Something about coming under sniper attack, despite video that makes that laughably false. If she claims that was not a lie, that necessarily means she still believes it to be true. Which necessarily means that she is deranged and delusional.

Spence?

Pathological liars just dig them selves deeper. They will never admit that they lied.
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I'm impressed that a reporter, other than one at Foxnews, would have the professionalism to ask her that. She musy have wanted to kill that guy.

Didn’t she apologize for saying that?

What do you think about independent Polifact rating ALL of the Repub. Candidates as being less truthful than ALL of the Dem. candidates?

I'm impressed that a reporter, other than one at Foxnews, would have the professionalism to ask her that..

Good one - got my laugh for the day.:hf1:

Didn’t she apologize for saying that?

What do you think about independent Polifact rating ALL of the Repub. Candidates as being less truthful than ALL of the Dem. candidates?

Independent and Politifact should not be used in the same sentence.

Didn’t she apologize for saying that?

What do you think about independent Polifact rating ALL of the Repub. Candidates as being less truthful than ALL of the Dem. candidates?

"Didn’t she apologize for saying that?"

I don't know. What I do know, is that she just went on TV this week, looked a reporter in th eye, and claimed that she has never lied.

"What do you think about independent Polifact rating ALL of the Repub. Candidates as being less truthful than ALL of the Dem. candidates"

Based on what? How do you measure that, exactly? If Rubio lies (or is wrong) about the exact date that his parents fled Cuba for the US, is that as pertinent as Hilary claiming that the GOP framed Bill to make it looked like he cheated on her with Monica, or that she came under sniper attack? And what's with her barking like a dog?

For the record, I can say out loud that I am not all that thrilled or impressed with much of the GOP field. Trump is a vulgar jerk. Cruz gets caught in a lie every day now, attacking the other Republicans. Rubio is showing (as Obama has repeatedly done) what happens when you support an inexperienced neophyte just because you like what's on the surface (more important to be cool and hip than to have depth).

I can't answer your question any more directly, can I? Now, what do you think of Hilary going on TV this week, and claiming that she has never told a lie? Obviously, she isn't all that sorry about the whoppers she has told (I was broke when I left the White House, blah blah blah).

Good one - got my laugh for the day.:hf1:

Again, brush it off, what not one syllable as to why my premise (all TV stations minus one are in the bag for the Democrats) is wrong.

After one debate, a moderator (the tough and objective Rachael Maddow) HUGGED the Democratic candidates. She hugged them. Read that again, and tell me I'm wrong. How is that any different than letting Sean Hannity moderate a debate?

Meanwhile, the GOP frontrunner, is complaining about the way he gets treated by Fox, ask Trump if he thinks they are too easy on him, or if he felt like a hug was inevitable after the Fox debate. Are there right-leaning hists at Fox? Of course. Is the bias as glaring or consistent as it is at CNN or MSNBC? Not in primetime. O-Reilly and Kelly are routinely tough on conservatives, and routinely tell liberals that they have a good point. Hannity is the right-wing equivalent of Rachael Maddow. That's why he's on at 10:00.

Independent and Politifact should not be used in the same sentence.

Then what independent org. do you want to use?

Again, brush it off, what not one syllable as to why my premise (all TV stations minus one are in the bag for the Democrats) is wrong.

After one debate, a moderator (the tough and objective Rachael Maddow) HUGGED the Democratic candidates. She hugged them. Read that again, and tell me I'm wrong. How is that any different than letting Sean Hannity moderate a debate?

Most newspapers and tv stations are based in the large cities and the large cities are liberal. But to claim that only Fox news is professional is a freakin joke.

I don't care if you are thrilled or not with the Repub. candidates. Just search for Polifact and read up on the lies. Did Carson really get accepted to WP? Did Trump really see people jumping from the WTC?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html?src=me&_r=0

Wayne Simmons - how many times was he on Fox news? A regular paragon of excellence.

Most newspapers and tv stations are based in the large cities and the large cities are liberal. But to claim that only Fox news is professional is a freakin joke.

I don't care if you are thrilled or not with the Repub. candidates. Just search for Polifact and read up on the lies. Did Carson really get accepted to WP? Did Trump really see people jumping from the WTC?

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/13/opinion/campaign-stops/all-politicians-lie-some-lie-more-than-others.html?src=me&_r=0

"Most newspapers and tv stations are based in the large cities and the large cities are liberal"

Those things are true. That doesn't mean it's an excuse for crappy journalism.

"But to claim that only Fox news is professional is a freakin joke. "

I think i said that I was surprised that anyone not at Fox, would ask her such a tough question. And I can support my suspicion thusly...of all the interviews she has done, how many times has she been asked about that sniper attack? How many times has she been asked why anyone in their right mind would believe that Bill didn't cheat on her, but was framed by the GOP? How many times has she been asked about all the crap that her/Bill pillaged on their way out of the White House? How many times has she been challenged on her idiotic notion that being anti-abortion is waging "war on women"? How many times has she been asked, why is it remotely democratic that Bernie clobbered her in NH, yet fell further behind because of the superdelegates she controls?

Fox (at least some at Fox, certainly not all) are willing to challenge Republicans by asking those types of hard-hitting questions.

"Did Carson really get accepted to WP?"

oh good lord. People objected to his use of the word "scholarship", which it turns out was on posters at the time. We have seen the posters with the word "scholarship". Has politifact confirmed that he was not offered admission by anyone? How would they go about confirming that, have they checked with everyone Carson has ever spoken to?

"Did Trump really see people jumping from the WTC?"

Here's the difference between us. I can say that because of the things he says, and the way he says them, that Trump isn't nearly qualified for the job. If he wins the nomination, I won't vote for him. I can say that, even though he's a Republican. You and Spence would never be able to say that about Clinton. She barked like a dog for Christs's sake, what was that? Is that any less pathetic, than what Trump does? Barking like a dog, and getting hugs from debate moderators? That's serious campaigning for the job of POTUS?

What does your beloved Politifact say about Hilary's claim that my side is waging "war on women"? She says that every single day, and unless it counts all those as lies (and I bet it doesn't!), let's just say I question the results of their "math".

I have to go now, I have to go slap my wife around, pipe-bomb the local planned parenthood, make a large donation to the Klan, clean my assault rifle, cheat on my tax return, poison some water in Michigan, fondle some altar boys, and watch Hee-Haw re-runs. According to Obama and Hilary, that's all we do.

Meanwhile, all the young college grads in CT are fleeing to liberal utopias like Florida, North Carolina, Texas, and Georgia.

Pathological liars just dig them selves deeper. They will never admit that they lied.
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She not only lies but makes deceptive things up as she goes along.
Video, under sniper fire, etc. etc. etc.

She not only lies but makes deceptive things up as she goes along.
Video, under sniper fire, etc. etc. etc.

And yet the independent fact checkers all say all the Rep. Candidates are all more dishonest than all the Dem. candidates.
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And yet the independent fact checkers all say all the Rep. Candidates are all more dishonest than all the Dem. candidates.
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Paul, what were their sources, and what was the biggest Rep. whopper ?

Paul, what were their sources, and what was the biggest Rep. whopper ?

He keeps repeating "old news". Maybe he has some kind of tourettes.

Paul, what were their sources, and what was the biggest Rep. whopper ?

I am not sure. Do you know of any independent fact checker? Fishpart said they weren't independent so I'm hoping he lists someone he considers independent.

He keeps repeating "old news". Maybe he has some kind of tourettes.

It might be a mild case of Tourettes. I would think constantly posting that Progressives hate the Constitution would be considered a severe case.

When people say Hillary lies all the time they always site 3 examples. Sniper fire, Benghazi and that bill never cheated on her. Mum curious what all the time means and would like a list of more lies.
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When people say Hillary lies all the time they always site 3 examples. Sniper fire, Benghazi and that bill never cheated on her. Mum curious what all the time means and would like a list of more lies.
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I never stored classified emails on an unsecure email server....

.....and I've always been a Yankees fan can be added to it
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I never stored classified emails on an unsecure email server....
That's not a lie.

That's not a lie.

1700 lies , so far . Probably another 50 or so with this Friday's coming dump
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I never stored classified emails on an unsecure email server....

.....and I've always been a Yankees fan can be added to it
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Don't forget she was named after sir Edmund Hillary Lmao . A sign of a pathological liar ... they lie about stuff that can be easily checked. They can't help themselves .
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1700 lies , so far . Probably another 50 or so with this Friday's coming dump
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I love it, so someone emails her a public newspaper article, it's classified years later and yet she's lying about having classified information.

That's a nice standard you're holding her to.

I love it, so someone emails her a public newspaper article, it's classified years later and yet she's lying about having classified information.

That's a nice standard you're holding her to.

You seem to know an awful lot about these classified emails . I wonder who else knows ?
You do realize this would not be a problem if she just followed the rules. Apparently she's too stupid
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When people say Hillary lies all the time they always site 3 examples. Sniper fire, Benghazi and that bill never cheated on her. Mum curious what all the time means and would like a list of more lies.
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How about the lie that republicans are attacking women's health? She says that in every stump speech, I have heard her say that on 50 different occasions. Every single time, it's a lie.

She says that the GOP ony cares about the rich and the white. How is that? Oh, and they were broke when they left trhe White House

The ones you cited are the big ones, ones that ought to spell the end of any political career.

Her and Bill also stole everything out of the White Hous ethat wasn't nailed down, on their way out. They had to write a fat check to the National Park Service for the price of their loot. Neat trick for 2 people who were broke.

She's also undermining the entire concept of democracy, to take the nomination from your candidate via super-delegates..

That's not a lie.

Still waiting patiently for your defense of the sniper attack claim.

Whitewater
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Still waiting patiently for your defense of the sniper attack claim.
Use the search button.

Whitewater
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Multiple investigations didn't indicate she wasn't honest. Didn't Ken Starr pretty much exonerate the Clintons on everything but the blue dress?

One of the best whoppers was when she was running for NY Senate and wore a Yankee Cap saying she was always a Yankee fan as a little kid, even though she grew up in Illinois and claimed she was never a Chicago fan.

Video lie to parents of Benghazi heroes as they removed the slain heroes from the plane.

Chelsea jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11.

You sure her last name isn't Mitty?
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Use the search button.

Spence, you have a site on Google now?? :huh:

Chelsea jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11.

You sure her last name isn't Mitty?
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Even Chelsea said that wasn't true.

Whitewater
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Travelgate, the FBI files, and on and on and on... but it's all a vast right wing conspiracy. Not just any old right-wing conspiracy, either. But vast.

And in 2008, when she lost Iowa, she broke down and cried. Yep, that's who I want debating Putin and the Iranians.

Chelsea jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11.

You sure her last name isn't Mitty?
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I've actually never heard of that one, and had to look it up.

Remember, Hilary says that hedge fund manager compensation is immoral...unless Chelsea wants to marry one, which she did, in which case it's OK.

She's the Bill Cosby of Politics.....

She's the Bill Cosby of Politics.....


Not exactly. Cosby will never work in entertainment again. Hilary may well get elected to the highest political office there is. Meaning, people in Hollywood have better ethics than the country as a whole. Not a ringing endorsement of us, is it?

She's the Bill Cosby of Politics.....

Cosby should just claim he follows the Koran
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Cosby should just claim he follows the Koran
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He should take a page from Hilary's book, and claim that all the women are just looking for $$ and publicity. It works for her.

Not exactly. Cosby will never work in entertainment again. Hilary may well get elected to the highest political office there is. Meaning, people in Hollywood have better ethics than the country as a whole. Not a ringing endorsement of us, is it?

My point was more of......How many times do you have to be accused of something before the fault no longer lies with the accusers but the person in the mirror.

Its like the dude that's been divorced 5 times....but it always the ex-wives that were the problem....couldn't have been him.

Chelsea jogging around the World Trade Center on 9/11.
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You should research this.

Nope, don't want to....

Perfectly happy with my assessment of her as despicable.....
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My point was more of......How many times do you have to be accused of something before the fault no longer lies with the accusers but the person in the mirror.

Its like the dude that's been divorced 5 times....but it always the ex-wives that were the problem....couldn't have been him.

Oh, I know, and it was a very valid point!

Nothing is ever her fault, ever.

Nope, don't want to....

Perfectly happy with my assessment of her as despicable.....
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But if you're wrong on this what else are you wrong on?

Even Chelsea said that wasn't true.
When was that???

But if you're wrong on this what else are you wrong on?



From the September 18, 2001, edition of Today:

KATIE COURIC (co-host): Since being elected to office, New York's junior senator, Hillary Rodham Clinton, managed to keep a relatively low profile until terror struck in lower Manhattan. At that moment, she was not just a senator, but a concerned parent. She recently sat down with "Dateline NBC's" Jane Pauley to talk about that morning.

PAULEY: Tuesday morning, Senator Hillary Clinton's first thought when the second plane hit was terrorists. Her next thought was Chelsea, who was not only in New York, but staying downtown.

CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.

PAULEY: She was close enough to hear the rumble.

CLINTON: She did hear it.

PAULEY: And to see the smoke in person, not on television.

CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later


Chelsea Clinton wrote in Talk magazine:

"When the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, I was 12 blocks away, (and) nothing has been the same since," Clinton wrote in the December/January issue of Talk magazine, on sale Friday in New York.

[...]

Clinton had been staying with her high school friend Nicole Davison in her apartment near Union Square for a few days in September before she went to England to study at Oxford. After they had coffee together, Davison went to work and Clinton returned to the apartment.

Davison called Clinton with the news of the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. Clinton turned on the television and watched the second plane crash into the second WTC tower, and tried to reach her mother in Washington, but after speaking to her assistant, the phone line went dead.

[...]

Panicked, Chelsea Clinton left the apartment and found herself running toward downtown "in the direction everyone else was coming from," in search of a public telephone. She was desperate to call her mother and her father, who was on a speaking tour in Australia.

Chelsea Clinton was downtown in line at a pay phone when she heard the rumble of the second tower collapsing. Later she found Davison and another friend, and the three spent the day walking uptown. Chelsea Clinton wrote that she had an "irrational medley of thoughts" running through her head.


What am I missing?
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From the September 18, 2001, edition of Today:

KATIE COURIC (co-host): Since being elected to office, New York's junior senator, Hillary Rodham Clinton, managed to keep a relatively low profile until terror struck in lower Manhattan. At that moment, she was not just a senator, but a concerned parent. She recently sat down with "Dateline NBC's" Jane Pauley to talk about that morning.

PAULEY: Tuesday morning, Senator Hillary Clinton's first thought when the second plane hit was terrorists. Her next thought was Chelsea, who was not only in New York, but staying downtown.

CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.

PAULEY: She was close enough to hear the rumble.

CLINTON: She did hear it.

PAULEY: And to see the smoke in person, not on television.

CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later


Chelsea Clinton wrote in Talk magazine:

"When the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, I was 12 blocks away, (and) nothing has been the same since," Clinton wrote in the December/January issue of Talk magazine, on sale Friday in New York.

[...]

Clinton had been staying with her high school friend Nicole Davison in her apartment near Union Square for a few days in September before she went to England to study at Oxford. After they had coffee together, Davison went to work and Clinton returned to the apartment.

Davison called Clinton with the news of the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. Clinton turned on the television and watched the second plane crash into the second WTC tower, and tried to reach her mother in Washington, but after speaking to her assistant, the phone line went dead.

[...]

Panicked, Chelsea Clinton left the apartment and found herself running toward downtown "in the direction everyone else was coming from," in search of a public telephone. She was desperate to call her mother and her father, who was on a speaking tour in Australia.

Chelsea Clinton was downtown in line at a pay phone when she heard the rumble of the second tower collapsing. Later she found Davison and another friend, and the three spent the day walking uptown. Chelsea Clinton wrote that she had an "irrational medley of thoughts" running through her head.


What am I missing?
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You didn't point out where she admitted lying to Bill.
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It might be a mild case of Tourettes. I would think constantly posting that Progressives hate the Constitution would be considered a severe case.

I liked it better when you pretended you didn't read my posts.

I don't say the same words over and over. I present different arguments. Say it in different ways. Present new or different evidence. That's not an indication of Tourettes. An obsession, maybe. But an important one.

And I did once say, in the same, light-hearted way as I said about you, that I had Constitution Tourettes. I didn't even qualify it as a "mild case." So, again, you're repeating "old news." (By the way, the "old news" bit is a light hearted jab at Spence, not you.)

When was that???

Spence, TDF answed that quite nicely. :hihi:

What did you miss TDF, nothin, absolutely nothin. :)

From the September 18, 2001, edition of Today:

KATIE COURIC (co-host): Since being elected to office, New York's junior senator, Hillary Rodham Clinton, managed to keep a relatively low profile until terror struck in lower Manhattan. At that moment, she was not just a senator, but a concerned parent. She recently sat down with "Dateline NBC's" Jane Pauley to talk about that morning.

PAULEY: Tuesday morning, Senator Hillary Clinton's first thought when the second plane hit was terrorists. Her next thought was Chelsea, who was not only in New York, but staying downtown.

CLINTON: She'd gone, what she thought would be just a great jog. She was going to go down to Battery Park, she was going to go around the towers. She went to get a cup of coffee and -- and that's when the plane hit.

PAULEY: She was close enough to hear the rumble.

CLINTON: She did hear it.

PAULEY: And to see the smoke in person, not on television.

CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later


Chelsea Clinton wrote in Talk magazine:

"When the World Trade Center collapsed on Sept. 11, I was 12 blocks away, (and) nothing has been the same since," Clinton wrote in the December/January issue of Talk magazine, on sale Friday in New York.

[...]

Clinton had been staying with her high school friend Nicole Davison in her apartment near Union Square for a few days in September before she went to England to study at Oxford. After they had coffee together, Davison went to work and Clinton returned to the apartment.

Davison called Clinton with the news of the first plane that crashed into the World Trade Center. Clinton turned on the television and watched the second plane crash into the second WTC tower, and tried to reach her mother in Washington, but after speaking to her assistant, the phone line went dead.

[...]

Panicked, Chelsea Clinton left the apartment and found herself running toward downtown "in the direction everyone else was coming from," in search of a public telephone. She was desperate to call her mother and her father, who was on a speaking tour in Australia.

Chelsea Clinton was downtown in line at a pay phone when she heard the rumble of the second tower collapsing. Later she found Davison and another friend, and the three spent the day walking uptown. Chelsea Clinton wrote that she had an "irrational medley of thoughts" running through her head.


What am I missing?
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Seriously?

No Seriously?

Reeeeally, Seriously?

So let's get your own story straight.

1) Chelsea corroborates she was living and in the area during the attack

2) They both said she went out for coffee just before the attack

3) Hillary never said she was actually running around the WTC but rather said "She was going to go"

4) Chelsea is well known for being an avid runner...

Both of these injuries come from running—it turns out she’s a New Yorker to the bone, literally. “I think I have run on every street in Manhattan,” she says. “Running is my prophylactic stress relief for the day. Or the segue so that I can go home and be with my husband in a kind of clearheaded way.” She runs early in the morning, sometimes at night, always alone. “Running is the one part of my life in which I fundamentally feel like the observer instead of the observed.”

http://www.vogue.com/865319/waiting-in-the-wings-an-exclusive-interview-with-chelsea-clinton/

And you think this qualifies as a lie? Sweet Jesus, so now they have to make sure their stories are *exactly* identical otherwise it's a national scandal. Well Chelsea, if you ever talk about it mention the running right because I did on the Today show... :sleeps:

Dude, you're smarter than this.

I liked it better when you pretended you didn't read my posts.



I honestly do ignore the majority of your posts. Too long for me. Same as I ignore the majority of the other very long posts. I usually start ignoring and stop reading threads that go past 2 pages or so or that continue into the weekend. Prob. 1 person on here that I try to ignore all of their posts - I consider them too snarky, smart but snarky.

So let's get your own story straight.

Its not my Story....Its Hillary's "Story"....and she's sticking to it


And you think this qualifies as a lie? Sweet Jesus, so now they have to make sure their stories are *exactly* identical otherwise it's a national scandal. Well Chelsea, if you ever talk about it mention the running right because I did on the Today show... :sleeps:

Never said it was a national scandal....someone asked to bring up other examples of her lying.....she lied

Yes or No....was Chelsea jogging around NY city when the planes hit? Hillary said she was....Chelsea said she wasn't. That's a lie....this was a week after 9/11....so by then Hillary should have known the truth about her daughter's whereabouts....but that certainly wouldn't have garnered as much sympathy if the public knew she was actually just at home watching Oprah hand out a bunch of blenders.

Dude, you're smarter than this.

Smart enough to know I'm not wasting my vote on her.....I cannot stand that woman.

How about this one...

Hillary Clinton: I was 'instrumental' in Northern Ireland peace process


Hillary Clinton, accused last week by a Nobel Peace Prize winner of exaggerating her claims of having "helped" bring peace to Northern Ireland, has raised the stakes by stating she was "instrumental" in doing so.

The former First Lady laughed and dismissed criticisms she had inflated her foreign policy experience in Northern Ireland and Bosnia as "nitpicking" on Thursday.

When asked by National Public Radio whether she had been in the "centre of the room" during Northern Ireland peace talks, she said: "What I was was part of a team and that team included obviously the principal negotiators under the direct authority of my husband.

"I wasn't sitting at the negotiating table but the role I played was instrumental. I guess it was in December when Ian Paisley [Democratic Unionist Party leader] and Martin McGuinness [Sinn Fein leader] came to the United States.

"I think they met with the leadership of Congress, with the President and with me and they thanked me publicly for the role I had played."

But Mrs Clinton's version of events has been challenged by Peter King, an Ulster Unionist Party negotiator at the Good Friday talks in 1998, who said: "Hillary Clinton was totally invisible at the actual negotiations.

"As far as I am concerned, Mrs Clinton was as relevant to peace in Northern Ireland as Tony Blair's wife or the ex-wife of Bertie Ahern [the Irish prime minister]."

Lord Trimble of Lisnagarvey, who shared the Nobel Peace Prize with John Hume of the nationalist Social Democratic and Labour Party in 1998, told The Daily Telegraph last week that Mrs Clinton's claims were a "wee bit silly".

This month, Terry McAuliffe, Mrs Clinton's campaign chairman, told CNN: "We would not have peace today had it not for Hillary's hard work in Northern Ireland."

Both Unionist and Nationalist negotiators told this newspaper that while Mrs Clinton's work with women's groups was positive her overall role was peripheral and she played no part in the gruelling negotiations that took years.

Mr Paisley boycotted the talks that led to the Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland, though he has since become the province's First Minister.

Greg Craig, a foreign policy adviser to Barack Obama who served in President Bill Clinton's administration at the time of the talks, said the "inflated" claim called into question Mrs Clinton's judgement.

"Did the Irish have anything to do with this?...I'm not aware she solved any of the many, many thorny problems that had to be resolved, whether it was disarmament or whatever."

He cited accounts of the Northern Ireland talks by George Mitchell, who chaired them, and Madeleine Albright, then US Secretary of State, that hardly featured Mrs Clinton.

"If you look at the books that deal with the American side she doesn't figure in any significant way, certainly not instrumental."

That's a good one.

She also said she would release all of her paid speech transcripts that she gave to Wall Street banks... Lol.
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Yes or No....was Chelsea jogging around NY city when the planes hit? Hillary said she was....Chelsea said she wasn't. That's a lie....this was a week after 9/11....so by then Hillary should have known the truth about her daughter's whereabouts....but that certainly wouldn't have garnered as much sympathy if the public knew she was actually just at home watching Oprah hand out a bunch of blenders.
That's really insulting to those in NYC. You're starting to lose your cool.

Perhaps you should just redefine what a lie means for Hillary, redefine the standard. For instance if I tell someone I'm going to the bank and then get gas, yet what I *really* do is get gas and then go to the bank...I've pulled a Hillary and should endure national scorn, a light stoning and a few lawsuits.

How about this one...

Hillary Clinton: I was 'instrumental' in Northern Ireland peace process

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/george-mitchell-on-hillarys-experience/

George Mitchell was there and disagrees.

Oops, another Hillary.

So the paper I quoted....which was a non-partisan UK Newspaper, which quotes people from the Ireland/UK part of the negotiations, is wrong....

I need to believe your source that quotes another democrat....got it.

Didn't know I needed to play by a custom set of rules to determine If I think a person is a liar.

Still think she's a liar.....though

That's really insulting to those in NYC. You're starting to lose your cool.


Yankees Suck!! Whoops....Insulted them again....

Maybe you should start a movement if my comments actually insulted the citizens of NYC...... Maybe you can call it #LiarsLivesMatter

That's a good one.

She also said she would release all of her paid speech transcripts that she gave to Wall Street banks... Lol.
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That's not true, she said she would if everyone else did. Fair.

Spence, it would be a lot easier to take you seriously on this topic, if you would chime in on the sniper thing - just a couple of sentences. Why is that too much to ask? There have been times on this forum where you have had me against the ropes, and I happily admitted it. I promise you, your head won't explode if you admit she flat-out lied.

Then, she tells CNN that she has never lied.

I don't think she even knows when she's lying and when she's not. She is in George Costanza territory.

So the paper I quoted....which was a non-partisan UK Newspaper, which quotes people from the Ireland/UK part of the negotiations, is wrong....

I need to believe your source that quotes another democrat....got it.
No, it shows there are multiple perspectives. If Clinton thought she was an important part of the process, and others thought so as well, that doesn't mean she's lying...

Had she made the claim and perhaps not been there at all, that would be a lie.

No, it shows there are multiple perspectives. If Clinton thought she was an important part of the process, and others thought so as well, that doesn't mean she's lying...

Had she made the claim and perhaps not been there at all, that would be a lie.

So in the case of the " sniper attack", she was there and she thought she was under fire , even though she was receiving flowers from a little girl, it doesn't mean she was lying .
It just means she is insane or maybe has the early stages of Alzheimer's . Either way she is not fit to be President.
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From the September 18, 2001, edition of Today:


CLINTON: No. Of course, Bill was in Australia. And, you know, he was so upset by what he was seeing on television that I didn't want to tell him that I couldn't find her until I found her. I told him that, you know, everything's fine, don't worry. But I couldn't do it with the level of assurance that I needed until I could find her a couple of hours later



Hey Spence is this Hillary lying to Bill?
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No, it shows there are multiple perspectives. If Clinton thought she was an important part of the process, and others thought so as well, that doesn't mean she's lying...

Had she made the claim and perhaps not been there at all, that would be a lie.

According to George Mitchell....she was basically a Trophy Wife (in the words of Frank Barone "What Contest in Hell did I win)

So if Hillary believes it, it must be true.

She said she was Instrumental.....she was not.

She hung out with the other wives....probably chatting the night away about shoes and their husbands infidelities :hee:

So in the case of the " sniper attack", she was there and she thought she was under fire , even though she was receiving flowers from a little girl, it doesn't mean she was lying .
It just means she is insane or maybe has the early stages of Alzheimer's . Either way she is not fit to be President.
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Thank you. Either she is lying, or she's crazy. There isn't a third option, unless she never claimed to have come under sniper attack, but rather, the vast right wing conspiracy framed her, to make it look like she said there was a sniper. The same geniuses who framed Bill to make it look like he was cheating on her, also set her up with the sniper thing.

If the GOP nominee doesn't play ads 24/7 that show her making that claim, then showing the video of what actually happened, and then showing her telling CNN this weekend that she has never lied...then we don't deserve to win. They should use that to club her like a baby seal.

So in the case of the " sniper attack", she was there and she thought she was under fire , even though she was receiving flowers from a little girl, it doesn't mean she was lying .
It just means she is insane or maybe has the early stages of Alzheimer's . Either way she is not fit to be President.
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Bingo, Buck. Anybody with the least bit of common sense would agree.

According to George Mitchell....she was basically a Trophy Wife (in the words of Frank Barone "What Contest in Hell did I win)

Great, now making sexist references. You're on a roll....

So in the case of the " sniper attack", she was there and she thought she was under fire , even though she was receiving flowers from a little girl, it doesn't mean she was lying .
It just means she is insane or maybe has the early stages of Alzheimer's . Either way she is not fit to be President.
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No it means she was warned before landing of the danger of sniper fire and told they'd likely have to run in and just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. You just assume it's a lie because you think everything -- including items which are clearly not lies -- are still lies. That may say more about you than it does her.

I do hope you hold all candidates to the same impossible standard to which you hold Clinton.

Come on spence..

http://youtu.be/rZHO1vo762c
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Great, now making sexist references. You're on a roll....

You going through your liberal "Label of the Day" calendar again?
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No it means she was warned before landing of the danger of sniper fire and told they'd likely have to run in and just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. You just assume it's a lie because you think everything -- including items which are clearly not lies -- are still lies. That may say more about you than it does her.

I do hope you hold all candidates to the same impossible standard to which you hold Clinton.

"recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception"

That's actually sad to me. I mean that.

Do you sincerely believe, that she confused a peaceful reception where she shook hands along the ropeline, all smiles...with getting shot at and having to dive into a military vehicle?

No it means she was warned before landing of the danger of sniper fire and told they'd likely have to run in and just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. You just assume it's a lie because you think everything -- including items which are clearly not lies -- are still lies. That may say more about you than it does her.

I do hope you hold all candidates to the same impossible standard to which you hold Clinton.

She's a story teller . That's what we used to call children when they were making up stories. You really have an extremely low standard for honesty .
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She's a story teller . That's what we used to call children when they were making up stories. You really have an extremely low standard for honesty .
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I think he has more of an art for trolling :hihi:
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just recalled the situation poorly. Doesn't mean it was intended as deception. .

You are far too sharp to believe that. Far too sharp.

She's a story teller . That's what we used to call children when they were making up stories. You really have an extremely low standard for honesty .
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All good politicians are story tellers. How much stuff do you think Reagan completely fabricated? Why do you think Trump is so entertaining?

Again, you're holding Clinton to a completely different standard.

All good politicians are story tellers. How much stuff do you think Reagan completely fabricated? Why do you think Trump is so entertaining?

Again, you're holding Clinton to a completely different standard.

Clinton denies ever story telling. EVER ....See the difference .
She is the one holding herself to a higher standard then Trump , not me .
That's why I hate politicians and I do not put them on a pedestal like you . Proof is in the pudding
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Clinton denies ever story telling.
No, she denies lying. There's a difference between misspeaking or a little sensationalism and an outright deception.

People say things that aren't true all the time, doesn't mean it's a lie.

No, she denies lying. There's a difference between misspeaking or a little sensationalism and an outright deception.

People say things that aren't true all the time, doesn't mean it's a lie.

Repeatedly miss speaking about the same matter is lying . Sorry, that's just the way it is .
Sensationalism ??? That one made me chuckle
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No, she denies lying. There's a difference between misspeaking or a little sensationalism and an outright deception.

People say things that aren't true all the time, doesn't mean it's a lie.

It's a character flaw . One I don't like seeing in friends , one I won't tolerate from my children , one we have in the current President ( except he outright lies , often ) and one I don't want in the next one .
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Repeatedly miss speaking about the same matter is lying . Sorry, that's just the way it is .
Sensationalism ??? That one made me chuckle
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I do a lot of speaking before groups and sensationalize and dramatize things all the time. It makes the message come through stronger and captures people's attention. Doesn't mean I'm dishonest.

It's a character flaw . One I don't like seeing in friends , one I won't tolerate from my children , one we have in the current President ( except he outright lies , often ) and one I don't want in the next one .
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Unless you're pulling for Sanders then you'll be badly disappointed. The GOP field can't seem to get any facts straight and most are running campaigns fueled by dishonesty and dirty tricks.

You're honestly going to tell me you think Trump doesn't have this "character flaw?"

It's a character flaw . One I don't like seeing in friends , one I won't tolerate from my children , one we have in the current President ( except he outright lies , often ) and one I don't want in the next one .
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So I assume then that Trump and Cruz are not getting your support then?

Unless you're pulling for Sanders then you'll be badly disappointed. The GOP field can't seem to get any facts straight and most are running campaigns fueled by dishonesty and dirty tricks.

You're honestly going to tell me you think Trump doesn't have this "character flaw?"

I think if it comes down to Trump and Hillary , which it looks like it will , you will see a lot of sensationalism . You're also going to see Hillary called out like never before . I almost feel bad for her going against some one with F U money and a large portion of the American people on his side .
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So I assume then that Trump and Cruz are not getting your support then?

I haven't kept up on thier lies . Fill me in .
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People say things that aren't true all the time, doesn't mean it's a lie.

If it's not true Spence, I guess you could water it down by calling it a falsehood, but it's still not true and a lie.
How many outriggers do you have out. :huh: :)

My guess is that Spence the parent would not tolerate the sensationalism that he does with his candidate. Only because he wants to be a good Dad and would not tolerate such character flaws.
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I think if it comes down to Trump and Hillary , which it looks like it will , you will see a lot of sensationalism . You're also going to see Hillary called out like never before . I almost feel bad for her going against some one with F U money and a large portion of the American people on his side .
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Love it, a 25 year long industry dedicated to tearing the Clinton's down yet we've not seen anything yet. Right :nopain:

I think under-appreciating her resilience and skills would be a big mistake. Trump can't respond to Hillary giving an insightful response on foreign policy, economics or domestic issues with a wedgie or wet willie during a debate.

Trump is all hat and no cattle and while many Americans are mad at the government his childish antics are really getting old.

My guess is that Spence the parent would not tolerate the sensationalism that he does with his candidate. Only because he wants to be a good Dad and would not tolerate such character flaws.
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You would think he would see the hypocrisy , wouldn't you ?
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[QUOTE=spence;1094333]Love it, a 25 year long industry dedicated to tearing the Clinton's down yet we've not seen anything yet. Right :nopain:

I think under-appreciating her resilience and skills would be a big mistake. Trump can't respond to Hillary giving an insightful response on foreign policy, economics or domestic issues with a wedgie or wet willie during a debate.

Trump is all hat and no cattle and while many Americans are mad at the government his childish antics are really getting old.[/QUOTE

You are probably right , she is without sin . Such an honorable lady . A saint if you will .
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You would think he would see the hypocrisy , wouldn't you ?
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White lies,fables, fabrication: all are nice words for being untruthful. As Jeff says he does the same at work so to expect him to understand the difference could be a stretch. But unless his last name is Aesop then the difference could be a huge loss in credibility. Hyperbole is used to exaggerate a point, what was Hillarys point?
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Love it, a 25 year long industry dedicated to tearing the Clinton's down yet we've not seen anything yet. Right :nopain:

I think under-appreciating her resilience and skills would be a big mistake. Trump can't respond to Hillary giving an insightful response on foreign policy, economics or domestic issues with a wedgie or wet willie during a debate.

Trump is all hat and no cattle and while many Americans are mad at the government his childish antics are really getting old.

I don't want to "tear her down", I just want her out of public service, I thiink her policies are counterproductive. The reason she's still around, is because (like the Kennedys), the Clintons are somehow able to get people like you to put aside any critical thought, and refuse to hold them accountable for anything they do.

"Trump is all hat and no cattle "

He's a billionaire. He's got some cattle somewhere. You want to see what "all hat and no cattle" looks like, look at the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

"under-appreciating her resilience and skills would be a big mistake. Trump can't respond to Hillary giving an insightful response on foreign policy"

The hell he can't! He sure as hell can say "look what Iraq looked like when you were sworn in as Secstate, and look at what it looks like now. And if you want to talk foreign policy, let's talk about that trip where you say you came under sniper attack."

What's her response to that? Is she going to blame Bush for the invasion, even though she staunchly supported it? Why not, you won't question her when she does it.

I have very little use for Trump. One thing he will do, is beat her up when she's slinging BS. For example, when she started patting herself on the back for being a feminist, Trump immediately (and correctly) claimed that no one who enables her husband's behavior, no one who attacks the character of her husband's victims, has any business calling herself a feminist. We need someone who isn't afraid to throw an elbow when she is begging for it. Neither McCain nor Romney would do it to Obama.

In the end, if it's Trump v Hilary, she will win at least 48 states. But he will call her out when she is spouting BS.

I haven't kept up on thier lies . Fill me in .
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Seriously?
Muslims cheering all over the place after 9/11; thousands and thousands... he saw it, remember?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431755/donald-trumps-huge-lies

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

For Cruz? Ask Ben Carson in Iowa, as Blue Cross in Texas, and a few others I can't recall from memory...

He's a billionaire. He's got some cattle somewhere. You want to see what "all hat and no cattle" looks like, look at the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

I can't imagine how a reasonably intelligent person who inherits tens of millions of dollars and has countless family political connections couldn't do very well for themselves. And then given that, how many of Trumps businesses have been total failures? Have you ever read about Trump University? How much has he sloughed off with the multiple bankruptcies? I hear he has nice golf courses, the one thing you could say he's excelled at is reality TV...lord.

So the family caught stealing from the White House is in a different demographic?
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So the family caught stealing from the White House is in a different demographic?
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Who stole from the White House?

I can't imagine how a reasonably intelligent person who inherits tens of millions of dollars and has countless family political connections couldn't do very well for themselves. And then given that, how many of Trumps businesses have been total failures? Have you ever read about Trump University? How much has he sloughed off with the multiple bankruptcies? I hear he has nice golf courses, the one thing you could say he's excelled at is reality TV...lord.

I didn't say he was a genius. he managed to gro wthat, and not screw it up too bad.

"how many of Trumps businesses have been total failures?"

More than zero. Is every one of those, his fault? Or sometimes, do macro-economic conditions, which cannot always be predicted, dictate things? Don't you work in business in some capacity? Using your logic, how many of Obama's policies have been total failures (stimulus keeping unemployment below 8%???)

"the one thing you could say he's excelled at is reality TV...lord"

he's a buffoon, no doubt. He also excels at real estate management. He's not batting 1.000, but you cannot say that he hasn't succeeded. It's not remotely enough to make him qualified to be POTUS. Neither is the amoral, compulsive liar who was a disaster as SecState.

So the family caught stealing from the White House is in a different demographic?
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Everything that wasn't nailed down, went in their moving van. Come on Dangles, she was "broke" at the time, they needed the loot!!

Spence will say that wasn't her fault either, she honestly thought she was entitled to the dinner china, art, carpets, copper wiring, light fixtures, ashtrays, and toilets, that they took with them.

Trump and Hilary are both jerks who will say anything to appease the voter base that they are currently whoring themselves out to.

He hasn't already demonstrated that he'd be a disaster in a high-level federal position. She has shown that. That's one difference.

Who stole from the White House?

The Clintons did, you know that, and your defense was that she honestly thougt she was entitled to pillage the White House on their way out of town. Somehow, despite being "broke" at the time, they wrote a huge check to the National Park Service to pay for the stuff they pillaged.

They sacked the White House like Cossacks on their way out of town. At least we no longer needed a penicillan dispensory in the Oval Office once he left. Or was it really a vast right-wing conspiracy, that rumor that he had a slight problem with fidelity. Certainly you deny that Hilary was lying when she said that...

Seriously?
Muslims cheering all over the place after 9/11; thousands and thousands... he saw it, remember?
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/431755/donald-trumps-huge-lies

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

For Cruz? Ask Ben Carson in Iowa, as Blue Cross in Texas, and a few others I can't recall from memory...

I remember 9/11 well , I was glued to the tv and I absolutely recall Muslim celebrations both in our country and other countries . I vividly recall the anger I felt . Don't tell me it didn't happen
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More than zero. Is every one of those, his fault? Or sometimes, do macro-economic conditions, which cannot always be predicted, dictate things? Don't you work in business in some capacity? Using your logic, how many of Obama's policies have been total failures (stimulus keeping unemployment below 8%???)
Perhaps he's just a con artist...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/opinion/inside-donald-trumps-university.html?_r=0

Trump Vodka bust, Trump airlines bust, Trump casinos 3 bankruptcies, Trump Mortgage bust, he's dissing our trade with China without noting that his clothing line was made there.

I've got to believe that he's flipped on about 3/4+ of any political positions he's taken in the last 20 years.

The only thing admirable about Trump is his manipulation of the people. It's fascinating and pretty scary.

I remember 9/11 well , I was glued to the tv and I absolutely recall Muslim celebrations both in our country and other countries . I vividly recall the anger I felt . Don't tell me it didn't happen
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It didn't happen.

Everything that wasn't nailed down, went in their moving van.

You lie more than Hillary. What does Jesus think about your lying?

You going through your liberal "Label of the Day" calendar again?
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No, do you understand what a Trophy Wife even is???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

No, do you understand what a Trophy Wife even is???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

Yes I do.....hence my Frank Barone comment....
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No, do you understand what a Trophy Wife even is???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melania_Trump

Absolute smoke show
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Perhaps he's just a con artist...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/27/opinion/inside-donald-trumps-university.html?_r=0

Trump Vodka bust, Trump airlines bust, Trump casinos 3 bankruptcies, Trump Mortgage bust, he's dissing our trade with China without noting that his clothing line was made there.

I've got to believe that he's flipped on about 3/4+ of any political positions he's taken in the last 20 years.

The only thing admirable about Trump is his manipulation of the people. It's fascinating and pretty scary.

Does he make money in the aggregate, or lose it? How many people work for him?

"I've got to believe that he's flipped on about 3/4+ of any political positions he's taken in the last 20 years."

Correct.

You lie more than Hillary. What does Jesus think about your lying?

I am as flawed as anyone. The difference is, unlike her, I admit it, I don't claim to be perfect on CNN when I know I'm not. But I don't lie more than her. How many times has she made reference to the phony war on women? A dishonest statement, clearly intended to deceive the sheep, in order to make them afraid of Republicans.

Last night in SC Hillary got to blame "Whitey" for all the blacks problems....just friggin awesome....

Got to throw out all the buzz words, Systematic racism and White Privilege.....real prize she is.

I figure since I got the sexist label you might as well throw out the racist label
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Good thread and the first Spence meltdown I can recall. Desperation elicits interesting reactions,too many balls in the air for Jeff to handle. He needs an assist from Monica!
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White lies,fables, fabrication: all are nice words for being untruthful. As Jeff says he does the same at work so to expect him to understand the difference could be a stretch. But unless his last name is Aesop then the difference could be a huge loss in credibility. Hyperbole is used to exaggerate a point, what was Hillarys point?
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Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety.

Nice manipulation of my words.

Everything that wasn't nailed down, went in their moving van. Come on Dangles, she was "broke" at the time, they needed the loot!!

Spence will say that wasn't her fault either, she honestly thought she was entitled to the dinner china, art, carpets, copper wiring, light fixtures, ashtrays, and toilets, that they took with them.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/statements/2015/oct/01/viral-image/viral-image-wrongly-accuses-clinton-stealing/

I am as flawed as anyone. The difference is, unlike her, I admit it, I don't claim to be perfect on CNN when I know I'm not. But I don't lie more than her. How many times has she made reference to the phony war on women? A dishonest statement, clearly intended to deceive the sheep, in order to make them afraid of Republicans.
And Clinton acknowledged and apologized for her misstatement.

"War on Women" is an expression Jim.

Last night in SC Hillary got to blame "Whitey" for all the blacks problems....just friggin awesome....

Got to throw out all the buzz words, Systematic racism and White Privilege.....real prize she is.

I figure since I got the sexist label you might as well throw out the racist label
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Did you actually read what she said?

Good thread and the first Spence meltdown I can recall. Desperation elicits interesting reactions,too many balls in the air for Jeff to handle. He needs an assist from Monica!
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Yes, what a meltdown...it's tragic really. I'm at a loss for what to do :cputin:

you're rolling out all the same old one-liners:spin:

you're rolling out all the same old one-liners:spin:

Talking points . He's a good follower
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Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety.

Nice manipulation of my words.

"Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety."

I'm not sure ow you conclude that's what her point was, because that's not remotely what she said. Brian Williams got suspended for telling a very similar lie. If that lie precludes you from reading the news off a teleprompter (which a monkey could do), one could make a compelling case that it similarly precludes you from having the moral compass to be POTUS.

Spence, you are bending over backwards to tell us why her questionable actions shoul dnot matter, and we shoud only focus on the good. With Trump, you are saying he's not a good businessman, because some of his many ventures have failed.

Do you really not appreciate the double-standard you apply to evaluating these two people.

They are both dishonest jerks. You, like most Americans, are willing to accept moral lapses from your candidate, as long as they agree with you on the issues that matter to you. I thought Bill Clinton was a scumbag, but a pretty good President.

Hillary's point was that her role at times required compromising her own safety.

Nice manipulation of my words.

Is this your interpretation Jeff? Because unless she is allergic to flowers she was not exactly in harms way.
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And Clinton acknowledged and apologized for her misstatement.

"War on Women" is an expression Jim.

"War on women" is an expression. So is "attacking women's health", she likes that one, too. Yes, they are expressions. They are also lies, intended to deceive the bleeting sheep.

"And Clinton acknowledged and apologized for her misstatement"

She did NOT acknowledge it, because she just told CNN last week, that she doesn't think she has ever lied to the public.

Even if she did apologize, that doesn't mean we forget. I believe Anthone Weiner apologized, does that mean you'd vote for him wihtout hesitation? They all apologize, always after they get caught.

Is this your interpretation Jeff? Because unless she is allergic to flowers she was not exactly in harms way.
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That was funny, but she is potentially in harm's way. On this visot in question, there were American soldiers in the woods, making sure there was no sniper. That's how it came out thayt she was lying. After she misspoke lied about being shot at, the commanding officer of the men who put themselves at risk to make sure she was safe, went on TV and stated that she was lying, that he was there, and that there was no sniper. She stuck to her misstatement lie, until the video came out.

Yes, what a meltdown...it's tragic really. I'm at a loss for what to do :cputin:

You are a good guy, and a smart guy, you have gotten the better of me more times than I care to admit On this topic, on this thread, you are imploding.

Is this your interpretation Jeff? Because unless she is allergic to flowers she was not exactly in harms way.
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Back when I was explaining this to Jim for the seventh time I did find reporting that the passengers were briefed on sniper activity in the area and how they would likely need to exit the aircraft.

You are a good guy, and a smart guy, you have gotten the better of me more times than I care to admit On this topic, on this thread, you are imploding.
I think you mean TDF, he's the one resorting to the sexist and racist remarks.

Back when I was explaining this to Jim for the seventh time I did find reporting that the passengers were briefed on sniper activity in the area and how they would likely need to exit the aircraft.

However,the reality is that she never did have to duck and run from this "potential" danger. She only had to make up this story for her own benefit. Sleep deprived,coffee deprived...yeah,that's the ticket. The only deprivation she truly suffers from is honesty. The video Nebe posted is uncomfortable to watch,especially when you take into consideration she is a candidate for the presidency.
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I think you mean TDF, he's the one resorting to the sexist and racist remarks.

What did TDF say that was racist, exactly?

Again, your incredible double-standard. He uses the phrase 'trophy wife', and you criticize him for being sexist (as if ANYONE would seriously describe her that way). Yet Hilary says that pro-lifers are attacking women's health,m and you brush that off as "just an expression". Hilary will always blame whitey, preferably if said whitey wworks on Wall Street and wears a Brooks Brothers suit. Never mind that Chelsea's husband is a hedge fund manager, THAT Hilary is OK with, for reasons as yet unexplained.

Obama says that everyone on my side are a bunch of racist, bitter clingers, and you have no problem with that. TDF says that Hilary was a trophy wife at a conference, and you make him out to be Archie Bunker.

You go ahead and defend that double standard, please.

hillary lies about under sniper fire....brian williams figures he could lie too, "shot down by enemy fire."....he did not get away with that and caused him to B suspended.....:)

Yet Hilary says that pro-lifers are attacking women's health,m and you brush that off as "just an expression".
They are.

Hilary will always blame whitey, preferably if said whitey wworks on Wall Street and wears a Brooks Brothers suit.
Did you see her comment talking about white privilege? She wasn't blaming whitey, she was just stating the obvious that blacks and whites are treated differently and we shouldn't ignore this.

However,the reality is that she never did have to duck and run from this "potential" danger. She only had to make up this story for her own benefit. Sleep deprived,coffee deprived...yeah,that's the ticket. The only deprivation she truly suffers from is honesty. The video Nebe posted is uncomfortable to watch,especially when you take into consideration she is a candidate for the presidency.
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Correct, at the time, Bill's explanation was that she was tired. No sane person believes that, but let's pretend that's true. Fine. If, when she's tired, she's unable to distinguish between fantasy and reality, that's a problem if you want to be POTUS. What if she imagines that Putin took a shot at her?

We traded Daniel Patrrick Moynihan for her. God Almighty, she shows up in NY with a Yankees cap on, and says "good news! I'm your new senator!"

Did you actually read what she said?

“Tackling and ending systemic racism requires contributions from all of us. White Americans, we need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers they face every day,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility rather than assume our experiences are everyone’s experiences.”

Did you see her comment talking about white privilege? She wasn't blaming whitey, she was just stating the obvious that blacks and whites are treated differently and we shouldn't ignore this.

Then who are these White Americans that NEED to do a better job.....and who is this "WE" that needs to recognize OUR privilege?

“Tackling and ending systemic racism requires contributions from all of us. White Americans, we need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers they face every day,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility rather than assume our experiences are everyone’s experiences.”
And that's wrong how?

They are.


Did you see her comment talking about white privilege? She wasn't blaming whitey, she was just stating the obvious that blacks and whites are treated differently and we shouldn't ignore this.

"They are"

No, they aren't. Because abortion has always been legal, when the "health" of the mother was in jeopardy. Roe V Wade didn't change that. We are, for the most part, talking baout elective abortions, where the woman's health is not in jeopardy. Your statement is demonstrably false.

"she was just stating the obvious that blacks and whites are treated differently"

Not by most people, they aren't.

Did she talk about black men abandoning their children? That's the catalyst for all the problems, and democrats are very reluctant to say it out loud. Because as usual with you people, this has absolutely nothing to do with actually solving problems, and everything to do with getting votes, which liberals do by telling blacks that notihng i stheir fault, it's all because the system is rigged against them. Bullsh*t. Blacks who have 2 loving parents at home, do well. And whites from poor, fractured families will struggle. It's not about race, it's about socioeconomics. But that doesn't get you votes, so no one on yoru side will say that out loud.

It's not about white priviledge. It's about the priviledge that some kids are born lucky enough to have at the start, the priviledge of having loving parents, and some financial stability. It has zero to do with race.

How can you be unaware of how completely wrong you, and she, are on this? White pepole in the suburbs are somehow responsible for what's happening in Chicago? But not the political party that has run that city for 50 years? And not the people who keep having kids and then not raising them?

“Tackling and ending systemic racism requires contributions from all of us. White Americans, we need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk about the seen and unseen barriers they face every day,” Mrs. Clinton said. “We need to recognize our privilege and practice humility rather than assume our experiences are everyone’s experiences.”



Then who are these White Americans that NEED to do a better job.....and who is this "WE" that needs to recognize OUR privilege?

Pure liberal horesh*t.

"we need to do a better job of listening when African Americans talk "

Oh, that's rich. Back during the 2008 primaries, blacks spoke out and said they wanted Barack Obama to be President. Did she "listen" to them, as she is demanding that we all do, and step aside and say "OK, if that's what you want, then in recognition of my priviledge, I will practice humility and get out of his way"? Or did she spend tens of millions of dollars to fight him, right up until the convention? What did she do to "listen"? When a black man was between her and what she wanted for herself, did she step aside? Not as I recall!

It's ALWAYS do as I say, not as I do.

And that's wrong how?

Did you even read my post?

Did you even read my post?
You edited it after I responded.

And that's wrong how?

Spence, answer me this.

Hilary says we nee dto do a better job of listening when blacks speak, and of showing humility, and of admitting our priviledge.

How is that consistent with what she did during the 2008 primary season...back then, the blacks said they wanted Obama to be President. Did she show humility, listen, admit her priviledge, and step aside to get out of Obama's way? Or did she spend tens of millions of dollars fighting him, right up until the convention, using everything at her disposal to take the nomination from him?

Clearly, she feels no obligation to make any personal sacrifices as reparations for her white priviledge? So where does she get the moral authourity to ask everyine else to do that which she clearly had no intention of doing?

Have fun with that!

Then who are these White Americans that NEED to do a better job.....and who is this "WE" that needs to recognize OUR privilege?
She's giving her perspective on a collective we.

I know a black guy who get's pulled over by cops all the time, yet it never happens to me. Do you deny this doesn't exist?

She's giving her perspective on a collective we.

I know a black guy who get's pulled over by cops all the time, yet it never happens to me. Do you deny this doesn't exist?

(1) In a nation of 300 million, the observed sample of two people, means exactly zilch.

(2) that being said, yes it happens in law enforcement. Does that contribute to black poverty or unemployment? No. It efefcts quality of life, not economic disparities.

(3) and there was that black "knockout game" last year, where youngblacks would sucker-punch innocent white people. Racism, sadly, exists. In a diverse nation of 300 million people, it always will. And it goes in both directions.

As I said (and you conveniently ignored), if a black kid is born into a stable, loving, well-to-do family, he will likely do well. If a white kid is born to a single mom who is a drug addict, that kid will struggle. So race isn't the determining factor. The determining factor, is the dynamic o fthe family that you are born into. Do you deny that? If so, I'd just love to hear why.

It gets tiresome.

Let me put it this way...

I don't NEED to do a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing thing....PERIOD.

I didn't have anything even close to privilege growing up.

So SHE can take her collective WE and stick it up her ass.

I will stay in my little world where the Beer is cold, the jokes are politically incorrect, and I treat people the same regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation......if people want to embrace my philosophy.....they are more than welcome to join me.

Hillary has no place in my world

She's giving her perspective on a collective we.

I know a black guy who get's pulled over by cops all the time, yet it never happens to me. Do you deny this doesn't exist?

Yes, it doesn't exist. From my perspective the black guy is lying. And as far as it "never" happens to you, your not dead yet. And, I am white (at least that's my perspective), and it has happened to me. Though not all the time. I would still be stuck somewhere getting a ticket if it happened all the time.

I didn't have anything even close to privilege growing up.



I had no financial priviledge. I had a different kind of priviledge, one that no white person is depriving any bkack oerson of. What I had, was two (dirt poor) parents who loved each other, loved their kids to death, worked hard, and broke their backs to keep us all on the path to productivity. No TV during dinner, everyone at the table talking to each other. Strict rules on completing homework. Encouragement for putting forth our best effort. Church every single Sunday wihtout exception.

That was my priviledge, and mankind knows no better blueprint for upward economic mobility. But those values that serve as the foundation for upward economic mobility, are exactly the values that are mocked and rejected by liberals like Hilary. My parents took absolutely nohting from any African American, so as TDF said, Hilary can keep her white guilt to herself. But she won't keep it to herself, because the more she talks about it, the more votes she gets.

Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists. The bigger issue Clinton was so eloquently speaking to was the more subtle aspects of discrimination that black people often deal with but are disregarded by whites. Really, all Clinton was saying is be mindful, there are multiple perspectives.

This idea seems to make Jim and TDF foam at the mouth and snap at imaginary flies for some reason.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists. The bigger issue Clinton was so eloquently speaking to was the more subtle aspects of discrimination that black people often deal with but are disregarded by whites. Really, all Clinton was saying is be mindful, there are multiple perspectives.

This idea seems to make Jim and TDF foam at the mouth and snap at imaginary flies for some reason.

"Clinton was so eloquently speaking to " Tell me, Were you feeling a tingle running down your leg ?
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Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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It's all about personal responsibility versus excuses . I have plenty of Dominican and Jamaican friends that are doing just fine . They came from very poor and oppressed areas . They are just good honest hard-working folks who take care of their families . To a man they would agree with Jim on this
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She's doing it for votes....Period. If she gets elected what exactly can she do to fix white privilege? nothing...that's what. Because its a BS fantasy that doesn't exist.

And stop with the BS of a black man having to claw his way harder than a white man......there is ALWAYS going to be people in this world who have it easier than someone else....regardless of the color of their skin....that's called life.

There are black kids from rich black families going to top tier schools and white kids from poor white families going to community college.....is that Black Privilege we are seeing? No....just an example of somebody having it better than somebody else....that's all.

I'm getting tired, as a White Heterosexual Male, of always being made out like I'm the root cause of everybody's problems.

Do good in school, stay out of trouble, work hard, and continue to strive....and guess what, good things will start to happen.....notice that all of those things have absolutely nothing to do with the color of anybody's skin.

Ehh I didn't say Any white person is a default reason for someone else's problems.

Get arrested with 5 ounces of weed and see what happens if you are white or black. Look at the prison population... Mostly black. Look at the water situation in flint Michigan. It's a mostly black town.. I would imagine if that was a mostly white town the water situation would have been fixed.
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Jim, it is a slippery slope for you to say you have never had white privlidge on your side, just as much as it is for a person of color to tell you that you have. Unless you have lived as a minority, you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists. So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today... A black man would have to claw his way a lot harder.
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Maybe I would have been pulle dover a few more times if I was black. So maybe that's white privildege. But ta the same time, if I was black, I woul dhave gotten a free ride (and a monthly stipend) to go to UCONN, instead of taking out loans. It works both ways.

If my family was black instead of white, and everything else was the same, there is no earthly reason to believe my life would be less fulfilling to me, or that it would have been harder.

"you will never know what life can be like when you are constantly oppressed by racists"

Who is being 'constantly oppressed by racists'? This isn't the 1950s. I reject that widespread, institutional racism exists.

"So I would shut your pie hole about saying you had to claw your way to get to where you are today"

And I would tell you to shut your pie hole about telling me to shut my pie hole. If I was black, I would've gone to UCONN for free, that is a fact based on the grades I had in high school - we joked about it at the time. Please tell me how, specifically, my life would have been harder if I was black. I can't wait to hear this...maybe i would have been pulled over more by the police. Maybe not.

I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists. The bigger issue Clinton was so eloquently speaking to was the more subtle aspects of discrimination that black people often deal with but are disregarded by whites. Really, all Clinton was saying is be mindful, there are multiple perspectives.

This idea seems to make Jim and TDF foam at the mouth and snap at imaginary flies for some reason.

Here's what gets me going...I ask you a very simple question (where does Hilary get off lecturing anyone about this, when she did EVERYTHING in her power to deny the blacks the candidate they wanted in 2008...that's a simple question, and very fair given her statements. And you won't answer. Because you can't.

Everyone, except her I guess, owes it to them to make sacrifices.

"I don't know if I'd go so far as to say constantly oppressed by racists."

What a concession. We have a 2-term black President.

Get arrested with 5 ounces of weed and see what happens if you are white or black. Look at the prison population... Mostly black.

Well, maybe if they followed TDF's 4 step program they wouldn't be there

Look at the water situation in flint Michigan. It's a mostly black town.. I would imagine if that was a mostly white town the water situation would have been fixed.
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That had absolutely nothing to do with skin color.....that was about money. people need to stop making everything a race issue. 37% of flint's population is white.

Just because Black People get screwed.....doesn't always mean its about skin color.

An Ass-hole is an Ass-hole....regardless of skin color too.....

It's all about personal responsibility versus excuses . I have plenty of Dominican and Jamaican friends that are doing just fine . They came from very poor and oppressed areas . They are just good honest hard-working folks who take care of their families . To a man they would agree with Jim on this
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"I have plenty of Dominican and Jamaican friends that are doing just fine "


DING DING DING, we have a winner again!!

Every Sunday, I fill up my truck with gas at the local Shell, and stop in to get the paper. The family that owns the station, is from the African nation of Liberia, one of the last places on the planet you'd want to be born. Every singlke time I go in there, the husband and wife are working, all smiles. Their two kids are either studying or working. They even manage to pull their pants uo high enough so I don't have to see their underwear. They cam here with nohting, worked at the store, git some kind o ffederal loan to help them by the store. They work 7 days a week. And their kids both go to college for free.

I have spoken to this man countless times. He always asks me why anyone would claim this is an overtly racist nation, sinc ethis is the only nation on th eplanet where he could come with nothing, own a business, and give his kids a world-class education.

He has said to me, many times, that if you are black, it's better NOT to have been born here, but rather to immigrate. And not because of white people. But because of the culture embraced by too many American blacks.

His story is not unique. Every town in every state, has a similar family. And we have a black President. And still, we have Hilary asking "when will we overcome?"

What a concession. We have a 2-term black President.

Half-Black.......must have been his White Privilege that got him elected.

She's doing it for votes....Period. If she gets elected what exactly can she do to fix white privilege? nothing...that's what. Because its a BS fantasy that doesn't exist.

And stop with the BS of a black man having to claw his way harder than a white man......there is ALWAYS going to be people in this world who have it easier than someone else....regardless of the color of their skin....that's called life.

There are black kids from rich black families going to top tier schools and white kids from poor white families going to community college.....is that Black Privilege we are seeing? No....just an example of somebody having it better than somebody else....that's all.

I'm getting tired, as a White Heterosexual Male, of always being made out like I'm the root cause of everybody's problems.

Do good in school, stay out of trouble, work hard, and continue to strive....and guess what, good things will start to happen.....notice that all of those things have absolutely nothing to do with the color of anybody's skin.

"She's doing it for votes....Period"

Obviously. if she believed one syllable of that crap she's peddling, she would have allowed Obama to be the nominee in 2008, unchallenged. But boy, did she fight him for that. I'm supposed to believe that she's wracked with white guilt?

"And stop with the BS of a black man having to claw his way harder than a white man"

Spence and Nebe, do you think that a wealthy black man has it harder than a poor white man? if not, then it's not about race.

"I'm getting tired, as a White Heterosexual Male, of always being made out like I'm the root cause of everybody's problems"

So are a lot of us. Which is exactly why Trump got 46% of the vote in Nevada.

Do good in school, stay out of trouble, work hard, and continue to strive....and guess what, good things will start to happen.....notice that all of those things have absolutely nothing to do with the color of anybody's skin.

Bingo.

But that message, doesn't allow a political candidate to cobble together a large voting block.

I want to be a "life coach" someday. Every person who comes to see me, will get the same answer..."if you want to know what the problem is, look in the mirror. If you want to know what the solution is, look in the Bible. That will be $250, cash or card, tell your friends. Next!"

As my Dad always says, "the only place where success comes before work, is in the dictionary." That notion applies, regardless of race.

You have there, a 4-point plan, 14 words in all, that are a blueprint for a self-sufficient life. And it works equally well across ethnicities. The problem is that the black culture, is being incentivized by liberal policies, to embrace a different philosophy. And if you look atthe evidence staring us in the face (what has happened in our cities for 50 years), it could not be more clear that the liberal approach has been a disaster. Yet every November, they regurgitate the same failing and short-sighted promises.

I wonder if it's intentional (do liberals secretly desire to keep placks down), or are they really too stupid to admit that their policies just don't work. Just how much damage does liberal ideology have to do to these people, before liberals conclude that it's bad policy?

Until the day I die, I will wonder if it's intentional on their part, because no one can be that clueles and aloof.

Get arrested with 5 ounces of weed and see what happens if you are white or black. Look at the prison population... Mostly black. Look at the water situation in flint Michigan. It's a mostly black town.. I would imagine if that was a mostly white town the water situation would have been fixed.
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Wait, you're telling me that the War on Drugs has had a disproportionate impact by race????

I guess I should have known this from the multitude of studies on the issue showing disproportionate ratio of drug use to incarceration.

What do the charts say about the disproportionate amount of blacks/Whites who are incarcerated because they didn't break the law. and stayed out of trouble

Wait, you're telling me that the War on Drugs has had a disproportionate impact by race????

I guess I should have known this from the multitude of studies on the issue showing disproportionate ratio of drug use to incarceration.

"Wait, you're telling me that the War on Drugs has had a disproportionate impact by race????"

And the war waged on us by drug dealers, has also disproportionately impacted the black community, has it not? Go tell the people who live in Chicago, that the enemy in the war on drugs, are the white cops.

"disproportionate ratio of drug use to incarceration"

That needs to get looked at. Until then, I know a good way for blacks to avoid getting disportionate sentences for drug use...don't do drugs. How about that?

Still waiting for you to explain why Clinton has any standing to discuss this, when she did everyuthing in her power, to deny a black man (Obama) from the job he so wanted. Please explain? I'm all a-twitter...

Still waiting for you to explain why Clinton has any standing to discuss this, when she did everyuthing in her power, to deny a black man (Obama) from the job he so wanted. Please explain? I'm all a-twitter...
So a respect for other viewpoints equates to total capitulation? That doesn't make any sense.

So a respect for other viewpoints equates to total capitulation? That doesn't make any sense.

Oh, I see. So Hilary just wants us to respect the black viewpoint. And what evidence is there, pray tell, that she has any more respect for the black viewpoint, than Ted Cruz has? Please elaborate!

:cheers2:Let me put it this way...

I don't NEED to do a #^&#^&#^&#^&ing thing....PERIOD.

I didn't have anything even close to privilege growing up.

So SHE can take her collective WE and stick it up her ass.

I will stay in my little world where the Beer is cold, the jokes are politically incorrect, and I treat people the same regardless of race, gender, or sexual orientation......if people want to embrace my philosophy.....they are more than welcome to join me.

Hillary has no place in my world

:cheers2::cheers: Here here

So a respect for other viewpoints equates to total capitulation? That doesn't make any sense.

She has also said, many times, that she supports affirmative action. Seems to me that if she meant that, she would have wanted Obama to get the job he wanted in 2008, no?

She has also said, many times, that she supports affirmative action. Seems to me that if she meant that, she would have wanted Obama to get the job he wanted in 2008, no?
Yes, that's how affirmative action works. Right.

Yes, that's how affirmative action works. Right.

Apparently you have no idea what it is. If you support affirmative action, that means you buy into the concept that it is right to give, for example, a job to a black man, over a more-qualified white man, in attempt to right an historical wrong. In other words, affirmative action supporters believe we should be prepared to make sacrifices, to accept the fact that we may be passed over when seeking a job.

She claims to support it. Yet she sure didn't show the courage of her convictions, did she? If she isn't prepared to concede a job to ablack person based solely on skin color, where does she get th emoral authority to ask anyone else to do the same?

I await your answer...

I await your answer...
You don't really think like this do you.