG TIME.

I had the same in the spring. I was driving home from work and it hit like a freight train. I nearly did'nt make it to the driveway. Went to the ER and they took me right in, I guess my screaming in the waiting room was upsetting the other people !!!!! I didn't have a clue what it was. I thought I was going to friggin die it hurt so bad. Then it sucked when i realized I wasn't going to die and had to live with the pain. The IV pain meds were great, then home with Percocets helped, but my whole life came to a halt until it was over.

Lasted for about 2 weeks, I even had to have a "procedure" to remove it, but I think it had passed by then. He did it anyway to make sure there weren't more in there. OUCH !!!!!

Once it passed within a day I felt great. I was completely back to normal.
It was like a light switch going on and off.

Get well soon buddy.....

Doc (Urologist) told me there was no reason for it happening and no way to prevent it from happening again.
No dietary changes no nuthin. I don't know. I don't care as long as I NEVER get one again.

Doc (Urologist) told me there was no reason for it happening and no way to prevent it from happening again.
No dietary changes no nuthin. I don't know. I don't care as long as I NEVER get one again.

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when i spoke to the attending doc at the hospital about PH and how
calcium goes into a precipitate in an akaline medium she really had no concept of the whole idea which i found to be startling. and then i said in an sightly acid medium the one thats best for the body a precipitate (read calcium stone) will go back into a solution....she was equally clueless.

i am now temporarilly a fruitarian and feeling much better fast....
even though i have a long road ahead of me.... for sure.

i have been drinking carrot juice instead and distilled 100% aloe vera liquid

Raven, ask you doc for a script of Tramadol 25 mg.

These little pills are the best thing since sliced bread, they don't make you grogy or feel stupid at all, and to add to the benefits it won't bind you up at all.

Take with or without food every 4-6 hours or as needed.

My last episode with stones was one at 5 centimeters and two about 3 centimeters big at the same time, I passed the two smaller ones in 3 days but they had to go in and get the 5 centimeter stone, wasn't pretty at all. Pretty embarassing when the nurse comes in to remove the shunt, grabs hold of your little friend and says this won't hurt, lean back and take a deep breath ... OW!

Everyone used to tell me to drink cranberry juice to help pass them but my doc who is one of the best from Boston said " DO NOT " drink cranberry juice, it is one of the leading causes of stones and can and will make a stone grow bigger if you have one, and if you don't have one then they tend to promote the growth of one.

Soda is also on the list but is okay in moderation, but any kind of berry juice will promote them.

I have Robert Lang as my urologist and he practiced in Boston for 10 years before moving down my way for the last 15, he's also one of my customers so I keep his cell number on speed dial for when my ususal events arise and I'm in need.

Did they tell you where the stone was caught? The kidney is harder to pass a stone from because it has to go up before it can come down and the tube hurts just as much but a 3 centimeter stone should pass within a couple of days unless its one of those "stag-horned" stones, they look like deer antlers growing out of a rock.

Good luck and drink plenty of fluids.

this one had like moose antlers and then there was a little grey one with a bushy tail,,, they said :grins:

no really...a great suggestion on the tramadol so i got the prescription today...cuz i told her: :chatter hey i had to drive here on a
perc and that aint cool at all... and she says...i didnt just hear that.. plus i need to be running the chainsaw...besides..

stones caught in the kidney just below a little hump of fibers in front of the door out.... so i reckon :huh: i should just stand on my head.

i forgot to mention i had one in spring too....but didnt know what it could be and just toughed it out...only took one day... i lived.

2nd time: i then new i had a serious condition developing and took it
much more seriously...

i tend to be very pro-active with my health solutions
and sometimes thats thought to be an act of non -cooperation
by Doctors as aposed to someone wanting to take an active role
in their own road back to health.

cranberry juice is bad for kidney stones - its good for urinary track infections. Up your water intake, which they say is the most important thing.


the Raven is on the hunt...the game is afoot Watson

Orange juice, researchers found, boosted the levels of citrate in the urine and reduced the crystallization of uric acid and calcium oxalate — the most frequently found ingredient in kidney stones.

But lemonade did not increase the levels of citrate, an important acid neutralizer and inhibitor of kidney stone formation.

"One reason might be the different constituents of various beverages," Dr. Odvina said.

For instance, the citrate in orange and grapefruit juice is accompanied by a potassium ion while the citrate in lemonade and cranberry juice is accompanied by a hydrogen ion. Ions of hydrogen, but not potassium, counteract the beneficial effects of the high citrate content.

more info:

Your chance of developing another stone is greatly reduced if you:

drink plenty of fluid - at least two litres daily (water is readily available, no prescription needed, very cheap)
take care not to eat too much calcium. You should eat no more than 300 (big cup)ml of milk + 50 g of cheese + either an ice cream or ½ cup of yogurt every day
watch your oxalate intake. You should eat no more than one serving of rhubarb + six slices of beetroot + two servings of either silverbeet, spinach or puha every day
avoid excessive salt intake as it increases urine calcium excretion
eat meat in moderation. Meat is the most important cause of increased calcium and uric acid excretion. Excessive intake (very common amongst men) should be avoided
dietary assessment and modification must be done by a dietician. People must understand the reasons for the dietary advice and be encouraged to make a life long commitment
drugs may be advised for specific conditions.

=Raven

watch your oxalate intake. You should eat no more than one serving of rhubarb + six slices of beetroot + two servings of either silverbeet, spinach or puha every day


Rav, no way am i given up my puha. :doh:

puha wtf is it?

i been reading about the importance of magnesium

total dietary changes... i need to switch over to more shellfish
now... to take advantage of the magnesium in them.
did ya hear that clammah?

red meats out... the key is limiting the uric acid from combining with
oxilic acid to form a stone... can't even spell i'm so tired...:uhuh:

i have many of the vitamin therapies selected.. and a huge
working plan for my war... move over ---- Rumsfeld...

goin to home depot to get bottled water (done)
buying lemons grapefruit (ruby red) and O.J. (done)
reducing my dairy intake to lower amount (done)
buying 20 pounds of carrots for juicing (made some) vitamin A
never eating chocolate again (done) bye bye oxacilic acid ..
will be making chlorophyll drinks because
it's high in magnesium
aloe vera water remedy (bought it )
golden seal (always used it)
catching and eating more fish (excuse to have fun)
so since i'll be consuming mass quantities (conehead lol)
of liquids...8 ounces per hour i'll be peeing like a race horse
and since fats water soluable...bye bye fat cells meaning
i'll loose desired weight as well... sounds like a plan.:jump:

you actually changed your Avatar...you've had for years

i'm amazed,,,, even for a neanderthal....lol

its a cool one too

Are they extinct now Rav.???????

Change is good, change is not good. :huh:

Blame it all on Karl. :rotf2:

Hey raven,

How's the Tramadol working for you?

What milligram did you get?

Keep us posted on the outcome of the rocky situation.

the doc almost scoffed when i told her.... :rolleyes:

but i got the 50 milligram tramadol

and was able to switch off of the percs...
thankgod...for that !b-cuz that stuff is nasty...

and i'm in no pain...eating alot of pineapple
drinking OJ like it's free...and doing so much
better than before....a little weak (woosey)
from the whole experience still from sleepless nights
but bouncing back quite nicely.:bl:
thanks very much for that info on tramadol!

Great news Rav, Great news. :)

puha appears to be a name for a green vegetable that grows in new zealand...
it probably has the same compound in it that spinach does.
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i bought like 40 bucks worth of vitamins today
kiwi -fruit for enzymes/ plus fresh vit. C
drank some thick super food green beverage chock full of spirulina
had fresh (frozen ) sugar snap peas for green food tonight with
some jumbo scallops (for magnesium) and steak fried taters
followed by pineapple yogurt over fresh cut pineapple.

basicly the kick your kidneys ass dinner special. :uhuh:
so...with that kind of appetite .... i'm doing fine :cheers:

but i won't be drinkin beer for a long time.

the xray today confirmed that it hasn't passed
so on the 18th i go back to the hospital
to have it smashed :smash: with a proceedure.

had the bend over prostate exam today
and the prostate is small and normal..
and as the Doc said....with that...
i am blessed. (thank god)

after that it's the butt :bshake:camera trick.

these hospitals with all their technology
geeeesch.... it never ends.

Raven, smile for the colon nurse :D
I hope you are treated, as nicely as I was today.
The staff where I went , was first rate. :uhuh:
Best of luck!

Raven,

When you say "to the hospital to have it smashed" are you saying their going to hit it with sound waves to try and break it up or are you going in for surgery to have it balsted with the laser?

lithotripsy.....is the proceedure.... teaser.

Lithotripsy only has a 70% chance of working unless the stone is still in your kidney, then it's almost 100% effective. I have to bring my kid in for another x-ray to see if it's moved at all since last week. It hadn't a week after her first treatment, and it looks like she'll need a second shock. The stone is in her ureter and blocking the flow from her kidney so she has a nephrostomy bag in place to drain it. I'm not trying to hijack your post, I'm just letting you know that we're going through the same thing here and I'm pulling for you to get through this quickly as I can see how it's effecting my daughter and nobody should have to go through that kind of pain for that long. Good luck and a speedy recovery to you.

Get her some tramadol too. I think Raven's doing better with it, what do ya think Raven ... working okay?

and it got me off the damned percasets....

which for me<- anyways .....is like being stumbling drunk...

i don't like them,(percs) but they are preferable to the pain...

funny thing ..tramadol is a pain killer...
but it doesn't act like a narcotic does. (correction) i'm still learning.


and thanks jklett .... yeah, the stone is still in my kidney,,,
first time (last april was an overnight affair) i had no idea what it was
this time it was a week long battle....

he gives me this collaspsing funnel thingy with a filter screen
in the bottom.....right...

for collecting a passing stone... for examination later...


what a pure piece of junk....it falls apart ...:hs:

jklett ....but your kiddo has to drop chocolate... completely

if shes a stone former....

Raven.

You got that right about the collapsing funnel, total pain in the @$$.

Do what I did after about 1 hour of using the funnel, throw it away and get a clear bottle so you can see anything inside. Just rinse out after use and your good to go, also no mess using a bottle compared to the screen.

With the bottle you not only save the stone(s) but you also have a urine sample ready for the lab techs.

Chocolate is definately a no no as well as soda, but not off the list for life, just use it in moderation.

hospital issued bed side pee bottles.... yep... much easier...

The chocolate and soda thing I have no problem with(we limit that stuff as it is), it's the no spinach and nuts that bothers me. She doesn't eat meat(except for chicken) and gets a lot of her protien from nuts and peanut butter. And unlike most kids, she loves spinach. She saw a nephrologist(sp?) today and she's going to help work out a diet plan as soon as they know exactly what caused the stone.

As to the POS collapsible cup, see if they won't give you a regular funnel with the screen. We got one for home and one for school from the urologist just by asking. If all else fails, you could always line a regular funnel with cheesecloth or something like it to catch the stone.

Since the stone is in your kidney still, the lithotripsy should do the trick on the first shot:kewl: . She's going for her second blast on Wednesday morning and they sounded pretty confident about it this time. At least it has moved some since the first treatment. Unfortunately no dice on the Tramadol, the doc said nothing stronger than tylenol since she's so small(only 48#). Nothing worse than seeing your kid in so much pain and not being able to help her feel better:wall:. I hope you get better soon. I know the whole ordeal has taken at least 10 years off my life and I'm not even the one with the stone. Keep us up to date on what's going on, I've been telling my kid that someone else is going through the same thing as she is and it seems to help her feel better knowing she's not alone with it. She sends her wishes for a speedy recovery.

jklett,

Tell you're little one we're all pulling for her and wishing her success on the next try for the stone, there'll be a little something extra in the prayers tonight for her to get a little pain relief from above.

She sounds pretty tough for a little one, just tell her that yes it hurts alot right now but just think how good its going to feel once its out.

Tight lines and prayers.

thank your sweet daughter for me....for her get well wish and tell her i sent her a get well soon hug....from Raven, she sounds so sweet...
48 pounds... wow... she's quite young....yeah!....for tramadol, even in a reduced dosage for children....so thats tough... hopefully she love's Orange juice . unfortunately Nuts are one of those foods that are high in oxalate so she needs to expand her protien choices beyond chicken somehow.

maybe the nutritionist.....can suggest a protien powder to mix with yogurt as a supplimental source of protien. Also remind your daughter
that she has taste buds on her tounge that are completely replaced
every 7 years so that her taste preferences will change as she gets older. One of the fun things about life is experimenting with different foods to see if you might like them when prepared in different ways.

i did by the way get some nifty funnels from the nurse yesterday after going to the outpatient pre -testing for blood work.

i had a super.... nice looking nurse...:drool:
a fun time... actually .... kidding
around with the doctors and nurses....hahahaha

i was telling the anesthesiologist (sp :huh: )
that i sometimes wake up combative....afterwards
and he just chuckles...and says:

well then make sure ya punch ole doc kraus
right in the head and knock him out....:faga:

How did everything go? Did they get the stone? Are you feeling better?

My daughter's stone is finally gone! They took out the nephrostomy tube today and the hole should heal up in about a week and she'll be good as new! We have a good pediatric nephrologist that she's seeing and she'll work out a plan to try and prevent any more stones from forming. Our lives can finally start to get back to normal here.:happy:

that sonic sound stuff: really beats you up...man...:eek5:

everything was real sore internally...not bruised
but close to it...actually the stone had dropped into my bladder
and thus far not much of any fragmented pieces have been collected.:wall:

today: i busted ass in the garden getting ready for the final
roto till....
and i have several bushells of potatoes to dig up next.

she can have red potatoes but not the white...i've read.
and thats for me as well. I bought 5 pounds of carrots to
juice ...and that beta caroteen really delivers some healing
power to your whole system.

i haven't taken any medication now for two days
to clean out my system. i'm slowly regaining my strength.

too much to read . but the # one reason for kidney stones is dehydration . drink 2 liters of water daily and you may not ever get another . Although 50 percent have return bouts with stones . I just got over a bout myself in August . 1 small stone that hung up half way out . I doubled over after standing up to plug my laptop into one of our network switches then it was 3 days to pass the damn thing . I have had many things happen in my life also that have caused much pain but nothing like this . I litteraly crawled into my house . good thing my new truck is an auto , If it was a standard I never would have made it home . 911 would have been called and then brought me to the hospital .

i'd rather drink 2 liters of BEER than be constantly
peeing all damn day from drinkin that much water.
i tried that ....and i had to pee every 20 minutes...

in fact: now that i think of it... time for an ale.

you should learn to speed read...:kewl:

my eyes dont move fast enough or my brain cant function any faster . drinking beer dehydrates you even more .

gallon, or more of H2O every day... :kewl:...

is that almost 2 liters....?.... i reckon so...

but i like to have in the form of homade juice...
grape,orange/pineapple/ orange or lemonade.ect.

here we have a well so it tastes great...out of the tap
but we also have bottled water electric cooler dispencer too...:)

just got done diggin my potatoes..... :)

is that almost 2 liters....?.... i reckon so...

but i like to have in the form of homade juice...
grape,orange/pineapple/ orange or lemonade.ect.

here we have a well so it tastes great...out of the tap
but we also have bottled water electric cooler dispencer too...:)

just got done diggin my potatoes..... :)

2 liters = half gallon.. my wifes aunt is a nutritionist, and insits, that OJ, lemonade, tea etc. don't count as drinking water, as it introduces other things you need straight water to flush out of the system..my doc is kinda on the same page... he told me to shoot for a gallon and a half (!) a day..(6 liters).. so.. i usually consume a gallon, or a little more, of straight H20... per day... I crack up the guys at work... I tell them I drink "Chateau Pissalot"......;)

I crack up the guys at work... I tell them I drink "Chateau Pissalot"......;)


oh yeah...i've had that wine.... it's imported from napa valley

from france i think..... a sparkling chablis... as i remember

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