Cost me two BM large dannys and an eyeless 2oz BM darter, all new in a package to learn this. Enjoy. 3/8 x 3/4, 3/8 x 5/8.

George you are a good man. I was just wondering about those plugs the other day. Now I need the dim. for the lips. Thank you. Did anyone die while they were waiting to get into x-ray today. Must have been a bitch putting that top thru wire in

George you are a good man. I was just wondering about those plugs the other day. Now I need the dim. for the lips. Thank you. Did anyone die while they were waiting to get into x-ray today.

Stop by and you can measure them yourself. I can only get them accurate to a few thousandths. :laughs:

What no house calls. Bring them to the fest and I will do just that and make a template too of the profile. Your the best

sorry it cost you George ... I got the big danny ... I turned some out of White Ceadar .. thank you ..

I'm not sorry, Eddy. I'd trade a BM for a Pichney any day. Always go to the source.

How the hell did he drill that through wire hole like that?

Don't clear your chips, use a slow drill speed, a dull drill and push hard. Works particularly well for those bottle plugs you want to make into reverse atoms. :uhuh:

In some of my smaller needles I melt the lead in a small ladle and pour it directly into the holes after the plug is wired. I bet you could do the same thing on that danny, and then you would not need to bend the wire and do the drilling the way he did to get it above the belly weight.

The belly weights appear to be dead center .. Are they George ?

You can even see the drill angle in the picture. Front is drilled on a jig and the rear is drilled straight.

Why ? .. so front hanger is deeper ? ... to avoid necessary humungus belly weight ? probably both . :read:..Numby .. those weights dead center ???,, drilling today ..

Don't clear your chips, use a slow drill speed, a dull drill and push hard.

I've done that .. comes out the eye hole ...

I've done that .. comes out the eye hole ...

Me,too. And then I get a new hand hole..then:happy:, but not happy..

If you look close enough there are 2 wire holes drilled from the front. Looks like one was drilled straight thru the whole plug on center and then another was drilled from the front on the angle for the lip to meet the straight thru hole eventually.

..Numby .. those weights dead center ???,, drilling today ..

No, Eddy, they are at the balance point of the rigged plug. That is a shade under 2 7/8" back on the medium and 3 5/16" back on the large. Everybody does it the same on this shape plug.

On the smaller one, does it look like the molten lead ran aft a little? Maybe the hole was doubledrilled, didn't hit right the first shot, left a bigger space for lead to run into?

Yeah Fred I think you are right. Not the most precision job but then again they are only fishing plugs and the end result is all that matters.

I have had an idea to rout the hole in the belly of plugs with the kind of bit that you use to hang a picture with, it is T shaped and leaves a slot, this way the lead does not have to be so deep that it hits the thru wire and follows it as you pour it in, and also because of the way it's done it can never fall out. I suppose it has to be for large plugs only because that bit is good size.

I think the way that offset wiring is done, is done that way to keep the swivels at a certain height so they are even and don't stick out too far.
I did that on a small danny long ago.

good stuff George:read:

Actually I think the weight was drilled through and that is a curled lead chip. Pretty sure it was not poured into the plug (the top of the weight would be the shape of a drill point if it had been), but a more recent renowned builder did use that technique.

I have had an idea to rout the hole in the belly of plugs with the kind of bit that you use to hang a picture with, it is T shaped and leaves a slot, this way the lead does not have to be so deep that it hits the thru wire and follows it as you pour it in, and also because of the way it's done it can never fall out. I suppose it has to be for large plugs only because that bit is good size.

I think the way that offset wiring is done, is done that way to keep the swivels at a certain height so they are even and don't stick out too far.
I did that on a small danny long ago.

good stuff George:read:
When I poured lead directly into plugs I used to use a 1/4" dovetail bit to make the bottom of the hole bigger so it would not fall out.
Worked.

For you guys who want to pour directly and deep think pull wire (.094"). Here is a closeup of an expensive needle that was made that way.

If you prefer to drill through lead, drill your through wire hole first, then use a long 1/8" bit with the cutting tip hand ground on your grinder to a longer point powered by a plug-in electric hand drill at full speed so it doesn't bog down and seize. Works like a charm.

Excelent thread George Thanks!:btu:

thanks george:hee:

a belly weight is meant to be a keel to keep the plug from rolling. A tall narrow belly weight's effectivenesses is far less to stop roll as compared to a wide weight close to the belly. The closer you get to the center of a plug(around the through wire)- the only thing the lead is going to do is make it heavier and maybe stabilize the plugs ability to wiggle from the middle of the plug and not from the nose (like a pikie).

go x-ray a beachmaster danny and you will see a huge difference in the belly weight.

id take a beachmaster danny over a pichney danny anyday, unless it is painted one color ;)

For you guys who want to pour directly and deep think pull wire (.094"). Here is a closeup of an expensive needle that was made that way.

Yeah, expensive but worth it.

Have thought about direct pour myself, but worry about the overspill into the through wire hole and issues compromising the sealer coat, not to mention the hassles of handling hot lead.

Why not just do what I do, make the slug a bit wider and shallower and then you're all good. :huh:

go x-ray a beachmaster danny and you will see a huge difference in the belly weight.



No need, I've got those, too. The internet is not the place to post those pictures, however. Let's just say, the bottom of that weight is not where I was expecting it to be.

For you guys who want to pour directly and deep think pull wire (.094"). Here is a closeup of an expensive needle that was made that way.
Wonder how that was done? I don't see any easy way.
Somehow the holes were plugged and as you say a pull wire inserted.

Why not just do what I do, make the slug a bit wider and shallower and then you're all good. :huh:

Right...

Neat stuff Geo.I love the x-rays..
Like Slip said the plug uis thru wired on a angle to get the front swivel up into the body some.At least thats what I learnt when Manzi ripped a beachmanster danny in half 6 yrs ago..

At least thats what I learnt when Manzi ripped a beachmanster danny in half 6 yrs ago..

geeeez,, thats nuts .. was it new and unfished like this one .??

got any glue ?... worth 50 on epay ..

At least it was one with eyes.

geeeez,, thats nuts .. was it new and unfished like this one .??

got any glue ?... worth 50 on epay ..
I was just wondering how they were weighted:jump:
I think I would have just pulled the wire

Oops...

I have a few Pichney danny's.One goes close to 3 oz.I love that plug when the water gets up.Just hold it in the curl an u can see em flashing behind it.Till one takes it.I have a few 2 hook A-jrs made by danny also I have done pretty well with.
These are the types I copy or Or should I say I make similar designs. As I can't get em without giving up a arm or a leg.Not really much of a surfcaster without them things.
So many lures.It's a PITA to make a bag sometimes.
Learning how they react in different surf conditions thru this building thing is worth there weight in gold.Not sure I would realize the difference if I did not start doing this.I wonder if the collectors know the difference..

I have a few Pichney danny's.One goes close to 3 oz.I love that plug when the water gets up.Just hold it in the curl an u can see em flashing behind it.Till one takes it.I have a few 2 hook A-jrs made by danny also I have done pretty well with.
These are the types I copy or Or should I say I make similar designs. As I can't get em without giving up a arm or a leg.Not really much of a surfcaster without them things.
So many lures.It's a PITA to make a bag sometimes.
Learning how they react in different surf conditions thru this building thing is worth there weight in gold.Not sure I would realize the difference if I did not start doing this.I wonder if the collectors know the difference..

If you lokk at my basement pictures and think wow, what a horder, I tell you frankly there are about a 100 plugs I wouldn't fish the others are all there for specific reasons and those reasons are for different conditions, places, time of year and matching specific bait availble at the time. I still fish Creek Chubs, Wooden Atoms, P-40 and 54's, Capn' Bill's etc. They were menat to catch fish and if you don't have them when you need them and your a plug fisherman your sh!t out of luck. Thats why I have so many.

Some collectors, like VB and AdamR., who have my deepest respect, collect antique to preserve the heritage and once in thier collections don't re-sell. I have sold to them because of this and know that what I have is going to a safe place and to someone with the utmost reverence for what they represent.

The majority though have no real clue and the escalation of value is thier only true motive.

Your statement Tony is profound and right on the money. Keep fishing those Pichneys, that is what they were made for!:uhuh:

Nice to see you back BTW!

Coming up here Feb. 16th?

Flap,U know I want to be there.4 plus hr drive makes it a long day..well see how it's going in Feb..

I have a couple of interviews with Danny Pichney from the late 70s that I have tried to scan and post but I guess I am not computer literate enough to do it.
Anyone know how? I looked at the picture thing and it confuses me.
I'll check back later my kids require it for there "homework" I think they mostly IM

I have a couple of interviews with Danny Pichney from the late 70s that I have tried to scan and post

I'm arroused ... please post ... .

Please not in front of the children:smash:

Flap,U know I want to be there.4 plus hr drive makes it a long day..well see how it's going in Feb..


Want company?
I'll split the expenses and the driving if you want.

PatrickD