I heard on the radio the MA Legislature was debating the following: To approve payments at the level of in state tuition at state universities for illegal aliens but only if such illegal aliens were already enrolled in MA high schools for 3 years.


WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wall:

I heard on the radio the MA Legislature was debating the following: To approve payments at the level of in state tuition at state universities for illegal aliens but only if such illegal aliens were already enrolled in MA high schools for 3 years.


WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wall:

I totally don't agree, I had dinner with Betty Porriea I wish I had known

Illegals should not have any rights in this country. You don't have a SS# or a valid Visa then no education, no health care, no workers rights, no rights at all. There is a reason it is called "illegal alien".

they just steal SS #/s

Illegals should not have any rights in this country. You don't have a SS# or a valid Visa then no education, no health care, no workers rights, no rights at all. There is a reason it is called "illegal alien".

"Undocumented Americans"....living in the shadows

"Undocumented Americans"....living in the shadows

They are not undocumented, they are in the school system(?) and no they are NOT Americans!

I heard on the radio the MA Legislature was debating the following: To approve payments at the level of in state tuition at state universities for illegal aliens but only if such illegal aliens were already enrolled in MA high schools for 3 years.


WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wall:
These proposals come up here and there but the public is pretty overwhelmingly against them. I doubt it will go anywhere.

That being said, if a kid has been in public schools for 3 years in good standing...wouldn't you rather have them continue to be in school to become a more productive part of the workforce rather then hit the street?

-spence

That being said, if a kid has been in public schools for 3 years in good standing...wouldn't you rather have them continue to be in school to become a more productive part of the workforce rather then hit the street?

-spence

yes... The street that leads right back to Mexico
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they just steal SS #/s

I had a Polish friend back in the 70's that was rotating her family through the US, working just long enough to qualify for SS then they went home. What a deal...

And according to Obama.... Whatever you owe on loans after 20 yrs of only paying back school loans at a rate pf 10% of your income..... you don't have to pay back. WTF....

These proposals come up here and there but the public is pretty overwhelmingly against them. I doubt it will go anywhere.

That being said, if a kid has been in public schools for 3 years in good standing...wouldn't you rather have them continue to be in school to become a more productive part of the workforce rather then hit the street?

-spence

Nope. I'd rather them get shipped right back home and them take the necessary steps to come here.

My guess, is if you sum 10% of the ave graduates income over 20 years, it is pretty close to the loan amount...
Make 50K/yr - > 5k/yr = 100,000
Make 100k/yr -> 10k/yr = 200,000

My guess, is if you sum 10% of the ave graduates income over 20 years, it is pretty close to the loan amount...
Make 50K/yr - > 5k/yr = 100,000
Make 100k/yr -> 10k/yr = 200,000

I was thinking along the same lines, but then realized that there will be many students who graduate and make significantly less than that. Also, the rate of tuition will most likely continue to increase at a greater rate than entry level salaries. What's the problem with having students pay off their entire loan? My wife worked during college and saved up enough to pay off her entire tuition from Emerson (which was pretty expensive at the time) within a year of graduating. I don't see there being much motivation for paying off loans quickly if they know they won't have to pay the remaining balance after 20 years.

What if they want to join the US miltary? Should we let them and give them full citizenship?

You don't have to be a citizen to join the military....

I know we don't but should we?
Entrance into a state university (not a community college) is pretty stringent these days. If someone scores high enough on the SAT's to get in, given their background and the language issues, we're passing up the potential of a very smart, motivated young person who wants to work.

Then let him get in the country the proper way and get the proper paperwork.

I know we don't but should we?
Entrance into a state university (not a community college) is pretty stringent these days. If someone scores high enough on the SAT's to get in, given their background and the language issues, we're passing up the potential of a very smart, motivated young person who wants to work.

Let them show it by wrking to get into the country LEGALLY.

As for ILLEGAL ALIEN'S rights, they are taking them away from us and giving ours to them.
The state already gives licenses to IA's, free healthcare, subsidized housing and jobs, yet we legal, indigenous residents have to "prove" ourselves worthy to PAY for those same benefits. When did we flip over to the "bizzaro" universe?

education is a civil right that everyone is entitled to...it should not be reserved for just the privledged few...we are all citizens of the world....all education universal and universal education for all...it takes a village to educate a village....

education is a civil right that everyone is entitled to...it should not be reserved for just the privledged few...we are all citizens of the world....all education universal and universal education for all...it takes a village to educate a village....

Why does it have to be my/our village and my tax dollars that educate the world?

well, we steal all of the world's resources and indiscriminately attack other countries because of our Imperialist tendencies..the least that we could do is educate the people that survive our scourge of the planet....are you against people having education???

My guess, is if you sum 10% of the ave graduates income over 20 years, it is pretty close to the loan amount...
Make 50K/yr - > 5k/yr = 100,000
Make 100k/yr -> 10k/yr = 200,000

Lets say you go to school for 4 years ( alot of kids go more if you want to make 75K plus)and take out loans of 160K then get a job paying 75k. 10% would be 7500 times 20 years is 125k. So now the originating bank not only does not get any interest but also looses 35k in the deal or is the government going to magically come up with the difference and the interest so the banks can continue to find school lending smart business practice??

Should we let them and give them full citizenship?

Give ME, give ME, give ME......everybody wants everything GIVEN and no body wants to EARN anything anymore.

Everyone thinks things are "my right" rather than a "privilege earned".

Take, take, take it's MINE........

That should stoke the fires a little.........

....are you against people having education???

I am not against education but I am for quality education....our system is buckling trying to provide a quality education for our own citizens let alone the World! Most schools will be forced to work under a 20-40% reduction in budgets for the next few years,, how do you maintain a level of quality when all the programs are forced to cut and class sizes increase. On another topic: teaching to the MCAS is not a quality education (IMO).....read in the Brockton Emptyprise today about science fairs: about half the schools surveyed don't have science fairs either they don't have money/resources or time since a science fair doesn't help them pass MCAS.

I know we don't but should we?
Entrance into a state university (not a community college) is pretty stringent these days. If someone scores high enough on the SAT's to get in, given their background and the language issues, we're passing up the potential of a very smart, motivated young person who wants to work.

Joe, its sounds like the right thing to do. But resources are limited, we cannot help everyone, why dont we start with helping American citizens first? The decendants of the people who toiled and sacrificed to build this country should not stand in line behind people whose parents jumped a river or snuck across the border.

Sure, everyone should be allowed to get an education, provided they can AFFORD it. That means playing by the rules, paying tuition, applying for financial aid, and paying ALL, not some/part/none, but ALL of it back.
We legal citizens don't get free college tuition unless we apply ourselves and work for a scholarship. We don't get stuff handed to us as we walk across the border, we pay for it throughout our lives.
Now we will have to pay for THEM through the rest of their lives, and it is wrong!
We aren't allowed to not pay our taxes, so that some poor schmuck that does pay his can pay his and mine now.

My new mantra may soon become :"No hablo englese!"

Keep in mind I have no prejudice towards ANYONE, unless they are taking something that belongs to me, or isn't theirs to begin with.
Then they become a problem that needs solving real fast!
Not a racial, religious or any other "type" of issue, just a personal issue between he/she and myself.

This is why I abhor the current welfare system: it rewards sloth and greed at every level. There is no accountability and no responsibility once a person learns how the "system" works.

Lets say you go to school for 4 years ( alot of kids go more if you want to make 75K plus)and take out loans of 160K then get a job paying 75k. 10% would be 7500 times 20 years is 125k. So now the originating bank not only does not get any interest but also looses 35k in the deal or is the government going to magically come up with the difference and the interest so the banks can continue to find school lending smart business practice??

You forgot that it would not just be interest being paid back on the loan over the years.I have two in college now and another going next year :uhuh:

You forgot that it would not just be interest being paid back on the loan over the years.I have two in college now and another going next year :uhuh:

I have one in her 3rd year and one going next year. I'm attempting to pay as they go ....so far so good. Next year will get twice as hard:)

Lets say you go to school for 4 years ( alot of kids go more if you want to make 75K plus)and take out loans of 160K then get a job paying 75k. 10% would be 7500 times 20 years is 125k.

A College Ed-u-ma-ca-shun might help w/ math skills......you need to re-do the math on that 1 :hihi:

How to amortize a loan is not something you can pick up on the way home listening to the radio.

I had a Polish friend back in the 70's that was rotating her family through the US, working just long enough to qualify for SS then they went home. What a deal...

just another reason this once great nation is going broke :( sad really



I heard on the radio the MA Legislature was debating the following: To approve payments at the level of in state tuition at state universities for illegal aliens but only if such illegal aliens were already enrolled in MA high schools for 3 years.


WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wall:

WHAT? is right. Who are these legislatures entertaining this fukacta idea? Vote those morons out of office next time also.

i don't want my government spending our tax dollars that way, send them back to where they came from to go to school there and let their own damn country pay for their education or come here legally.:smash:


well, we steal all of the world's resources and indiscriminately attack other countries because of our Imperialist tendencies..the least that we could do is educate the people that survive our scourge of the planet....are you against people having education???

:confused: I can't even comment on this one

A College Ed-u-ma-ca-shun might help w/ math skills......you need to re-do the math on that 1 :hihi:

Thanks Kevin,
Your right, I'm wrong.... your smart, I'm stupid.... Your an Eagle scout, I'm just a cub scout...:)

I guess that part of his speach was smoke and mirrors too

education is a civil right that everyone is entitled to...it should not be reserved for just the privledged few...we are all citizens of the world....all education universal and universal education for all...it takes a village to educate a village....I'm taking this as you ARE joking.

well, we steal all of the world's resources and indiscriminately attack other countries because of our Imperialist tendencies..the least that we could do is educate the people that survive our scourge of the planet....are you against people having education???This one too!:rotf2:

This one too!:rotf2:

:uhuh:

education is a civil right that everyone is entitled to...it should not be reserved for just the privledged few...we are all citizens of the world....all education universal and universal education for all...it takes a village to educate a village....

Wrong education cost money, our money , they should not be in our high schools unless they are here legally. What the hell is wrong with people, there are towns trying to get 2 1/2 over rides to save jobs. Most of those jobs are teachers, firefighters, and police, but we have the money to throw away by educating non citizens in our public school systems. The Dems don't get it, and if they keep it up this will be a republican state again..

The reality is they are here, and now the bathwater has some valuable babies in it. I think a young person who grew up here and whose only national identity is that of an American, who now wants to serve in the military or excelled academically, should be extended special consideration.

The reality is they are here, and now the bathwater has some valuable babies in it. I think a young person who grew up here and whose only national identity is that of an American, who now wants to serve in the military or excelled academically, should be extended special consideration.
I think it's an excellent opportunity to thin the herd. Think about it, when a 9 year old illegal girl shows up for school, do you think she's going to put up much of a fight without her parents?

These kids should be out of the country, or at least out on the streets so they don't bother my son at school.

-spence

How about a citizenship exchange? We'll keep the illegals who look like they will be promising tax-paying citizens one day, and we exchange their citizenship for that of some native born young person who is a drain on the system.

What about kids who speak Pashtun, Arabic, and Farsi dialects, who have been accepted to UMASS and want to pursue Middle-Eastern studies? Chuck them too?

What about kids who speak Pashtun, Arabic, and Farsi dialects, who have been accepted to UMASS and want to pursue Middle-Eastern studies? Chuck them too?

If they have the appropriate papers to visit this country: keep'um, if not CHUCK 'UM.

The NSA feels differently.

The NSA feels differently.

Ahh, so "they" are a weapon against terrorism.........like being in the military you don't have to be a citizen just put your life on the line.

Is the NSA paying their way? How many years of service are required after graduation?

Extending tuition rates at the state level instead of the out-of-state tuition level is not a free ride. Colleges make money on in-state students - just not as much as out-of-state students.

How about a citizenship exchange? We'll keep the illegals who look like they will be promising tax-paying citizens one day, and we exchange their citizenship for that of some native born young person who is a drain on the system.

You will be shocked to know that I agree with you on this Joe, not that it matters, your smarter then me too....

and by the way, thanks for pointing out how stupid and useless Obamas 20yr tuition idea was. You helped make my point. Another worthless program that would cost billions and accomplish nothing.

The Obama Way.

My plan is simple:

We need more doctors and math/science/engineering folks to fix this national funk we are in.

Allow college tuition for those that enroll in those fields to be fully tax deductible regardless of income level.


"Undocumented Americans" LOL! If they are undocumented how come we know exactly how many there are?!!
This is a simple problem and should not cost anyone anything. Simply enforce the laws we have now on employers hiring these guys plus...take away education and health care benie's. Further if you want them out faster, simply offer a reward of 50% of their unpaid taxes (that will come out of what the employer should have withheld and paid)...these guys will be flushed out in a week.

I work in an office on Annandale, VA, all along the road outside the building illegals with different skills, painter, plasterer, carpenter, landscaper congregate and people just stop and give them day work
Must be several hundred in this 3 mi stretch alone. I am sure they all have families or relatives in the area.

I work in an office on Annandale, VA, all along the road outside the building illegals with different skills, painter, plasterer, carpenter, landscaper congregate and people just stop and give them day work
Must be several hundred in this 3 mi stretch alone. I am sure they all have families or relatives in the area.

This happens in lots of areas throughout the country. In California,you can find them hanging out on the corner near Home Depots waiting for day work. Paid cash and no paper trail.

I work in an office on Annandale, VA, all along the road outside the building illegals with different skills, painter, plasterer, carpenter, landscaper congregate and people just stop and give them day work
Must be several hundred in this 3 mi stretch alone. I am sure they all have families or relatives in the area.

They probably do. They come here for work, know that working one day in America will make them more money than a full week of working in Mexico.

If people completely stopped employing them, they'd have no choice but to go back. They'd tell their family and friends and those people would stop coming here too.

The law is the law. They are here illegally and should get a swift kick in the ass on their way home. Legal exceptions are already made for politicians and celebrities - now we're going to make them for the illegal dregs of society?

The US-Mexico border should be fortified similar to the North/South Korean border. Landmines and open "shoot to kill" orders for anyone found in a restricted zone. Do it in the name of national security.

mean spirited bastards...if we drag these poor undocumented Americans out of the shadows and separate them from their family members and send them back to the hell that is their legal residence our economy will surely collapse....again....I mean more....and then who will clean your toilets, rake your leaves, wash your dishes and clothes ??? hmmmm...they pay taxes too ya know:uhuh: sales tax!

mean spirited bastards...if we drag these poor undocumented Americans out of the shadows and separate them from their family members and send them back to the hell that is their legal residence our economy will surely collapse....again....I mean more....and then who will clean your toilets, rake your leaves, wash your dishes and clothes ??? hmmmm...they pay taxes too ya know:uhuh: sales tax!

Yeah, for 50 bucks, 6 guys completely raked, vacc'ed and took away all my fall cleanup stuff

Yeah, for 50 bucks, 6 guys completely raked, vacc'ed and took away all my fall cleanup stuff

I can think of a couple landscaping companies in town that sometimes offer services that cheap.

.... separate them from their family members and send them back to the hell that is their legal residence ...

We are not separating anyone from their family members, we are sending them all back to join their family in whatever country they came from...

mean spirited bastards...if we drag these poor undocumented Americans out of the shadows and separate them from their family members and send them back to the hell that is their legal residence our economy will surely collapse....again....I mean more....and then who will clean your toilets, rake your leaves, wash your dishes and clothes ??? hmmmm...they pay taxes too ya know:uhuh: sales tax!
The economy won't collapse, but we'll have to wait a helluva long time for our meals to come out at Chili's, TGI Fridays and Texas Roadhouse.

The economy won't collapse, but we'll have to wait a helluva long time for our meals to come out at Chili's, TGI Fridays and Texas Roadhouse.

The CrabTrap in Somers Point NJ, has a deal that they bring in Romanian help and put them up. Nothin like a young Romanian accent to spice up your meal.

Used to happen on the Vineyard and in the Catskills all the time.

Let them come, but let them come legally.

Just make illegal immigration a state crime as well as federal, and empower local police forces to arrest them.
There was an illegal Guatemalan at the Texas Roadhouse down the street from me who got canned a couple years ago. Pissed off - he walked out, went down to the Stop & Shop kidnapped and raped some suburban Mom. When they asked the local cops about it, they said they had no power to enforce immigration laws. The place is still loaded with illegal Guatemalans.

The CrabTrap in Somers Point NJ, has a deal that they bring in Romanian help and put them up. Nothin like a young Romanian accent to spice up your meal.

Used to happen on the Vineyard and in the Catskills all the time.

Let them come, but let them come legally.

Don't give your credit card to a Eastern European waitresses. They copy your credit card numbers and email them back the same night, by the next morning you've got a bunch of unauthorized charges. Found that out the last time I went to eat on Block Island.