Its assault weapon college student hunting season again. I hope Congress continues to ignore this crisis.The NRA spent $20 million this election cycle paying off these immoral, money, grubbing ass clowns. They should get what they pay for. So a hundred kids die, what is that compared to all the luxury items money can buy. If I was them I wouldn't lift a finger either. I like driving a BMW. Screw those dead kids and their families and all the pussy, liberal whining.

Clearly the NRA and the gun is to blame.
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Exactly

If one of the kids was yours. What smart ass remarks you come up with then.
Better yet other than doing nothing, what would be a solution?

So you're one of them blame the gun guys. Blaming inanimate objects for acts of people. Makes sense, we must need more laws, criminals always follow laws. Maybe some more signs, gun free zones..yes those will work.
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Pass the popcorn
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Exactly

If one of the kids was yours. What smart ass remarks you come up with then.
Better yet other than doing nothing, what would be a solution?

In Chicago and DC, very few people own guns, yet gun violence (measured per citizen) is out of sight. In the Dakotas, almost everyone owns a gun, and there is almost no gun violence.

Conclusion: some gun legislation might help. But we also need to figure out how to get people in DC and Chicago to behave more like the people in the Dakotas, who don't hurt one another despite owning guns. We need to make it easier to commit the mentally ill. And we need to have a conversation about the violence our kids get bombarded with on TV and in the movies. But the liberals are beholden to Hollywood just like the Republicans are beholden to the NRA. Plenty of blame here.

For Obama to immediately go on a tirade about guns without discussing the other factors, is repugnant.

So you're one of them blame the gun guys. Blaming inanimate objects for acts of people. Makes sense, we must need more laws, criminals always follow laws. Maybe some more signs, gun free zones..yes those will work.
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Good points. And since the manufacture of guns will not and cannot be prohibited which is the only way to keep guns out of the hands of criminals or crazy people, perhaps we should more completely root out the other objects to blame for mass shootings. And since the ones we are mostly shocked and angry about occur in schools, maybe we could eliminate the schools since crowded ones seem to be magnets for mass shootings. That would certainly be more effective than more ineffective gun laws. Then, of course, we could prohibit movies, novels, stories, TV programs, internet blogs, etc. which glorify anti-social behavior which might influence sensitive minds to go berserk. The poor guy who committed this current atrocity was a victim not only of the existence and availability of guns, but all that other stuff--the schools just sitting there filled with easy targets, the movies, the news, the blogs--how could he not help but do what he did. There is this bit of "news":

UPDATE: CBS News reports that a blog purportedly written by the killer spoke longingly of the fame given to mass shooters:


Posts on an online blog that appears to belong to Mercer reference multiple shootings, including one in Virginia in August that left a television news reporter and cameraman dead. The last upload on the blog was Wednesday. when a documentary about the Newtown shooting was posted.

In one post on the blog about Vester Flanagan, the man who killed the reporter and cameraman in Virginia, Mercer apparently wrote, “I have noticed that so many people like [Flanagan] are alone and unknown, yet when they spill a little blood, the whole world knows who they are. A man who was known by no one, is now known by everyone. His face splashed across every screen, his name across the lips of every person on the planet, all in the course of one day. Seems like the more people you kill, the more you’re in the limelight.”

And it appears that he did not use a dreaded "assault" gun, whatever that is, but a more regular one--which apparently assaulted very well.

Its assault weapon college student hunting season again. I hope Congress continues to ignore this crisis.The NRA spent $20 million this election cycle paying off these immoral, money, grubbing ass clowns. They should get what they pay for. So a hundred kids die, what is that compared to all the luxury items money can buy. If I was them I wouldn't lift a finger either. I like driving a BMW. Screw those dead kids and their families and all the pussy, liberal whining.

People kill people...The number one cause of motor vehicle death is cell phone use...it's illegal to text and drive so based off your argument we should make cell phones completely illegal and outlaw them, that way nobody could ever use them which would eliminate the use of cell phones and texting while driving and thus the cell phone would no longer be responsible for people dying...
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In Chicago and DC, very few people own guns, yet gun violence (measured per citizen) is out of sight. In the Dakotas, almost everyone owns a gun, and there is almost no gun violence.

Conclusion: some gun legislation might help. But we also need to figure out how to get people in DC and Chicago to behave more like the people in the Dakotas, who don't hurt one another despite owning guns. We need to make it easier to commit the mentally ill. And we need to have a conversation about the violence our kids get bombarded with on TV and in the movies. But the liberals are beholden to Hollywood just like the Republicans are beholden to the NRA. Plenty of blame here.

For Obama to immediately go on a tirade about guns without discussing the other factors, is repugnant.

Aside from making a ridiculous comparison with an inner city vs rural comparison, your thoughts are 100% the same as Bernie Sander's statement that he made today about the shooting. :rotfl:
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the kid announced he was gonna do it
on social media

yet no one contacted authorities

that is the problem

Aside from making a ridiculous comparison with an inner city vs rural comparison, your thoughts are 100% the same as Bernie Sander's statement that he made today about the shooting. :rotfl:
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Nebe, please tell me why it was ridiculous? Why is it that in some places, people can own guns and never think of hurting anybody, but in other places, a higher % of citizens want to kill others? Are you saying that living in the city makes one automatically more prone to homicidal behavior? If you moved to Chicago, you wouldn't be a murderer. If people in Chicago had the same values as the people in the Dakotas, crime would go down. And values are a choice, they aren't predetermined.

Maybe Sanders got one right.

It's rediculous because the way of life is about 100% different in Chicago vs the Dakotas. Poverty levels, drug use, school systems, gangs and yes I will say it... The ratio of whites to minoraties.
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The only gun control that will stop shootings will be to eliminate every single firearm. As long as they exist, they will end up in the wrong hands.

What we need is to go back to 1976 when we decided to mainstream anyone with mental health issues and started down the road to making mental healthcare difficult to obtain.

It's rediculous because the way of life is about 100% different in Chicago vs the Dakotas. Poverty levels, drug use, school systems, gangs and yes I will say it... The ratio of whites to minoraties.
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Bingo!! So in other words, it's not the presence, or lack, of guns that matters, it's the "way of life" embraced by the citizens of an area, that ultimately determines levels of violence. I think that's what you are saying, and I agree!!

Therefore, if we want to reduce the violence, the way to do it, is to encourage people to adopt a way of life that's more similar to what people do in the Dakotas (work, family, church, love). But liberals, instead, tend to mock the way of life in the Dakotas, and instead of telling blacks in Chicago that they need to change, they pat them on the head, say "there, there", and give them a welfare check. The Obamas tell the citizens of Chicago how swell Beyoncé and Jay-Z are, which legitimizes that "way of life".

Damn Blacks.

So the racist blames JayZ...
Was the shooter black?
Is Oregon inner city?

The poor folks in Charlston were actually in church as Jim instructed and even that did not prevent a tragedy. Shocking

This is more a mental illness than it is a gun problem. People like Ted K don't need guns to make an impact.
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So the racist blames JayZ...
Was the shooter black?
Is Oregon inner city?

The poor folks in Charlston were actually in church as Jim instructed and even that did not prevent a tragedy. Shocking

This is more a mental illness than it is a gun problem. People like Ted K don't need guns to make an impact.
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Dangles, this shooter wasn't black, you got me.

Last weekend for the second weekend in a row, there were 50+ shootings in Chicago (what color do you suppose most of the shooters were?), where very few people own guns. There were likely none in the Dakotas, where huge numbers of people own guns.

So instead of mocking people who live in the Dakotas as bitter folks who cling to guns and religion because they are deranged, maybe our horse's ass president might instead suggest that the peoplke in the Dakotas are on to something, and maybe we should emulate their views towards their neighbors, instead of making fun of them.

These mass-shootings are predominantly carried out by whites., They also are a tiny speck of the gun deaths in our country, the vast majority is garden variety violence, the disproportionate majority of which is perpetrated by blacks. Does that make me a racist because I can see when one number is larger than another number?

It's not about race, so much as it's about culture. But in this country, blacks and hispanics are more likely to embrace the gangster rapper culture than whites are. I'm sorry if that fact spits in the face of your beliefs, but it's still a fact.

As you said, this particular case, is more about mental illness than guns. But if you look at the totality of gun violence in this country, it's pretty clear where the problem lies, and with whom. We need to figure out the "why". And it's not Sarah Palin's fault.

The poor folks in Charlston were actually in church as Jim instructed and even that did not prevent a tragedy. Shocking

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You're implying that going to Church is therefore a bad idea. Yeah, that makes sense. Ho wmany people get killed on the highways every single day? Are cars therefore a bad idea?

Dangles, here is my racism at work. See the attached chart. In DC, 3.6% of the population owns guns, and there are 16.5 gun deaths per 100k residents. In South Dakota, 56.6% of the residents own guns, yet there are only 1.0 gun deaths per 100k residents. Personal behavior is a choice, we have free will (ignoring these rare shootings by the deranged, I'm talking baout the other 95% of gun violence, which is gang related, drug related, etc). Why do people in the Dakotas freely choose to leave each other alone, while people in Chicago and DC freely choose to shoot each other? The answer is the culture that the citizens in those places choose to embrace.

I don't believe Obama helps things, when he makes fun of people who live in the Dakotas, and makes kissy faces at Jay Z and Beyonce.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States_by_state

where was your president last week when 14 people were killed in chicago?.....chicago has one of strictest gun laws in the country but yet has the most gun violence in the country....we need strict punishment for illegal gun carries that commit gun crimes.....democratic liberals keep targeting the legal armed citizens with their gun laws......and your president keeps comparing australia with the u.s. .......aussie land only has a population of about 23-24 million people......other countries such as mexico has a much larger gun problem.....germany, france and united kingdom have strict gun laws but gun violence still prevails....united kingdom had to allow their bobbies to carry weapons because of gun violence.

where was your president last week when 14 people were killed in chicago?.....chicago has one of strictest gun laws in the country but yet has the most gun violence in the country....we need strict punishment for illegal gun carries that commit gun crimes.....democratic liberals keep targeting the legal armed citizens with their gun laws......and your president keeps comparing australia with the u.s. .......aussie land only has a population of about 23-24 million people......other countries such as mexico has a much larger gun problem.....germany, france and united kingdom have strict gun laws but gun violence still prevails....united kingdom had to allow their bobbies to carry weapons because of gun violence.

Right, because Australia is comprable. They have as many poor blacks as we do, and they share an open border with Mexico, right??
Absurd to compare.

It's time to be honest (Nebe was admirably brave). There is a culture embraced by a large segment of the black population in this country, and it's not what you see on "The Cosby Show". Those blacks that do embrace "The Cosby Show" culture., are called sellouts and Uncle Toms by liberals, just ask Clarence Thomas. Whites who embrace that culture are called bitter folks who cling to guns and religion, and that's from our President's mouth!!

I love how Jim always knows what is best for Blacks.

if there was ever a song that was meant for Jim, here it is!!! I love Tod Snyder.
http://youtu.be/uUVzhale5R8
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I love how Jim always knows what is best for Blacks.

What I don't love, is how liberals (including Obama) somehow feel that what's best for them, is precisely what they've been spoon-fed for the last 40 years, despite overwhelming evidence that it's been a disaster.

he makes some valid points in his lyrics
but isn't endowed with a good singing voice
unfortunately.....

It is quite interesting how Obama is focused on these mass shootings and says virtually nothing about the violence in the inner cities among people of color.

An otherwise law abiding citizen is going to be able to get a gun under most "common sense gun laws". What is someone going to be denied a gun because he said something to someone at some point? That's all we have on most of these pyshcopaths before they do these things!! It's absolutely a mental health issue

When Blacks embrace Cosby (who has always been a hero to conservatives), Jim will be complaining that they are raping women.

When Blacks embrace Cosby (who has always been a hero to conservatives), Jim will be complaining that they are raping women.

No, you are thinking of the Democrats in the Senate, who did exactly that (falsely accused a black man of rape), and for exactly that reason (because he was conservative), to Clarence Thomas.

Boy did you walk right into that one.

What I don't love, is how liberals (including Obama) somehow feel that what's best for them, is precisely what they've been spoon-fed for the last 40 years, despite overwhelming evidence that it's been a disaster.

And I love how someone starts a conversation about gun violence and you try switching it to a thread about Blacks and Obama.

Infatuation?

No, you are thinking of the Democrats in the Senate, who did exactly that (falsely accused a black man of rape), and for exactly that reason (because he was conservative), to Clarence Thomas.

Boy did you walk right into that one.

No, he has been a hero to the right for many years. Held up as what a good Black should be.

DId they accuse Clarence Thomas of Rape? Can you pls. post a link to that story.

Anita Hill was vilified by the right for testifying (reluctantly) against Thomas. Every once and a while there is a conservative Black and the cons. hold him up and say "see there are conservative Blacks.

Keep telling us what Blacks need to do.

And I love how someone starts a conversation about gun violence and you try switching it to a thread about Blacks and Obama.

Infatuation?

Obama inserted himself into this with his idiotic remarks last night, about how we are all numb to this. I'm not numb to this, he sure as hell doesn't speak for me or many of us. He went on and on about how those who think the answer isn't just gun control, are either stupid or don't care about the victims. Screw him and the Bolshevik horse he rode in on. We need to solve this problem, innocent people are dying. As I said in my first post here, the conservatives need to talk about some gun laws, and the libs need to be willing to talk about mental health, violence in movies, and saying out loud that too many Americans are making stupid choices and embracing stupid values, and stop making fun of those who are living the way we should all try to live (the bitter clingers, what a great comment that was, right?).

It's absolutely a mental health issue

In the case of this shooting (and Newtown, etc) you are spot on. In a free society, especially post 09/11, there is always a trade-off between liberty and security, no one knows the best place to draw the line. All we know us, wherever we collectively choose to draw the line, there will eventually be blood shed just on one side, and we need to discuss whether or not we need to move the line.

God Bless the victims. I heard a young army ver got shot 7 times by trying to stop the gyu, and he's alive, and that the vet's son turned 6 yesterday. Some birthday present, Dad needs to learn to walk again.

The real culprit is the media. Want to get famous??? Shoot a bunch of people. Your name will be known across the world. The media glorifies these killings by reporting on them.
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How about the families of the murderers? i would guess (just a guess) that most people this disturbed, have to be exhibiting some signs of their condition. The shooter in Arizona, I believe, had a family that was asking the authorities to treat their son, but no help was available until after he did what he did.

Sure. There's many issues at play here.

FYI, I have a hunch that the shooter in this case was a Muslim with a very Muslim sounding name. The powers that be are not releasing the name because it would create a giant chit storm. Again. Just a hunch...
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Everyone has to place blame on something..blame the gun,obama,cell phones etc..Now I'm only 43 and don't know much about anything, but when did these "mental health" issues become so prevalent in society? In the 60's when school halls and basements were used as shooting ranges were there mental health issues then? When a kid/adult used to act up how was it dealt with then? Was it an old fashioned ass kicking or a "suck it up " mentality?

Seems to me the last 15-20 years everything has become some kind of syndrome..parents are overmedicating kids because they "cant pay attention" , teachers are recommending kids for therapy because they are "disruptive", I call that being a kid. Today everybody wants instant gratification and to take the easy way out because they dont know any other way.
At what point to we look at what society has become? Sure anyone can play the race card because its an easy way out. Politicians suck? Who voted them in ? It can go on and on..blaming the gun in these situations is the equivalent of blaming Verizon for cell phone related deaths and Jack Daniels for every DUI related death. But it is the people that are the problem most of them should look in the mirror to see whose fault anything is.

Sure. There's many issues at play here.

FYI, I have a hunch that the shooter in this case was a Muslim with a very Muslim sounding name. The powers that be are not releasing the name because it would create a giant chit storm. Again. Just a hunch...
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Check around you'll see he was involved in certain Muslim items...but you'll never hear that from anyone official. You'll be distracted away from that. So I wonder if it was the gun that asked the poor victims their religion before they were murdered? But we all know thats not possible because the gun was too focused on killing to discriminate by religious preference.

This is what's kind of crazy - the major issues with gun violence in this country have to do with these mass shooting perpetrated by loonies and inner city gang-related violence.

All other "gun violence" is literally a one in a million occurrence.
So why then, should the law-abiding gun owners of this country have to to answer to these two instances that have nothing at all do with them?

Check around you'll see he was involved in certain Muslim items...but you'll never hear that from anyone official. You'll be distracted away from that. So I wonder if it was the gun that asked the poor victims their religion before they were murdered? But we all know thats not possible because the gun was too focused on killing to discriminate by religious preference.
I'm sure if you subscribe to the right wing hate speech, yes, you'll find he was involved in certain Muslim items.

I'm sure if you subscribe to the right wing hate speech, yes, you'll find he was involved in certain Muslim items.
Well looking at the history of him posting muslim/islamic extremeist pictures and maybe the fact he asked people their religion prior to shooting them..I know, never use facts when talking to a left person. I have no use for left leaning liberal people or politicians.

Well looking at the history of him posting muslim/islamic extremeist pictures and maybe the fact he asked people their religion prior to shooting them..

You might be able to explain him asking about religion by, um, the several remarks made online about hating organized religion.

Haven't heard about posting any pictures. Did Trump tell you that?

"Might be able to"..you see it your way and I'll see it mine. Trump? He sucks but not nearly as bad as the current pos residing at 1600.

The real culprit is the media. Want to get famous??? Shoot a bunch of people. Your name will be known across the world. The media glorifies these killings by reporting on them.
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Yes correct, the killer confirmed it
but the President chose to politicize this just continues to prove he is unfit for the office America elected him for.

want to stop killings like this? stop publicity about them

Other killings can be addressed by treating mental health issues before they act.

Don't worry. He will be gone soon and you can focus your hate on the white Jew from Brooklyn :rotfl:
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http://www.theonion.com/article/man-cant-believe-obama-would-use-tragedy-push-anti-51455?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_campaign=LinkPreview:1:Default
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You might be able to explain him asking about religion by, um, the several remarks made online about hating organized religion.

Haven't heard about posting any pictures. Did Trump tell you that?

It's likely too early to associate his actions with Islamic radicals. But you have to admit, that Obama bends over backwards to avoid labeling certain situations as acts of Islamic jihad, when that's clearly what they are. In the Ft Hood shooting, the shooter (a Muslim) self-identified ads a soldier of Allah, and yelled Allahu Akhbar as hee was killing Americans. That makes it an act of Islamic jihad, not "workplace violence".

It is a surprise that Jim has decided to risk his family by staying in CT rather than embracing the culture of SD. Hmmmm.

Not so shocking is his not understanding the fact that folks in SC got shot up in church by a white guy. Yes Jim, black people go to church. Oh,and no it did not save them.
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Keep it civil or I will lock it.

Keep it civil or I will lock it.
:behead:

Jim Jeffies I wish I was this glib He is on the mark.


https://youtu.be/7OZIOE6aMBk

It is a surprise that Jim has decided to risk his family by staying in CT rather than embracing the culture of SD. Hmmmm.

Not so shocking is his not understanding the fact that folks in SC got shot up in church by a white guy. Yes Jim, black people go to church. Oh,and no it did not save them.
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I'll try to respond with civility as the boss asked.

Dangles, first, if I (or anyone) says something like "poor blacks commit crime", I'm not saying that every single poor black person is a criminal, nor am I saying that 100% of crime is committed by such people. Are you familiar with what a "generalization" is?

"It is a surprise that Jim has decided to risk his family by staying in CT rather than embracing the culture of SD. Hmmmm."

OK, so because I don't live in SD, that means I can't say that the crime is low there, even when every statistic shows that? Why is that? You might notice I don't live in Chicago or DC, either. CT, except for the cities controlled by liberals (New Haven, Bridgeport, Hartford) is very safe. In those big cities, the libs have worked their usual magic, and they are uninhabitable and crime-ridden.

"Not so shocking is his not understanding the fact that folks in SC got shot up in church by a white guy"

I understand it perfectly. Why is it pertinent here? Did I ever imply that nothing bad ever happens in church?

"Yes Jim, black people go to church. Oh,and no it did not save them."

Again, I would be very interested for you to tell us, what I have ever said, which implies I believe that nothing bad happens to people who go to Church. Bad things happen to those who go to Church. And going to Church certainly is no guarantee that one will never commit a terrible crime.

I don't live in SD. But guess what? I am aware, and I can say with perfect validity, that violent crime is pretty close to zero there (despite the fact that guns are everywhere), and most people who live there, will tell you that religion has a lot to do with that. You are denying that, because it's not convenient to your current beliefs. That's your issue, not mine.

.when did I deny that Jim?

Despite the fact that there were over 2700 violent crimes committed last year that number sits within your agenda? Is that close enough to call zero ?
They must be the ones who are not religious.It is 1.3% black if that makes a difference in your eyes.
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.when did I deny that Jim?

Despite the fact that there were over 2700 violent crimes committed last year that number sits within your agenda? Is that close enough to call zero ?
They must be the ones who are not religious.It is 1.3% black if that makes a difference in your eyes.
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Not sure what numbers you are talking about or referring to. What's 1.3% black exactly? Are you saying that South Dakota doesn't have a lot less violent crime rates, than Chicago or DC?

Also, by what logic do my claims of low crime in SD not have validity, since I don't live there? That was strange, to say the least.

This paragraph still resonates with me...

Getting rid of all handguns is the best answer...


The cell phones in the pockets of the dead students were still ringing when we were told that it was wrong to ask why. As the police cleared the bodies from the Virginia Tech engineering building, the cell phones rang, in the eccentric varieties of ring tones, as parents kept trying to see if their children were OK. To imagine the feelings of the police as they carried the bodies and heard the ringing is heartrending; to imagine the feelings of the parents who were calling — dread, desperate hope for a sudden answer and the bliss of reassurance, dawning grief — is unbearable. But the parents, and the rest of us, were told that it was not the right moment to ask how the shooting had happened — specifically, why an obviously disturbed student, with a history of mental illness, was able to buy guns whose essential purpose is to kill people — and why it happens over and over again in America. At a press conference, Virginia's governor, Tim Kaine, said, "People who want to ... make it their political hobby horse to ride, I've got nothing but loathing for them. ... At this point, what it's about is comforting family members ... and helping this community heal. And so to those who want to try to make this into some little crusade, I say take that elsewhere."

Many things have been written and will continue to be written on America's gun ownership rate (the highest in the world ), its gun violence (the worst in the developed world ), and the political and social forces that keep this from changing .

What Gopnik captured was not just the horrific costs of gun violence or the frustrating politics of gun control, but the special sort of anguish that we inflict on ourselves in the United States by forbidding any meaningful conversation around the tragedies that unfold over and over again.

There is an unwritten American rule that the aftermath of a mass shooting is the wrong time to talk about gun control. As Gopnik wrote, this logic would be recognized as absurd if applied to anything else: "The aftermath of a terrorist attack is the wrong time to talk about security, the aftermath of a death from lung cancer is the wrong time to talk about smoking and the tobacco industry, and the aftermath of a car crash is the wrong time to talk about seat belts."

Gopnik ended his piece with a call to ban handguns — a political nonstarter in 2007 and, in 2015, something that would be unimaginable to even discuss. That fact itself, that his concluding line has become more politically unthinkable rather than less, seems to drive home his point: that mass shootings will continue in America, and that Americans will refuse to seriously debate whether our culture of gun ownership is worth the costs.

"There is no reason that any private citizen in a democracy should own a handgun," he wrote. "At some point, that simple truth will register. Until it does, phones will ring for dead children, and parents will be told not to ask why."

ABSURB!!......come on jim, your president is comparing a nation of over 300 million to a population to a population of 24 million, thats absurb......that is like comparing DETROIT population over 700 thou to my city of 28 thou.....detroit has about 500 gun crimes a year we have none....so what is your point?

Jim. Can you pls post a.link to an article where the Dems. accused Thomas of rape. I don't recall that.
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This paragraph still resonates with me...

Getting rid of all handguns is the best answer...


The cell phones in the pockets of the dead students were still ringing when we were told that it was wrong to ask why. As the police cleared the bodies from the Virginia Tech engineering building, the cell phones rang, in the eccentric varieties of ring tones, as parents kept trying to see if their children were OK. To imagine the feelings of the police as they carried the bodies and heard the ringing is heartrending; to imagine the feelings of the parents who were calling — dread, desperate hope for a sudden answer and the bliss of reassurance, dawning grief — is unbearable. But the parents, and the rest of us, were told that it was not the right moment to ask how the shooting had happened — specifically, why an obviously disturbed student, with a history of mental illness, was able to buy guns whose essential purpose is to kill people — and why it happens over and over again in America. At a press conference, Virginia's governor, Tim Kaine, said, "People who want to ... make it their political hobby horse to ride, I've got nothing but loathing for them. ... At this point, what it's about is comforting family members ... and helping this community heal. And so to those who want to try to make this into some little crusade, I say take that elsewhere."

Many things have been written and will continue to be written on America's gun ownership rate (the highest in the world ), its gun violence (the worst in the developed world ), and the political and social forces that keep this from changing .

What Gopnik captured was not just the horrific costs of gun violence or the frustrating politics of gun control, but the special sort of anguish that we inflict on ourselves in the United States by forbidding any meaningful conversation around the tragedies that unfold over and over again.

There is an unwritten American rule that the aftermath of a mass shooting is the wrong time to talk about gun control. As Gopnik wrote, this logic would be recognized as absurd if applied to anything else: "The aftermath of a terrorist attack is the wrong time to talk about security, the aftermath of a death from lung cancer is the wrong time to talk about smoking and the tobacco industry, and the aftermath of a car crash is the wrong time to talk about seat belts."

Gopnik ended his piece with a call to ban handguns — a political nonstarter in 2007 and, in 2015, something that would be unimaginable to even discuss. That fact itself, that his concluding line has become more politically unthinkable rather than less, seems to drive home his point: that mass shootings will continue in America, and that Americans will refuse to seriously debate whether our culture of gun ownership is worth the costs.

"There is no reason that any private citizen in a democracy should own a handgun," he wrote. "At some point, that simple truth will register. Until it does, phones will ring for dead children, and parents will be told not to ask why."

And when radical Muslims hijacked airplanes and killed 3500 there was never talk of banning airplanes, every day people die from cancer related to cigarettes and yet you can still buy cigarettes. Tell me again how this agenda driven selective banning of firearms makes sense ? Oh sure England banned them ! And violence is still an issue, there's even a web site that tells people to " be a good victim" , knife related murders now rule.. Again ,you can continue your fantasy of blaming inanimate objects and the scum of society will still thrive.
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strange times...illegal and prescribed drugs fuel "creativity" and detach from reality..media fuels lack of regard for human life .....no love...no purpose...no predicting what one will do...

Oregon recently tightened it's gun laws and the campus was designated a gun free campus...how can this happen?

ban pointy knives while we're at it....keep the drugs and violence flowing

Don’t be a victim

If you feel you are in immediate danger from knife crime there are a number of steps you can take to protect yourself:
• Move away from the situation towards a public place (shop, house, restaurant etc.) as quickly as possible.
• Make as much noise as you can.
• Instead of carrying a knife, carry a personal alarm.
• Don’t fight back.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-28/knife-murders-spiking-after-gun-ban-uk-urges-save-life-surrender-your-knife

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425021/australias-1996-gun-confiscation-didnt-work-and-it-wouldnt-work-america-mark-antonio

strange times...illegal and prescribed drugs fuel "creativity" and detach from reality..media fuels lack of regard for human life .....no love...no purpose...no predicting what one will do...

Oregon recently tightened it's gun laws and the campus was designated a gun free campus...how can this happen?

ban pointy knives while we're at it....keep the drugs and violence flowing

Don’t be a victim

If you feel you are in immediate danger from knife crime there are a number of steps you can take to protect yourself:
• Move away from the situation towards a public place (shop, house, restaurant etc.) as quickly as possible.
• Make as much noise as you can.
• Instead of carrying a knife, carry a personal alarm.
• Don’t fight back.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-06-28/knife-murders-spiking-after-gun-ban-uk-urges-save-life-surrender-your-knife

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/425021/australias-1996-gun-confiscation-didnt-work-and-it-wouldnt-work-america-mark-antonio

In my world it would be something like -
If faced with the reality of a knife crime, take 3 fast steps backwards, alert the offender that you are armed. Pump 4 rounds into his legs.

I think everyone should have guns and I'm a hippie art fag. 😂
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I think everyone should have guns and I'm a hippie art fag. 😂

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that was precious...glad I didn't have a mouth full of coffee

Oregon recently tightened it's gun laws and the campus was designated a gun free campus...how can this happen?
You could still CCW on campus. I saw an interview with a vet packing who said he didn't intervene because he didn't want the cops to confuse him with the killer.

Guns are discouraged but it's not illegal. This is just more "criminals are attracted to gun free zones" nonsense from the NRA.

You could still CCW on campus. I saw an interview with a vet packing who said he didn't intervene because he didn't want the cops to confuse him with the killer.

So what's the point of packing if you don't use the package? Not sure, but I would guess the vet would have intervened if the killer was pointing his gun at him. Too bad, if he had the opportunity, he didn't intervene before others were being killed.

Guns are discouraged but it's not illegal. This is just more "criminals are attracted to gun free zones" nonsense from the NRA.

Why is that nonsense? Wouldn't a gun free zone be more attractive to a mass murderer than one where most people are "packing"? And even if CCW's were legal, wouldn't a gathering of minors who probably weren't armed be more attractive to the killer than a group of adults who may well have been?

You could still CCW on campus. I saw an interview with a vet packing who said he didn't intervene because he didn't want the cops to confuse him with the killer.

Guns are discouraged but it's not illegal. This is just more "criminals are attracted to gun free zones" nonsense from the NRA.

Translation. I was too busy hiding behind a desk.
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Why is that nonsense? Wouldn't a gun free zone be more attractive to a mass murderer than one where most people are "packing"? And even if CCW's were legal, wouldn't a gathering of minors who probably weren't armed be more attractive to the killer than a group of adults who may well have been?
I think you just answered your own question.

You could still CCW on campus. I saw an interview with a vet packing who said he didn't intervene because he didn't want the cops to confuse him with the killer.

Guns are discouraged but it's not illegal. This is just more "criminals are attracted to gun free zones" nonsense from the NRA.

"Under state law, people in Oregon could carry concealed firearms on college campuses like the one where a gunman killed nine people and wounded several others on Thursday. However, Umpqua Community College has been established as a gun-free zone thanks to a loophole in state law that has made every third-level institution in the state almost entirely gun-free. Here’s how that works."

http://www.vocativ.com/news/236421/the-complications-of-oregons-guns-on-campus-laws/

the point is that ne're-do-well's don't give a crap about "zones"

Guns are discouraged but it's not illegal. This is just more "criminals are attracted to gun free zones" nonsense from the NRA.

This certainly explains why so many mass shootings occur at gun ranges where many people have firearms. More left stupidity..
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strange times...illegal and prescribed drugs fuel "creativity" and detach from reality..media fuels lack of regard for human life .....no love...no purpose...no predicting what one will do...

Hard to figure out, right? You can legalize pot in places but firearms should be confiscated?? :huh:

You will pry this bong from my cold-dead-dorito-cheesed hands.

You could still CCW on campus. I saw an interview with a vet packing who said he didn't intervene because he didn't want the cops to confuse him with the killer.

Guns are discouraged but it's not illegal. This is just more "criminals are attracted to gun free zones" nonsense from the NRA.

Yes and no, not all "Gun Free Zones" are created equal and some GFZs trump the CCW permit.

I think you just answered your own question.

Apples / Oranges. THIS guy chose the school because it was personal, not be cause he was trying for the maxim shock factor (like an elementary)

Jim. Can you pls post a.link to an article where the Dems. accused Thomas of rape. I don't recall that.
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You got me, it was sexual harassment they accused him of.
I answered your question. Any chance you can show me the same courtesy? You said that the black shooting victims were in a SC church, therefore being I church didn't save them. When did I ever say that nothing bad can happen to anyone when they are in church? I await your answer.

I don't live in SD. But guess what? I am aware, and I can say with perfect validity, that violent crime is pretty close to zero there (despite the fact that guns are everywhere), and most people who live there, will tell you that religion has a lot to do with that. You are denying that, because it's not convenient to your current beliefs. That's your issue, not mine.
Please tell me when I denied that Jim. Why are you saying I denied this?
Also this statistic you made up about violent crime is close to zero...How in the world does over 2700 violent crimes equal close to zero in your mind?
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Jim, I didn't say that. It was seadangles. I'm way better looking.
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Jim!! You know what absolutely kills me??? Look at this link for South Dakota.

Take note of the hate crime index.
What does this say about your Christian utopia called the Dakotas???

http://www.usa.com/south-dakota-state-crime-and-crime-rate.htm
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Apples / Oranges. THIS guy chose the school because it was personal, not be cause he was trying for the maxim shock factor (like an elementary)
That's exactly the point. Nearly all mass shootings have a personal connection underneath the motive. The argument that gun free zones are a lure is a myth concocted by those who want you to believe more guns is always the solution...

The argument that gun free zones are a lure is a myth concocted by those who want you to believe more guns is always the solution...

no one argued that gun free zones are "a lure"...your myth is a myth...they sure make an easy target however....the argument is that gun free zones don't seem to stop psychos with guns...and that psychos with guns can probably anticipate less resistance in a gun free zone