Messed ya Saturday man, was lookin forward to meeting ya...next time!

http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.com/needles3.jpg


Subtle attempt at humor :D

Hey SALTY nice EYES

Ya, Salty I just saw that one on your site. I never realized you were in the tackle biz.

I wonder if Dave knows his pic is also there:D

you salty bugger you.

hmmm not any more it's not :D

whatsamatter spoilsport :p

lol it's still there but ya just can't see it :D

I bustin his nuts enuf tonite :D

a whole crapload are missing! you wiped them out:fishslap: :bl2: :hf1: :hee: :boots:

:crying:

naah they all duplicates on the rest of the site.

Wow, look at you. With so many professionals there, I shoulda gone to the GTG.

Nice cuppa, bubba..... :)
--OJ

:D:happy:

OJ, Salty was over a while ago admiring your work (purple needle), I almost felt bad about putting that piece of ayc over his head :smash: but he wasn't leaving the house with my needle:D !! johnny "the Ratt Boy"

Aye, Ratty, ya busted a stick 'o wood in a good cause. Keep some more handy..... :) :) --OJ

Originally posted by pisrfcstr
but he wasn't leaving the house with my needle:D !! johnny "the Ratt Boy"

ya bubba but did ya check ta make sure it's still there? :p

Oh, it's still there and you better watch out bandsaw boy or i'm reaching for the oak next time:D ! "the Ratt Boy"

haha! made ya look though didn't I :p

:doh: ;) "the Ratt Boy"

Originally posted by Krispy
Wow, look at you. With so many professionals there, I shoulda gone to the GTG.

I didn't know there were so many professionals around either. Make plugs for 3 months on other people's blanks and all of a sudden you "specialize in wooden saltwater plugs". :confused: :rolleyes:

Charlie

Charlie I don't know what you're problem is but if you got something to say then take it offline ok?

Yep I been using the old Makati blanks for some plugs and making the rest on my duplicator, and have developed my own version of darters, swimmers, and mini poppers.
Got a problem with that? Like I said take it offline.

I don't have a problem with you selling plugs that you have copied. I thought it was funny that you could specialize in something after only doing it for 3 months. 3 months isn't a whole lot of time to do alot of research and design. No need to go offline with anything... you should be proud of your venture and look foward to defending your product, you get tons of free advertising, it's the least you could do.

Charlie

Funny, I took the tone of that as a slam to what I was doing.

Didn't notice any freshwater stuff on my site, did you? :rolleyes:

And for the record, i'm not looking for any free ads, i'm happily supporting this site and several others already.
:happy:

That was hardly a slam. I was refering to the fact you could specialize in building plugs after 3 months. It had nothing to do with if they were fresh or saltwater.

Charlie

I know a guy who made close to 100 versions of a darter before he settled on one that worked consistently the way it should.

But Im just gonna :hidin: over here

I dont think plug builders should fight. this is why alot of guys come and go like Me:smash: screw plugs Im taking up Drinking coffee and Pharting with Habs.
:D
I will Say If a Guy can fish and know what he wants in a plug, Then its a building learning curve.
Did any one see My popper all beat up from Blues and some Bass.
it was made 10 to 12 years ago and had screw eyes made from stainless and made from a oak dowell But it works...
and I saved doe not paying 7 or 8 bucks for a gibbs popper.
Sheit if I can whap a bugger plug with a hammer and not have the paint come off BTW Ill take one:) Then I think He is on the right track...
Take one of My ok plugs I guess and whap it off a rock and watch the epoxy come off, But Im a sand sissy:laughs:
So C,mon Guys No wars save it for the Gutter where we can swear and stuff.
C,mon No wars Guys....

Originally posted by Krispy
I know a guy who made close to 100 versions of a darter before he settled on one that worked consistently the way it should.

But Im just gonna :hidin: over here
Me 2:gf: :sled: :faga: :spam: master

WOW.

There's no war going on here, atleast I don't think there is, is there? :smash: :confused:

Charlie is just trying to make a point and voice his opinion of what seems like a short timespan that some go from novice to pro at making plugs. However the learning curve is so varied among people that generalizing is not necessarily fair. It seems Salty spends lots of his time involved in fishing and who are we to say he has only made plugs for 3 months. Krispy, how long did it take Tat to develop those dahtahs? Long time, huh?That is one plug that is time consuming. Some guys already are businessmen and selling plugs would just be another interest so they know some of the important things already about selling products., ofcourse if it's not really making money then it's more of a hobby and the IRS will look at it that way if no profit is shown after a certain number of years, just ask your accountant.

Ther are a lot of professionals out there, too many to count. Fishing tackle is big business, and these fishing forums make it known that lots of us obsessed fishermen and women are plug-a-holics, we can't get enough., gotta have some of everything for all the different situations. It would be too simple and unchallenging if 1 plug worked everywhere for all situations. So that is why there's romm for everybody to try and sell their wares.

I don't know where I'm going with this but who cares anyway.

It's a tribute thread to OJ, let's get back on track. He is the one who first posted a cup o needles:) and I'm sure he's flattered by others using that idea.

BM, what are you gonna do with thousands of plugs anyway? :smash:

Krispy, come out from under that rock :)

WOW WOW AND WOW

Yeh - what Slip said... :bsod:

And on a side note: #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is going to be helping out here...

Here's to ya, boys.....:) :)
(first batch of the new year...if I can post the pic ok...) --OJ

http://C:\Documents and Settings\default\Desktop\cuppa2.jpg

Who's fighting?:confused:

Slip, Im just watching over my back for the "Posse";)

BM, when did you ever "go", from a website?:p

OJ, i'm looking behind my head for that ayc again now thanks :D

Originally posted by OldJohn
Here's to ya, boys.....:) :)
(first batch of the new year...if I can post the pic ok...) --OJ

http://C:\Documents and Settings\default\Desktop\cuppa2.jpg

Very nice needles :cool:

i don't know salty, i seem to recall seeing needlefish with that same eye cut being sold commerically by a builder whose lures are very common. looks like a clone to me.

i have to agree w/ charlie on this one. there seems to be a lot of instant lure builders in the past year that seemed to have just bought equipment within the last year. doesn't seem like too much r&d work has been done in that short of a timespan. originality is out and cloning/copying is in. this isn't important for the people that just want to build a few lures for fun for themselves (again, themselves), but for those that decide to build/sell commerciacally you better check what's out there first.

My lures aren't clones of anyone's lures.

Show me the same color patterns and eye ideas on other lures that look like that?

And for the record, i've been woodworking since I was 7 years old...so I didn't just buy the equipment and start this year as you profess. I got the carvings and furniture...wanna see some?

unreal.

I'm done with this. You guys can debate it all you want.

I love those needles OJ :D

OJ has nice needles

Salty, dont get upset, i think people are just looking and voicing their thoughts. Prove them wrong. There is room for everyone.

Oh so you're trying to say by posting that link that i'm copying Hab's?
Guess what you're wrong!
Know where I came up with that idea? I messed up drilling a eye one day...I WAS using 3/8" eyes and on a bunch of plugs the eyes ended up off center, so to fix them I overdrilled them. I liked how it looked and kept doing it on the next batch. Wanna see the rest of the plugs that are still sitting here cuz I wasn't happy with them? They're all hangin from the ceiling.

I never even SAW a Hab's plug until I bought one from Tim sometime in December to see what everyone was talking about. Wanna see the receipt?

Oh and maybe you should know that I spent probably 30 hours toying with a idea I had to weight a plug from the back....and fully planned on starting some like this, then I saw that Hab' already came up with the idea and I was bummed because I thought it WAS my own...so i'm not doing it.

And i'm not getting upset, but will tell you guys that I LIVE BREATH SLEEP plugs every day. Anyone that has been to my house will tell you that. I'm constantly dreaming up new ideas. NOT copying anyone else! I resent the fact that someone even has the nerve to say that I am.

OK, Ill remove the thread.
I only make floating needles and reverse poppers, anyways.

For the record Sea Wolf and Charlie, some of the big names in plugs copy other peoples designs as well. Ever hear if it ain't broke don't fix it. How many make darters, poppers, needles, surfsters, danny's????? The guy never asked for your opinion. Who cares if he was building plugs for 1 week , 1 month , or 10 years bvefore he went the way he did. All the negativity in this town sucks. Maybe if more people would make a quality plug, like Habs, BM, Tattoo, and Salty we would all be better off. Take a Lex out of the package and see how fast the finish wears off. It's alway these sophmoric posts that ruin a site. If ya don't like it keep the comments to yourself.


I love my OJ needle.

BTW, here's my first needlefish I did...

http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.com/images/BLACKNEEDLE.jpg

my first darter

http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.com/images/FIRSTPLUG.jpg

my first pikie:

http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.com/images/pikie2.jpg

Oh and here's how I used to do my needles so you can see exactly what i'm talking about:

http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.com/images/needles.jpg

Here's where I started doing them with small molded eyes:

http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.com/images/blackpurpleneedle2.jpg

And here's how I do them now:

http://www.#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&.com/images/olive2ozneedle.jpg

That pikie looks familiar, Oh thats cause it 's hanging here at my house. :D

OJ ..... Nice Plugs Bubba.
A J Habs did You like My plop test in the pail?
I like floaters.....:bgi: :spam: Master.........

:confused: I don't know what "That" you are talking about Krispy.

OK, is everyone thru now? Nobody has to prove anything so lighten up and go stare at your own plugs and dram about what you will catch on them. :smash:

btw, the reason i posted the pics is to show you the difference in eyes i've gone through now, from stick-on cheapies to drilled molded to overdrilled molded.
And some I still keep drilled like my smaller needles-3/8" molded eyes drilled and recessed. Looks better. But again, my own ideas and designs.

Originally posted by TheSpecialist
That pikie looks familiar, Oh thats cause it 's hanging here at my house. :D

yessa it is, and hope ya catch a fish on it dood :D

That's one of me early plugs and someday she be worth $$$ :D

Since my pikie has the stick-on cheapies, you can make it up to me by sending me one of those nice swimmers :D

That pikie will be in the bag for cuttyhunk this year. :cool: :happy:

It was a little joke, but i suck. :smash:
Lets not get overly dramatic here. No ones getting negative or down on each other.
He does have a very nice site and at least he's not :spam: teachers from the mid-west

Originally posted by TheSpecialist
That pikie will be in the bag for cuttyhunk this year. :cool: :happy:
go lay down You Ho, and bring a plug for Me U rat bastage:D :smash: :chatter :spam:Master
John You swim that Pike? and I hope ya toss the pink needle that will work good in the land of misfit Toys
no one liked My old popper:( But that suka got MoJo munch....

I figured it might have been a joke Chris.

Hey BM, nobody wanted my plugs either :p I like it that way.
Poppers are for people who don't fish at night like real men.

Originally posted by Slipknot
I figured it might have been a joke Chris.

Hey BM, nobody wanted my plugs either :p I like it that way.
Poppers are for people who don't fish at night like real men.
He Man fishing;) Man I made a bunch of those and use to hand them out at oregon beach. use to fly fish there for them blues
1 would tease with a popper with no hooks and then slap a popper fly out there.. sucked though hat to put a new one on after a fish But liked the popper fly for the hit. If I had a brain i rould have made them on a tube to slind up the 50 mono

Originally posted by #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&
My lures aren't clones of anyone's lures.

Show me the same color patterns and eye ideas on other lures that look like that?


You told me today that your needles and some of your other plugs are either makati blanks or copies. How are they not a clone? It isn't very difficult to tell the difference. How you cut the eyes is so incredibly irrelevant and whether or not they are 3d or stick ones. It is still the same basic shape and weighting.

If you think different cut outs for the eyes are R&D, then it is a shame that you weren't building before there were forums like this where alot of hard work was figured out before you could search for it and t instantly appeared. You had to figure it all out and you effed alot of stuff up. R&D is making dozens of plugs slightly different and tweaking them as you go, whether the shape, weighting, lip, etc.

I have seen tons of different color schemes. I would still say a plug is a copy even if it is a different or new color scheme. Still gonna swim the same. I don't think there is anything wrong with copying. I think there should be some testing period however before selling them. There is a huge difference between making a plug for yourself and making one for sale.

Originally posted by TheSpecialist
It's alway these sophmoric posts that ruin a site. If ya don't like it keep the comments to yourself.


I completely disagree. Once he posts his website, the product is up for criticism. If you are ready to accept all of the suckling, you have to be prepared to accept criticism from skeptics. I think threads like this allow you to see the different opinions of a product and the track record of it. In the end... everyone makes a better product if you are able to take criticism as it is instead of it as an attack.


Charlie

Yikes, what happened in here, children fighting again. John where's the switch, take them behind the barn and put an end to this :).

I'm safe, what's a plug? Sluggo come get me if you can, yeah you planted the seed in my head years ago, but mine are all original designs:). Point being, not everyone can re-invent the wheel boys. If you think you've got something new, well I'd guess it's been done in some way, shape or form.

Play nice now.

CHILDREN PLEASE,,,,,my mother would say, but that was when I was a child.............all grown up now aren't...WE?

Sorry Charlie(I just wanted to say that :) ) but I put the link up there, my fault, Scott didn't spam his site. I was wrong and I'll go take it down now. Sorry John :(

:eek: :confused: Man!, What happened here?Last night we were having some fun on this thread , Iget home today and it looks like it blew up!!With all the crap and negative attitudes I face at work THIS place was where you could feel like you're among friends who share the same addiction as you.I thought we helped each other here not turn on each other.As far as Salty goes,you guys know we're buddies,but even if we weren't i'd still say he is an up front guy, he never tried to pass off other blanks as his.He IS putting in the hours and finding what works for him.These are fishin' lures, it's all been done before, it's just adding your own touch that makes it YOURS.This is stupid ....
OJ, Ilove the needles, I see we added some color to the purple and now have a sexy olive(don't let BassAssasin see that one!).And i'm happy to say if ya pm me yer address, IT'S TIME:D !
"the Ratt Boy" peace :) ...

Ratty.....
Oh, goody, goody, goody.....:happy: :happy: :happy:
Check ya PMs........:) --OJ

Moderate thread HiJack...
Couple things - Salty wants to sell plugs and he offered to sponsor here (and he sponsors somewhere else too). The details will be out soon but it's pretty much official.

I'm not a plug builder so I can't tell you what weight placement offests that hook to make a wiggle this way but cross pollenization of wooden plugs have been going on since before many of us were born. There is probably a lot less original thinking from EVERYONE than they might think. You think every current Gibbs model is fresh and revolutionary? Nobody ever mad a needle like Hab's? I remember when he was still giving them out for testing, long before Internet Ho'ing was fashionable. Build plugs that work & build them well (and throw in nice colors that catch fishermen :D )

I would like to see the general gist of this thread lighten up a bit. Major thread hijacking going on... Enough of that crap from me for now. Slip - nothing to be sorry for :hihi: .

All the negativity in this town sucks "And Parish, Bird, McHale are not walking thru that door and the sooner everyone understands that, the better this place will be :D " or something like that - I love the rant, RICKY

John You swim that Pike? BM - I haven't been anywhere near the water in weeks and I'm less than 1000 feet away :(

WOW, Id like to think no one makes a needle like me. ALL I can tell you is I tested and had numerous PEOPLE TEST my PLUGS even before I thought of SELLING. When you BUY a HABS your buying a PROVEN FISH CATCHER......... End of Story.......................I ALSO WILL SPONSER HERE. Why is my name always mentioned. Can't we all get along......PLEASE.....................HEY GOOD LUCK TO ALL.... J. Habs

Chill out guys! Hey Habs why dont ya take them all out for a coffee?
Maybe we need to go to common templates like Nascar is attempting to do??

Then what ya gonna argue about!!!:laughs: :laughs:

HAVE to be coffee , I'm on the wagon..........BUT CAN SNEAK A lil wine, For the heart......................

JOHNR Whats a grey beards, i dont have hair

JHabs - you got a beard & it's gray right? I wasn't knocking your plugs. I was trying to engage my frazzled and tired of 5 hours commuting back & from work today brain, guess I failed :) . Remember 5 years ago when I told you were were gonna sell plugs on the net :laughs: - Remember that?

JOHNR, No problem, I know you were not knocking my PLUGS ,Thats not why I said that. And if you were no BIG DEAL ,It wont be the first or last time someone did. :) Also so GUYS thats part of buisness, Can't take the HEAT get out of the KITCHEN. GUYS remember I F SOMEONE CAN'T SAY SOMETHING GOOD THEY SAY SOMETHING BAD ALEEST THERE TALKING ABOUT YOU. And that MY FRIENDS IS FREE ADVERTISING................I can see its going to be a long WINTER, So lighten up a LIL........JOHNR I remember what you said back then. :) And Grey Beards your to funny. Guys lets KEEP this GREAT site GOING and SUCCESSFUL with more of :) :D :happy: :cheers: :jump: :claps: :btu: and less of :smash: :af: :smash: :af: :smash: :smash: :af: .................................................. ..................

Oh, I see now. $. Only allowed to knock Gibbs:(

JOHNR I remember what you said back then. And Grey Beards your to funny. Guys lets KEEP this GREAT site GOING and SUCCESSFUL with more of :) :D :happy: :cheers: :jump: :claps: :btu: and less of :smash: :af: :smash: :af: .................................................. .................. I agree :D

Oh, I see now. $. Only allowed to knock Gibbs
Krispy what the hell are you talking about :p ? I'm not knocking Gibbs. I'm not knocking Habs. In fact, I'm not knocking anyone. What I'm saying is that there is a lot of similarities between different plugs & plug makers. When you get to the little guys (Habs bub - you're a little guy but you are the BIG little guy :D ), you also hope for and get that extra tuning & consistency not found in the big guys. The quality & performance of these plugs will speak for themselves. If they suck - people won't buy them. If they fall apart - people won't buy them. If they're top quality and catch fish - people WILL pay the extra coin for the custom plug guy.

As for the $$ comment - #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^& is going to be a sponsor here, as will probably Habs, Tattoo is now as well. These guys kick in extra dough and plugs ( :D ) to keep the lights on. But they are also looking to sell their works. And they fully understand that. Shoot, you even donated a few plugs to the site last year, remember? This sponsorship helps pay the bills. Notice there are NO annoying Popup ads or running on a slow but free server or that you are on one of those really annoying daily mass e-mails or prohibition of links. I don't sell anyones names, info or addresses to anyone.You know - I would LOVE to be able to do a site where there is no advertising at all or whatever advertising there is goes to a "Take a Kid Fishing" charity. If I was loaded it would be a different story. Instead, I've kicked in my own coin over the past few years to keep this site as open & honest as I can (and that coin would have me a lot farther towards the boat I want or a new Sand Sled). This year might be the first that DOESN'T require me to cough up money out of my pocket to run (thank God but this isn't how I intend to make a living). Some like to make plugs as a hobby, or build rods, or tie flies, or phart on Internet pages :hihi: - me I try to run a quality site that's open and freindly that doesn't SELL anything. This is what I do. So please understand if I get a little tweaked when I see something like that (I'll still sit down & have a beer with you though :cheers: - no hard feelings)

Damn - I'm rambling here :doh: - All I'm saying is let's all lighten up a little, I'm not trying to squash honest discussion here - really I'm not. I don't censor anything unless it's rude or illegal (and the rude stuff can go in the Gutter :laughs: ) or really attacking someone. I don't squash links, or tell people not to talk about things or products or sites or anything - there is enough of that already. I just want a positive place and not overly negative. Honest & Fair... (I sound like a friekin' politician :rollem: )

I will encourage people to check out our sponsors FIRST before going somewhere else. And I DO think that is very fair...

quote:

"or phart on Internet pages "

FOOCROFLMAO

:laughs: :laughs: :laughs: John, that one struck my funny bone:D

JOHNR FOR PRESIDENT...............................

I second that motion, this site has been really free of the bickering that goes on at some other places we all know about, let's keep it that way. John if you win the presidency, I'd like a nice choice cabinet job (on paper), just send me a weekly check:).

Screw politics - I freakin' hate politics!

Slip - glad you liked that one :D

im going back to the Gutter where I came from:D

Don't trip over me on your way.:happy: :happy:

JOHNR, NO beard, MUSTASH with 13 GREY HAIRS you trying to make me feel like a OLD MAN . I should be all GREY with some of you GUYS. :)