Funny the administration is also pushing that line.. well the death rate is Low..

Yet many hosptials ICUs are at or near capacity New infections rates are still climbing ..exposing more people to the disease.. and. Its effects but the death rate is low so we'll keep rolling the dice.

The right loves this kind of response.. no gun control. Reason school shooting rarely happen
Global warming . Answer it still snows??
Donald Trump
Look at my 401k
Police reforms ans blacks kill black more than police

His supporters want to cherry pick their support .

I had friends who couldn't believe i voted for Obama
Jokingly i said i voted for the white half .. even that wasn't enough. I was told i voted for him so i own him.

Now theses same friends and some here don't want to apply the same standard to themselves
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He is clearly the greatest president of our lifetime

Washington got hit first 182 deaths per million... RI closing in on 1000 per million....
You're just throwing out statistics with no context and hence have no value. Thank god you don't do scientific research.

Trump: "Well, I think we are in a good place."
Fauci: "We're facing a serious problem now."
On coronavirus testing
Trump: "We're almost up to 40 million in testing, which is unheard of."
Fauci: "This is the thing that is a little bit concerning: You say, well, we now have 37 million tests ... There are still lapses there where the dots are not being connected."
On the mortality rate
Trump: "If you look at the chart of deaths, deaths are way down."
Fauci: "It's a false narrative to take comfort in a lower rate of death."

Let’s see one guy is a perpetual liar and really cares only about his 2020 chances, the other a long time well respected medical professional, who cares only for the safe and responsible slow of this crisis.

Who should I believe, me thinks I will go with the guy with a brain and degree.
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One of two things, either Tweety or the American people are stupid.

The latest tweet
In Germany, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and many other countries, SCHOOLS ARE OPEN WITH NO PROBLEMS. The Dems think it would be bad for them politically if U.S. schools open before the November Election, but is important for the children & families. May cut off funding if not open!

New cases
Germany 10
Denmark 11
Norway 57
Sweden 298
USA 55,442
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60,000 positives today. I'm really getting tired of all this winning and praying we soon stop winning.
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Trump loves big numbers, crowd size, stock market, IQ, he is killing more to get those numbers up.

Think of the absurdity of an Administration who wants local government to control things yet will only support those decisions when the decision is what the Pres. wants.
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republican run and right-wing red state California led the league in deaths yesterday and was right up there in new cases and #2 in active cases behind NY....damn these conservative states and their sunday mass

A large percentage of teachers are forced to buy their own school supplies, let’s pull federal funding if they don’t do as the king demands. There is a pattern here, so many times he has made statements of actions he plans to take, which he probably doesn’t even know he has no power to implement, or if he does; it’s action he would take if given the same power of his dictator friends. Once he realizes he can’t take that action, he flips into punish those he can to make someone pay the price for not following the kings wishes. Mary Trumps book probably has some great insight of why he is so f*cked up.

A large percentage of teachers are forced to buy their own school supplies,



heaven forbid...but they get to write it off don't they?:hee:

Mary Trumps book probably has some great insight of why he is so f*cked up.



you are probably inclined to believe whatever is in there that denigrates trump, should give you plenty to complain about...enjoy the book!

Think of the absurdity of an Administration who wants local government to control things yet will only support those decisions when the decision is what the Pres. wants.
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the president is allowed to have an opinion...like if a local government decides to disband their police force...should a president support that decision if he believes it is wrongheaded?

I don’t need a book to understand how he got to where he is, I’ve dealt with similar men with the same personality defects. Just like I don’t need a book to know who a Trump really is, his minions believe anything he says, especially the young and dumb. Shocked to see in a fishing group I belong to on facebook have a thread about masks becoming the new normal and so many suggesting this is a left hoax and that it magically disappears after November. Several even boldly stated I’m not wearing one now, screw that it’s not even as bad as the flu.

Felt like sending them pictures of what being on a ventilator can be like.

Felt like sending them pictures of what being on a ventilator can be like.



why don't you do that instead of complaining about them here?

republican run and right-wing red state California led the league in deaths yesterday and was right up there in new cases and #2 in active cases behind NY....damn these conservative states and their sunday mass

Highest rate of rise Arizona, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia
California just has a larger population
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Highest rate of rise Arizona, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia
California just has a larger population
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I'm sure that will comfort the dead and their grieving families

why don't you do that instead of complaining about them here?

Don’t know them and I try to keep to fishing, easy to unfollow and post here for fun watching the right and now some GOP senators begin to unravel.

Highest rate of rise Arizona, Florida, South Carolina, Georgia
California just has a larger population
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So....
It is kinda like comparing the US to Canada?
🤡

republican run and right-wing red state California led the league in deaths yesterday and was right up there in new cases and #2 in active cases behind NY....damn these conservative states and their sunday mass

What is the pop. %?

I remember your snarky comments early on about it being all Dems states. Now it is primarily Rep. states.

the president is allowed to have an opinion...like if a local government decides to disband their police force...should a president support that decision if he believes it is wrongheaded?

Seems like his opinion changes depending on whether he agrees with the local decision or not. He is threatening to take $ away from educ. (even though he hasn't told us how). Sort of like the hypocrisy the Rep. states all talk about local control but when the Dem. mayor did things (masks) the hypocites got upset.

I remember your snarky comments early on about it being all Dems states.

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they were...are you trying to suggest they weren't? and they still occupy all of the top spots in death per million

they were...are you trying to suggest they weren't? and they still occupy all of the top spots in death per million

Bc we have learned how to treat/prevent the virus.

Sad you play politics with people's lives.

Bc we have learned how to treat/prevent the virus.

Sad you play politics with people's lives.

not really...

Sad you play politics with people's lives.

You may want to let Pete know about that
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Stable genius the math wizard tweets again, for the first time?

Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
For the 1/100th time, the reason we show so many Cases, compared to other countries that haven’t done nearly as well as we have, is that our TESTING is much bigger and better. We have tested 40,000,000 people. If we did 20,000,000 instead, Cases would be half, etc. NOT REPORTED!
8:39 AM · Jul 9, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

THE FACTS

1) Per capita testing: in regards to number of tests done per 1 million people, the USA is barely in the Top 20 in the world

2) Community spread: cases of COVID19 have surged in multiple states of the USA due to increasing spread of the virus

Denmark: 1 test per 5 residents
US: 1 test per 8.5 residents

Cases yesterday:
Denmark: 12
US: 61,848

You may want to let Pete know about that
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And yet you were strangely quite when Jim carpet-bombed this site with threads for what 8 years. You're a walking definition of hypocrisy.

And yet you were strangely quite when Jim carpet-bombed this site with threads for what 8 years. You're a walking definition of hypocrisy.

Thank you, I always strive to be the best
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If in March I told you that come July, there would be a shortage of PPE, 8-10 day waits to get test results, 60,000 cases/day & nearly 1000 deaths/day, would you have thought we were succeeding or failing?

#KEVINSFAULT
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Angela Merkel yesterday: "As we are experiencing first-hand, you cannot fight the pandemic with lies and disinformation any more than you can fight it with hatred or incitement to hatred... The limits of populism and denial of basic truth are being laid bare."

Thank you, I always strive to be the best
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I’ll tell you one thing.

No matter what, if you don’t have Kev’s back, then I have no reason for you.

He’s one of the most amazing peeps in the world. We could all take a page from his book.
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WHAT? Another daily high, hospitals running out of beds, I thought Trump said we are doing well; he isn’t lying to us is he?

Angela Merkel said the other day: "As we are experiencing first-hand, you cannot fight the pandemic with lies and disinformation any more than you can fight it with hatred or incitement to hatred... The limits of populism and denial of basic truth are being laid bare."
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Angela Merkel said the other day: "As we are experiencing first-hand, you cannot fight the pandemic with lies and disinformation any more than you can fight it with hatred or incitement to hatred... The limits of populism and denial of basic truth are being laid bare."
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25th Amendment

Trump’s leadership here has gone from incompetent to downright criminal. The white elephant is and always has been in the room.
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My hope is Moscow Mitch and some of these other GOP boot lickers who have strapped themselves to the Trump luxury liner go down with the ship.

25th Amendment

Trump’s leadership here has gone from incompetent to downright criminal. The white elephant is and always has been in the room.
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I hear the democrats are already planning another impeachment fiasco for right after he is re-elected....

The White Elephant is overrated

I hear the democrats are already planning another impeachment fiasco for right after he is re-elected....

You been snorting Tweety’s #^&#^&#^&#^&?

In Rasmussen poll (Tweety’s favorite pollster) only 74% of Republicans are voting for him. Not to mention the many conservatives who don’t identify as Republicans anymore because of Tweety.
And now he’s commuting sentences rather than pardon, so his accomplices can still plead the fifth.
And as Tweety says that’s an admission of guilt.
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I hear the democrats are already planning another impeachment fiasco for right after he is re-elected....

I heard they are already planning a Women’s March to protest all those rights that he didn’t take away from them the last time he was elected.
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I hear the democrats are already planning another impeachment fiasco for right after he is re-elected....
They should do it now, why wait.
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They should do it now, why wait.
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we agree:bl:

Unfortunately it's not untrue.

Wait till this afternoon when we see Tweety in his Rose Garden Presser try and pivot the attention from the virus to the riots.
Just like in the 1968 race, when Roger Ailes told Nixon to pivot from Vietnam to the post-King riots.
Nixon went full-on "law and order" not only about African Americans but also about the hippy proto-Bernie Bros in Chicago.

Ailes knew the secret "law and order" was a code for race and for culture anxiety in 1968. The language, the "Silent Majority" crap, the aggrieved whining is 1968 all over again.

Tweety wants the coverage of burning buildings. Tweety wants the cops v protesters.

By later today, you'll see posts about law and order backing a lawless and orderless Administration led by a criminal. Bannon, Miller, and the rest of the Trump fluffers ADORE this culture war.

They're ALREADY modeling how the rioting plays for campaign messaging, I promise you.

Also, 103,000 Americans are dead.

Now 60,000 more are dead, there are riots in the streets and Tweety is claiming to be the Law and Order President exactly as I predicted in May.

Remember what awful president allowed this American carnage to happen

Now 60,000 more are dead, there are riots in the streets and Tweety is claiming to be the Law and Order President exactly as I predicted in May.

Remember what awful president allowed this American carnage to happen

So governors and mayors have zero ownership? It's all on the president?

So the fact that the death rates are insanely high in the democrat-led states, means absolutely nothing. It's all because of a Republican president.

Now 60,000 more are dead, there are riots in the streets and Tweety is claiming to be the Law and Order President exactly as I predicted in May.

Remember what awful president allowed this American carnage to happen

Obama? He didn't restock the basic pandemic supplies and didn't continue keeping the plan in place going which was compounded by China delaying accurate news about the virus, and the WHO playing it down along with our politicians and media in the beginning.

Then Trump having to deal with it while being opposed by Dems and anti-Trumpers, and having to tightrope through a federated constitutional system which slows down and makes more complicated any federal action, especially compared with most of the other systems of government in which the executive and party in power are allowed more freedom and power to act in contrast to our system which gives the opposition more power and opportunity to politick against and make executive action more difficult.

Obama? He didn't restock the basic pandemic supplies and didn't continue keeping the plan in place going which was compounded by China delaying accurate news about the virus, and the WHO playing it down along with our politicians and media in the beginning.

Tweety had 3 years to refill the basic pandemic supplies and didn't. His administration didn't pay attention when warned about other countries buying up the supplies that would shortly be needed.

It was Jan. 22, a day after the first case of covid-19 was detected in the United States, and orders were pouring into Michael Bowen’s company outside Fort Worth, some from as far away as Hong Kong.

Bowen’s medical supply company, Prestige Ameritech, could ramp up production to make an additional 1.7 million N95 masks a week. He viewed the shrinking domestic production of medical masks as a national security issue, though, and he wanted to give the federal government first dibs.

“We still have four like-new N95 manufacturing lines,” Bowen wrote that day in an email to top administrators in the Department of Health and Human Services. “Reactivating these machines would be very difficult and very expensive but could be achieved in a dire situation.”

But communications over several days with senior agency officials — including Robert Kad#^&lec, the assistant secretary for preparedness and emergency response — left Bowen with the clear impression that there was little immediate interest in his offer.


Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on Thursday he was mistaken in claiming that the Obama administration had failed to leave a pandemic playbook for the Trump White House.
Too late to blame China and the WHO for Tweety's failures, you might be able to get a few weeks or at most a month out of that but we are the only developed nation that is still fighting a growing pandemic 4 months later. Probably Bidens fault

Then Trump having to deal with it while being opposed by Dems and anti-Trumpers, and having to tightrope through a federated constitutional system which slows down and makes more complicated any federal action, especially compared with most of the other systems of government in which the executive and party in power are allowed more freedom and power to act in contrast to our system which gives the opposition more power and opportunity to politick against and make executive action more difficult.

So you are admitting that Tweety was and is unable to manage our bureaucracy.
That's exactly why I have been Never Trump since his escalator descent.
Everything is wonderful in Tweety's world until there is a problem, then he finds someone to blame.
"I take no responsibility at all"
"You'll have to ask my lawyer"
“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency.”

So you are admitting that Tweety was and is unable to manage our bureaucracy.
”

He's not supposed to manage our bureaucracy. It's called separation of powers. That's why government is usually in a state of gridlock. Which is not a bad thing. And was intended by the Founders.

You seem to be enamored with the notion of an all powerful President.

A lot of times, Trump has numerously repeated over an over and over that "I alone can fix it".

Trump couldn’t fix his tire with Triple A.

Rich boys suck.
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A lot of times, Trump has numerously repeated over an over and over that "I alone can fix it".

That would be true if what needed fixing was a Presidential responsibility

He's not supposed to manage our bureaucracy. It's called separation of powers. That's why government is usually in a state of gridlock. Which is not a bad thing. And was intended by the Founders.

You seem to be enamored with the notion of an all powerful President.
The President appoints political heads of the bureaucracy, some appointments by law need to be approved by Congress, he’s been failing to perform the required appointments. He’s also blocking the Constitutionally required congressional oversight of his administration. He is responsible for the spending of funds appropriated by Congress.
Contrary to his belief he doesn’t have great powers but does have great responsibility.
Unfortunately as I expected he has failed to rise to the occasion in any problem he has confronted, that’s the definition of a failed president.
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Tweety had 3 years to refill the basic pandemic supplies and didn't.

Why would he ask the CDC to order supplies if the agency didn't request it? How would he have known if, or even suspected if, there was a shortage?

His administration didn't pay attention when warned about other countries buying up the supplies that would shortly be needed.

He did a good job of having our manufacturers produce supplies.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell said on Thursday he was mistaken in claiming that the Obama administration had failed to leave a pandemic playbook for the Trump White House.

A playbook, but no supplies. Obama didn't even follow the guidelines of his own playbook that required keeping an adequate stock. There was no air of emergency until the Chit hit the fan. Then everything had to be geared up from scratch.

Too late to blame China and the WHO for Tweety's failures, you might be able to get a few weeks or at most a month out of that but we are the only developed nation that is still fighting a growing pandemic 4 months later. Probably Bidens fault

So now your narrative is changing from he didn't start soon enough to now its too late. He started when it became clear that China and the WHO had lied. What is it too late for? Fauci thinks that we can turn the corner.

And this virus, like the flu, is not going away. We can, like the flu, mitigate it and contain it to a degree with vaccines and a degree of herd immunity, and further research.

Everything is wonderful in Tweety's world until there is a problem,

It's wonderful for most folks until there is a problem.

then he finds someone to blame.

It's good to find out who did it.

"I take no responsibility at all"

It used to be annoying, but is now farcical how you keep repeating that quote as if Trump constantly says it. The only time I recall it being used by him was in regards to to the CDC's lag in providing test kits. And, as an Atlantic article pointed out " in full context, Trump was referring only to the test kits." And, as well, the Atlantic article further said "in full context, and most-sympathetically read—[it] had a meaning you could understand and perhaps defend. None of that context or meaning survived . . . [and] . . . went from being [a phrase] to [a]weaponized symbol . . . You, in effect, are lying and stripping it of it's original context and weaponizing it in order to constantly bash Trump.


"You'll have to ask my lawyer"

That's a perfectly good thing to say. There are times when a lawyer should do the answering.

“China has been working very hard to contain the Coronavirus. The United States greatly appreciates their efforts and transparency.”

That was pitiful attempt at diplomacy. He still had hopes of securing a trade deal with China. I've said many times that China was in no position to make a fair deal, unless the CCP wanted to commit political suicide. I think, rightly so, that has all gone sour now. But, who knows, if Trump gets re-elected, much to China's chagrin, and the rest of the world wises up about China's intentions, the CCP may have to come to some agreement or face a revolt.

The President appoints political heads of the bureaucracy, some appointments by law need to be approved by Congress, he’s been failing to perform the required appointments. He’s also blocking the Constitutionally required congressional oversight of his administration. He is responsible for the spending of funds appropriated by Congress.

Oh man . . . this is typical political in fighting between branches of government and the duel between political agendas.
You think Obama didn't do this? Or many other "Great" Presidents?

Contrary to his belief he doesn’t have great powers but does have great responsibility.
Unfortunately as I expected he has failed to rise to the occasion in any problem he has confronted, that’s the definition of a failed president.


That's your definition and your application. You may be partly right and greatly wrong. In either case, it's not enough to make anyone who really doesn't want the far left Progressives to get power vote for Biden.

70% of Americans and the rest of the world see Tweety’s failure to live up to his responsibility.
Nobody told me, it’s not my job and either failing to listen or picking #^&#^&#^&#^&ty advisors who won’t tell you anything you don’t want to hear would get any executive in business removed.
I expect it will work that way for Tweety too
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70% of Americans and the rest of the world see Tweety’s failure to live up to his responsibility.
Nobody told me, it’s not my job and either failing to listen or picking #^&#^&#^&#^&ty advisors who won’t tell you anything you don’t want to hear would get any executive in business removed.
I expect it will work that way for Tweety too
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Polls and people often get it wrong. Your negativity doesn't change the dynamics--it's going to be the Progressives vs. Trump. With all his warts and pimples, Trump is the only sane choice.

Tonight with Pandemic raging, millions of people out of work, and the president is is going to address it from his country club with a bunch of wealthy members who pay him personally.
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4 more years

Ivanka 2024
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Tonight with Pandemic raging, millions of people out of work, and the president is is going to address it from his country club with a bunch of wealthy members who pay him personally.
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Terrible as you try to make it seem, still no rational reason to vote for Biden.

Apparently, those who think that the rest of the world has moved away from hydroxychloroquine for covid are misinformed: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/apr/2/hydroxychloroquine-rated-most-effective-therapy-do/

Trump: “We’re doing very well.”

Coronavirus deaths over the last 7 days:

Australia: 70
Canada: 37
France: 51
Germany: 49
Italy: 55
Japan: 27
Spain: 57
Sweden: 27
UK: 414

US: 7,189
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Trump: “We’re doing very well.”

Coronavirus deaths over the last 7 days:

Australia: 70
Canada: 37
France: 51
Germany: 49
Italy: 55
Japan: 27
Spain: 57
Sweden: 27
UK: 414

US: 7,189
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Would be similar numbers if Biden were President. No reason to vote in the way left Progressives.

Would be similar numbers if Biden were President. No reason to vote in the way left Progressives.

Looking forward to the WH Counsel and DOJ explaining what legislation or constitutional provision permits a president through executive order to order unemployment insurance expenditures unauthorized by Congress.
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Would be similar numbers if Biden were President. No reason to vote in the way left Progressives.

Looking forward to the WH Counsel and DOJ explaining what legislation or constitutional provision permits a president through executive order to order unemployment insurance expenditures unauthorized by Congress.
President Biden is looking forward to this taxing and spending power he didn't even know Republicans were fine with him having.
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Looking forward to the WH Counsel and DOJ explaining what legislation or constitutional provision permits a president through executive order to order unemployment insurance expenditures unauthorized by Congress.

It's probably a ploy to elicit Pelosi and Schumer to
stop him because he doesn't have the power to do it, but then they'll look bad because they won't agree to extend the insurance, and they'll darn sure stop Trump from doing so.

President Biden is looking forward to this taxing and spending power he didn't even know Republicans were fine with him having.
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That's a hoot. Progressives got this presidential power grab through unconstitutional exec. orders going a long time ago. We, on the "right" here have been warning that there would be a time when all the unconstitutional power that Progressives have shifted to the federal government would be under the reins of someone they feared.

But that won't stop them from making the shift complete. Any help in doing so by Trump will not go unappreciated. It doesn't seem to bother you. You're all in for President Biden, along with Pelosi, Schumer, and the rising Squad to help finish the job of making the federal government the go to solver for any and all problems, even the ones they create in greater quantity along the way.

And, of course, it's a given for you that they will solve everything that ails us . . . because they're smarter and better. That it might seem, on the surface, that problems have intensified under unconstitutional federal direction, that's just a mirage. It's like that you've got to crack eggs to make an omellete thing. In the long run, you and your eggs don't matter. An all powerful government that will tell us what is good for us, and make us do it--that is what's important. Because we are not capable of making our own omelletes.

Trump: [farts during a speech]

Detbuch: Only leftist elitists would claim that the President passed gas, when in fact his butthole was clearly speaking in the ancient Juncfood dialect of the Amirite language used in Syria 3,000 years ago.
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If you’re keeping track
Obama issued 276 executive orders over eight years. Before today, Trump had issued 177 over less than four. That's almost a 40% increase in the rate of issuance.
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Trump: [farts during a speech]

Detbuch: Only leftist elitists would claim that the President passed gas, when in fact his butthole was clearly speaking in the ancient Juncfood dialect of the Amirite language used in Syria 3,000 years ago.
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You almost got it right . . . except for about 32 words. What, BTW, is juncfood?

If you’re keeping track
Obama issued 276 executive orders over eight years. Before today, Trump had issued 177 over less than four. That's almost a 40% increase in the rate of issuance.
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Not keeping track. Meaningless numbers is your forte. It's not the number of EO's that matter. It's the constitutionality of each. An EO that falls within the power given to the executive branch in the Constitution is constitutional. When the EO started to be used by Progressives outside the constitutional power granted to the President, especially in the FDR presidency, it became an overused method to circumvent the role and wishes of Congress. That Precedent has been set with a vengeance.

A lot of Trump's EO's were removal of executive orders made by Obama. But, as some of us have been saying on this forum, those happy with the EO's made by Progressives (specifically by Obama) there would come a time when someone would come to power that they didn't like. Welcome to your political Frankenstein.

If you’re keeping track
Obama issued 276 executive orders over eight years. Before today, Trump had issued 177 over less than four. That's almost a 40% increase in the rate of issuance.
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When Obama did it, it was the end of the world. Now, not so much.

When Obama did it, it was the end of the world. Now, not so much.

Well, it it's not so much, then why did Pete bring it up?

Well, it it's not so much, then why did Pete bring it up?

Show the hypocrisy of the right
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Show the hypocrisy of the right
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So then, according to Pete, it was much.

If you’re keeping track
Obama issued 276 executive orders over eight years. Before today, Trump had issued 177 over less than four. That's almost a 40% increase in the rate of issuance.
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so whats the magic number that’s ok? lemme guess, obamas
number is perfectly acceptable, but trumps isn’t?
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5 million cases now. Please, I want to stop winning. I'm getting tired of it.
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I'm getting tired of it.


We do have pills for that.

Well, it it's not so much, then why did Pete bring it up?

Silly boy, the same people who screamed about Obama doing EOs
Welcome Tweety’s overreach, much like deficits and the usual Republican economic collapse
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5 million cases now. Please, I want to stop winning. I'm getting tired of it.
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how many are trumps fault?
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Keep this in mind
It has come to this: Even the Canadians don't want us. Cars with US plates are vandalized and Americans sneaking across the border face fines as high as six figures.
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Keep this in mind
It has come to this: Even the Canadians don't want us. Cars with US plates are vandalized and Americans sneaking across the border face fines as high as six figures.
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I'll keep that in mind and not care what Canadians don't want. Canadians are more dependent on the U.S than we are on them. They've had an idiotic superiority complex over us since revolutionary days.

Silly boy, the same people who screamed about Obama doing EOs
Welcome Tweety’s overreach, much like deficits and the usual Republican economic collapse
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Whatever the "same" people screamed about Obama doing EOs is irrelevant to me. If you're talking to me, forget about the "same" people. My objection to EOs is not their existence or mere use of. It is their unconstitutional use of. And it is of that unconstitutional use that Progressives created a massive precedent. To "scream" now that Trump is doing what Progressives have basically institutionalized smacks of selective criticism, especially hypocritical if your not concerned with Progressives gaining control of the federal government.

Trump is not the problem in that respect. Progressivism is. And any little move, even by electing Republicans instead of Democrats, to help put some brakes on the Progressive march to unlimited power, would seem to be a welcome one to you if you truly oppose unconstitutional use of EOs along with the rest of the Progressive abuse of the Constitution.

Any unconstitutional move by Trump can be opposed by suing it in the Courts. If it makes its way to the Supreme, then the four dyed in the wool Progressives along with Roberts and most of the original constitutionalist Judges if not all will strike it down. If the court is packed with Progressive picks, it will uphold unconstitutional acts by Progressive legislators and Progressive Presidents.

That is the issue, not Trump or Biden.

how many are trumps fault?
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Tough to put a number on his incompetence, laziness and lies
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Tough to put a number on his incompetence, laziness and lies
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Tough to put a number on any typical politicians incompetence, laziness and lies. So why is that supposed to be the issue as opposed to difference between Republican and Progressive agendas. If you prefer Progressivism, I suspect you prefer unlimited government power.

You believe in Trump and Trumpism. We believe in decency, democracy, the rule of law, national unity, competence, science, medicine, expert advice, vital American institutions and the Constitution. Oh and you believe in Ghislane Maxwell. Forgot.
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You believe in Trump and Trumpism. We believe in decency, democracy, the rule of law, national unity, competence, science, medicine, expert advice, vital American institutions and the Constitution. Oh and you believe in Ghislane Maxwell. Forgot.
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You believe in bull$hit.

You believe in bull$hit.

Only plan that’s always on Trump’s mind is ‘how can I get mine?’
There’s no healthcare plan.
There’s no economic recovery plan.
There’s no nat’l pandemic mitigation plan.
There’s no safe back to school plan.
There’s no nat’l security plan.
There’s no racial injustice plan.
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You believe in Trump and Trumpism. We believe in decency, democracy, the rule of law, national unity, competence, science, medicine, expert advice, vital American institutions and the Constitution. Oh and you believe in Ghislane Maxwell. Forgot.
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good summary but you forgot empathy and compassion.

Tough to put a number on his incompetence, laziness and lies
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are any the fault of pelosi and diblasio, who told their constituents in late february that it was safe to go out to crowded public places? just curious.
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You believe in Trump and Trumpism. We believe in decency, democracy, the rule of law, national unity, competence, science, medicine, expert advice, vital American institutions and the Constitution. Oh and you believe in Ghislane Maxwell. Forgot.
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democrats believe in democracy. the side that started trying to undo a fair election on day one, and never stopped, that’s the side that believes in democracy.

the side that encourages violent anarchists, they believe in democracy.
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are any the fault of pelosi and diblasio, who told their constituents in late february that it was safe to go out to crowded public places? just curious.
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The difference is that in the beginning the virus was an unknown. So if you want to say it caused some deaths feel free. But that # is nothing compared to the incompetence shown by Trump. He could have prevented many deaths by just wearing a mask (something he very rarely does even today) and by getting out of the way of the experts and stopped contradicting them and giving ammo to the people who opened up too early.

good summary but you forgot empathy and compassion.

Can't bother with that... He is too busy working on healthcare...

President Donald Trump said he plans to approve a healthcare plan "within two weeks," in an interview that aired July 19 on "Fox News Sunday."

He must have meant two months, right? He's only had 3.5 years....

Only plan that’s always on Trump’s mind is ‘how can I get mine?’
There’s no healthcare plan.
There’s no economic recovery plan.
There’s no nat’l pandemic mitigation plan.
There’s no safe back to school plan.
There’s no nat’l security plan.
There’s no racial injustice plan.
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As I said, you believe in bull$hit. If you believe in the Constitution, as you say you do, then you don't believe in the Constitution as written, but in the fictitious one that Progressives claim has evolved through some miraculous living and breathing. Of course, that kind of evolution is nonsense. This fictitious Constitution evolved through Progressive manipulation, not by some time driven life force.

Your desire for these listed national plans is evidence that you want the all-powerful Progressive central government that the Constitution is supposed to protect us against.

Do you believe states are necessary? Would you consider it better if they were relegated merely to being geographically described areas rather than sovereign states with their own constitutions.

Whether you describe your personal political principles as Progressive or not, you constantly express your political desires the way a Progressive would. And if you are a Progressive, you believe in the Constitution as Ruth Bader Ginsburg does. She has said that she would not recommend it as a governing principle for any country looking to create a blue print for national governance. She has said that she would prefer more recent ones with lengthy more detailed positive things government must do.

As I said, you believe in bull$hit. If you believe in the Constitution, as you say you do, then you don't believe in the Constitution as written, but in the fictitious one that Progressives claim has evolved through some miraculous living and breathing. Of course, that kind of evolution is nonsense. This fictitious Constitution evolved through Progressive manipulation, not by some time driven life force.

Your desire for these listed national plans is evidence that you want the all-powerful Progressive central government that the Constitution is supposed to protect us against.

Do you believe states are necessary? Would you consider it better if they were relegated merely to being geographically described areas rather than sovereign states with their own constitutions.

Whether you describe your personal political principles as Progressive or not, you constantly express your political desires the way a Progressive would. And if you are a Progressive, you believe in the Constitution as Ruth Bader Ginsburg does. She would not recommend it as a governing principle for any country looking to create a blue print for national governance. She would prefer more recent ones with lengthy more detailed positive things government must do.



As written. Anything thing else... you dont know what your talking about... question are Trumps actions supported by your originalist view. Of as written ?

As I said, you believe in bull$hit. If you believe in the Constitution, as you say you do, then you don't believe in the Constitution as written, but in the fictitious one that Progressives claim has evolved through some miraculous living and breathing. Of course, that kind of evolution is nonsense. This fictitious Constitution evolved through Progressive manipulation, not by some time driven life force.

Your desire for these listed national plans is evidence that you want the all-powerful Progressive central government that the Constitution is supposed to protect us against.

Do you believe states are necessary? Would you consider it better if they were relegated merely to being geographically described areas rather than sovereign states with their own constitutions.

Whether you describe your personal political principles as Progressive or not, you constantly express your political desires the way a Progressive would. And if you are a Progressive, you believe in the Constitution as Ruth Bader Ginsburg does. She would not recommend it as a governing principle for any country looking to create a blue print for national governance. She would prefer more recent ones with lengthy more detailed positive things government must do.

Forget about the legislative branch, people "want leaders who get things done," reads better in the original Italian or German or Russian. If the liberal tradition of representative government and the rule of law stands for anything, it stands against this.

As written. Anything thing else... you dont know what your talking about... question are Trumps actions supported by your originalist view. Of as written ?

I know what I am talking about. You don't know what I am talking about. We still have enough of "as written" to stop unconstitutional actions by Trump. If we get a thoroughly Progressive Supreme Court, along with its legislative and executive Progressive partners, there will be nothing left to stop "as written" unconstitutional actions.

are any the fault of pelosi and diblasio, who told their constituents in late february that it was safe to go out to crowded public places? just curious.
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You love looking backwards don't yet you praise Trump for his Travel ban band paraise him ... yet yesterday telling Americans its safe to send your kids to school or its disappearing is not problematic and sturges motorcycle rally is What American 1st freedom .. more like me 1st the True Republican way of thinking

The difference is that in the beginning the virus was an unknown. So if you want to say it caused some deaths feel free. But that # is nothing compared to the incompetence shown by Trump. He could have prevented many deaths by just wearing a mask (something he very rarely does even today) and by getting out of the way of the experts and stopped contradicting them and giving ammo to the people who opened up too early.

anything to put 0% blame
on democrats, 100% blame on republicans. anything.

it’s still almost totally an unknown. how did some places do so well without shutting their lives down? no one knows. there’s almost no consensus on anything. zip.

so much is driven by TDS...
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You love looking backwards don't yet you praise Trump for his Travel ban band paraise him ... yet yesterday telling Americans its safe to send your kids to school or its disappearing is not problematic and sturges motorcycle rally is What American 1st freedom .. more like me 1st the True Republican way of thinking

you don’t look backwards to judge what trump has done?

as to his early travel ban, what i like to point out is the liberal
hypocrisy. they all
said he was going too far, that the virus wasn’t that serious. now the same exact people are saying he didn’t do enough in january. that’s not hypocrisy?

did trump say it’s safe to send children to school? or that kids have a need to be in school? can
you post his quote?

i have three kids, and i have no idea what’s in their best interests. no clue. because there’s zero consensus.
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Forget about the legislative branch, people "want leaders who get things done," reads better in the original Italian or German or Russian. If the liberal tradition of representative government and the rule of law stands for anything, it stands against this.

So you don't want leaders who get things done, but you blame Trump for not getting things done. Seems to be a contradiction there.

So you don't want leaders who get things done, but you blame Trump for not getting things done. Seems to be a contradiction there.

Nearly 10,000 Americans have died in the last 9 days

Coronavirus Deaths in the U.S.

August 1, 2020: 153,314

August 10, 2020: 162,938

Tweety has been golfing

Nearly 10,000 Americans have died in the last 9 days

Coronavirus Deaths in the U.S.

August 1, 2020: 153,314

August 10, 2020: 162,938

Tweety has been golfing

Among other things, he has been golfing. He shouldn't play golf? Do you want him to be the autocrat you seem to be saying you don't want, but merely that he is responsible for everything. Didn't find that responsibility in the Constitution as written, but could very well be interpreted as so by a Progressive Judge.

anything to put 0% blame
on democrats, 100% blame on republicans. anything.

it’s still almost totally an unknown. how did some places do so well without shutting their lives down? no one knows. there’s almost no consensus on anything. zip.

so much is driven by TDS...
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Right - TDS is the failure to criticize Trump for things the Repubs. criticized Obama for constantly (edit - similar to the above post re golf) and for things they used to say where core principles of their beliefs.

As Tweety tweeted
President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!
By the way Tweety has played more golf than Obama did in two terms
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As Tweety tweeted
President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!
By the way Tweety has played more golf than Obama did in two terms
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so again, what’s the maximum allowable number of rounds
of golf? once again, i bet it’s more than obama but less than trump. right?

no sane person should care if the president plays golf except during the middle of an actual emergency like an invasion. it was stupid to criticize obama for it, stupid to
criticize trump for it.
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I know what I am talking about. You don't know what I am talking about.


I have no illusions who thinks their the smartest guy here .. :cheers2:

so again, what’s the maximum allowable number of rounds
of golf? once again, i bet it’s more than obama but less than trump. right?

no sane person should care if the president plays golf except during the middle of an actual emergency like an invasion. it was stupid to criticize obama for it, stupid to
criticize trump for it.
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Well since you and many other Repubs. constantly complained about Obama playing golf (and many other petty things) isn't it the height of hypocrisy not to criticize Trump since he is playing golf at a far higher rate than Obama (and never mind it is during a virus that has killed over 160K with no end in sight)?

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Yes mixed messages starting at the top. And his need to do what makes him look good hidden in his it's just going to go away.....Go with what your eyes see and common sense dictates

I do not envy any family facing this decision or the logistical nightmare around it yes other countries have opened school but with like almost no new cases some with out issue some with issues

More than 97,000 children tested positive for Covid-19 in the last two weeks of July, report says.


While they may not be being hospitalized that was never the major concern in was spread into homes and staff .. so the fire never goes out it's just on endless loop

Well since you and many other Repubs. constantly complained about Obama playing golf (and many other petty things) isn't it the height of hypocrisy not to criticize Trump since he is playing golf at a far higher rate than Obama (and never mind it is during a virus that has killed over 160K with no end in sight)?

i think ( could be wrong) that the only time i said anything about obama and golfing, was when he did it the day an american was slaughtered by a terrorist. even then, it’s not the end of the world, doesn’t mean obama didn’t care, but the optics are bad. other than that, play all day every day, as long as you get the job done.

paul, the hypocrisy goes both ways. the dems didn’t are about obama’s golf, but care about trumps golf. that kind of idiotic hypocrisy exists on both sides.

so why not ignore that nonsense, and talk about policies and results? trump has plenty of policy failures to satisfy your desire to bash him, there’s no need to criticize him for things you would
never criticize obama over, and same goes for
me.
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so again, what’s the maximum allowable number of rounds
of golf? once again, i bet it’s more than obama but less than trump. right?

no sane person should care if the president plays golf except during the middle of an actual emergency like an invasion. it was stupid to criticize obama for it, stupid to
criticize trump for it.
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This is the bigger issue

Secret Service has paid rates as high as $650 a night for rooms at Trump’s properties

Trump has spent a 3rd of his time in office at his properties on avg that 120 some odd days a year


Trump-branded properties charged federal government at least $1.2 million, records show


So are you ok with Trump making money off the taxpayer. Even him refusing his paycheck of 400k cant excuse his behavior

This is the bigger issue

Secret Service has paid rates as high as $650 a night for rooms at Trump’s properties

Trump has spent a 3rd of his time in office at his properties on avg that 120 some odd days a year


Trump-branded properties charged federal government at least $1.2 million, records show


So are you ok with Trump making money off the taxpayer. Even him refusing his paycheck of 400k cant excuse his behavior

no, i’m not ok with trump, or any elected official, using their office to steer money to themselves, friends, or families. i don’t like trump doing this. nor do i like biden’s son getting a lucrative job he’s obviously unqualified for, because of who his daddy is.

that’s the difference between us. you can only call out this behavior on the opposing side, you’re incapable of calling it out on your own side. I have no problem doing that . none.
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The "Law and Order" president breaks another law in a desperate attempt to ameliorate the disorder he caused. Look around -- when was the last time we were surrounded by this much lawlessness and chaos?

i think ( could be wrong) that the only time i said anything about obama and golfing, was when he did it the day an american was slaughtered by a terrorist. even then, it’s not the end of the world, doesn’t mean obama didn’t care, but the optics are bad. other than that, play all day every day, as long as you get the job done.

paul, the hypocrisy goes both ways. the dems didn’t are about obama’s golf, but care about trumps golf. that kind of idiotic hypocrisy exists on both sides.I agree there is hypocrisy on both sides but we just had 8 years of discussing the most petty things. You yourself wanted to see Obama's transcripts even though he never discussed them. Why don't you care about Trump's when he bragged he grad. at the "top" of his class yet had his lawyers threaten to sue if UPenn released his transcripts. If I grad "top" of my class, I wouldn't care if the school released them.

so why not ignore that nonsense, and talk about policies and results? trump has plenty of policy failures to satisfy your desire to bash him, there’s no need to criticize him for things you would
never criticize obama over, and same goes for
me.
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NM

Secret Service has paid rates as high as $650 a night for rooms at Trump’s properties



They just upped the cost to stay at his hotel in Wash. the night of his acceptance speech.

As Tweety tweeted
President Obama has a major meeting on the N.Y.C. Ebola outbreak, with people flying in from all over the country, but decided to play golf!
By the way Tweety has played more golf than Obama did in two terms
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He has probably eaten a lot more than Obama too. He should probably consult with Obama on how much he should eat and play golf. That would make him a good President. And maybe he should have consulted with Obama on which judges to nominate.

The "Law and Order" president breaks another law in a desperate attempt to ameliorate the disorder he caused. Look around -- when was the last time we were surrounded by this much lawlessness and chaos?

Trump is such an autocrat that nothing happens without him. He ordered the riots going on across the country. Dude simply has too much power. Someone needs to take him to Court about instigating those riots.

Can't bother with that... He is too busy working on healthcare...

President Donald Trump said he plans to approve a healthcare plan "within two weeks," in an interview that aired July 19 on "Fox News Sunday."

He must have meant two months, right? He's only had 3.5 years....

What part of Article 2 says that he should enforce empathy and compassion? Or to work on healthcare? You and Paul, like Pete, want an autocrat President?

So Trump doesn't know the constitution?

What part of Article 2 says that he should enforce empathy and compassion? Or to work on healthcare? You and Paul, like Pete, want an autocrat President?

Tweety said he was working on healthcare, probably he will be as successful as he was with his wall which other countries have now effectively created to keep Americans out.
The Canadians in particular have stopped the caravans of Americans.
When he’s done you will likely have gotten your healthcare wish as he will have destroyed what little system we have.
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Tweety said he was working on healthcare, probably he will be as successful as he was with his wall which other countries have now effectively created to keep Americans out.
The Canadians in particular have stopped the caravans of Americans.
When he’s done you will likely have gotten your healthcare wish as he will have destroyed what little system we have.
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So we have a little health care system and Trump is going to destroy it. How come the Dems have not sued him in the Courts for doing this? How has he even had the power to destroy our health system? How have we come to this point in our history that a President can destroy the country's various health systems? How has he gotten such power? Not in Article 2. Have we not been following the Constitution? Has the Progressive erosion of our constitutional system created a Presidency that has the power to shut down all the health systems, private and public, that we have in this country?

NM

i so t care to see obamas transcripts, i just think it's interesting that he went to great lengths to hide them. gotta be a reason. the democrats ridiculed bush for his transcripts, yet never asked obama for
anything.

paul, we can go back
and forth all day with examples of hypocrisy on all sides. i don’t care about obama’s grades one bit. i only brought them up, to show the hypocrisy on the issue.
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i so t care to see obamas transcripts, i just think it's interesting that he went to great lengths to hide them. gotta be a reason. the democrats ridiculed bush for his transcripts, yet never asked obama for
anything.

paul, we can go back
and forth all day with examples of hypocrisy on all sides. i don’t care about obama’s grades one bit. i only brought them up, to show the hypocrisy on the issue.
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But you're the one who wanted the transcripts and now you want to talk about only serious things?

Should we discuss how many states Obama said he visited again?

But you're the one who wanted the transcripts and now you want to talk about only serious things?

Should we discuss how many states Obama said he visited again?

no i didn’t want the transcripts ( i see very little
connection between gpa and intelligence). i only brought it up
to show the hypocrisy.

and i never, ever used the 57 states thing, again except to point out the hypocrisy. i said a million times that anyone will
say dumb things if recorded 24/7.

i didn’t need to be petty in my criticism
if obama. there were more than enough america-bashing policy disasters to focus on. i never, ever said that his 57 states comment
meant anything, except to say it should
mean the same as any stupid comments made
by republicans.

Biden’s obviously senility is a different story, but we will
likely have a lot of opportunity to get used to that, if he wins.

i’m not the grammar police paul. i’m not that stupid. i focus on things that matter.
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right. You only did it to point out the hypocrisy but now want to discuss the serious things.

I got it.

Yo Semites, Thighland, Minneanopolis, plosma, totallyterrytism, Ulysseus S. Grant, America's frownders -- these and more are all from Tweety.

Now Tweety and his minions are trying to convince you it's Biden who's cognitively challenged?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqvGXGN4DA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBRauvbHL8Q

Yo Semites, Thighland, Minneanopolis, plosma, totallyterrytism, Ulysseus S. Grant, America's frownders -- these and more are all from Tweety.

Now Tweety and his minions are trying to convince you it's Biden who's cognitively challenged?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqvGXGN4DA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBRauvbHL8Q

They are both, like most of us, very flawed people. But it's not about which least flawed person should we vote for. It's about whether to slow down and continue to slowly reverse the Progressive agenda of an unlimited government, or to put its agenda back in high gear.

Not about Trump the narcist renegade

Not about Biden the decrepit phony Democrat tool.

Not about Trump . . . not about Biden . . .

Perhaps you could go and educate Tweety about the Constitution

Or you could just ........ https://www.privateislandsonline.com/search?availability=sale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZiNdubvI6E

Perhaps you could go and educate Tweety about the Constitution

Or you could just ........ https://www.privateislandsonline.com/search?availability=sale

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZiNdubvI6E

It's not about Trump. It's not about Biden. You keep trying to drag us into a discussion of Trump. It's not about Trump. He is not supposed to make law. Nor is the Court supposed to make law. The more we vote for Progressives, the more Presidents and Judges will be empowered to make law. Educate yourself about the Constitution. And about the Progressive agenda re the Constitution and The Court.

It's not about Trump. It's not about Biden.

I’m pretty sure the upcoming election is about both, one has a clue and the other is clueless. We all are really sure who your voting for, but you keep preaching to an audience of what three or four, it’s really sad to watch. Nothing you say is going to change our minds, but I have to say, you and Pete are relentless in your efforts. If a gray squirrel was on the Democratic ticket against Trump, Rocky the flying squirrel gets my vote.

I’m pretty sure the upcoming election is about both, one has a clue and the other is clueless. We all are really sure who your voting for, but you keep preaching to an audience of what three or four, it’s really sad to watch. Nothing you say is going to change our minds, but I have to say, you and Pete are relentless in your efforts. If a gray squirrel was on the Democratic ticket against Trump, Rocky the flying squirrel gets my vote.

oh my yes, biden sees things more clearly then trump. watch the first debate, then let’s see if you can say that with a straight face.

biden PROMISED that if he won, there’d be a cure for cancer. go ahead and defend that. tell us that’s not taking advantage of people at their most desperate and vulnerable.
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Cracks me up you guys keep thinking anything you say will change votes on this message board, I’m just having fun now as I’m locked in.
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Cracks me up you guys keep thinking anything you say will change votes on this message board, I’m just having fun now as I’m locked in.
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so it’s a character flaw when others post, but let
me guess, not when you do it? you’re getting stupider and meaner.
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so it’s a character flaw when others post, but let
me guess, not when you do it? you’re getting stupider and meaner.
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I never said it was a character flaw, I thought I clearly said it cracks me up that posts continue to be put up, in what appears on the surface to be an attempt to change others perspectives and that on this board will NEVER happen. Post away, enjoy your freedom of speech, I find it humorous to see the continuing debates as if anything on either side will change. We are over 5 million cases, this crazy wacky board is like late night TV to me, sad and funny at the same time.

I’m pretty sure the upcoming election is about both, one has a clue and the other is clueless. We all are really sure who your voting for, but you keep preaching to an audience of what three or four, it’s really sad to watch. Nothing you say is going to change our minds, but I have to say, you and Pete are relentless in your efforts. If a gray squirrel was on the Democratic ticket against Trump, Rocky the flying squirrel gets my vote.

You're not going to get me to change my vote.

Bump, for two reasons...
1. Any word on the big healthcare reform that was supposed to happen in two weeks, months ago?
2. Looks like Trump knew Covid was pretty bad in February but downplayed it anyways (via Bob Woodward)... Still digesting this one, and want to read the transcripts for full context....

2. Looks like Trump knew Covid was pretty bad in February but downplayed it anyways (via Bob Woodward)... Still digesting this one, and want to read the transcripts for full context....
I doubt you'll see the transcripts other than the recordings he released. It's not that alarming :rollem: We knew Trump has been selfishly misleading Americans and costing lives to minimize political harm. Only difference now is that it's clear he was fully informed to the seriousness of the pandemic from the beginning and has lied incessantly about it.

It's not even like his shirking his oath to the Constitution any more, Trump has been intentionally working to harm Americans.

It's not that alarming :rollem:

Nope, not at all. Insert my shocked face here that Trump was caught blatantly lying :fishslap:





p.s. still waiting for that promised healthcare reform, I thought it was supposed to be day 1.....

You could just listen to the tape, though his followers will claim he's just misunderstood or was joking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-I5dcEK_wg

Nope, not at all. Insert my shocked face here that Trump was caught blatantly lying :fishslap:





p.s. still waiting for that promised healthcare reform, I thought it was supposed to be day 1.....


Considering the blatant lie or mistruth count is up over 20,000 at this point, getting the honest real truth about anything would be the real shocker. I’m sure our resident Sarah Huckleberry Mr. Debate will get out his blue font to tell us how wrong we are to call them lies. I really think it’s time for him to change the blue font to the real color he represents on this board, it would be more honest.

You could just listen to the tape, though his followers will claim he's just misunderstood or was joking.
They're just going to say he's always told the truth and cares deeply about the health and safety of the American people. His base will just lap it up.

Considering the blatant lie or mistruth count is up over 20,000 at this point,.



so happy you found a hobby

They're just going to say he's always told the truth and cares deeply about the health and safety of the American people. His base will just lap it up.

so happy you found a hobby

case in point

so happy you found a hobby

Poking fun at the Trumpets on this board I’d categorize as an amusement, my hobby’s include golf (down to a 3 handicap), fishing and working in the yard. Sampling as many good IPA’s is also a hobby of sorts, which has the benefit of keeping me regular as clockwork in the morning.

case in point



this might be a record :biglaugh:

this might be a record :biglaugh:

I think that would be the 195K dead
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