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Vindman is not the one being impeached so don’t deflect with that and yet another but Obama.


Vindman's allegiance to Ukraine and his feeling that Trump was threatening opportunities for Ukraine to get US assistance, is the entire reason for all of this. Without Vindman's "concern" that Ukraine lives were at risk without this aid, none of this would be happening. It is within reason to wonder if he has fully expressed his motivation for this 2019 action (and to be curious about his previous inaction on behalf of Ukraine, when Obozo refused to help) . . .

We could ask what was Obozo's reasoning for substituting blankets for Javelins as Russian tanks were rolling, and just who the hell did he think he was, deciding by himself and in opposition to his diplomatic corps, such an important foreign policy position when Ukraininan lives were in the balance?

Was Vindman either too stupid or too much of a yes man working in Obozo's White House back then to "resist" or share with others his concern that Ukraine was under threat of being sacrificed to Russia by the actions of a rogue President?

I believe those are questions Vindman should be asked.

Calling Floridaman’s actions “foreign policy” won’t change the fact that he attempted to secretly subvert Congress’ constitutional authority by coercing a foreign government to investigate a U.S. citizen for his own personal gain.

Again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).

A high crime by another name is still a crime.

And leftist Trump haters using the impeachment process when no crime has been committed just to interfere with an upcoming election, is just as criminal.

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Vindman's allegiance to Ukraine
Shameful.

I was thinking more along the lines of scummy when I just read that post.

Sedition!

Vindman's allegiance to Ukraine and his feeling that Trump was threatening opportunities for Ukraine to get US assistance, is the entire reason for all of this. Without Vindman's "concern" that Ukraine lives were at risk without this aid, none of this would be happening. It is within reason to wonder if he has fully expressed his motivation for this 2019 action (and to be curious about his previous inaction on behalf of Ukraine, when Obozo refused to help) . . .

The phone call is the reason, Vindman was by no means alone in his reaction to Trumps actions but if you want to use as you say "Again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion)."


We could ask what was Obozo's reasoning for substituting blankets for Javelins as Russian tanks were rolling, and just who the hell did he think he was, deciding by himself and in opposition to his diplomatic corps, such an important foreign policy position when Ukraininan lives were in the balance?

Was Vindman either too stupid or too much of a yes man working in Obozo's White House back then to "resist" or share with others his concern that Ukraine was under threat of being sacrificed to Russia by the actions of a rogue President?

I believe those are questions Vindman should be asked.

Obama rejected a request from Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko for lethal aid in 2014, though the White House approved a $53 million aid package that included vehicles, patrol boats, body armor and night-vision goggles, as well as humanitarian assistance.

U.S. officials were concerned that providing the Javelins to Ukraine would escalate their conflict with Russia. Key allies, including Germany, were not keen on sending weapons into the conflict zone, said Michael Kofman, an expert on Russia and senior research scientist at the CNA Corporation.

Between 2014 and 2016, the United States committed more than $600 million in security assistance to Ukraine.

Under Obama, the federal government started the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative, which sent other kinds of U.S. military equipment to the country. From 2016 to 2019, Congress appropriated $850 million.

In the last year of the Obama administration, Congress authorized lethal aid, but it didn’t include the Javelins.

But it's all Obama or is it your Trumplican narrative



Again, a characterization based in feelings that flow from your political agenda, supported by confirmation bias (AKA, a propagandized personal opinion).



And leftist Trump haters using the impeachment process when no crime has been committed just to interfere with an upcoming election, is just as criminal.

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Keep acting as another of Putin's Puppets, Floridaman is still the conman he has been for his entire life. It's catching up with him now, in his private life and business he was always able to throw up a smokescreen and you can waste a lot of resources pursuing an idiot.
People dealt with him in business and knew how to restrain him, bankers and investors just made it so he couldn't get his hand in the cookie jar. He was willing to do or say anything as long as you threw him a few bucks and he could get you lots of media exposure. Always a balancing act.
What he is doing now matters, there are few restraints on the position of president, his lack of skill is showing and his con isn't holding up.

He is committing crimes in plain view, claiming everyone does it.

Shameful.


Do you need a tissue?

Vindman's concern was first framed in how he "didn't think it proper" to ask the Ukraine to assist an investigation into "a US citizen".

He felt "the call" could impact US assistance to Ukraine because if Ukraine did help it could be perceived to be partisan. Such a perception could result in a negative feeling in Congress, eroding support for Ukraine being awarded aid packages in the future.

He applied his feelings to conjure these "conclusions" and couched that concern in the magic words "national security".

He then "reported his concerns" to the NSC's legal counsel . . . AKA, his twin brother.

I stand by my statement that Vindman's (both of them) primary concern was perpetuating and enhancing pro- Ukrainian positions within the US government . . . As such, his motivations and actions are certainly subject to inquiry.

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That's a whole lot of smoke.............

So what was Trump's reason for withholding aid to Ukraine?

Keep acting as another of Putin's Puppets,


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Do you need a tissue?

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spence is pretty fragile

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Do you need a tissue?

So what was Trump's reason for withholding aid to Ukraine?

Trump holds a rally for Matt Bevin in Kentucky last week, and Matt Bevin loses.

Trump goes to the Alabama football game this weekend, and Alabama loses.

Trump tweets his support for Sean Spicer on Dancing with the Stars, and Sean Spicer loses.

Donald Trump is a loser, get over it.

Expect Trump to force Bill Barr to open an investigation on how Sean Spicer got voted off Dancing with the Stars

Trump deleted his tweet asking for votes for Spicy, can't handle a loser.

Nov 11, 2019 08:33:57 PM
Vote for Sean Spicer on Dancing with the Stars. He is a great and very loyal guy who is working very hard. He is in the quarterfinals - all the way with Sean! #MAGA #KAG

Trump holds a rally for Matt Bevin in Kentucky last week, and Matt Bevin loses.

Trump goes to the Alabama football game this weekend, and Alabama loses.

Trump tweets his support for Sean Spicer on Dancing with the Stars, and Sean Spicer loses.

Donald Trump is a loser, get over it.

Expect Trump to force Bill Barr to open an investigation on how Sean Spicer got voted off Dancing with the Stars

also...he's caused you to lose your mind sooooo....

He sure as #^&#^&#^&#^& did not lose to Hilarity.
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That's a whole lot of smoke.............

So what was Trump's reason for withholding aid to Ukraine?

Trump stated it many times; even in the call when Trump said Zelenskyy was "surrounding himself with the same people" . . . That would be the same corrupt people that colluded and conspired with the DNC in 2016, and covered for Crowdstrike and coddled Burisma.

Trump feared that those "very bad people" would have significant roles in the new administration, that was why the aid was held up . . .

You should familiarize yourself with the timeline of events; the July 18th suspension of aid, the July 21st parliamentary elections and the July 25th call. In the call, Zelenskyy reassured Trump that he won a significant majority and he would get to choose the government and no remnants of the old government would be in power.

Another view can be seen in how Trump's concerns were perceived by someone who has testified, you should read Volker's statement where he relates his concerns about the "negative narratives" pertaining to Ukrainian corruption that Trump was hearing from Giuliani and others.

Feel free to not bother yourself with such trivialities though, you have your spoon-fed narrative that fits your politics and it has served you well so far.

Problem is, since your narrative is reliant on everything being completely mischaracterized and misrepresented, you should hope that deception won't be remedied anytime soon.

You should look before your narrow timeline

June 8, 2017 – Giuliani meets with Ukrainian leaders

July 25, 2017 – President Trump issues a public call for an investigation of the 2016 Manafort revelations in Ukraine

May-June 2018 — Ukrainian-American businessman Lev Parnas presses then-U.S. Congressman Pete Sessions, a Texas Republican, to urge the administration to remove or recall Ambassador Yovanovitch from her post in Kyiv, around the same time as Parnas and Belarusian-American associate Igor Fruman, both residents of Florida, commit to raising money for Session’s re-election campaign.

August 2018 — Lev Parnas’ company, Boca Raton, Florida-based Fraud Guarantee (its website says it aims to “reduce and mitigate fraud”), hires Giuliani Partners, the former mayor’s management and security consulting firm, according to Reuters. “Giuliani said he was hired to consult on Fraud Guarantee’s technologies and provide legal advice on regulatory issues,” Reuters reported. Giuliani ultimately is paid $500,000 for the work. Parnas and Fruman work with Giuliani in spring 2019 to press for Ambassador Yovanovitch’s ouster

Sept. 28, 2018 — Congress passes a spending bill for the Department of Defense that includes $250 million in military aid under the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative (USAI). The money must be disbursed by Sept. 30, 2019.

Late 2018 — Parnas and Fruman arrange a Skype call between Giuliani and Shokin, according to a joint investigation by the nonprofit Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) and BuzzFeed News, as published by OCCRP. The two businessmen also connect Giuliani with then-Prosecutor General Lutsenko. Giuliani invites Lutsenko to his office in New York, a meeting they arrange for January.

Lutsenko told the LA Times that he had numerous conversations with Guiliani on the phone. He also tells the paper that Giuliani pressed him repeatedly to open an investigation on the Bidens and Burisma, even though Lutsenko had seen no evidence of legal wrongdoing.

January 2019 — Giuliani and Ukraine general prosecutor Lutsenko meet for first time, New York

Giuliani and Lutsenko meet in New York over the space of two-to-three days. They discuss “the Ukrainian political situation and the fight against corruption,” Bloomberg News reports, paraphrasing Lutsenko. “Giuliani asked him about investigations into the owner of Burisma, Mykola Zlochevsky, as well as whether the U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, was `not loyal to President Trump,’” the article says.

The two met “multiple times” during those days in New York, and Lutsenko told associates that, during their first meeting in January, Giuliani excitedly called Trump to brief the President on what he had found, the New York Times reported. Giuliani “acknowledged that he has discussed the matter with the president on multiple occasions,” the Times wrote.

Mid-February 2019 — Giuliani and Ukraine general prosecutor Lutsenko meet for second time, Warsaw

Giuliani meets with Lutsenko again in Warsaw, joined by Parnas, according to the OCCRP/BuzzFeed report, as published by Buzzfeed. U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Russian President Vladimir Putin reportedly were in town, too, for a U.S.-led Middle East conference.

Early March 2019 — State Department asks Ambassador Yovanovitch to extend her term in Ukraine until 2020, according to her prepared remarks to the House investigation.

March 2019 –- Ukraine Prosecutor General Lutsenko opens two investigations — one into the 2016 U.S. presidential election and a second into Burisma and Biden.

Following his meetings with Giuliani, Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko announces he is opening two investigations.

“The decision to reopen the investigation into Burisma was made … by the current Ukrainian prosecutor general [Lutsenko], who had cleared Hunter Biden’s employer more than two years ago. The announcement … was seen in some quarters as an effort by the prosecutor general, Yuriy Lutsenko, to curry favor from the Trump administration for his boss and ally, the incumbent president,” the New York Times reported (in May 2019).

Lutsenko also tells the Hill’s conservative columnist John Solomon, “Today we will launch a criminal investigation about” the Manafort disclosure in the 2016 election.

March 20, 2019 – The Hill’s conservative opinion writer John Solomon publishes an interview with Ukrainian Prosecutor General Lutsenko, who by this point has been widely criticized as ineffective and likely corrupt.

[Note: Lutsenko later retracts many of his allegations, including against the Bidens (May 16 Bloomberg interview, Sept. 29 LA Times interview) and the U.S. Embassy‘s involvement in the 2016 election.]

March 24, 2019 – Donald Trump Jr. tweets criticism of U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Yovanovitch, calling her a “joker” and linking to a conservative media outlet’s article about calls for her ouster. The two incidents are part of a pattern of conservative attacks against the ambassador. Within less than two months, Yovanovitch is recalled to Washington.

March 31, 2019 — First round of Ukraine’s presidential election, which results in runoff between Zelenskyy and Poroshenko scheduled for April 21.

April 1, 2019 – The Hill newspaper publishes another article online by the same conservative investigative columnist John Solomon that advances the Trump-Giuliani story about Biden. The article reports that Shokin had said in written answers to questions that he had planned an investigation of Burisma before he was fired, including questioning all executive board members. The article says Lutsenko, Shokin’s successor, and “a case file” indicate that the Prosecutor General’s Office had handled three cases related to Burisma, and that the “most prominent” case was transferred to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine (NABU), which Solomon describes suggestively as “closely aligned with the U.S. Embassy in Kiev,” even though it had long been public knowledge that Western supporters of Ukraine and Ukrainian anti-corruption activists strongly backed the bureau. The article says NABU closed that case.

April 2019 – Hunter Biden leaves the board of Burisma Holdings, as his father announces his candidacy for the Democratic presidential nomination.

April 18, 2019 — Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s redacted report is publicly released, outlining the findings of his investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

April 21, 2019 – New Ukrainian President elected on anti-corruption agenda

Volodymyr Zelenskyy is elected president of Ukraine, to succeed Petro Poroshenko. He ran on a “zero tolerance” anti-corruption agenda.

Not long before the Ukrainian president was inaugurated in May, an associate of Rudolph W. Giuliani’s journeyed to Kiev to deliver a warning to the country’s new leadership, a lawyer for Lev Parnas said.

The associate, Lev Parnas, told a representative of the incoming government that it had to announce an investigation into Mr. Trump’s political rival, Joseph R. Biden Jr., and his son, or else Vice President Mike Pence would not attend the swearing-in of the new president, and the United States would freeze aid, the lawyer said.

Now your timeline starts, so just keep believing. As usual if you follow the money around Floridaman it leads to Russia.
Just who did Rudy want money from in his buttdial and who was the source?
Who was funding Parnas and Fruman?
Who is funding Rudy?

the July 18th suspension of aid, the July 21st parliamentary elections and the July 25th call. In the call, Zelenskyy reassured Trump that he won a significant majority and he would get to choose the government and no remnants of the old government would be in power.

Trump stated it many times; even in the call when Trump said Zelenskyy was "surrounding himself with the same people" . . . That would be the same corrupt people that colluded and conspired with the DNC in 2016, and covered for Crowdstrike and coddled Burisma.

Trump feared that those "very bad people" would have significant roles in the new administration, that was why the aid was held up . . .

You should familiarize yourself with the timeline of events; the July 18th suspension of aid, the July 21st parliamentary elections and the July 25th call. In the call, Zelenskyy reassured Trump that he won a significant majority and he would get to choose the government and no remnants of the old government would be in power.

Another view can be seen in how Trump's concerns were perceived by someone who has testified, you should read Volker's statement where he relates his concerns about the "negative narratives" pertaining to Ukrainian corruption that Trump was hearing from Giuliani and others.

Feel free to not bother yourself with such trivialities though, you have your spoon-fed narrative that fits your politics and it has served you well so far.

Problem is, since your narrative is reliant on everything being completely mischaracterized and misrepresented, you should hope that deception won't be remedied anytime soon.



Take about being spoon feed .. hell your on IV kool aid .. is info wars your source material. How about some supporting link or factual info or is regurgitating conspiracy theories all you have?

Or are you one of the Trump cult that loves to tell us what he ment to say and do. Even after hearing what he said and did?? . Amazing
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You should look before your narrow timeline. . .
Who is funding Rudy?


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Take about being spoon feed .. hell your on IV kool aid .. is info wars your source material. How about some supporting link or factual info or is regurgitating conspiracy theories all you have?

Or are you one of the Trump cult that loves to tell us what he ment to say and do. Even after hearing what he said and did?? . Amazing
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What do you want to see, screengrabs of the call that I mention, quotes from Volker's statement?

This entire "thing" is about Trump's intent, why was the aid held up????

I contend the reason is simply what Trump has always maintained; he wasn't sending millions of dollars to a corrupt government.


Plenty of people have said that was a primary concern of Trump's, plenty of people have acknowledged that corruption was Normal Operating Procedure for all things Ukrainian and Zelenskyy ran on a platform of eradicating it . . . Trump wanted assurances that was happening before he released the $$$$$$.


OTOH, you guys have an ever evolving Rube Goldberg of feelings and interpretations of impressions of second hand water-cooler innuendo and gossip of Trump-hating leftist A-holes.

A-holes who resented to their core that Trump would dare proceed with any foreign policy without their direction, approval and hand-holding, thus the Marxist pogrom of seditious leaks and duplicitous backstabbing of Trump, all towards undermining him with supporters and culminating in this attempted soft coup, disguised as impeachment intended to influence the 2020 election.

May you cry inconsolably when he is reelected and be rendered so emotionally incapacitated that no therapy can help; you deserve nothing less!


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I'm an idiot who can't use the quote function correctly, let alone image tags


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Good thing the impeachment hearings are based on sworn testimony and not memes :jester:
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Good thing the impeachment hearings are based on sworn testimony and not memes :jester:
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Can you really swear to be truthful in your recollection of what your impression was of someone else's impression of what someone else said they heard someone else say?


Trump's done for now!

Can you really swear to be truthful in your recollection of what your impression was of someone else's impression of what someone else said they heard someone else say?


Trump's done for now!
Sure, especially when there are notes, texts and seriously credible professionals.

Keep spinning, smearing good people and trying to throw sand in everyone’s eyes. It’s not working.
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What do you want to see, screengrabs of the call that I mention, quotes from Volker's statement?

This entire "thing" is about Trump's intent, why was the aid held up????

I contend the reason is simply what Trump has always maintained; he wasn't sending millions of dollars to a corrupt government.


Plenty of people have said that was a primary concern of Trump's, plenty of people have acknowledged that corruption was Normal Operating Procedure for all things Ukrainian and Zelenskyy ran on a platform of eradicating it . . . Trump wanted assurances that was happening before he released the $$$$$$.


OTOH, you guys have an ever evolving Rube Goldberg of feelings and interpretations of impressions of second hand water-cooler innuendo and gossip of Trump-hating leftist A-holes.

A-holes who resented to their core that Trump would dare proceed with any foreign policy without their direction, approval and hand-holding, thus the Marxist pogrom of seditious leaks and duplicitous backstabbing of Trump, all towards undermining him with supporters and culminating in this attempted soft coup, disguised as impeachment intended to influence the 2020 election.

May you cry inconsolably when he is reelected and be rendered so emotionally incapacitated that no therapy can help; you deserve nothing less!


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In true Trumplican fashion modeled after the master with a slightly nuanced twist on “many people say”
Impressive, not

Tomorrow the very noble leader of Turkey will visit, are his thugs coming with him, will they speak of corruption and laundering Iranian funds.
You’re dreaming if you think Trump cares about corruption
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Tomorrow the very noble leader of Turkey will visit, are his thugs coming with him, will they speak of corruption and laundering Iranian funds
Maybe they’ll beat up some protesters again.
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Perhaps this would shed some light on the “corruption” issue in Ukraine

Long before President Trump ordered a halt to security assistance, the Secretary of Defense—in coordination with Secretary Pompeo—twice certified that Ukraine had made sufficient reforms to decrease corruption and increase accountability, and that the country could ensure accountability for U.S. provided military equipment. Further, after OMB held the assistance to Ukraine in July, the Department of Defense (DOD) conducted an additional analysis and concluded that the assistance was effective and should be resumed. [Amb. Taylor testimony, 10/22/19]. Finally, before the July 2019 hold, the Trump administration had approved sending foreign assistance to Ukraine nearly 50 separate times without ever holding it because of concerns that it would be diverted due to corruption.

Congress Mandated Corruption Certifications: In 2016, Congress began requiring a certification for a portion of the funds from the congressionally-created Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative. [P.L. 114-328, FY2017 NDAA]. To spend more than half of the authorized funds, DOD, in coordination with the State Department, must certify that certain anti-corruption reforms have taken place. The eligible amount has varied based on authorizations, but, for FY2019, $125 million was subject to certification.

The Certifications: DOD’s certifications specifically noted that Ukraine had improved its ability to ensure accountability of U.S.-provided military equipment—raising the question of why Pompeo did not trust an assessment that he had twice approved. To issue the certification, DOD assessed civilian control of the military, oversight of the military, transparency and accountability in defense procurement, and inventory management in the defense industrial sector, among other things. DOD certified both times that substantial actions had been taken sufficient to comply with the law.

On July 13, 2018, DOD certified that Ukraine had taken actions sufficient to release security assistance funds. DOD cited passage of a national security law that supported reforms for civilian control of the military, parliamentary oversight of the defense sector, and transparency in defense budgets. Notably, the assessment stated that Ukraine had improved its ability to ensure accountability for U.S. provided equipment. [DOD CN].
On May 23, 2019, DOD again certified that Ukraine had taken substantial actions to decrease corruption, increase accountability, and sustained improved combat capability enabled by U.S. assistance. DOD recommended providing $125 million in military assistance, including for counter-artillery radars and defensive weapons. According to DOD, the U.S. had helped Ukraine advance reforms, including adopting legislation to reform defense procurement, and strengthened civilian control of the military reform. The certification further noted that Ukraine had improved its ability to ensure accountability for U.S. provided equipment. [DOD CN].

I guess this was due to the incompetent management of the Floridaman administration or did it just not align with their narrative
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Let's say for argument’s sake that Hunter Biden was really part of some corruption. That wouldn’t justify Floridaman withholding aid or having his minions insist on a public announcement aimed not at reducing corruption but at providing ammunition against Floridaman’s likely opponent. Everything about Rudy's theatrics and the need for a public announcement shows this. So does Floridaman’s and his Trumplicans inability to point to any investigations of corruption he has asked for that do not involve Biden.
So the impeachment investigation is about what Floridaman was asking for and why, and that doesn't change even if you think that Hunter Biden was guilty of something. There is no mystery about Joe Biden's actions to get the prosecutor in Ukraine fired, that was an international goal targeted at reducing corruption, and there's no indication (indeed, there is evidence to the contrary) that it was to inhibit investigation into Hunter. So this is a side show.
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Let's say for argument’s sake that Hunter Biden was really part of some corruption. That wouldn’t justify Floridaman withholding aid or having his minions insist on a public announcement aimed not at reducing corruption but at providing ammunition against Floridaman’s likely opponent. Everything about Rudy's theatrics and the need for a public announcement shows this. So does Floridaman’s and his Trumplicans inability to point to any investigations of corruption he has asked for that do not involve Biden.
So the impeachment investigation is about what Floridaman was asking for and why, and that doesn't change even if you think that Hunter Biden was guilty of something. There is no mystery about Joe Biden's actions to get the prosecutor in Ukraine fired, that was an international goal targeted at reducing corruption, and there's no indication (indeed, there is evidence to the contrary) that it was to inhibit investigation into Hunter. So this is a side show.
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:deadhorse: Borrriiiing . . .

NY Post cover for the Shiff Show tomorrow . . .


Nails it!


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Here's the schedule for the Best of Show competition next week; I hope Schiff has plenty of treats!


Nov 19
Jennifer Williams
Kurt Volker
Alexander Vindman
Tim Morrison

Nov20
Gordon Sondland
Laura Cooper
David Hale

Nov 21
Fiona Hill

Never seen a prosecutor start a trial if he didn’t think he could convict
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I feel you may be too invested here PeteF. The stupid is flowing at a rapid pace with little to show for it.
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NY Post cover for the Shiff Show tomorrow . . .


Nails it!


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I forgot - so who is guilty of sedition?

Never seen a prosecutor start a trial if he didn’t think he could convict
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And there's the rub.

The Dems know they can't win a conviction as an actual conclusion to impeachment proceedings; they are doing all this for a "conviction" in the ream of public opinion.

Trump haters are with them just because, well "TRUMP!" . . . The objective is soften support among Republican's so they engineer an ending like Nixon, a resignation from shear lack of confidence.

Problem is, this has only demonstrated the duplicitousness of Democrats and the testimony will show just what Trump was up against . . . Not being able to trust anyone in government, the FBI, the Intelligence Community, the diplomatic corps, none could be trusted to execute their duties to actually fulfill the objectives of the new administration. All they could be counted on was to spy, leak, sabotage and undermine . . .

All this will only solidify support for Trump out of shear hate, fire-breathing, bulldoze the bodies hate in those who see what liberals / leftists / progressives / statist authoritarians actually are and recognize that they believe in nothing but scorched-earth. Any talk from your side about cooperation and civility is only to calm us down before you slip the knife in our backs.

Congratulations, you have exposed yourselves as the contemptuous children you really are and let everyone know that you are completely incapable of playing nicely with others and put us on notice that we are in for a real temper tantrum in 2020. That's OK, you should watch yourselves though; bongs, double ended dildos and butt plugs aren't really weapons one can fight real battles with.


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Never seen a prosecutor start a trial if he didn’t think he could convict
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Tell that to the liberal activist Moseley in Baltimore, or the Duke lacrosse prosecutor. Nah, lawyers are never motivated by politics.
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I forgot - so who is guilty of sedition?


Why don't you post a definition of "sedition" that you agree with and then we can go through each person's actions.


Off the bat I do rescind my belief that the Vindman might have been an honorable man (giving him the benefit of the doubt out of respect for the uniform). Rep Ratcliffe practically walked Vindman into admitting UCMJ Article 92 and Article 88 violations, and would have if Vindman's attorney didn't recognize where the questioning was headed.


F him and his twin brother (the NSA's ethics lawyer LOL, that Vindman told of his "troubles" with the call).

Why don't you post a definition of "sedition" that you agree with and then we can go through each person's actions.
Well I'm smart enough to know the people you've tried to slime aren't guilty of sedition.

Off the bat I do rescind my belief that the Vindman might have been an honorable man (giving him the benefit of the doubt out of respect for the uniform). Rep Ratcliffe practically walked Vindman into admitting UCMJ Article 92 and Article 88 violations, and would have if Vindman's attorney didn't recognize where the questioning was headed.


F him and his twin brotherclassy (the NSA's ethics lawyer LOL, that Vindman told of his "troubles" with the call).

nm

Tell that to the liberal activist Moseley in Baltimore, or the Duke lacrosse prosecutor. Nah, lawyers are never motivated by politics.


As we see across the nation with Soros backed leftists winning DA elections. Those scumbags are quite willing to sacrifice the lives and fortunes of law-abiding citizens to advance the corrupt social-justice agenda.

And when any prosecutor can nail up a scalp that advances their career, the rule of law, officer of the court duty, ethics and honor go right out the window.

We are moving to the point where the election will de the authoritarians vs the Democrats.
Many people say that if Floridaman wins he will rename his party
The Trump Party 🥌
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And there's the rub.

The Dems know they can't win a conviction as an actual conclusion to impeachment proceedings; they are doing all this for a "conviction" in the ream of public opinion.

Trump haters are with them just because, well "TRUMP!" . . . The objective is soften support among Republican's so they engineer an ending like Nixon, a resignation from shear lack of confidence.

Problem is, this has only demonstrated the duplicitousness of Democrats and the testimony will show just what Trump was up against . . . Not being able to trust anyone in government, the FBI, the Intelligence Community, the diplomatic corps, none could be trusted to execute their duties to actually fulfill the objectives of the new administration. All they could be counted on was to spy, leak, sabotage and undermine . . .

All this will only solidify support for Trump out of shear hate, fire-breathing, bulldoze the bodies hate in those who see what liberals / leftists / progressives / statist authoritarians actually are and recognize that they believe in nothing but scorched-earth. Any talk from your side about cooperation and civility is only to calm us down before you slip the knife in our backs.

Congratulations, you have exposed yourselves as the contemptuous children you really are and let everyone know that you are completely incapable of playing nicely with others and put us on notice that we are in for a real temper tantrum in 2020. That's OK, you should watch yourselves though; bongs, double ended dildos and butt plugs aren't really weapons one can fight real battles with.


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Interesting that a Trumplican claims that others don’t play nicely and then goes on to demonstrate just how to play nicely
Floridaman can move his base from 40% to 41% and Americans outside that say NFW do we identify with his ideology.
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Laughable position.

Do you believe that there is a general risk for an incoming administration in allowing "holdovers" to remain in sensitive positions?

If so, why?
If not, definitely explain why . . .

Do you deny the existence of "The Resistance" in current federal government employees and that they were, and are, motivated to frustrate if not sabotage the Trump administration?

What were your thoughts on the NY Times "I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/05/opinion/trump-white-house-anonymous-resistance.html)" anonymous essay published in Sept, '18? It was very well received by the left, the author was granted instant hero status.

On the Wiki page about the essay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Am_Part_of_the_Resistance_Inside_the_Trump_Admin istration) it is said,

"The author of the essay writes that they, and many of their colleagues, deliberately fail to follow some directives from the president when they feel the proposal would be bad for the country, "working diligently" to block his "worst inclinations"."
Do you believe it was just fictional political porn for leftists to fantasize about?

There was news recently saying the same source has written a book, coming out in less than a week (https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/anonymous-trump-official-who-wrote-resistance-op-ed-has-penned-n1070176)! I'm sure it will be a flop because really, such a story is ridiculous isn't it?

We are moving to the point where the election will de the authoritarians vs the Democrats.


Correct, on the Democrat side it will be a primary pitting rights eliminating statist authoritarians against the few reasonable Democrats cowering in the corner fearing for their lives.

The general election will simply be a choice between load your enemies in cattle cars communism and not communism yet.

Correct, on the Democrat side it will be a primary pitting rights eliminating statist authoritarians against the few reasonable Democrats cowering in the corner fearing for their lives.

The general election will simply be a choice between load your enemies in cattle cars communism and not communism yet.

Take another hit on that pipe

Authoritarians have hidden in many ideologies but most have been populists like Floridaman
Believe only me, not your eyes or ears
The media is fake
It is us against.....,,,
Label your enemies

Keep believing
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Laughable position.


Do you mean that it's laughable that I know the people you constantly try to slime aren't guilty of sedition or that you have no class for saying "F" to Vindman and his brother?

Do you mean that it's laughable that I know the people you constantly try to slime aren't guilty of sedition or that you have no class for saying "F" to Vindman and his brother?

Well, I know you will not post a definition of the word sedition nor will you address my questions in the context of the actions of some people that were working within, but in opposition to, the Trump administration.

It's clear you will not consider any discussion on "The Resistance" and its operations within the Trump administration, even when presented with self-admitted screeds attesting to such actions.

Such bald superficiality is not a good character trait.

Thus it's clear you have no intellectual integrity so that's why I understand that the only reason you vouch for the veracity of these people is that they are being employed in this attack on Trump, an attack that you would support for no other reason than it is opposing Bad Orange Man.

That's why no one takes you seriously and we laugh at your sorrowful bleating about Trump.


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Authoritarians have hidden in many ideologies

No laws for some, authoritarianism for others.

The leftist way.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/11/08/feces-prostitutes-needles-jawaid-bazyar-curtis-street-business/

Floridaman thinks he's creating a diversion by having Erdogan at the WH for a presser this afternoon.
He’s wrong. Erdogan is the enemy of the U.S. and Floridaman allowed him to slaughter Kurd families.
He's just giving Senators on the fence cover to jump it.
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Thus it's clear you have no intellectual integrity so that's why I understand that the only reason you vouch for the veracity of these people is that they are being employed in this attack on Trump, an attack that you would support for no other reason than it is opposing Bad Orange Man.

That's why no one takes you seriously and we laugh at your sorrowful bleating about Trump.


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What a clown. As I said your claiming people are guilty of sedition shows your scumminess and your saying "F" to Vindman and his brother shows your lack of class.

What a clown. As I said your claiming people are guilty of sedition shows your scumminess and your saying "F" to Vindman and his brother shows your lack of class.

like a broken record....

No laws for some, authoritarianism for others.

The leftist way.

https://denver.cbslocal.com/2019/11/08/feces-prostitutes-needles-jawaid-bazyar-curtis-street-business/

Quite comical to claim as a Trumplican that the rule of law matters and people #^&#^&#^&#^&ting in the street is a sure indicator of the failure of Democrats
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like a broken record....

All he does is comment on people’s posts with nothing to add.
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What do you want to see, screengrabs of the call that I mention, quotes from Volker's statement?

This entire "thing" is about Trump's intent, why was the aid held up????

I contend the reason is simply what Trump has always maintained; he wasn't sending millions of dollars to a corrupt government.


Plenty of people have said that was a primary concern of Trump's, plenty of people have acknowledged that corruption was Normal Operating Procedure for all things Ukrainian and Zelenskyy ran on a platform of eradicating it . . . Trump wanted assurances that was happening before he released the $$$$$$.


OTOH, you guys have an ever evolving Rube Goldberg of feelings and interpretations of impressions of second hand water-cooler innuendo and gossip of Trump-hating leftist A-holes.

A-holes who resented to their core that Trump would dare proceed with any foreign policy without their direction, approval and hand-holding, thus the Marxist pogrom of seditious leaks and duplicitous backstabbing of Trump, all towards undermining him with supporters and culminating in this attempted soft coup, disguised as impeachment intended to influence the 2020 election.

May you cry inconsolably when he is reelected and be rendered so emotionally incapacitated that no therapy can help; you deserve nothing less!


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A lot of words ..just to say you got no factual infomation to back up everything your spewing..

Ps what kinda of American are you trying to get back to? When was it acceptable?

LOVED Nunes opening statement at the hearings . All conspiracy and but but Obama and Hillary. And the steel dossiers

Key phrases that give guys like you a woodie
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like a broken record....

You haven't added anything in months. That is what happens when you post in the same forum as SD - your brain turns to mush.

All he does is comment on people’s posts with nothing to add.
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You've bc a parody of yourself!

You haven't added anything in months. That is what happens when you post in the same forum as SD - your brain turns to mush.

don't come back till you get some new material

don't come back till you get some new material

ok

Tell that to the liberal activist Moseley in Baltimore, or the Duke lacrosse prosecutor. Nah, lawyers are never motivated by politics.
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An impeachment is a political proceeding per the Constitution
The criminal trial could come later and would be based on the rule of law
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Next phase Republicans move into character assasination
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Sources say this is going so poorly for House Republicans that after a break Nunes is going to bring in Brett Kavanaugh to scream at everyone.

I hope these continue for a long time...dummycraps look dumber than they did during Kavanaugh...I would not have though that possible...hope they find a rape train witness or something to save this mess for them...will schiff ever learn who the whistleblower is??? :rotflmao:

I did get a laugh when White House press secretary Stephanie Grisham said President Trump not watching the impeachment hearings but was working.

2 lies in one sentence is pretty impressive, even for members of this cabinet.

they need to stop putting schif on camera...America's children will be having nightmares:eyes:

Q: In your decades of military service and diplomatic service representing the U.S. around the world, have you ever seen another example of foreign aid conditioned on the personal or political interests of the President of the United States?

Ambassador Taylor: No ... I have not.
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"You described in your text message exchanges that engaging in a scheme like this is 'crazy.' Can we also agree that it's just wrong?

TAYLOR: "Yes...holding up of security assistance...for no good policy reason...no good national security reason, is wrong."
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Welcome to the land of Floridaman aka Bizzaro world, where we see Republicans attempt to make career civil servants & war heroes the bad guys in defense of a life-long liberal, draft-dodging conman, and only Democrats stand up and defend our national security & the rule of law.

Q: In your decades of military service and diplomatic service representing the U.S. around the world, have you ever seen another example of foreign aid conditioned on the personal or political interests of the President of the United States?

Ambassador Taylor: No ... I have not.

And truthfully still haven't, your question is predicated on a conclusion that has only come being though multiple layers of other people's impressions of how they felt about what they heard other people supposedly said . . .



"You described in your text message exchanges that engaging in a scheme like this is 'crazy.' Can we also agree that it's just wrong?

TAYLOR: "Yes...holding up of security assistance...for no good policy reason...no good national security reason, is wrong."

Let me rephrase for the sake of facts and truth, IF it happened it would be wrong . . .

Saw a ton of but but Obama..

To funny they want the whistleblower to be subpoenaed.

Yet anyone with 1st hand knowledge have refused to appear if after being subpoenaed... LOL

Guess Republicans have never heard of Commanders intent, and how it works..
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And truthfully still haven't, your question is predicated on a conclusion that has only come being though multiple layers of other people's impressions of how they felt about what they heard other people supposedly said . . .

Let me rephrase for the sake of facts and truth, IF it happened it would be wrong . . .

Perhaps there are witnesses who should or could testify with first hand knowledge
Bolton
Mulvaney
Giuliani
Trump
Sounds like Sondland has splaining to do also about his phone call with Trump, though it seems it was on a non secure phone and is now just one more thing Putin has on his Puppet.

Gym Jordans defense strategy (currently) is that asking Zelensky to investigate the Bidens/2016 elections was a “corruption test,” which he “passed” by not doing.
Was this part of The Stable Genius’s plan or did the Nunes/Jordan brain trust put their combined mind to work on that.

Because by claiming this they admit that asking them to investigate was corrupt, and that aid was withheld bc of it.
Not the sharpest tools in the shed

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Only a very sharp tool can relay that info PeteF.

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Perhaps there are witnesses who should or could testify with first hand knowledge

Bolton
Mulvaney
Giuliani
Trump

Perhaps indeed!
About as much chance as Ciaramella appearing. . .

Sounds like Sondland has splaining to do also about his phone call with Trump,

Sure does, it might be nice to finally hear someone, under oath, directly quoting the President instead of third-hand Presidential mind-reading, assigning Trump all manner of motivations and purposes.

Short of that I guess Sondland will keep with the program with his "testimony" and offer what his impression was of what his aide's impression was of what Trump's intentions were on the phone conversation the aide overheard and relayed to Taylor.

though it seems it was on a non secure phone and is now just one more thing Putin has on his Puppet.

SMH, what compels you to write such stupid crap? What makes you think the US Ambassador to the European Union wouldn't possess a secure phone and/or the line he was speaking on with the President wasn't secure?

Gym Jordans defense strategy (currently) is that asking Zelensky to investigate the Bidens/2016 elections was a “corruption test,” which he “passed” by not doing.
Was this part of The Stable Genius’s plan or did the Nunes/Jordan brain trust put their combined mind to work on that.

Because by claiming this they admit that asking them to investigate was corrupt, and that aid was withheld bc of it.
Not the sharpest tools in the shed


That probably made sense to you and sounded like, really compelling when you wrote it.

Perhaps indeed!
About as much chance as Ciaramella appearing. . .



Sure does, it might be nice to finally hear someone, under oath, directly quoting the President instead of third-hand Presidential mind-reading, assigning Trump all manner of motivations and purposes.

Perhaps members of the Floridaman cabinet could testify instead of blatantly obstructing the investigation

Short of that I guess Sondland will keep with the program with his "testimony" and offer what his impression was of what his aide's impression was of what Trump's intentions were on the phone conversation the aide overheard and relayed to Taylor.
That was Sondland not his aide on the phone with Floridaman


SMH, what compels you to write such stupid crap? What makes you think the US Ambassador to the European Union wouldn't possess a secure phone and/or the line he was speaking on with the President wasn't secure?

Perhaps Sondland can answer that
His unsecured phone use concerned other witnesses, but Putin already knows what he told Floridaman to do

That probably made sense to you and sounded like, really compelling when you wrote it.
Much like your Trumplican baloney tastes to you
Keep telling yourself bull#^&#^&#^&#^& is tasty
You could get a position directly behind Floridaman with your nose up his but, but you’ll have to fight Nunes, Jordan and Ratman for position
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Just think if Rudy Giuliani, Mick Mulvaney, Rick Perry and others had anything to say that would help Trump in his impeachment battle, Trump would personally drive them to the hearing to testify. The fact that Trump ordered all of them NOT to testify proves he’s afraid of what they’d say.
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After today, I guess that's the best you can hope for.

And this was before the Floridaman’s idiots spoke today
Poll: Almost 50 percent of Americans in battleground states support impeaching and removing Trump
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Poll: Almost 50 percent of Americans in battleground states support impeaching and removing Trump

I'm surprised it isn't higher given the 90+% negative media coverage of Trump.

It's even worse on social media. Over half of my FB friends are loyal robotic Democrat union members, fellow building trades guys and family has teachers and nurses and the political stuff they share is 110% liberal narrative Occupy Democrats negative.

Quite a few are posting that today was a huge victory for the Democrats; I know they worked today without much if any chance to actually watch. It's clear they are parroting what they are hearing on media or scrolling over in their feeds. I have no question how they would answer your poll question but I know they would be unable to answer the most basic civics or political questions I would ask them.

I'm retired, I watched all but a few minutes.

Just a little logic and it becomes obvious why he’s Floridaman

Has any GOP member explained why — if as Jim Jordan says Ukraine is “one of the three most corrupt countries on the planet” — Trump trusted them to investigate two U.S. citizens for...corruption?
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Seeing the new arguments are direct conversations.

I bring up . Commanders intent.. and I'll dump it down

1st the commander (Trump) instructed his officials. What he wanted from Ukraine direction with the (three amigos) face to face

2nd these people carry out the commander's intent. By instructing people lower in the chain this is what needs to happen

3rd the planned intent of Trump is established

Lastly the plan is excuted

The success or the Failure of the plan or the lack of its completion.

Doesn't change the Truth that it was clearly conveyed as Trumps intent.. from those who Trump told

Yet Republicans spin they need to have direct conversations with Trump To understand his intent..

Is a lame defense unless you a cult member .. or never worked in a factory been in the . Military

Every man on D-day clearly understood Gen Eisenhowers . Intent with out speaking to him directly... funny it worked then,
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.. and I'll dump it down


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Only a very sharp tool can relay that info PeteF.

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All he does is comment on people’s posts with nothing to add.
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Just a little logic and it becomes obvious why he’s Floridaman

Has any GOP member explained why — if as Jim Jordan says Ukraine is “one of the three most corrupt countries on the planet” — Trump trusted them to investigate two U.S. citizens for...corruption?
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Perhaps you should direct your question to George Kent who testified that he had complete confidence in the Zelenskyy government now.

Kent also said he would love to see complete investigations begun by the Zelenskyy government into Burisma's theft and the corruption of former Ukraine officials -- Officials, including prosecutors, who were bought off to end the earlier investigation and allow all that money (some provided by the USA) to vanish."George Kent, deputy assistant secretary at the State Department, said he believed alleged corruption related to Ukrainian gas company Burisma should be investigated, a point Republicans have emphasized in their defense of President Donald Trump.

“To summarize, we thought that Mykola Zlochevsky had stolen money,” Kent said of the oligarch head of Burisma. “We thought a prosecutor had taken a bribe to shut the case, those were our main concerns."

“Are you in favor of that matter being fully investigated and prosecuted?” asked Steve Castor, Republicans' counsel on the House Intelligence Committee.

“I think since U.S. taxpayer dollars were wasted, I would love to see the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office find out who the corrupt prosecutor was and who took the bribe, and how much was paid, and that’s what I told the deputy prosecutor general on February 3, 2015,” Kent replied.

When asked if he thought individuals or organizations responsible for the bribes should be prosecuted, Kent replied, "I agree that the Ukrainian law authorities should uphold the rule of law and hold people accountable for breaking Ukrainian law.""

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/13/kent-says-hed-love-see-ukraine-gas-company-burisma-investigated/4180372002/

The call to Zelensky that is at the crux of this investigation wasn’t just “inappropriate.” It was one part of a conspiracy to withhold aid for Trumps personal gain, that took numerous people (Trump in coordination with Guiliani, Sondland, Mulvaney, Fruman, Parnas, Volker and Perry at a minimum) months to put together to bully Ukraine into announcing a politically motivated investigation. Yesterday’s hearing confirmed that and subsequent ones will build on it.

Trump claims it was not inappropriate. And his modus operandi tells us that if he gets away with something like this again as he did with Assange and Wikileaks, he’ll do it again. Because he has done it again.

:huh:

I guess he took “dumbing” it down literally


Either that, or we’re no match for his superior intellect
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Perhaps you should direct your question to George Kent who testified that he had complete confidence in the Zelenskyy government now.

Kent also said he would love to see complete investigations begun by the Zelenskyy government into Burisma's theft and the corruption of former Ukraine officials -- Officials, including prosecutors, who were bought off to end the earlier investigation and allow all that money (some provided by the USA) to vanish."George Kent, deputy assistant secretary at the State Department, said he believed alleged corruption related to Ukrainian gas company Burisma should be investigated, a point Republicans have emphasized in their defense of President Donald Trump.

“To summarize, we thought that Mykola Zlochevsky had stolen money,” Kent said of the oligarch head of Burisma. “We thought a prosecutor had taken a bribe to shut the case, those were our main concerns."

“Are you in favor of that matter being fully investigated and prosecuted?” asked Steve Castor, Republicans' counsel on the House Intelligence Committee.

“I think since U.S. taxpayer dollars were wasted, I would love to see the Ukrainian prosecutor’s office find out who the corrupt prosecutor was and who took the bribe, and how much was paid, and that’s what I told the deputy prosecutor general on February 3, 2015,” Kent replied.

When asked if he thought individuals or organizations responsible for the bribes should be prosecuted, Kent replied, "I agree that the Ukrainian law authorities should uphold the rule of law and hold people accountable for breaking Ukrainian law.""

https://www.coloradoan.com/story/news/politics/2019/11/13/kent-says-hed-love-see-ukraine-gas-company-burisma-investigated/4180372002/




I watched the hearing and have yet to see an official transcript, but when Kent was asked that question he qualified his answer quite carefully and did not say he had "complete confidence"

There was also another line of questioning about the timeline of Biden, Burisma and investigations that I don't have time to look up on video.

Some other things Kent said:

“It was unexpected, and most unfortunate, to watch some Americans — including those who allied themselves with corrupt Ukrainians in pursuit of private agendas — launch attacks on dedicated public servants advancing U.S. interests in Ukraine,” he said.

"You can't promote principled anti-corruption action without pissing off corrupt people."

“To your knowledge, is there any factual basis to support the allegation that Ukraine interfered in the 2016 election?” Goldman asked, to which Kent replied, “To my knowledge, there is no factual basis, no. … I think it’s amply clear that Russian interference was at the heart of the interference.”



Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defense Michael Carpenter also had some applicable comments:

"What strikes me about President Trump‘s efforts to smear Vice President Biden and spread a pro-Russian conspiracy theory about the 2016 election is both the degree to which Trump was willing to abuse the office of the presidency to achieve his aims, but also the types of people he and Rudy Giuliani enlisted in their effort. Partnering with henchmen like Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman is bad enough. But look closely at who Trump and Giuliani worked with in Ukraine. Viktor Shokin, Konstantin Kulyk, Yuri Lutsenko, and Dmytro Firtash are all associated with major corruption scandals. In other words, President Trump and his lawyer enlisted the most corrupt Ukrainian oligarchs and officials to carry out their scheme of pressuring the Ukrainian President. Rather than helping Zelensky to fight corruption, they dragged him into their own corruption scandal."

An impeachment is a political proceeding per the Constitution
The criminal trial could come later and would be based on the rule of law
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moving the goalposts. i was responding to your laughable comment that lawyers don’t proceed with a case unless they feel they have a good case. they’re a group that’s well known for
being motivated
by money and political ambition.
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I guess he took “dumbing” it down literally


Either that, or we’re no match for his superior intellect
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you could try to tell me how I am .. if you could ... :faga:

moving the goalposts. i was responding to your laughable comment that lawyers don’t proceed with a case unless they feel they have a good case. they’re a group that’s well known for
being motivated
by money and political ambition.
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Is your position that prosecutions in the USA occur largely for political reasons and are not governed by the rule of law?

You know how Democrats think the typical Trump voter is backwoods hillbilly trailer trash?


Here is an engineered diagram that intended to fully explain to those rubes the Democrat's argument for impeaching Trump:


https://i.postimg.cc/gkRZqrgx/Goober.jpg

Either that, or we’re no match for his superior intellect

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probably this one :btu:

You know how Democrats think the typical Trump voter is backwoods hillbilly trailer trash?


Here is an engineered diagram that intended to fully explain to those rubes the Democrat's argument for impeaching Trump:


https://i.postimg.cc/gkRZqrgx/Goober.jpg

Actually the Democrats are saying Trump organized a conspiracy to get Ukraine to publicly say they were investigating Biden and that picture is pretty close to the machinations of Floridaman and Colludy in their attempt to reach that goal.

The GOP defense theory for the debacle in Ukraine is a combination of the following: a) it ain't a bank robbery if you don't end up with the cash; b) it ain't a bank robbery if you dislike some of the bank's employees; c) I can rob any bank I want; d) it ain't a bank robbery if—look! a bird! e) it ain't a bank robbery if the robber says it isn't; f) it ain't a bank robbery if the bank's employees are too scared to finger the perp; g) it ain't a bank robbery if another bank got robbed a long time ago; h) who cares about this bank? i) bank robbery isn't illegal; j) you can't lose your job just for committing a bank robbery; k) some of the bank's employees didn't immediately realize they were being robbed; l) I'm not the only one who robs banks—everyone does it!
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Your opinion is important to....PaulS
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Well he certainly is much smarter than you.

Here comes the bus, look out Coludy

Meadows: Having spent seven hours with Ambassador Sondland, I think what you’ll find is anytime he had direct contact with the President of the United States, and not Rudy Giulinai or others, the message was clear. There was no condition placed on aid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG0Quq36c5s

Hmmm............
President Trump's personal attorney Rudy Giuliani says in a new interview that he isn't worried about the prospect of the president turning on him, but joked that he has "very good insurance" in the event that he does.

Well he certainly is much smarter than you.

Yup
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Treason, BRIBERY, or “other high Crimes or Misdemeanors”: George Mason expressly urged including “OR OTHER HIGH CRIMES OR MISDEMEANORS” in place of “OR CORRUPTION” in order to cover all ATTEMPTS to subvert the Constitution.
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Sondland and Trump calling each other on unsecured cell phones. Amateurs
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Hey he's the smartest president of all times, I'm certain that line was secure, he wouldn't be stupid like that. I'm sick of all this impeachment crap, we bribe foreign governments all the time to interfere in our elections, just get over it.

you'd think the liberal tools would be full of glee now that their impeachment wet dream has commenced....like dour Nancy however, they seem particularly prickly and less than confident :bl:

You must have watched a different hearing, the panic I saw was clearly the GOP, can’t wait for this to wrap up. They will impeach, Moscow Mitch will have a quick damn it I have to do it trial and then we can finally get the people to make up their minds in 2020. I think he should dump Pence and put Steven Miller in as his running mate, then the agenda will be right out in the open.
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can’t wait for this to wrap up.

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I hope it goes on for months

I think he should dump Pence and put Steven Miller in as his running mate, then the agenda will be right out in the open.
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Nothing will happen to the white nationalist. Another low for the cess pool in the WH.

todays line with be Ambassadors server at the POTUS pleasure he does not required a reason to remove them or shes a “Obama holdover”

President Barack Obama fired General James Mattis, the head of Central Command, the right had a meltdown.. (no support for at his pleasure)

But with Trump it is ok because he is POTUS , Trump heard it from a friend who heard it from a friend (Rudy Giuliani) Marie Yovanovitch stood in the way. ..... Trump never met of spoke to her .... Gone

its amazing to See Republican complaints about no direct contact and 2nd hand info but do the same thing and thinks its different..

these butt hurt bureaucrats are pretty funny...i wonder what schif offered them in return for their cooperation?

"heard it from a friend who....heard it from a friend who...heard it from another you've been messin' around" :hihi:

You must have watched a different hearing, the panic I saw was clearly the GOP, can’t wait for this to wrap up. They will impeach, Moscow Mitch will have a quick damn it I have to do it trial and then we can finally get the people to make up their minds in 2020. I think he should dump Pence and put Steven Miller in as his running mate, then the agenda will be right out in the open.
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panic over what? did you see jim jordan question the star witness, who admitted zero first hand
knowledge of anything?
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Jim Jordan got out the skewer.

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s don’t like him.
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Jim Jordan got out the skewer.

#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&s don’t like him.
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well he was at ohio state when some other guy assaulted a woman, so clearly that’s his fault.
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well he was at ohio state when some other guy assaulted a woman, so clearly that’s his fault.
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So that is all there is to the story - that he was at OS when some guy assaulted a women(?) and that people are blaming him?

Contrast the seriousness, depth of knowledge, and measured demeanor of Yovanovitch and other State Dept. witnesses with the clown show of this administration and their congressional cronies.

Contrast the seriousness, depth of knowledge, and measured demeanor of Yovanovitch .

she sounds like a whiny 8 year old that had her favorite doll taken away

So that is all there is to the story - that he was at OS when some guy assaulted a women(?) and that people are blaming him?

if you’re going to take the position that there’s no evidence the bidens did anything fishy in the ukraine, then you have no business concluding that jordan did
anything wrong.

An investigation done by a law firm interviewed hundreds of people, and found zero evidence that jordan knew anything. two(?) people suing the school say he was aware.

again, i’d be happy to do a complete, thorough investigation to see what he knew. as i’d be happy to investigate what the bidens did in ukraine. i’m always a fan of truth, not merely when it serves my agenda.
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if you’re going to take the position that there’s no evidence the bidens did anything fishy in the ukraine, then you have no business concluding that jordan did
anything wrong.So what is the evidence the Biden's did anything corrupt?

An investigation done by a law firm interviewed hundreds of people, and found zero evidence that jordan knew anything. two(?) people suing the school say he was aware. are you sure about that. I think you need to look into that.

again, i’d be happy to do a complete, thorough investigation to see what he knew. as i’d be happy to investigate what the bidens did in ukraine. i’m always a fan of truth, not merely when it serves my agenda.
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Can you pls. post up some links showing credible evidence Joe Biden did anything corrupt.

and in real time we have the Pres. of the US trashing and trying to destroy witnesses. How is this not witness intimidation.

What a sleazy man.

Can you pls. post up some links showing credible evidence Joe Biden did anything corrupt.

biden was the point person on ukraine, and voila, his son gets a very lucrative gig for which he had no experience. Hunters hedge fund also received a ton of money from other foreign sources ( mitt romney’s kid too). you already know this, you just don’t care because you are sympathetic to biden.
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Can you pls. post up some links showing credible evidence Joe Biden did anything corrupt.

https://canadafreepress.com/article/ukraine-was-investigating-hunter-biden-before-trumps-phone-call

biden was the point person on ukraine, and voila, his son gets a very lucrative gig for which he had no experience. Hunters hedge fund also received a ton of money from other foreign sources ( mitt romney’s kid too). you already know this, you just don’t care because you are sympathetic to biden.
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So another words you have nothing to show any corruption.

So another words you have nothing to show any corruption.

https://canadafreepress.com/article/ukraine-was-investigating-hunter-biden-before-trumps-phone-call

So another words you have nothing to show any corruption.

is nepotism, or getting your son a gig he isn't qualifies for, corruption?
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she sounds like a whiny 8 year old that had her favorite doll taken away

You, like Floridaman, probably think that the State Department sends it's worst people to the toughest assignments

Trump attacking Ambassador Yovanovitch while she’s testifying. ⁦

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
Everywhere Marie Yovanovitch went turned bad. She started off in Somalia, how did that go? Then fast forward to Ukraine, where the new Ukrainian President spoke unfavorably about her in my second phone call with him. It is a U.S. President’s absolute right to appoint ambassadors.

Adam Schiff asks how this impacts other her & other witnesses. It’s intimidating, she says.

When Schiff asks Yovanovitch if Trump is trying to intimidate witnesses, she declines. She says the effect is intimidating, but she can’t say what his intent is. Consummately professional, she’s testifying to what she knows, not what the questioner wants to hear.

Although impeachment doesn’t require a crime, witness intimidation is in fact a crime & could be the basis of another article of impeachment.
Here’s the relevant law, https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1512

It’s hard to be restrained like she has in the face of this kind of misconduct by an American president. He’s not fit to lick her boots.

He’s not fit to lick her boots.

he's her President :uhuh:

is nepotism, or getting your son several gigs he isn't qualifies for, corruption?
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I heard biden-the-younger's bank account records are surfacing showing some tremendous dough raking thanks to daddy and the foreign interests biden-the-senile was in charge of

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Just how did you decide what Hunter Biden is qualified to do? Is your CV any better or that of any of the Trumps?
If you are worried about him being unqualified, you ought to look at Stephen Miller's CV

Here's his CV prior to Burisma and yes, who you know, where you went to school does count. Trump will always be a bridge and tunnel boy and he will never get over it.

In 1992, he graduated from Georgetown University with a bachelor's degree in history. During the year after he graduated from college, he served as a Jesuit volunteer at a church in Portland, Oregon, where he met and eventually married Kathleen Buhle. After attending Georgetown University Law Center for one year, he transferred to Yale Law School, graduating in 1996.
After graduating from law school, Biden took a position at MBNA America, a major bank holding company which was also a major contributor to his father's political campaigns.
By 1998, he had risen to the rank of executive vice president. From 1998 to 2001, he served in the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy.
Biden became a lobbyist in 2001, co-founding the firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair.
In 2006, Biden and his uncle, James Biden, attempted to buy Paradigm, a hedge-fund group, but the deal fell apart before completion. That same year he was appointed by President George W. Bush to a five year term on the board of directors of Amtrak. He was chosen as the board's vice chairman, and served from July 2006 until resigning at the end of January 2009.
After his father was elected as vice president in 2008, Biden resigned from his position on the Amtrak board of directors and left his career as a lobbyist. Along with Christopher Heinz, stepson of John Kerry, and Devon Archer, Biden founded the investment firm Rosemont Seneca.
He also became an attorney with the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, and founded Eudora Global, a venture capital firm.

I heard biden-the-younger's bank account records are surfacing showing some tremendous dough raking thanks to daddy and the foreign interests biden-the-senile was in charge of

Let's see Trumps and Kushners

Just how did you decide what Hunter Biden is qualified to do? Is your CV any better or that of any of the Trumps?
If you are worried about him being unqualified, you ought to look at Stephen Miller's CV

Here's his CV prior to Burisma and yes, who you know, where you went to school does count. Trump will always be a bridge and tunnel boy and he will never get over it.

In 1992, he graduated from Georgetown University with a bachelor's degree in history. During the year after he graduated from college, he served as a Jesuit volunteer at a church in Portland, Oregon, where he met and eventually married Kathleen Buhle. After attending Georgetown University Law Center for one year, he transferred to Yale Law School, graduating in 1996.
After graduating from law school, Biden took a position at MBNA America, a major bank holding company which was also a major contributor to his father's political campaigns.
By 1998, he had risen to the rank of executive vice president. From 1998 to 2001, he served in the United States Department of Commerce, focusing on ecommerce policy.
Biden became a lobbyist in 2001, co-founding the firm of Oldaker, Biden & Belair.
In 2006, Biden and his uncle, James Biden, attempted to buy Paradigm, a hedge-fund group, but the deal fell apart before completion. That same year he was appointed by President George W. Bush to a five year term on the board of directors of Amtrak. He was chosen as the board's vice chairman, and served from July 2006 until resigning at the end of January 2009.
After his father was elected as vice president in 2008, Biden resigned from his position on the Amtrak board of directors and left his career as a lobbyist. Along with Christopher Heinz, stepson of John Kerry, and Devon Archer, Biden founded the investment firm Rosemont Seneca.
He also became an attorney with the law firm Boies Schiller Flexner LLP, and founded Eudora Global, a venture capital firm.

read the link that detbuch provided...them get back to us...
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I'm assuming and not hunting for it but that it is an article by John Solomon about Shokin, Burisma and Biden.

You would think that the Trumplicans would want to call Shokin as a witness, I wonder why not?

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did he get his son a gig?

No doubt the son benefited from having daddy as Sen. but it is not illegal.

Some parallels can be drawn with Trump’s longtime buddy Roger Stone being convicted of tampering with a witness before Congress on the day Trump attacks a witness testifying before Congress.

And since Floridaman only surrounds himself with the best people, federal prosecutors are investigating whether Rudy Giuliani stood to personally profit from a Ukrainian natural-gas business pushed by two associates.

https://i.postimg.cc/X78T46Mv/Did-Ya-Hear.jpg

Close to 14 Million watched the first public hearing, more than 20% of the number that voted in 2016

panic over what? did you see jim jordan question the star witness, who admitted zero first hand
knowledge of anything?
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again its called commander's intent

Do you actual Think intelligence gathering is only True if the person spoke directly to Putin or Kim .. And that we dismiss any information if they havent had direct conversations ???

How many professional does it take all getting the same message from above for you just accept that it happened ... because again I havent seen anyone under oath who sees it differently .... Why is That:huh:

Republicans are once again banking on their bases lack of basic common sense

https://i.postimg.cc/X78T46Mv/Did-Ya-Hear.jpg

kinda of like your crowdstrike conspiracy

asked jim this same question '

How many professional does it take all getting the same message from above for you just accept that it happened ... and why havent we seen anyone under oath from the administration who sees it differently ....????

Why is That MR :faga:

did he get his son a gig?

No doubt the son benefited from having daddy as Sen. but it is not illegal.

his son got the gig, coincidentally according to you, while
dad was the point person on the executive branch’s ukrainian
agenda.

i agree not illegal. what did trump
do that was illegal? quid pro quo is illegal? how many times a day does one politician say to another, “vote for my bill, and i’ll vote for yours.”

as confident as you all are that there’s nothing there, the left sure doesn’t want the truth revealed. how about we do an honest investigation and release the results?
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Yovanovitch says John Solomon's columns were used to push false allegations
BY OLIVIA BEAVERS - 11/15/19 01:58 PM EST 930
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Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch testified Friday that a shadow campaign led by Rudy Giuliani and his associates appeared to be behind what she said were false attacks against her that led to her ouster.

She singled out columns in The Hill written by former conservative opinion contributor John Solomon, which the staff counsel to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) highlighted during the committee's second public impeachment hearing.

In response to questions from staff counsel Daniel Goldman, Yovanovich said the origin of the attacks against her was a series of opinion articles in The Hill authored by Solomon. She also said the allegations came in part from Yuri Lutsenko, the former prosecutor general of Ukraine.


"This effort by Giuliani and his associates resulted in a series of articles in The Hill publication that were based on allegations in part from Lutsenko," she said.

Goldman in his questioning highlighted three categories of attacks against Yovanovitch.

"One category included the attacks against you, which you referenced in your opening statement including that you had bad-mouthed the president and had given the prosecutor general a do-not-prosecute list," Goldman said. "There was another that included allegations of Ukrainian interference in a 2016 election and then there was a third that related to allegations concerning Burisma and the Bidens, is that accurate?"

"Yes," Yovanovitch answered, adding that they "seemed to be promoted by those around Mayor Giuliani."

"These attacks were being repeated by the president himself and his son," she added, which she said made her "worried."

Such allegations also received pickup on Fox News, she noted.

Yovanovitch said it was false that she had bad-mouthed the president and handed Lutsenko a do-not-prosecute list, a charge initially included in a column by Solomon in The Hill after an interview with Lutsenko.
Yovanovitch and the State Department have pushed back on that claim, saying it is false there was such a list.


Ukrainian media quoted Lutsenko as changing his story, though in an interview with The New York Times last month, Lutsenko blamed the confusion on an interpreter for his interview with Solomon and said Yovanovitch had asked him to target certain politicians and activists who worked with the embassy on its anti-corruption efforts.

Yovanovitch has maintained on Wednesday that she did not speak negatively about the president, which was a point that led some to press for her removal.

Of all the corrupt people and companies in Ukraine, Trump was only interested in the investigation of one AMERICAN who was serving on the board of one company. And that American just happened to be the son of the presidents possible electoral opponent in 2020

Marie Yovanovitch confirms: the institutions are not holding up. She has witnessed a State Dept gutted and an administration succumbing to foreign influence and corruption.

for god’s sake, someone tell
trump not to attack witnesses while they’re testifying.
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Gym Jordan suggests that, as ambassador to Ukraine, Yovanovitch should have asked Ukrainians not to speak out after candidate Trump indicated he might support Russia’s seizure of Ukrainian territory.

Does Gym think that letting Russia invade and occupy Crimea was the policy of the administration at the time?

It certainly looks like it is the policy of Putin's Puppet

for god’s sake, someone tell
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Sounds like another impeachable offence.

his son got the gig, coincidentally according to you, while
dad was the point person on the executive branch’s ukrainian
agenda.

i agree not illegal. what did trump
do that was illegal? quid pro quo is illegal? how many times a day does one politician say to another, “vote for my bill, and i’ll vote for yours.”

as confident as you all are that there’s nothing there, the left sure doesn’t want the truth revealed. BC we are honest enough to admit it is bc Trump wants his political rivals investigated to tarnish their names. how about we do an honest investigation and release the results?
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When there is no smoke there is no need to investigate if there is a fire.

Trump's own words gives us reason to look into his asking a foreign gov. to investigate a political rival while at the same time holding up foreign aid.

When there is no smoke there is no need to investigate if there is a fire.

Trump's own words gives us reason to look into his asking a foreign gov. to investigate a political rival while at the same time holding up foreign aid.

i see. it’s a virtue, specifically honesty, to deny that there was anything fishy going on.

you’re all also dismissing the Durham investigation even though not a word of it had been released. Which virtue does that indicate?

i’m not stupid enough to presume that Trump was simply seeking the truth when asking for the investigation. obviously there was a political component. but i have no problem with my president seeking the truth regarding what the bidens did, as i have no problem seeking the truth about credible accusations against trump.

funny, you constantly deny any wrongdoing in the part of democrats. That’s a coincidence, right? Not political?
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Trump's own words gives us reason to look into his asking a foreign gov. to investigate a political rival while at the same time holding up foreign aid.

not just a political rival. a political
rival who engaged in behavior that many people would claim is fishy.

Paul, are you saying the potus can only inquire about the actions of people in his own party? no president can ever be trusted to inquire about anything being done by anyone in the opposing party?

The senate dems sent a letter to ukraine, asking them
to investigate Manafort and trump. But that was OK for them
to ask for dirt on a political rival.

Seems like you’re really afraid of what an investigation might conclude.
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asking a foreign gov. to investigate a political rival

.

this is dumb.. biden isn't a political rival...he's a bump on a log...he's NEVER won the nomination and he's been running since the early 70's:rotf2:

Sounds like another impeachable offence.

oh boy! start the hearings...

Yovanovitch says John Solomon's columns were used to push false allegations
BY OLIVIA BEAVERS - 11/15/19 01:58 PM EST 930
12


Former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch testified Friday that a shadow campaign led by Rudy Giuliani and his associates appeared to be behind what she said were false attacks against her that led to her ouster.

She singled out columns in The Hill written by former conservative opinion contributor John Solomon, which the staff counsel to House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-Calif.) highlighted during the committee's second public impeachment hearing.

In response to questions from staff counsel Daniel Goldman, Yovanovich said the origin of the attacks against her was a series of opinion articles in The Hill authored by Solomon. She also said the allegations came in part from Yuri Lutsenko, the former prosecutor general of Ukraine.


"This effort by Giuliani and his associates resulted in a series of articles in The Hill publication that were based on allegations in part from Lutsenko," she said.

Goldman in his questioning highlighted three categories of attacks against Yovanovitch.

"One category included the attacks against you, which you referenced in your opening statement including that you had bad-mouthed the president and had given the prosecutor general a do-not-prosecute list," Goldman said. "There was another that included allegations of Ukrainian interference in a 2016 election and then there was a third that related to allegations concerning Burisma and the Bidens, is that accurate?"

"Yes," Yovanovitch answered, adding that they "seemed to be promoted by those around Mayor Giuliani."

"These attacks were being repeated by the president himself and his son," she added, which she said made her "worried."

Such allegations also received pickup on Fox News, she noted.

Yovanovitch said it was false that she had bad-mouthed the president and handed Lutsenko a do-not-prosecute list, a charge initially included in a column by Solomon in The Hill after an interview with Lutsenko.
Yovanovitch and the State Department have pushed back on that claim, saying it is false there was such a list.


Ukrainian media quoted Lutsenko as changing his story, though in an interview with The New York Times last month, Lutsenko blamed the confusion on an interpreter for his interview with Solomon and said Yovanovitch had asked him to target certain politicians and activists who worked with the embassy on its anti-corruption efforts.

Yovanovitch has maintained on Wednesday that she did not speak negatively about the president, which was a point that led some to press for her removal.

The link I posted, and about which you supposedly responded to here, has nothing to do with your entire post.

First, PaulS requested a link re Hunter Biden and his pop re corruption. Paul is big on links. Apparently, links are necessary in order to be able to think properly. So I provided a link.

Second, it had nothing to do with Yovanovich or Lutsenko.

You quite often do this trick of sliding from what is said into something else, something you want to say, and a slide that implies there is a linkage, an actual response, when there is neither.

And it is a convenient way of avoiding that to which you ostensibly are responding.

Sounds like another impeachable offence.

its asinine behavior. although the lady made two mutually exclusive, completely contradicting statements ( on one hand that she never heard anything about Hunter i’m ukraine until trump, and also that the obama
administration coached her in what to say if
anyone asked why Hunter had that job), those statements cannot both be true, so what else is she lying about.
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its asinine behavior.
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It’s actually a felony.
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It’s actually a felony.
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that's funny

Good week for America, bad week for Trump.
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This sham being directed by Shift is nothing but an embarrassment to America. Nobody with a conscience could call this charade justice. History will recall this as a tipping point where the democrats lost control.
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This sham being directed by Shift is nothing but an embarrassment to America. Nobody with a conscience could call this charade justice. History will recall this as a tipping point where the democrats lost control.
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Boy have you got the GOP talking points down, the more people come forward the stronger their case gets and Trump even doubles down by intimidation tactics in the middle of her testimony.

Trump will be impeached, his lieutenants will not remove and we can finally get the election done. When that’s over Trump might want to consider a die job and some makeup; putting him in the prison jump suit will be way too much orange.
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Boy have you got the GOP talking points down, the more people come forward the stronger their case gets and Trump even doubles down by intimidation tactics in the middle of her testimony.

Trump will be impeached, his lieutenants will not remove and we can finally get the election done. When that’s over Trump might want to consider a die job and some makeup; putting him in the prison jump suit will be way too much orange.
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My prediction is we will all see you throw plenty more tantrums in the future due to our President. He has you desperate enough to be hopeful...too funny.
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It’s actually a felony.
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I doubt that. Saying she stinks at her job, isn't the same as threatening a witness.

It's vindictive and immature. Felony? That's a leap, but perhaps not much more of a leap than any of the other laughable accusations.

Boy have you got the GOP talking points down, the more people come forward the stronger their case gets and Trump even doubles down by intimidation tactics in the middle of her testimony.

Trump will be impeached, his lieutenants will not remove and we can finally get the election done. When that’s over Trump might want to consider a die job and some makeup; putting him in the prison jump suit will be way too much orange.
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Look at this damning testimony from Yovanovitch

Stewart: "I would now feel compelled to ask you, Madam Ambassador, as you sit here before us, very simply and directly, do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Stewart: "Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Wow, she really put the nail in Trumps coffin.

Good week for America, bad week for Trump.
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Maybe.

What's happening here, is that your side sees that none of the totalitarian Reds running for democratic nominee, has a great chance in a general election with an incumbent during this economy, even if it's a jerk like Trump. So they are doing anything they can, to prevent a fair election against him.

Maybe these hearings signal the end of his presidency. But if you learned anything from 2016 (I'll wager you didn't, you probably blame the results on all the things Hilary mentions in her book), you'd know that there's a chance that this helps Trump. He will wear an impeachment at the hands of Pelosi and AOC as a badge of honor.

No one knows how this will play out in the 6 states that will decide the election. It doesn't matter what people in CA or NY think, because those states aren't up for grabs.

is nepotism, or getting your son a gig he isn't qualifies for, corruption?
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Relay thats your arugument... whos kids are in the white house whos kid book was promoted on Tweeter by his fathers Twitter account againts the rules

I know dems bad. Republicans good.
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I know dems bad. Republicans good.
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Wrong, pal. 100% wrong. I agree with Dems on some big issues - gay marriage (I was for it LONG before it was fashionable for liberals, I was for it when Hilary and Obama were adamantly opposed to it), death penalty, expanding healthcare coverage to pre existing conditions, and to some degree, gun control.

Please tell me, on what major policies, you agree with conservatives? Let's see who can think for themselves, and who is a partisan zombie, shall we?

Look at this damning testimony from Yovanovitch

Stewart: "I would now feel compelled to ask you, Madam Ambassador, as you sit here before us, very simply and directly, do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Stewart: "Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Wow, she really put the nail in Trumps coffin.

That point has been debated already in another thread, so same point I made to Scott, where are the people who can say under oath, there was no back channel effort to get dirt for personal gains in an upcoming election and that the investigation was necessary to release the aid package? Everyone to a person seems to under oath be bringing forth evidence showing that is exactly what happened. Now you have all those overhearing what clearly was a stupid and very damaging non secure cell phone conversation coming forward, where Trump in his own words (no hearsay) confirms that is exactly what happened.

Again, if Trump, his chief of staff or other cabinet members can under oath make his case that this wasn’t the goal and never happened, why are they not coming forward?

Rhetorical question, we all know why, unless you are just spouting the GOP talking points, which seem to change weekly as new evidence is released, soon they won’t have much to say other than the standard; this is just a witch hunt because we all hate Trump and will fabricate anything to get him impeached.
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Look at this damning testimony from Yovanovitch

Stewart: "I would now feel compelled to ask you, Madam Ambassador, as you sit here before us, very simply and directly, do you have any information regarding the president of the United States accepting any bribes?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Stewart: "Do you have any information regarding any criminal activity that the president of the United States has been involved with at all?"

Yovanovitch: "No."

Wow, she really put the nail in Trumps coffin.

I'm not sure you're understanding how this all works. Not everyone who testifies knows everything. It's the job of the committee to stitch it together and if justified (which it already looks to be) to hold a vote. Remember the Ambassador nor her superiors didn't even know why she was removed. The Republicans are just asking questions like the above to make it look like there was no wrong doing when it's simply just that she didn't have visibility...but other's do.

Jordan claimed that Giuliani's role was akin to prior presidents having people like U2 lead singer Bono "do diplomatic missions."

Wow a stunning legal defense.

From the Guy who dismissed sexual abuse complaints..
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this is just a witch hunt because we all hate Trump and will fabricate anything to get him impeached.

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this is true...good job

I'm not sure you're understanding how this all works. Not everyone who testifies knows everything. It's the job of the committee to stitch it together and if justified (which it already looks to be) to hold a vote. Remember the Ambassador nor her superiors didn't even know why she was removed. The Republicans are just asking questions like the above to make it look like there was no wrong doing when it's simply just that she didn't have visibility...but other's do.

i get that. i just wonder if/when any of them will
say anything other than, “Trump is
mean and he humiliated all of us in 2016.”. when do we get to something other than that? what is there to stitch together? he’s a bully who tries to coerce people, when necessary, to get what he wants?
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From the Guy who dismissed sexual abuse complaints..
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and the evidence of that is????

school hired a team of lawyers who interviewed hundreds of people, there was zero evidence that Jordan knew what was going on. there are two lawsuits that claim he knew. but no evidence yet.

your standards for what constitutes evidence of wrongdoing are quite, shall we say, flexible, aren’t they? depending upon the politics?
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Don't get lost in the other guy with anger issues, that is the goal of injecting him into the hearing.

Meanwhile, in the House, the evidence from the Roger Stone hearing is attracting attention. When it rains, it pours.......

The House of Representatives is now investigating whether President Donald Trump lied to special counsel Robert Mueller in written answers he provided in the Russia investigation, the House's general counsel said in federal court Monday.

"Did the President lie? Was the President not truthful in his responses to the Mueller investigation?" House general counsel Douglas Letter told the US Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit about why the House now needs access to grand jury material Mueller collected in his investigation.

and the evidence of that is????

school hired a team of lawyers who interviewed hundreds of people, there was zero evidence that Jordan knew what was going on. there are two lawsuits that claim he knew. but no evidence yet.

your standards for what constitutes evidence of wrongdoing are quite, shall we say, flexible, aren’t they? depending upon the politics?
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In fact the law firm said that it was common knowledge amongst everyone there at the time that the perv. was doing stuff (jerking off in the shower, etc). Jordan was not named.

In fact the law firm said that it was common knowledge amongst everyone there at the time that the perv. was doing stuff (jerking off in the shower, etc). Jordan was not named.

Where the hell else is he supposed to jerk-off??

Geesh, talk about Nit-picking :hihi:
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Where the hell else is he supposed to jerk-off??

Geesh, talk about Nit-picking :hihi:
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Tissue - like every other man in America.

In fact the law firm said that it was common knowledge amongst everyone there at the time that the perv. was doing stuff (jerking off in the shower, etc). Jordan was not named.

the report said one person ( not jordan) knew, didn’t conclude
anyone else knew.

that is known as legally innocent.
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and the evidence of that is????

school hired a team of lawyers who interviewed hundreds of people, there was zero evidence that Jordan knew what was going on. there are two lawsuits that claim he knew. but no evidence yet.

your standards for what constitutes evidence of wrongdoing are quite, shall we say, flexible, aren’t they? depending upon the politics?
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Knew that would get your attention and run to his defense ..

Yet we have had several people interviewed about Trumps doings . And your talk to me about standards of evidence.. lol....
So seeing Jordan didnt witness the abuse 1st hand but heard about , he bears no responsiblity..
Heres the lastest i am sure its a dem lead smear campaign against Jordan
8 nov 2019

A college wrestling referee claimed in a new lawsuit that he told Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and another coach two decades ago that an Ohio State University team doctor had masturbated in the shower in front of him.
But Jordan, who at the time was an assistant Ohio State wrestling coach, and then OSU head coach Russ Hellickson just shrugged off the shocking claim about Dr. Richard Strauss, the suit says.
Jordan and Hellickson responded, "Yeah, that's Strauss," according to the lawsuit filed Thursday in federal court in Columbus, Ohio.

I would think he would be a mandated reporter a person who, because of his or her profession, (coach) is legally required to report any suspicion of child abuse or neglect to the relevant authorities.
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the report said one person ( not jordan) knew, didn’t conclude
anyone else knew.

that is known as legally innocent.
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Seems like based on the following people should be examining Jordan.


A professional referee says in a lawsuit filed Thursday that disgraced doctor Richard Strauss masturbated in front of him in a shower after a wrestling match at Ohio State University, and that he reported the encounter directly to Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who was then the assistant coach.


John Doe 42 is the second person to say he told Jordan directly about either being approached or molested by Strauss, who was found by independent investigators to have sexually abused 177 male students over two decades.

Other former Ohio State wrestlers have said Jordan had to know about Strauss because he shared a locker room with them and took part in discussions about the doctor, who died in 2005.

An investigation commissioned by the university and conducted by the Perkins Coie law firm found that what Strauss was doing was an “open secret” and that the coaches and administrators at Ohio State knew for two decades that the doctor was abusing students but failed to stop him, according to a report released in May

Knew that would get your attention and run to his defense ..

Yet we have had several people interviewed about Trumps doings . And your talk to me about standards of evidence.. lol....
So seeing Jordan didnt witness the abuse 1st hand but heard about , he bears no responsiblity..
Heres the lastest i am sure its a dem lead smear campaign against Jordan
8 nov 2019

A college wrestling referee claimed in a new lawsuit that he told Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and another coach two decades ago that an Ohio State University team doctor had masturbated in the shower in front of him.
But Jordan, who at the time was an assistant Ohio State wrestling coach, and then OSU head coach Russ Hellickson just shrugged off the shocking claim about Dr. Richard Strauss, the suit says.
Jordan and Hellickson responded, "Yeah, that's Strauss," according to the lawsuit filed Thursday in federal court in Columbus, Ohio.

I would think he would be a mandated reporter a person who, because of his or her profession, (coach) is legally required to report any suspicion of child abuse or neglect to the relevant authorities.
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gibberish.

there’s zero evidence, zero, that jordan knew what was happening. but he’s conservative, so an allegation is enough for
you to convict.
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Tissue - like every other man in America.

Not very green. AOC would not approve
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gibberish.

there’s zero evidence, zero, that jordan knew what was happening. but he’s conservative, so an allegation is enough for
you to convict.
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There is far, far more evidence that Jordan knew than there is evidence J. Biden did anything wrong w/Burisma and H. Biden. There are people who are claiming they have first hand evidence that Jordan was told and did nothing.

Not very green. AOC would not approve
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He could have used a sock as he would have had access to the athletic dept. clothing and laundry services. :crying:

There is far, far more evidence that Jordan knew than there is evidence J. Biden did anything wrong w/Burisma and H. Biden. There are people who are claiming they have first hand evidence that Jordan was told and did nothing.

you keep saying that. yet the formal report done by the school, contained exactly zero
evidence that jordan knew anything.

let’s do a thorough review of what the bidens did, and if it shows they did nothing, i’m fine with that. but the left doesn’t want to discuss it. gee i wonder why that is.
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you keep saying that. yet the formal report done by the school, contained exactly zero
evidence that jordan knew anything.

let’s do a thorough review of what the bidens did, and if it shows they did nothing, i’m fine with that. but the left doesn’t want to discuss it. gee i wonder why that is.
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You earlier said that only one person knew and then I posted where the law firm who did the investigation said that it was common knowledge. Jordon was involved in the program and you have 2 people who are saying they told Jordan about the perv.

So you want to ignore the 2 people who are claiming first hand knowledge of Jordan's knowledge and the law firm who said lots of people involved w/the program (as was Jordan) knew about the perv. yet you want to investigate J. Biden w/no (zero evidence, zero!!!!) credible proof he did anything corrupt.

What a joke.

Should your town's police chief investigate your pedophila (and I don't think you are one)?

You earlier said that only one person knew and then I posted where the law firm who did the investigation said that it was common knowledge. Jordon was involved in the program and you have 2 people who are saying they told Jordan about the perv.

So you want to ignore the 2 people who are claiming first hand knowledge of Jordan's involvement and the law firm who said lots of people involved w/the program (as was Jordan) knew about the perv. yet you want to investigate J. Biden w/no (zero evidence, zero!!!!) credible proof he did anything corrupt.

What a joke.

Should your town's police chief investigate your pedophila?

if the law firm said it was “common knowledge”, where’s the list of people they claim knew?

i don’t get how 177 (?) kids were abused and no one knew. but i haven’t seen any evidence that jordan knew.
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democrats remind me of the narrator of Curse of Oak Island

gibberish.

there’s zero evidence, zero, that jordan knew what was happening. but he’s conservative, so an allegation is enough for
you to convict.
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How did I know you were going to land on were picking on him cuz hes a Republican

Just pointing out you dont need to see or witness wrong doings to have an idea somethings not right... in ohio or the whitehouse
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How did I know you were going to land on were picking on him cuz hes a Republican

Just pointing out you dont need to see or witness wrong doings to have an idea somethings not right... in ohio or the whitehouse
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so we’ll impeach him, because a disgruntled former
employee with blatant inconsistencies in her testimony, “has an idea” somethings not right. That’s what you’re saying now?

let’s use a wee-jee board ( no idea how to spell it) to
see if he gets impeached or not. you want to nullify a fair and free national election, because his actions don't feel right to someone he fired...
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let’s use a wee-jee board ( no idea how to spell it)
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Ouija :hee:
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Ouija :hee:
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seriously?
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so we’ll impeach him, because a disgruntled former
employee with blatant inconsistencies in her testimony, “has an idea” somethings not right. That’s what you’re saying now?

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You’re repeating lies again, just like your hero Floridaman
Pompeo knew 100 percent that the Yovanovitch removal was all a setup. We know that because, when Senator Bob Menendez asked Pompeo’s deputy secretary of state, John Sullivan, about Yovanovitch — at Sullivan’s Senate confirmation hearing on Oct. 30 to become the next U.S. ambassador to Moscow — he stated that she had served “admirably and capably.” When Menendez asked Sullivan whether Giuliani was behind her removal, Sullivan baldly declared that Giuliani was “seeking to smear Ambassador Yovanovitch, or have her removed. I believed he was, yes.”

Those were the words of Pompeo’s own deputy!

But they’ve never come out of Pompeo’s mouth. Though he reportedly argued privately to the President to keep Yovanovitch in place, Pompeo faithfully executed Trump’s order without uttering a word to defend his ambassador’s reputation in public. Would you want that #^&#^&#^&#^& as your commanding officer or leader of the State Department? He’s as slimy as they come.
Nobody left in Floridaman’s administration has a spine
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seriously?
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Yep

if he had a Ouija board he could ask it how to spell Ouija :rotf2:

so we’ll impeach him, because a disgruntled former
employee with blatant inconsistencies in her testimony, “has an idea” somethings not right. That’s what you’re saying now?

let’s use a wee-jee board ( no idea how to spell it) to
see if he gets impeached or not. you want to nullify a fair and free national election, because his actions don't feel right to someone he fired...
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Keep ignoring what competent people have all testified to..

And keep ignoring all thoses who refused to show after subpoenas

So much for the rule of law..

So Republicans have gone from
1 didn't happen
2 2nd hand info
3. It happened but they never did the deal so its ok
. 4 they got the money. So again nothing happen

5. Who knows

Was clintons impeachment over turning an election??
Again do you understand the Senate will remove him if convicted
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Going to be another rough week for the GOP and I hope Trump has a good supply of Cheetos for all the “executive” time when he’s not (wink-wink) watching the testimony’s of the never Trumpers.
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so far its all been The Bidens were up to no good in Ukraine and Ukraine was against Trump ,,

and that bursma was left out of the official Transcript of the call???


and Tump again can't help himself


In Sunday tweet, Trump resurfaced an unfounded accusation he has raised against other officials who have testified in the probe, characterizing Williams as a Never Trumper.... this defense only seems to work for his base

just saw this

On the eve of Vindman's testimony, Republican Senator Ron Johnson issued an 11-page letter to top Republicans, suggesting the Purple Heart recipient may have participated "in the ongoing effort to sabotage" Trump's policies "and if possible, remove him from office".

do the conspiracy ever stop

\

"in the ongoing effort to sabotage" Trump's policies "and if possible, remove him from office".



no surprise here

no surprise here

To bad getting dirt for ones self Aka Trump from the Ukraines isn't . US policy
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A college wrestling referee claimed in a new lawsuit that he told Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, and another coach two decades ago that an Ohio State University team doctor had masturbated in the shower in front of him.
But Jordan, who at the time was an assistant Ohio State wrestling coach, and then OSU head coach Russ Hellickson just shrugged off the shocking claim about Dr. Richard Strauss, the suit says.
Jordan and Hellickson responded, "Yeah, that's Strauss,"

:

Jordan's response was a prescient understanding of a newly discovered gender--penist exhibitionist. It is a condition that has long manifested itself throughout human history, but has not been understood and has wrongly been condemned as an anti-social act and punished by harsh penalties that merely exacerbate the inherent need to share ones identity with other human beings. It is understood by the penist exhibistionist (a corollary gender also exists, vulvatist exhibitionist) as an act of love, and suppressing or punishing this genetic drive is a cruel and unnecessary criminalization which deprives innocent humans of actuating and expressing their gender identity. Gender studies experts believe that rather than punishing the behavior, it should be socialized by providing various safe-type spaces where it can be more humanely practiced.

Jim Jordan says the Mueller investigation came back with nothing, which is an interesting way to characterize multiple, well-evidenced allegations of obstruction of justice by the President & plenty of evidence of contacts between the campaign & Russia.

The Stone trial testimony shows that Floridaman likely perjured himself in his written take home “test”imony
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democraps got nothin'....this is great...hope it never ends :claps:

Prepare yourselves for more nothing.
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Prepare yourselves for more nothing.
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Yes Republicans have presented nothing you are correct . And I expect more of the Same
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WILLIAMS: The call was unusual, political, surprising. Never seen anything like it.

VINDMAN: The call was inappropriate. Never seen anything like it.

GOP: See! They don't agree! And they won't say "bribery"!

ALL ATTORNEYS in the world: Uh, these are fact witnesses. That's not their role.

Every GOP defense today was a lie, a misstatement of evidence, a deliberate obfuscation, a slander, the creation of a false distinction, a misapplication of legal principles, or deceit about how due process works.
That is not how criminal defense works.

The Trumplicans never refuted a single point.

If it was a criminal defense, you would have a "theory of the case." Every question develops and brings forward that theory. I've watched/listened to these hearings and there is no Trumplican theory here. They're just throwing smoke grenades everywhere, like Floridaman with a sideshow of Gym Jordan screaming verbiage loud and fast.

What were Trumplicans trying to tell America about Vindman? Is he a liar? A bad soldier? A spy? A man with poor memory? No one watching these hearings could have any idea. Or see how any of these create a theory of the case or any semblance thereof. And that's because the Trumplicans don't have any defense at all.

Even if you claim Trumplicans weren't trying to defend Floridaman, but merely hurling political rhetoric during an impeachment, how is it politically wise to falsely claim that a decorated American soldier somehow is disloyal to America? Who's desperately looking for that case to be made? A little projection from Floridaman, perhaps?

Yes Republicans have presented nothing you are correct . And I expect more of the Same
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There is no reason to do so. I hope you are joking.
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The facts so far establish that Floridaman used his office to try and secure his own power in 2020.

He did this in a way that undermined the written national security policy of the United States, which he signed, as well as the interests of the American people.

There is no alternative version of events offered by Trumplicans.

The only Trumplican argument left is: You can’t make us care what Floridaman did and he can do whatever he wants as President.

If “we don't care” is an entire political party’s view of a sitting President asking a foreign power to interfere in our elections, then something has gone very, very wrong.

And the problem does not stop with Floridaman.

Will the next election be decided by whomever receives the best dirt on their opponent by saying "If you're listening, give me some dirt on my opponent and you will be very well rewarded.
Russia, I'll give you Ukraine and Finland
China, you'll get Taiwan
Israel, we already gave you the West Bank, produce already.

nobody cares, even the networks are bailing on this joke

nobody cares, even the networks are bailing on this joke

If you say so
Floridaman certainly hopes that is true
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There is no reason to do so. I hope you are joking.
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OMG Devin Nunes has done nothing but cry on national television, you guys should be embarrassed

and of course Trumpists to Alexander Vindman: ‘#^&#^&#^&#^& You for Your Service’

and of course Trumpists to Alexander Vindman: ‘#^&#^&#^&#^& You for Your Service’

so are you suggesting that if someone serves in the military they can never be questioned for the rest of their life?

so are you suggesting that if someone serves in the military they can never be questions for the rest of their life?
All Vindman did was tell the truth
For that he was called a “nevertrumper, it was intimated that he had dual loyalties and that he did not do his job
Perhaps you could explain what he did that was not done correctly or went outside the chain of command
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Nunes closing statements
Another embarrassment. For a member of congress
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so are you suggesting that if someone serves in the military they can never be questioned for the rest of their life?

Seems you dont understand the difference bettween a question and accusation.. all with out evidence mind you
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CASTRO: Putting President Trump aside, do you believe that it is proper for any president…to ask a foreign govt. to investigate a U.S. citizen, and specifically a U.S. citizen that could be a political rival?

VOLKER: I don't believe it is appropriate

MORRISON: I agree
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Another day, more firsthand evidence, more amending testimony, more fact witnesses cooreberating the bribery scandal. Nunes looks like a fool. All they can do it ask questions the witnesses don’t have visibility to and smear honest civil servants and patriots.

It’s sickening.
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CASTRO: Putting President Trump aside, do you believe that it is proper for any president…to ask a foreign govt. to investigate a U.S. citizen, and specifically a U.S. citizen that could be a political rival?

VOLKER: I don't believe it is appropriate

MORRISON: I agree
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Phew . . . good thing there were more questions and answers than that.

Another day, more firsthand evidence, more amending testimony, more fact witnesses cooreberating the bribery scandal. Nunes looks like a fool. All they can do it ask questions the witnesses don’t have visibility to and smear honest civil servants and patriots.

It’s sickening.
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I agree. The whole thing is sickening.

Funny watching some of these fleabags grasping at fame.
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it's pretty obvious who ran to the "whistleblower"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2IhBaGdw54&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1qDNOLrACraq3teziAGr7W1TxasJ33GMvwQ_fHZ 8oargQvLAzqvWERrM4

It’s the whistleblower’s fault?
Silly boy
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Absolutely perfect.
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Absolutely Perfect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWN6Lck4dpA

After Sondland's opening statement Nunes was seen rushing into the mens room to change his shorts and probably throw up.

Your excitement guarantees a large helping.🎯🍔
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Your excitement guarantees a large helping.🎯🍔
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Really wish this was a clip

https://twitter.com/i/status/1197184057249062915

Adam Schiff and his team have run the most effective Congressional probe in history.

After being informed of the WB complaint on Sep 9, in a little over two months they have broken WH obstruction, got documents & testimony, flipped reluctant witnesses, and revealed the entire plot.

Seriously impressive.

Here's what Trump is looking at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L8kYsXg5jQ

Can anyone explain to me Why republicans keep bringing up the Javelin anti tank weapon system ..

I am trying to understand what it has to do with the phone call other to just say see they got them whats the issue ???

I am sure a white house visit for ukraine would have been far less expensive for American Tax payers and 100% more beneficial to ukraine both domestically and regionally...

I am sure Trump put as much thought into this as he did syria

They have nothing else
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Lev Parnas Helped Rep. Devin Nunes' Investigations

They have nothing else
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which explains why republicans hold zero elected offices. we have nothing. we don’t have the white house, the senate, and
majority of governorships. Nope. We have nothing.
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Hill nailed it today, he will be impeached in the house and Mitch will have a OMG we have to do it trial and then we get to watch Trump show us his true colors again in the 2020 campaign and those on the fence will likely say that’s enough of that.
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Hill nailed it today, he will be impeached in the house and Mitch will have a OMG we have to do it trial and then we get to watch Trump show us his true colors again in the 2020 campaign and those on the fence will likely say that’s enough of that.
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that could well happen. or, if the democratic nominee is a marxist jerk and the economy is still roaring, people on the fence may flock to trump. there’s a political risk to all this for the democrats. no way of knowing how this will play in FL, NC, OH, WI. I don’t think Harris, Warren, Sanders, or Buttigieg has a prayer against Trump, but that's a guess on my part, and unlike democratic witnesses, i can differentiate between my opinions and fact.
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As with what's happening with Suburban moms I think finally others will say they're tired of this vile, lying, classless grifter and maybe some of their class will come out and they'll vote for someone else.
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As with what's happening with Suburban moms I think finally others will say they're tired of this vile, lying, classless grifter and maybe some of their class will come out and they'll vote for someone else.
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very good chance that’s exactly what happens. who knows.

do you think that many of the democratic candidates are potentially too extremely liberal
for those suburbanites in middle
america? and what about the economy? the libs here will
do anything to avoid admitting how well the economy is doing ( pete thinks it’s tanking), but that has to help him a little.

a fascinating conflict of
forces. trumps divisiveness and
vulgarity work against him. working for him, are the economy and the freak show of candidates to oppose him, outside of biden.
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Just saw Congresswoman Elise Stefanik while on fox's Hannity show AKA Trump TV ask viewers for money for Her re - election campaign


never seen such a thing. clearly unethical ting from FOX or the congress women

Just saw Congresswoman Elise Stefanik while on fox's Hannity show AKA Trump TV ask viewers for money for Her re - election campaign


never seen such a thing. clearly unethical ting from FOX or the congress women

Hannity is a right-wing puppet.

No surprise.

Trump was absolutely right.

If he were to shoot someone in the middle of 5th Avenue, there would be no consequences.

Because Trumplicans would fall all over themselves to defend him and explain it away.
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Hannity is a right-wing puppet.

more proof that libs watch fox more than anyone....gives them stuff to complain about

very good chance that’s exactly what happens. who knows.

do you think that many of the democratic candidates are potentially too extremely liberal
for those suburbanites in middle
america? Absoulutelyand what about the economy? the libs here will
do anything to avoid admitting how well the economy is doing ( pete thinks it’s tanking), Doing well but there are some cracks. Consumer spending is keeping the economy going. Tariffs are putting a big hurt of farmers.but that has to help him a little.

a fascinating conflict of
forces. trumps divisiveness and
vulgarity work against him. working for him, are the economy and the freak show of candidates to oppose him, outside of biden.
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NM

more proof that libs watch fox more than anyone....gives them stuff to complain about
Thank for the proof you watch nothing yet complain about everything..
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Hannity is a right-wing puppet.

We know that.. any comments on asking for money ?
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Thank for the proof you watch nothing yet complain about everything..
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I just don't watch fox...I heard everything stated there is wrong:kewl:

NM

and trump deserves criticism for the pain his tariffs are inflicting on people like farmers, no question.
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What will happen if they don't introduce articles of impeachment..

It wouldn't be a bad plan the info is out in the public ,it would deny the Senate any chance to try to make it more about the Bidens then about Trump

And Trump couldn't play the victim on the campaign Trail.. but rather have to answer other question like Jim said if you did nothing wrong why didn't you cooperate with the inquiry. As the Republicans expected biden too ( still dont see how that was relevant besides trying to get the dirt Trump couldn't from Ukraine
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We know that.. any comments on asking for money ?
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i don’t like it, but im certain
she’s not the only politician to use a tv spot to fundraise. do you only have a problem when republicans do it in foxnews? kamela harris was in tv this week, saying her fundraising needed a boost. interesting that didn’t bother you.
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What will happen if they don't introduce articles of impeachment..

It wouldn't be a bad plan the info is out in the public ,it would deny the Senate any chance to try to make it more about the Bidens then about Trump

And Trump couldn't play the victim on the campaign Trail.. but rather have to answer other question like Jim said if you did nothing wrong why didn't you cooperate with the inquiry. As the Republicans expected biden too ( still dont see how that was relevant besides trying to get the dirt Trump couldn't from Ukraine
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I think it would be a shrewd move to not impeach, get the facts out there, let the people decide. But i’d be stunned if they did that. The progressive wing wants impeachment, i cant see they’d settle for anything less, and they are the democratic party right now. The moderates barely exist. Unless you consider Pelosi a moderate, right now she’s in the middle over there.
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Written by Art Buchwald in 1973, please modify to suit yourself

As a public service, I am printing instant responses for loyal Nixonites when they are attacked at a party. Please cut it out and carry it in your pocket.

1. Everyone does it.

2. What about Chappaquid#^&#^&#^&#^&?

3. A President can’t keep track of everything his staff does.

4. The press is blowing the whole thing up.

5. Whatever Nixon did was for national security.

6. The Democrats are sore because they lost the election.

7. Are you going to believe a rat like John Dean or the president of the United States?

8. Wait till all the facts come out.

9. What about Chappaquid#^&#^&#^&#^&?

10. If you impeach Nixon, you get Agnew.

11. The only thing wrong with Watergate is they got caught.

12. What about Daniel Ellsberg stealing the Pentagon Papers?

13. It happens in Europe all the time.

14. People would be against Nixon no matter what he did.

15. I’d rather have a crook in the White House than a fool.

16. LBJ used to read FBI reports every night.

17. What’s the big deal about finding out what your opposition is up to?

18. The president was too busy running the country to know what was going on.

19. What about Chappaquid#^&#^&#^&#^&?

20. People that live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

21. McGovern would have lost anyway.

22. Maybe the Committee for the Re-Election of the President went a little too far, but they were just a bunch of eager kids.

23. I’m not for breaking the law, but sometimes you have to do it to save the country.

24. Nixon made a mistake. He’s only human.

25. Do you realize what Watergate is doing to the dollar abroad?

26. What about Harry Truman and the deep freeze scandal?

27. Franklin D. Roosevelt did a lot of worse things.

28. I’m sick and tired of hearing about Watergate and so is everyone else.

29. This thing should be tried in the courts and not on TV.

30. When Nixon gives his explanation of what happened there are going to be a lot of people in this country with egg on their faces.

31. My country right or wrong.

32. What about Chappaquid#^&#^&#^&#^&?

33. I think the people who make all this fuss about Watergate should be shot.

34. If the Democrats had the money they would have done the same thing.

35. I never did trust Haldeman and Ehrlichman.

36. If you say one more word about Watergate I’ll punch you in the nose.

A. If the person is bigger than you: “If you say one more word about Watergate, I’m leaving this house.”

B. If it’s your own house and the person is bigger than you: “What about Chappaquid#^&#^&#^&#^&?”

This column was originally published in The Los Angeles Times on July 12, 1973.

Republicans constantly suffer from Historical amnesia ..
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How many times after this article was published was Kennedy re-elected? Those high brow Dems are so responsible.👍🏿🤡
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Typical Trumplican Deflection
🍑🤡
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The more things change the more they stay the same.

🤡🍔🤡
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Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Mr Trump's personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani.
Appear to have had many conversations in newly released state department documents
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Indicted Giuliani associate Lev Parnas is willing to tell Congress about meetings Devin Nunes—the top Republican on the House Intelligence Committee—had in Vienna last year with a former Ukrainian prosecutor to discuss digging up dirt on Joe Biden.
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Parnas’s lawyer says Parnas is also willing to talk about a series of meetings he took part in at the Trump International Hotel in DC about Ukraine. claims he was part of a “team” which met several times a week in a private room on the second floor of the Trump Hotel.
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🐒🍔
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