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scottw
03-12-2016, 06:16 PM
He has no policy, no ground infrastructure and has offended millions of Americans.

WOW....he's the white Obama :eek:

spence
03-12-2016, 06:17 PM
WOW....he's the white Obama :eek:
Good one Gumby.

scottw
03-12-2016, 06:23 PM
Good one Gumby.

White Obama with a hot wife

Nebe
03-12-2016, 07:25 PM
Scott is sounding desperate due to the fact his party is in shambles
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spence
03-12-2016, 07:36 PM
Scott is sounding desperate due to the fact his party is in shambles
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It's kind of sad to watch actually. Only a matter of time before he's assimilated.

scottw
03-12-2016, 07:37 PM
Scott is sounding desperate due to the fact his party is in shambles
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I consider it healthy.....the dem establishment has been able to have it's way so far...the republican establishment....not so much

Nebe
03-12-2016, 08:10 PM
I'd love to see the GOP clean house and come up with some good people who were not beholden to special interests and were willing to vote on bills that would better the country and not just their own interests. I'd even vote for them. But I don't see it happening soon.
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detbuch
03-13-2016, 12:22 AM
I'd love to see the GOP clean house and come up with some good people

So you're saying all the Republican politicians are bad people?

who were not beholden to special interests

That's an unrealistic request. Party politics is all about special interests. Did you read that article that Spence posted by "unbiased" real honest-to-gosh political scientists who felt it was their civic duty to point out to voters the real true statistics that showed which party benefited them most so they could vote accordingly?

and were willing to vote on bills that would better the country and not just their own interests. I'd even vote for them. But I don't see it happening soon.
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Isn't your notion of what "would better the country" influenced by the issues and interests which you personally believe would be beneficial? Isn't it that which interests you, "your own interests," which decides for you what is good or not?

Wouldn't it be better for the country if, instead of creating bills that favor this or that group, they stuck to legislation which did not infringe on unalienable rights? And wouldn't it be better if government would quit creating rights which they dole out and control? And better if it would be less invasive in our lives and leave more control over ourselves to us?

scottw
03-13-2016, 05:36 AM
I'd love to see the GOP clean house

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_members_of_the_United_States_Congress_by_l ongevity_of_service

31 of the top 103 longest serving members of congress are republicans....democrats own the top rankings...Trump should come out for term limits in very strong terms today....if Bernie did it.... we'd have to laugh pretty hard

5/18/2015
The following is a list from rollcall.com of the Republicans in the U.S. Senate that have served for at least 20 years and the dates when they first took office…

Orrin G. Hatch, Utah Jan. 4, 1977
Thad Cochran, Miss. Dec. 27, 1978
Charles E. Grassley, Iowa Jan. 5, 1981
Mitch McConnell, Ky. Jan. 3, 1985
Richard C. Shelby, Ala. Jan. 6, 1987
John McCain, Ariz. Jan. 6, 1987
James M. Inhofe, Okla. Nov. 30, 1994

The following is a list from rollcall.com of the Democrats in the U.S. Senate that have served for at least 20 years and the dates when they first took office…

Patrick J. Leahy, Vt. Jan. 14, 1975
Barbara A. Mikulski, Md. Jan. 6, 1987
Harry Reid, Nev. Jan. 6, 1987
Bernie Sanders Vt. Jan. 3, 1991
Dianne Feinstein, Calif. Nov. 4, 1992
Barbara Boxer, Calif. Jan. 5, 1993
Patty Murray, Wash. Jan. 5, 1993

The following is a list from rollcall.com of the Republicans in the U.S. House of Representatives that have served for at least 20 years and the dates when they first took office…

Don Young, Alaska March 6, 1973
Jim Sensenbrenner, Wis. Jan. 15, 1979
Harold Rogers, Ky. Jan. 5, 1981
Christopher H. Smith, N.J. Jan. 5, 1981
Joe L. Barton, Texas Jan. 3, 1985
Lamar Smith, Texas Jan. 6, 1987
Fred Upton, Mich. Jan. 6, 1987
John J. Duncan Jr., Tenn. Nov. 8, 1988
Dana Rohrabacher, Calif. Jan. 3, 1989
Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, Fla. Aug. 29, 1989
John A. Boehner, Ohio Jan. 3, 1991
Sam Johnson, Texas May 18, 1991
Ken Calvert, Calif. Jan. 5, 1993
Robert W. Goodlatte, Va. Jan. 5, 1993
Peter T. King, N.Y. Jan. 5, 1993
John L. Mica, Fla. Jan. 5, 1993
Ed Royce, Calif. Jan. 5, 1993
Frank D. Lucas, Okla. May 10, 1994
Rodney Frelinghuysen, N.J. Jan. 4, 1995
Walter B. Jones, N.C. Jan. 4, 1995
Frank A. LoBiondo, N.J. Jan. 4, 1995
Mac Thornberry, Texas Jan. 4, 1995
Edward Whitfield, Ky. Jan. 4, 1995

The following is a list from rollcall.com of the Democrats in the U.S. House of Representatives that have served for at least 20 years and the dates when they first took office…

John Conyers Jr., Mich. Jan. 4, 1965
Charles B. Rangel, N.Y. Jan. 21, 1971
Steny H. Hoyer, Md. May 19, 1981
Marcy Kaptur, Ohio Jan. 3, 1983
Sander M. Levin, Mich. Jan. 3, 1983
Peter J. Visclosky, Ind. Jan. 3, 1985
Peter A. DeFazio, Ore. Jan. 6, 1987
John Lewis, Ga. Jan. 6, 1987
Louise M. Slaughter, N.Y. Jan. 6, 1987
Nancy Pelosi, Calif. June 2, 1987
Frank Pallone Jr., N.J. Nov. 8, 1988
Eliot L. Engel, N.Y. Jan. 3, 1989
Nita M. Lowey, N.Y. Jan. 3, 1989
Jim McDermott, Wash. Jan. 3, 1989
Richard E. Neal, Mass. Jan. 3, 1989
José E. Serrano, N.Y. March 20, 1990
David E. Price, N.C. Jan. 7, 1997 Also served 1987-95
Rosa DeLauro, Conn. Jan. 3, 1991
Collin C. Peterson, Minn. Jan. 3, 1991
Maxine Waters, Calif. Jan. 3, 1991
Jerrold Nadler, N.Y. Nov. 3, 1992
Jim Cooper, Tenn. Jan. 7, 2003 Also served 1983-95
Xavier Becerra, Calif. Jan. 5, 1993
Sanford D. Bishop Jr., Ga. Jan. 5, 1993
Corrine Brown, Fla. Jan. 5, 1993
James E. Clyburn, S.C. Jan. 5, 1993
Anna G. Eshoo, Calif. Jan. 5, 1993
Gene Green, Texas Jan. 5, 1993
Luis V. Gutierrez, Ill. Jan. 5, 1993
Alcee L. Hastings, Fla. Jan. 5, 1993
Eddie Bernice Johnson, Texas Jan. 5, 1993
Carolyn B. Maloney, N.Y. Jan. 5, 1993
Lucille Roybal-Allard, Calif. Jan. 5, 1993
Bobby L. Rush, Ill. Jan. 5, 1993
Robert C. Scott, Va. Jan. 5, 1993
Nydia M. Velázquez, N.Y. Jan. 5, 1993
Bennie Thompson, Miss. April 13, 1993
Sam Farr, Calif. June 8, 1993
Lloyd Doggett, Texas Jan. 4, 1995
Mike Doyle, Pa. Jan. 4, 1995
Chaka Fattah, Pa. Jan. 4, 1995
Sheila Jackson Lee, Texas Jan. 4, 1995
Zoe Lofgren, Calif. Jan. 4, 1995

RIROCKHOUND
03-17-2016, 06:23 AM
I think you're talking about 3 votes.

He has no policy, no ground infrastructure and has offended millions of Americans.

Don't worry, he will have great advisers. It will be yuge!

scottw
03-17-2016, 06:49 AM
Don't worry, he will have great advisers. It will be yuge!

hey...we were told the Teleprompter Twit with no practical experience would "grow" into the job....that never happened but can't we imagine Trump could grow into the job even if Obama couldn't...maybe get some top advisers like Al Sharpton and whoever is in charge of America's Union Thugs at the time, whoever has been advising Obama on foreign policy sucks, so Trump can only do better I suppose.....maybe they'll put him on teleprompter after he wins the nomination so he'll stay on message like they did Barry and wifey...

love how the folks that have set the bar so low and who have invested so much authority into the Presidency are now apoplectic that someone like Trump might take the reigns


there is a message and a lesson there somewhere :uhuh:

DZ
03-17-2016, 08:42 AM
Amazing hysteria on the left currently on Social Media - they are VERY WORRIED about Trump. The independent vote has moved right. I think many will be jumping off a cliff soon.

HYSTERIA: A situation in which many people behave or react in an extreme or uncontrolled way because of fear, anger, etc.

scottw
03-17-2016, 09:38 AM
Amazing hysteria on the left currently on Social Media - they are VERY WORRIED about Trump. The independent vote has moved right. I think many will be jumping off a cliff soon.

HYSTERIA: A situation in which many people behave or react in an extreme or uncontrolled way because of fear, anger, etc.

and they are promising historic marches and protests....this should go well:rollem:

Redsoxticket
03-17-2016, 09:39 AM
The followers of Trump are like pigs to a slaughter
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buckman
03-17-2016, 10:12 AM
The followers of Trump are like pigs to a slaughter
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Why?
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Nebe
03-17-2016, 10:42 AM
Why?
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I won't make the Hitler comparison, but think of the Italians before they elected Mussolini. How that work out for them?
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scottw
03-17-2016, 10:46 AM
I won't make the Hitler comparison, but think of the Italians before they elected Mussolini. How that work out for them?
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so if "Democratic Socialism" is good now....

maybe "Democratic Fascism" will be good too !?

buckman
03-17-2016, 11:33 AM
I won't make the Hitler comparison, but think of the Italians before they elected Mussolini. How that work out for them?
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Yes because the last thing we want to do is fundamentally change America . How's that working out for us ?
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spence
03-17-2016, 11:51 AM
Yes because the last thing we want to do is fundamentally change America . How's that working out for us ?
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Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy and destroying his character I'd say O has had a pretty rough time. Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy...

Here's the full quote:

After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America. In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street. In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy, so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor. In five days, you can put an end to the politics that would divide a nation just to win an election, that tries to pit region against region, and city against town, and Republican against Democrat, that asks -- asks us to fear at a time when we need to hope.

scottw
03-17-2016, 12:00 PM
Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy and destroying his character I'd say O has had a pretty rough time. Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy...

Here's the full quote:

still whining about that?...give it a break

Jim in CT
03-17-2016, 01:11 PM
Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy and destroying his character I'd say O has had a pretty rough time. Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy...

Here's the full quote:

"Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy"

When he proposes something that isn't asinine, I will hope the GOP will support him.

And how many Republican senators voted for Sonya Sotomayor (you know, the one who says that Latina females are culturally superior to everyone else, which explains why Americans are hellbent on moving to Mexico en masse).

"I'd say O has had a pretty rough time"

Yes he has.

"Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy"

What, by stating accurately that (1) our recovery from the recession he inherited has been the slowest ever, despite the fact that the Fed pumped a jillion dollars into the economy? Or by stating that (2) he inherited a stable Iraq, and left it in flames after his tenure? Or by stating accurately that (3) he did absolutely notihng to improve the financial health of Social Security or Medicare?

Yes, let's start making space on Mt Rushmore.

buckman
03-17-2016, 01:20 PM
"Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy"

When he proposes something that isn't asinine, I will hope the GOP will support him.

And how many Republican senators voted for Sonya Sotomayor (you know, the one who says that Latina females are culturally superior to everyone else, which explains why Americans are hellbent on moving to Mexico en masse).

"I'd say O has had a pretty rough time"

Yes he has.

"Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy"

What, by stating accurately that (1) our recovery from the recession he inherited has been the slowest ever, despite the fact that the Fed pumped a jillion dollars into the economy? Or by stating that (2) he inherited a stable Iraq, and left it in flames after his tenure? Or by stating accurately that (3) he did absolutely notihng to improve the financial health of Social Security or Medicare?

Yes, let's start making space on Mt Rushmore.

It's pretty sad but I don't think the Democratic Party was ready for a black President .
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scottw
03-17-2016, 01:27 PM
bringing out the big guns....

Pro-Illegal Immigration Activists Plan Rallies This Saturday against Donald Trump

A so-called “antifascist” group that supports illegal immigration is planning a rally against GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump this Saturday in New York City, the same day that a Black Lives Matter affiliated group that also supports illegal immigration is planning a rally in Phoenix, Arizona.

need more rallies by people who support criminal behavior and ignoring the rule of law :kewl:

Jim in CT
03-17-2016, 02:28 PM
bringing out the big guns....

Pro-Illegal Immigration Activists Plan Rallies This Saturday against Donald Trump

A so-called “antifascist” group :

In which "thinking it's a good idea to enforce our duly constituted laws which protect all of us = "fascism".

If you think it's fascist to have an idea of who is entering America in the post-9/11 world, you are a liberal. If you think it's a good idea to have an idea of who is entering America in the post-9/11 world, you are a conservative.

How can they be so wrong, so often, and win with 99% of the vote every year, here in CT?

detbuch
03-17-2016, 03:35 PM
Considering he's had a GOP hell bent on opposing policy and destroying his character I'd say O has had a pretty rough time. (Oh, get over it. Every President has had that rough road. Pretending he has had some singularly rough time is a huge pile of cow poop. Thinking about where he started though history is likely to be pretty kind to his legacy...

Here's the full quote:"After decades of broken politics in Washington, and eight years of failed policies from George W. Bush, and 21 months of a campaign that's taken us from the rocky coast of Maine to the sunshine of California, we are five days away from fundamentally transforming the United States of America.

Either he doesn't know the meaning of "fundamental" (basic · underlying · core · foundational · rudimentary . elemental · elementary · basal · root · primary · prime · cardinal · first · principal · chief · key · central · vital · essential · important · indispensable · necessary · crucial · pivotal · critical · structural · organic · constitutional · inherent · intrinsic) . . . or he does know and does want to actually fundamentally transform America.

"In five days, you can turn the page on policies that put greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street before the hard work and sacrifice of folks on Main Street.

Is he saying what he will transform is some core principal of America which commands us to create policies that promote greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street? I hadn't heard that such a principal was established and written into our foundation.

And why has the Wall Street greed grown after he helped to transform it by supporting continuous QE which just puts more money into the pockets of banks and Wall Street investors? And sucks the rest of us into more debt? And was he promising to transform the vote he cast as a Senator when he voted for the bank bailout? Sanders voted against it.

"In five days, you can choose policies that invest in our middle class, and create new jobs, and grow this economy,

So then why has the middle class shrunk under his transformation? Was there another one of those foundational, elementary, constitutional, core principals of America that is anti-middle class, and against creating new jobs, and growing the economy, that he had to transform? Didn't the middle class grow, and weren't new jobs created, and didn't the economy grow in America for over two centuries before Obama came along? And at a much, much, better rate than they have under Obama's transformation?

"so that everyone has a chance to succeed, not just the CEO, but the secretary and janitor, not just the factory owner, but the men and women on the factory floor.

Is there something at the core of America's foundational structure which gives only the CEO or factory owner the chance to succeed, and denies that chance to secretaries and janitors and men and women on the factory floor? What does he mean by them succeeding? Didn't they succeed before in the America he wishes to fundamentally transform?

"In five days, you can put an end to the politics that would divide a nation just to win an election, that tries to pit region against region, and city against town, and Republican against Democrat,

He did, and continues to, practice the politics that divide this nation . . . and not only to win an election, but to truly transform America. He pits red against blue, class against class, Republican against Democrat, race against race, secular against religious, citizen against immigrant, President against Congress, all and more to win elections so that he can help to bring about, not some surface scratching differences and fluctuations which are not an elemental, indispensable, feature of American governance, but to truly effect a fundamental transformation of that governmental system.

The great political battle in which he is engaging is the ongoing ideological struggle between Statism and Individualism. He is about transforming the relationship of the citizen to the government from one of sovereign self actuating individuals supported and protected as such by a government which is servant to their liberty, to one of dependent groups who are servile to the government and supportive of it as their overlord in order to be given that which they are not capable of getting on their own.

"that asks -- asks us to fear at a time when we need to hope.[END QUOTE]

He directs us to be afraid of one another in order that we place our hope, not on ourselves, but on government. The most feared words of a Progressive Statist are "I did that on my own."

His little speech is typical, self-serving, incoherent political pap. And, like a good Progressive, he is about transforming us from a Constitutional Republic into a Centralized Administrative State. The difference between each is FUNDAMENTAL. And that's the real fundamental transformation which he is about. The other little laundry lists of things he proposed to change are not fundamental to our founded Constitutional Republic. And don't blame "hell bent" Republicans for his not being able to make the changes he promised.

On the other hand, he has infused more destructive change (if not transformation) into what is left of our Constitutional system.

spence
03-17-2016, 05:40 PM
This is actually a pretty big deal.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/politics/donald-trump-aipac-boycott-protest-rabbis-jewish-leaders/index.html

scottw
03-17-2016, 05:59 PM
This is actually a pretty big deal.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/17/politics/donald-trump-aipac-boycott-protest-rabbis-jewish-leaders/index.html

well. I hope they don't start fights, beat up any cops or cause too much of a ruckus....


I just saw Harry Reid and Chuck Schumer complaining about Trump....that's like two rats complaining about a hyena ......

spence
03-19-2016, 12:49 PM
Woa, this is impressive...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Nebe
03-19-2016, 01:13 PM
Are you surprised Spence?
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spence
03-19-2016, 02:01 PM
Are you surprised Spence?
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It's even worse than I assumed. 78% is mostly false to pants on fire?

I don't think I could do that if I tried.

buckman
03-19-2016, 02:19 PM
Woa, this is impressive...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

Where's Hillarys ?
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spence
03-19-2016, 02:27 PM
Where's Hillarys ?
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Pull down the people list...

scottw
03-19-2016, 04:31 PM
Woa, this is impressive...

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

a)...it's politifact so who cares

2)...meh..."they all lie"....right Eben?....maybe this makes him highly qualified for the job based on the standard previously set by Barry and Bubba

either way....don't expect much of a response when you've been defending the Clinton's and O for years...Trump is just trying to catch up to their level of deceit

Nebe
03-19-2016, 06:11 PM
a)...it's politifact so who cares

2)...meh..."they all lie"....right Eben?....maybe this makes him highly qualified for the job based on the standard previously set by Barry and Bubba

either way....don't expect much of a response when you've been defending the Clinton's and O for years...Trump is just trying to catch up to their level of deceit

Show me some Bernie sanders lies.
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scottw
03-19-2016, 06:28 PM
Show me some Bernie sanders lies.
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I'm just quoting one of your frequent refrains...are you suggesting Bernie doesn't lie and if he somehow doesn't, is somehow untainted by the dirt of politics ...perhaps he's too honest for the job ?

The Dad Fisherman
03-19-2016, 09:18 PM
Show me some Bernie sanders lies.
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Maybe this guy would like some clarification on why he doesn't know what it's like to be poor.....

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Homeless-And-Cold-Photo-By-Ed-Yourdon-440x332.jpg
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Nebe
03-19-2016, 09:45 PM
I'm just quoting one of your frequent refrains...are you suggesting Bernie doesn't lie and if he somehow doesn't, is somehow untainted by the dirt of politics ...perhaps he's too honest for the job ?

Show me examples of him flat out saying one thing and doing another in a deceitful way. You can't

As for the ghetto comment I don't agree with what he said but i wouldn't call that a deceitful lie.
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scottw
03-20-2016, 04:31 AM
Show me examples of him flat out saying one thing and doing another in a deceitful way. You can't

As for the ghetto comment I don't agree with what he said but i wouldn't call that a deceitful lie.
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google Bernie's lies

I wasn't suggesting that Bernie is a liar, I was dismissing Trumps lies using your past relativist rhetoric declaring "they all do it"... so........

Trump is a tremendous learning opportunity for the left :hihi:

Nebe
03-20-2016, 06:26 AM
They all may do it but trump takes it to the next level.
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buckman
03-20-2016, 07:23 AM
Pull down the people list...

I need a better site map to find it then what they have . Is it really there or are you pulling a Hillary ?
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Nebe
03-20-2016, 07:54 AM
It takes a highly educated liberal mind to operate that website :rotfl:

http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
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scottw
03-20-2016, 08:29 PM
I watched Bernie's rally speech in Arizona a little earlier...the guy is a friggin' lunatic...the crowd did get the most animated when he got to the part about pot....which I guess explains the fascination....lot's of democrats getting arrested this weekend :rotflmao:

PaulS
03-21-2016, 07:04 AM
Actually it seems like it is all the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people. Another one Sat. night.

Good thing they aren't arresting people for spitting on other people. The jails would be full.

scottw
03-21-2016, 07:23 AM
Another "one" Sat. night.


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fixed it for you....and he, by the way was a "black" Trump supporter who apparently doesn't exist, and he punched a white Trump protester dressed as a KKK member who was acting like an idiot.....you'd think in lib land that would be perfectly justified....

I guess you missed all of the blocked traffic, protesters chained to their vehicle's and other's jumping on and damaging other people's property, arrests and general mayhem....

PaulS
03-21-2016, 07:42 AM
Tough guys spitting on people being led away. Even Trump's campaign manager can't control his temper.

Trump even called the sucker puncher "wonderful".

Jim in CT
03-21-2016, 10:05 AM
Maybe this guy would like some clarification on why he doesn't know what it's like to be poor.....

Exactly. His speech about whites not knowing what it's like to live in ghettos, managed to tick off the whites and the blacks. This is what you get from a close-minded liberal from VT, where there aren't any blacks.

I don't think Bernie's as big a liar as some others, but he's more wrong than maybe anyone who has run since Al Sharpton.

You cannot say that since socialism does OK in Scandanavia, it will work OK here. Those countries are tiny, and overwhelmingly white. You can't compare stanradr-of-living ratios of Switzeland, to that of America. If you want, you can compare the Swiss results to the parts of America that look like Switzerland (Greenwich CT comes to mind), and in that case, the US would compare quite well. Move Mexico to the southern border of any Scandanavian country, make it an open border, and see what that socialist paradise looks like in 20 years.

Bernie doesn't buy into that. He thinks that what works in Norway, will work similarly here. That doesn't make him a liar Nebe (becaause I think he sincerely believes that), but it makes him dangerously unqualified for the job he seeks.

Jim in CT
03-21-2016, 10:08 AM
Actually it seems like it is all the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people. Another one Sat. night.

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In which the actions of "one" necessarily speak for "all".

There's so much legitimate criticism to heap on this guy, for one thing, he's not denouncing the violence. One person doesn't speak for the tens of millions who support him.

Jim in CT
03-21-2016, 10:09 AM
Trump even called the sucker puncher "wonderful".

And if that's true, THAT'S why he isn't qualified for this job.

PaulS
03-21-2016, 10:54 AM
In which the actions of "one" necessarily speak for "all".

There's so much legitimate criticism to heap on this guy, for one thing, he's not denouncing the violence. One person doesn't speak for the tens of millions who support him.

But isn't that what you do constantly - find something that you don't like and apply it to all? But generally, I agree with that statement and should have written "Actually it seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people."

Jim in CT
03-21-2016, 11:34 AM
But isn't that what you do constantly - find something that you don't like and apply it to all? But generally, I agree with that statement and should have written "Actually it seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people."

"But isn't that what you do constantly "

No.

"find something that you don't like and apply it to all?"

We've done this dance a few times. Yes, I make generalizations. For example, I might say that librals riot when they don't get their way. Now, I know that not every single liberal in the nation condones this. But the majority of people doing the rioting are obviously liberal, so i take the liberty of saying that "liberals riot when they don't get their way." It's a genaralization, but it's a much more valid generalization (in my opinion, naturally) than saying that "all" Trump supporters are in favor of punching those with whom they disagree, when you are generalizing about, what, 10 people out of millions?

"seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people"

I have no problem with that statement. I don't see Hilary or Bernie supporters getting violent at those rallies, but that may be because conservatives aren't protesting like wild animals at those rallies, preventing Hilary or Bernie from speaking, are we?

Who is getting arrested for killing everybody in Chicago? Is that a bigger issue, or a smaller issue, than what 10 drunk morons do at Trump rallies?

And again, how many people are in the ground because of Trump-inspired violence? Zilch. Ho wmany are in the ground because of Sharpton - 6, 7, 8? And liberals are so upset with Sharpton for what he did, they gave him a show on MSNBC (which might actually be fitting punishment and humiliation for him, but that's not why the liberals did it).

PaulS
03-21-2016, 12:04 PM
"But isn't that what you do constantly "

No.

"find something that you don't like and apply it to all?"

We've done this dance a few times. Yes, I make generalizations. For example, I might say that librals riot when they don't get their way. Now, I know that not every single liberal in the nation condones this. But the majority of people doing the rioting are obviously liberal, so i take the liberty of saying that "liberals riot when they don't get their way." It's a genaralization, but it's a much more valid generalization (in my opinion, naturally) than saying that "all" Trump supporters are in favor of punching those with whom they disagree, when you are generalizing about, what, 10 people out of millions?So then since I know that not every single conservative in the nation condones it but the majority of people doing the spitting and the sucker punching are obviously conservative should I take the liberty and generalize by saying "conservatives spit on people and sucker punch people when they don't like what those people say"? You're an actuary - both samples are too small to make that generalization. In addition, you generalize and make the obviously wrong assumption that the ones doing the protesting (and yes acting like idiots) are representative of all liberals instead of saying they are a much, much younger aged subset.

"seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people"

I have no problem with that statement. I don't see Hilary or Bernie supporters getting violent at those rallies, but that may be because conservatives aren't protesting like wild animals at those rallies, preventing Hilary or Bernie from speaking, are we?I don't think the ones inside the arena's are acting like animals - maybe the idiots outside are.

Who is getting arrested for killing everybody in Chicago? Criminals areIs that a bigger issue, or a smaller issue, than what 10 drunk morons do at Trump rallies?



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Jim in CT
03-21-2016, 02:06 PM
nm

"should I take the liberty and generalize by saying "conservatives spit on people and sucker punch people when they don't like what those people say"?

No, if you say mean 'most' but say 'all', I have no issue. But what you said here (maybe I mis-read) is that 'all Trump suporters are doing this', when it's literally something like once for each million supporters. If I say "unions vote for democrats", I think I'm a bit closer to being accurate, then you are if you say 'Trump supporters are punching everyone out'.

"both samples are too small to make that generalization"

Not sure. In the case of rioters, just about 100% of them are liberal. I keep asking for examples of conservatives rioting to prevent liberal politicians from speaking, and no one responded, so I assume there are none. But 99.9% of Trump supporters haven't done anything wrong (maybe supporting him is bad enough, I could be convinced of that).

"you generalize and make the obviously wrong assumption that the ones doing the protesting (and yes acting like idiots) are representative of all liberals "

I hear lots of conservatives (LOTS) condemn Trump and the violence at his rallies. I haven't heard a single liberal tell the rioters to knock it off because Trump has the right to free speech. I see th erioters being treated like modern-day Rosa Parks. I calls 'em like I sees 'em.

Raven
03-21-2016, 03:22 PM
i think we should riot

spence
03-21-2016, 03:50 PM
Not sure. In the case of rioters, just about 100% of them are liberal. I keep asking for examples of conservatives rioting to prevent liberal politicians from speaking, and no one responded, so I assume there are none. But 99.9% of Trump supporters haven't done anything wrong (maybe supporting him is bad enough, I could be convinced of that).
I think you're asking the wrong question. Is the profile of someone who's more likely to riot about political belief or about disenfranchisement and inequality?

buckman
03-21-2016, 03:57 PM
I think you're asking the wrong question. Is the profile of someone who's more likely to riot about political belief or about disenfranchisement and inequality?

Did you see the signs that the protesters in New York were carrying ? Or see the video of the transvestite punching the policeman's horse in the face ?
Curious if these are the type of people that you would let babysit your children because you certainly spend a lot of your time defending them
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scottw
03-21-2016, 04:32 PM
I think you're asking the wrong question. Is the profile of someone who's more likely to riot about political belief or about disenfranchisement and inequality?

what we know from democrats is that mentioning the word riot(if you are a republican) is very bad....but actually rioting(if you are a democrat) is not such a big deal :rollem:

Jim in CT
03-21-2016, 04:55 PM
I think you're asking the wrong question. Is the profile of someone who's more likely to riot about political belief or about disenfranchisement and inequality?

Yes Spence. The kids at Yale who protested about giving someone else the right to free speech, are disenfranchised and are the victims of inequality. Many of the riots re on college campuses.

Good God man, not your finest speculation.

Jim in CT
03-21-2016, 04:57 PM
what we know from democrats is that mentioning the word riot(if you are a republican) is very bad....but actually rioting(if you are a democrat) is not such a big deal :rollem:
Correct. If it was about disenfranchisement, believe me, it would be the white, heterosexual males who would be rioting, after 7 years of Weird Harold blaming us for everything.

Jim in CT
03-21-2016, 04:57 PM
what we know from democrats is that mentioning the word riot(if you are a republican) is very bad....but actually rioting(if you are a democrat) is not such a big deal :rollem:

Correct. If it was about disenfranchisement, believe me, it would be the white, heterosexual males who would be rioting, after 7 years of Weird Harold blaming us for everything.

spence
03-21-2016, 05:34 PM
Yes Spence. The kids at Yale who protested about giving someone else the right to free speech, are disenfranchised and are the victims of inequality. Many of the riots re on college campuses.
Yes, because some in their formative years are frustrated with what they see as societal disenfranchisement and inequality.

buckman
03-21-2016, 07:30 PM
Yes, because some in their formative years are frustrated with what they see as societal disenfranchisement and inequality.

Wait ...what ???
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Jim in CT
03-21-2016, 07:39 PM
Wait ...what ???
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I think it goes something like this...I am putting on my Spence cap here, so bear with me...

These trust fund babies at Yale are upset about the plight of the poor blacks that they read about when they were at Phillips Exeter Academy (not so frustrated that they are willing to give up their trust funds, naturally). Because they are outraged by this, they go berserk when Ann Coulter wants to give a speech or when a sports team is named after Native Americans or when the value of their trust fund increases with the stock market. And what better way to help eliminate the plight of poor blacks, than by throwing a rock at a random cop, or disrupting a Trump rally.

Liberals who are so outraged at the plight of the poor that they are pushed to the point of throwing rocks at police, are naturally morally superior to conservatives who merely want to adapt economic polices that will help blacks escape poverty.

That was my short trip into the Twilight Zone.

scottw
03-21-2016, 11:30 PM
"seems like it is the Trump supporters getting arrested for sucker punching people"

https://youtu.be/3Lgeuqv35OM

Slipknot
03-22-2016, 07:45 AM
Great video
Great points made
I hope the media does show all the stuff he mentioned, but apparently it does not fit their sgenda much like you don't see anything of the 4 illegals beating and raping in Framingham last week.

My thoughts on the protesting are if they are this bad now, I can't imagine what it will be like when he is President for the next 4 years.
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Nebe
03-22-2016, 08:35 AM
My thoughts on the protesting are if they are this bad now, I can't imagine what it will be like when he is President for the next 4 years.
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Not when. IF.
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The Dad Fisherman
03-22-2016, 09:52 AM
Wait ...what ???
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Hey, you need to check your "Privilege"!!
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buckman
03-22-2016, 10:03 AM
Hey, you need to check your "Privilege"!!
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After my 10 hr day, I will get right on that . I need to work on my compassion
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buckman
03-24-2016, 01:35 PM
Maybe we need to back off on this Trump phenomenon before someone gets really hurt ..

Emory University offers 'emergency counseling' to students after they were 'traumatized' when someone wrote "Trump 2016" in chalk around campus...
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Jim in CT
03-24-2016, 01:47 PM
Maybe we need to back off on this Trump phenomenon before someone gets really hurt ..

Emory University offers 'emergency counseling' to students after they were 'traumatized' when someone wrote "Trump 2016" in chalk around campus...
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I saw at! Amazing. You see a message that says "Trump 2016", and that causes you to need emergency counseling. Have fun in the real world, cupcake!

Nebe
03-24-2016, 03:48 PM
Lol
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The Dad Fisherman
03-24-2016, 05:08 PM
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/64908459.jpg
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buckman
03-31-2016, 11:44 AM
I think he really screwed up on Mathews abortion question . Really stupid for allowing himself to be played like that . He should have just said President's don't make laws or set penalties , they uphold the law , something the current President doesn't do .
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Nebe
03-31-2016, 12:54 PM
He doesn't want to actually win, so you will see him start saying REALLY crazy things in the coming month/months.... this is all just a stunt.

JohnR
03-31-2016, 01:51 PM
I think he really screwed up on Mathews abortion question . Really stupid for allowing himself to be played like that . He should have just said President's don't make laws or set penalties , they uphold the law , something the current President doesn't do .
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Sadly, he has made other extreme upgefuchts on NatSec/ForPol issues for months now. His few advisors are lame and some have questionable connections. And he rarely consults them. I know/follow a few wonks that have worked with Romney and Rubio and they are crying in their beer over this guy.

I think Spence has a better foreign policy grasp and awareness than does DT (not a dig on Spence) even though I rarely agree with him).

He doesn't want to actually win, so you will see him start saying REALLY crazy things in the coming month/months.... this is all just a stunt.

Could be.

RIROCKHOUND
03-31-2016, 02:03 PM
Sadly, he has made other extreme upgefuchts on NatSec/ForPol issues for months now. His few advisors are lame and some have questionable connections.



We was asked this last night at the town hall and gave a squirrelly answer that he'll be telling everyone who his advisors are soon.

I liked his answer a week or so ago; he consults himself because he has a 'good brain'

scottw
03-31-2016, 04:21 PM
He doesn't want to actually win, so you will see him start saying REALLY crazy things in the coming month/months.... this is all just a stunt.

he's definitely enjoying himself

The Dad Fisherman
03-31-2016, 08:05 PM
I liked his answer a week or so ago; he consults himself because he has a 'good brain'

Well, at least he's one up on the Scarecrow....he'll need that when he goes up against the Wicked Witch of the West
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