Any weight in these? Wood type? I will need to fabricate some of those eyes and that very thin stock material lip that screws onto the front of the plug. Any pictures of those eyes or the plug itself. I have one VB lent me, yes Peter I still got it, but the eyes are not in great shape. Thanks for the help. Paul

Paul I think the original eyes where beads cut in half with a small nail tacking it on

Paul, I also think NJTackle sells the GooGoo lips so that may save you some work.

I checked out an original a couple months back and they didn't look like they had any weight in them......felt real light.

Somebody reissued these some years back. The big ones I have (which are not originals) weigh 4.56 oz. I suspect they are birch, since I can't see that they are weighted and they weigh too much to be pine at that size (and one of mine has cracked which pine doesn't usually do). I have a smaller original that I think is pine and weighs 2.4 oz. You're welcome to borrow one if you want.

Numbskull..
Pics?

The one I have is very light I don't think it is weighted. Also screweyes not thru wired, which I will do. That's right, I will look into the lips, I forgot that they make them. Thanks daddy. Thanks George maybe I will stop by. I know I said that before but this time I mean it. I will Pm you this week for directions and time the is convenient for you. P.

put vb's through the bandsaw...that'll tell all.

Some Pics

put vb's through the bandsaw...that'll tell all.

OK. Is that ok with you pete????:rotf3: Steve say's it's ok with him. Maybe I will send it to BS Ed to have it done professionally.

Thanks TDF. The blue one on top's eyes look right.

Paul, I got a bunch of originals. Some night I will pick up Numby and we will take a ride to your shop to show you. You can borrow wahtever you want. Let me know.:btu:

OK. Is that ok with you pete????:rotf3: Steve say's it's ok with him. Maybe I will send it to BS Ed to have it done professionally.

Sure, u can, I can't remember what I gave you ...lol :rotfl:
You going to make the small needle / swimmers ? Or da big boys?
A nice jointed one?
VB

This one is 6 1/2 inch long weight is 1.5 oz
Screw eye, Jointed

Paul, I got a bunch of originals. Some night I will pick up Numby and we will take a ride to your shop to show you. You can borrow wahtever you want. Let me know.:btu:

That would be fabulous Steve. Just drop me a line before you come so I make sure I am there. Thanks

Peter Peter.:smash: That's right I gave you back all those plugs didn't I.:biglaugh: I would never cut that beater up. I am looking to build the bigger trolling one. That jointed thing is very interesting. I love those eye's. Maybe a troller with a groove for a skin. Let me see a few more colors. Thanks P.

Paul, I am not a big goo goo I collector , But the colors are nothing special. Do your own :faga:
Do you have the huge one with the grove for an eel skin :bshake:
The only nice colors were the marble ones,,,Steve will show ya :err:
VB

Yes I got that one with the groove. Seems some have the big bulging eyes and some don't. Thanks for the photo's.

I posted some pics of my goo goo collection a while back. If you look up my posts in this forum
you should find them. Let me know if you want any close ups etc and I would be happy to post them. I have made some goo goo styles up. They are pretty easy to do. They were made with many types of eyes over the years. They first had a bead nailed in and painted. Later on they had different types of doll or animal eyes ranging from 9 to 10 millimeters some veined and some not colors were yellow and amber. I recently found some 9 mm veined green ones that work pretty well. One story my mother, who knew Leo Cooper, told me is that he countersunk them a. Little so that air bubbles may come off the plug. No idea if that is true but is interesting anyway. That big daddy is a great plug. A blue one caught the 54 lb bass in my avatar. Got to run I am typing this on my blackberry on the train and fingers are getting tired.
Eric

I wondered what happened to your avatar..... Were Goo-goos meant for trolling rather than casting? The one I have feels like it'd cast like an egg carton.

Capt. Frank Sabatowski, who captained Charlie Cinto on the night of his world record (unofficial to the IGFA but still official to me) with a Blue Goo Goo Eye used to wire them through himself and he also grooved his for eelskins. Capt Ron Murphy of the Stray Cat out of Hyannis and who is an old friend of mine got a bunch of Sabby's plugs from his widow when Sabby died. 99% of them were Goo Goos only a few Atom 40's in the pile.

No need to bandsaw ... I've stripped some down bare naked and re-finished,,,and reassembled ,, No Weighting

Paul, I am not a big goo goo I collector , But the colors are nothing special. Do your own :faga:
Do you have the huge one with the grove for an eel skin :bshake:
The only nice colors were the marble ones,,,Steve will show ya :err:
VB

Like this one.......:humpty:

The blue/white one was a beater I refinished last winter to fish this season .. Forgot about it .. gave a yellow one I did away ... everything is screweyes .. come apart real easy ..
http://www.craftking.com/crafthtml/animal_eyes.htm
got eyes here ..
http://www.orostyle.com/ConversionTable2.asp
conversion table for eyes ..
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k134/tagger-02/goooo.jpg

I also do not think the big ones were weighted. The poppers have a little bit of weight you can see on the bottom. I've never cut one open yet though. Don't have one that is enough of a beater.

The big ones don't cast very well I have found. My grandfather however caught a 60 lb'er on a blue goo goo swimmer off scituate many years ago, so they do cast well enough to catch fish.

I've caught a good amount of bluefish on the little 4" swimmers. They hold up pretty well I think with the screw eyes and being made out of a softer wood.

Here is a link to some pics I posted a while back.

http://www.striped-bass.com/Stripertalk/showthread.php?t=30022

Paul, go to page 6 of the Some Plugs thread.

I've have a few Goo Goos and they changed the eyes at one point, but I don't know which one came first - I suspect the eye using the big headed brad was first.

Here are a few closeups of the eyes. I took some apart awhile ago to refinish them and don't have the parts with me. I can take a picture of the removed eye if you want, but I remember the eyes being almost completely round with a hole drilled thru with a counterbore for the brad head.

The first 2 pictures show the eye with the recessed brad head (black pupil).

Here are 2 pictures of the other Goo Goo eyes - solid plastic. I haven't taken any apart to refinish that have these eyes so I don't know what is below the wood. The eye diameter is 1cm.

The big Goo Goos and the Husky Dudes that I sanded down didn't have any weights in them.

1...solid yellow bead eye was first
2...see through bead was second
3..stick on yellow was third
3...brown teddy bear stick on came forth in line

what their using now I havn't a clue...cooper's are still being made today by some co.

1...solid yellow bead eye was first
2...see through bead was second
3..stick on yellow was third
3...brown teddy bear stick on came forth in line

what their using now I havn't a clue...cooper's are still being made today by some co.

Cuttyhunk Lures out of Westport ma.

The last quality version of the Goo Goo Eye was made by M&M Tackle Co and waas called the "Big Jake"

I have a goo goo with one of the eyes missing. It's a pretty deep drilled hole. I will take a picture when I get a chance.

Thanks for all the info guys. Wow. Need more time to digest it but I am psyched. That is quite a collection Eric. I want to do the big bulging eyes so I will make them myself or sift thru the site Ed supplied. I intend to make them for trolling and giving away to some boat people. You guys are the best. P.

Prof M
When I had the time I was fooling around with these. I borrowed a couple of old ones, and there was no weight in them. I finished one and swam it. They swim nice, head down tail waggling out of the water. These are two that going to people I have owed for a long time. Now if I can find the time to epoxy and put the hardware on.
Cranium

http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547/image_uploads/Krispy5a.jpg

:scatter:
http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547/image_uploads/Krispy2a.jpg

:spin:
http://www.stripersonline.com/ubb547/image_uploads/Krispy3a.jpg

WOW. Can I be your friend? Are those recent pics?

What happened to the pictures???????

Timmy no likey linky..

Paul,

Although it is a lot of work you could take a bead from a craft store, countersink the hole that is already in it, cut in half, and then use a brad for the center and you will have your two eyes.

Kevin

Paul,

Although it is a lot of work you could take a bead from a craft store, countersink the hole that is already in it, cut in half, and then use a brad for the center and you will have your two eyes.

Kevin

Check out the 3 plugs i posted ,,, 2 are original ,, 1 I did over (blue/white) including the eye I bought at craftking . link I posted ..

Went down the cellar this morn., surpose to be raking leaves but wife took daughter to piano lessons :bshake: , and whipped out a few. Used some beautiful old pine I have as that is what it seems they used. Second picture is the next project. Gibbs, thanks Peter. I already made a larger version of the gibbs trolling plug and now I will try this thinner one. I am kind of on a kick this year to make some larger trolling plugs. Seems to me that at least 90% or more of the plugs I see being produced by builders these days are for the casting crowd. Since I mostly boat fish and like to troll I am going to produce some plugs that I can drag behind the boat next year. I will make a conscious efffort to use these plugs and see what happens. Just don't seem to see these plugs any more, everything is plastics. I do not know anyone who fishes these large swimmers behind their boat anymore, I am sure people do but I don't know anyone. They caught many large fish in years gone by don't know why they wouldn't work nowadays. If anyone knows of any other larger trolling plugs to try I am interested. Paul

did some of those gibbs troller's a few winters back...NJ atom lip's are a very good match to those on the gibb's.

also doing up some of the same, but jointed now I know how they were weighted.

Hey Krispy,
That Medium Size M&M Goo goo Style(the smaller version of the Big Jake?) swims better than the original IMO, and now I know why you have that stash.:hee: I would not part with those if I were you.

Not to spam this thread, but Im going to drop the price on the Goo Goo eye lip to make it avail to more people.

And I just bought some from you last week......:wall:
No biggie. :walk: Turned my first goo goo last week. I'll post a picture when it's done.

Tman, I told ya, they're not the prettiest but catch like mad. All I have left is a lifetime supply, and thats all I need.
Let me know if you run out

Went down the cellar this morn., surpose to be raking leaves but wife took daughter to piano lessons :bshake: , and whipped out a few. Used some beautiful old pine I have as that is what it seems they used. Second picture is the next project. Gibbs, thanks Peter. I already made a larger version of the gibbs trolling plug and now I will try this thinner one. I am kind of on a kick this year to make some larger trolling plugs. Seems to me that at least 90% or more of the plugs I see being produced by builders these days are for the casting crowd. Since I mostly boat fish and like to troll I am going to produce some plugs that I can drag behind the boat next year. I will make a conscious efffort to use these plugs and see what happens. Just don't seem to see these plugs any more, everything is plastics. I do not know anyone who fishes these large swimmers behind their boat anymore, I am sure people do but I don't know anyone. They caught many large fish in years gone by don't know why they wouldn't work nowadays. If anyone knows of any other larger trolling plugs to try I am interested. Paul

For other large trolling plugs have you considered making some like blue streaks? I've attached a pic of some that I have. I actually don't know how well they swim, I have never dared to tie one on, but I have heard from some old timers that they were really great plugs to fish with.

Eric

Yes I have seen those .Look pretty much the same as a gg eyes except they have a round nose. What kind of lip you think? I know peter has tons. I am sure he will say.

Looks like an A-40 lip would work....


One for the experts.. how close is the A-40 to the Bluestreak, in action, weight, size, etc.?

Anyone made GooGoos out of Cedar? Thinking for the surf they would swim shallow on top?

For other large trolling plugs have you considered making some like blue streaks? I've attached a pic of some that I have. I actually don't know how well they swim, I have never dared to tie one on, but I have heard from some old timers that they were really great plugs to fish with.

Eric

Eric, you have some great plugs :rotfl:
Thanks for posting some :btu:
VB

Anyone made GooGoos out of Cedar? Thinking for the surf they would swim shallow on top?

I am making some out of AYC this week. Are you talking white or red instead. I would think any variety of wood would get you a surface swimmer. It is a big plug and plenty bouyant. P

AYC or Red

Looks like an A-40 lip would work....


One for the experts.. how close is the A-40 to the Bluestreak, in action, weight, size, etc.?

different beast altogether...lead..wood..size.. ..lip.

if u got hit by an a-40 your'd be looking for asprin...get hit by a b.s...an I'll be sending flower's to your grave site.

different beast altogether...lead..wood..size.. ..lip.

if u got hit by an a-40 your'd be looking for asprin...get hit by a b.s...an I'll be sending flower's to your grave site.

So.. now that ya got my attention :)..
:huh:.. Bluestreak..what lip?... got ya I think on the heavier wood.. (hard, not soft) (beech OK, yeah, still got some in the pile).. belly?, arse?.. or both?

different beast altogether...lead..wood..size.. ..lip.

if u got hit by an a-40 your'd be looking for asprin...get hit by a b.s...an I'll be sending flower's to your grave site.

Amen to that Brother, freakin' billy clubs.

Karl...when your ready to spin..I'll drop off HALF a B.S for ya...tell's all.....save that dark brown deck railing you have..u know,,that NewJoisy painted pine.

Thanks CS :D