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spence 12-18-2020, 02:54 PM Gov Cuomo killed thousands by forcing nursing homes to admit covid-positive patients, this was long after we all knew it was going to target the elderly. But you have nothing to say about that. None of you do.
Because your description isn’t really true.
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Pete F. 12-18-2020, 03:03 PM Is this Cuomo's fault, or are you claiming that because some other countries failed, that the USA being one of the worst in it's class despite being historically the most prepared and proactive is acceptable to you?
Just to show how much of an outlier the US is from better performing rich, developed countries, here are covid deaths per million people (adjusted for population) since the pandemic began:
Japan: 21
Australia: 35
South Korea: 12
Norway: 74
New Zealand: 5
Taiwan: 0.3
US: 948
detbuch 12-18-2020, 04:26 PM Is this Cuomo's fault, or are you claiming that because some other countries failed, that the USA being one of the worst in it's class despite being historically the most prepared and proactive is acceptable to you?
Just to show how much of an outlier the US is from better performing rich, developed countries, here are covid deaths per million people (adjusted for population) since the pandemic began:
Japan: 21
Australia: 35
South Korea: 12
Norway: 74
New Zealand: 5
Taiwan: 0.3
US: 948
The U.S. was not the most prepared for covid because, neither at the federal level, nor, more importantly, at the state level, it had not maintained the required stock of supplies. And that lapse predated Trump and there is no evidence that Trump was briefed about it--rather it seems to have been an atrophy of neglect. And testing was delayed because of the built-in hurdles of regulation and protocol of the CDC. Trump had to assert a legal bypass of the regulatory and protocol demands in order to bring preparation and execution up to speed, as well as correcting the supply shortage. Which he did, but time was, systemically, lost.
And comparing those countries to the U.S. is meaningless if you don't consider the extreme differences in law, demographics, and culture between them and us.
South Korea, Taiwan, and Japan are much smaller landmasses with extremely homogenous populations which are culturally far more ready to unquestioningly do the will of their governments. And their governments are far more centralized under a basically unitary legal framework. The other countries, to varying degrees, have similar differences with us. We have a sprawling landmass populated densely in some places and loosely in most others by people of different cultures, ideologies, and levels of willingness to do what government asks or recommends. And each place, whether state or city, is a separate fiefdom united in a federated system which limits and encumbers the national government from dictating uniform types and levels of action.
Trump did his part well and more energetically than many of the other units of our federation. With the political division at all levels, including opposition to, and ridicule for, most anything he did or proposed, he did amazingly well. For instance, he was painted as some kind idiot for saying we might have a vaccine ready to distribute before the end of the year.
He was right, and was instrumental in getting that done.
scottw 12-18-2020, 04:33 PM Just to show how much of an outlier the US is from better performing rich, developed countries, here are covid deaths per million people (adjusted for population) since the pandemic began:
Japan: 21
Australia: 35
South Korea: 12
Norway: 74
New Zealand: 5
Taiwan: 0.3
US: 948
Belgium 1582
Italy 1113
UK 978
France 912
pete likes to cherry pick...Norway...that's a good comparison:scream:
Got Stripers 12-18-2020, 04:37 PM DeBarr has spoken it must be true. Trump did his part are you fuc*ing kidding me, that is a joke. His messaging from the start has taken lives not saved lives, super spreader events, no national mask messaging and just sitting in the residence tweeting and brooding after the election loss.
scottw 12-18-2020, 05:06 PM DeBarr has spoken it must be true. Trump did his part are you fuc*ing kidding me, that is a joke. His messaging from the start has taken lives not saved lives, super spreader events, no national mask messaging and just sitting in the residence tweeting and brooding after the election loss.
pretty sure he said masks are partiotic...that was way back in the middle of summer I beleive...they wear a lot of masks in california I hear and they are pretty obedient little leftists generally...they had like 50k cases the other day(On Thursday, the state reported a staggering 52,000 new cases in a single day)
Got Stripers 12-18-2020, 06:00 PM pretty sure he said masks are partiotic...that was way back in the middle of summer I beleive...they wear a lot of masks in california I hear and they are pretty obedient little leftists generally...they had like 50k cases the other day(On Thursday, the state reported a staggering 52,000 new cases in a single day)
You two are predictable in defense, but Trump has missed so many opportunities to set a national messaging on this pandemic and hasn’t been the leader we needed, but you are o& course entitled to your opinion of his performance. I’d grade it as a D, not even a passing grade, always reactive due to pressure and never proactive based on facts and science.
detbuch 12-18-2020, 07:01 PM You two are predictable in defense, but Trump has missed so many opportunities to set a national messaging on this pandemic and hasn’t been the leader we needed, but you are o& course entitled to your opinion of his performance. I’d grade it as a D, not even a passing grade, always reactive due to pressure and never proactive based on facts and science.
And you are totally predictable in making unsubstantiated proclamations. Wow--you grade it a D. Such an expert. Perhaps you missed this total beatdown of your expert opinion in the Maybe thread:
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Another really stupid question, let me schedule a meeting of my cabinet members. Let’s be realistic, in the past war was bloody, messy, expensive and cost lives. This is a new type of warfare and Trump is a weak leader, incapable of handling an attack on our country, he can’t even acknowledge it’s happened.]
This made me chuckle. Trump is accused by you guys of being a tyrant, a Hitler, an autocrat. Then you say he is weak.
He strengthened our military, added a new Space Force which will help the fight against cyber war and China's AI war with us. But you say he is incapable of handling an attack on our country.
As for this being a new type of warfare and Trump being a weak leader not capable of handling an attack and not acknowledging that we are at war, there's this from a June 23. 2019 NBC news article:
"The other side thought they could just walk all over us," said one expert. "There was a decision in this administration to impose consequences." "With little public scrutiny, the U.S. military has drastically stepped up its secret hacking of foreign computer networks in a new effort to keep China, Russia, Iran and other adversaries on their heels, current and former U.S. officials tell NBC News.
Empowered with new legal authority from both Congress and President Donald Trump, the military's elite cyber force has conducted more operations in the first two years of the Trump administration than it did in eight years under Obama, officials say — including against Russia, despite Trump's well-documented affinity for Vladimir Putin.
The general in charge of the push, Paul Nakasone, has spoken about the new policy in cryptic terms such as "persistent engagement," and "defending forward," without explaining what that means. Multiple current and former American officials briefed on the matter say military hackers are breaking into foreign networks, striking at enemy hackers and planting cyber bombs that would disable infrastructure in the event of a conflict. The officials declined to confirm or deny a New York Times report that an element of these classified operations included hacking into Russia's power grid, but they said that such a move would be a standard response to similar behavior by Russia and China. U.S. officials have said that those countries have for years planted malware that could turn out the lights in parts of the U.S.
"This is no different than a spy satellite," one senior U.S. official briefed on the matter told NBC News. "What this is is finding vulnerabilities in people's military and civilian infrastructure. That's how you should think of it."
Over the last decade, U.S. responses to foreign cyberattacks "have been tenuous, they have been episodic, we really haven't done anything," said Nakasone, who is both the commander of U.S. Cyber Command and the director of the National Security Agency, during a question and answer session at the Marshall Forum in April. "We are going to ensure that our adversaries know that there are limits within which they can operate…. No longer are we going to be on the sidelines."
I asked you "What swift and severe punishment are you recommending?" You came up with nothing.
wdmso 12-18-2020, 07:19 PM wayne, you believe everything you believe and regurgitate is truth and anything that disagrees with your truth is conspiracy theory.....that's self-delusion :uhuh:
It has nothing to do with disagreeing on an actual point..
But iam sorry if I refuse to entertain lies and falsehoods presented as actual facts..
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wdmso 12-18-2020, 07:21 PM The January 6th Plan is going into operation. Senator Tuberville is onboard whether Rand Paul is or not.
If the January 6th Plan should fail to produce a Trump victory then he will declare martial law and rerun the election under military supervision in the disputed swing states.
We all know who doesn’t disagree with this plan ....
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scottw 12-19-2020, 02:12 AM but you are o& course entitled to your opinion of his performance. I’d grade it as a D, not even a passing grade,
I believe a D is a passing grade...
scottw 12-19-2020, 02:32 AM here are covid deaths per million people (adjusted for population) since the pandemic began:
Japan: 21
Australia: 35
South Korea: 12
Norway: 74
New Zealand: 5
Taiwan: 0.3
US: 948
dear pete....
states and dictators with strict measures
NJ 2054
NY 1862
Mass 1684
CT 1565
RI 1534
states and governors maligned for not having stricter measures
Fl 950
TX 885
Sc 946
GA 973
scottw 12-19-2020, 02:33 AM The January 6th Plan is going into operation.
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this is very exciting!!
Pete F. 12-19-2020, 05:24 AM dear pete....
states and dictators with strict measures
NJ 2054
NY 1862
Mass 1684
CT 1565
RI 1534
states and governors maligned for not having stricter measures
Fl 950
TX 885
Sc 946
GA 973
Don’t worry they are catching up
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scottw 12-19-2020, 06:20 AM Don’t worry they are catching up
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maybe....probably not
yesterday new deaths
CA 278 #1
TX 262
PA 229
Il 221
NY 121
FL 108
NJ 51
GA 38
SC 29
new york , mass and nj are on the upswing...california is worse than most countries...probably even worse than Norway :bl:
RI had a good number yesterday!...of course the state testing facilities were closed the day before due to snow storm but our idiot governor spun that into success for her brilliant strategizing...she's a piece of work
Pete F. 12-19-2020, 09:12 AM You do know that deaths without any correlation to population is meaningless.
California would be one of the top 50 countries in the world by population and is almost ten times Norway’s.
NY and NJ are both doing relatively well in infection rate and that’s what counts in controlling a pandemic.
I do see that Tennessee is #1 followed by California and Rhode Island.
Must have some virulent Trumplicans down there.
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scottw 12-19-2020, 09:50 AM .
NY and NJ are both doing relatively well in infection rate and that’s what counts in controlling a pandemic.
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don't hold your breath
wdmso 12-19-2020, 02:46 PM QAnon scored its first national political victory on Tuesday when Marjorie Taylor Greene,
Taylor Greene: Assange, Snowden Risked Their Lives to Expose Deep State
the Republican party where the truth goes to die
detbuch 12-19-2020, 04:03 PM QAnon scored its first national political victory on Tuesday when Marjorie Taylor Greene,
Taylor Greene: Assange, Snowden Risked Their Lives to Expose Deep State
the Republican party where the truth goes to die
I don't have a dog in the QAnon hunt, but could you explain, precisely, what is not truthful about "Assange, Snowden Risked Their Lives to Expose Deep State"?
scottw 12-19-2020, 05:23 PM QAnon
forgot about Q...what's the latest?
scottw 12-19-2020, 05:29 PM the Republican party where the truth goes to die
the democrat party...where dead people go to vote :bl:
wdmso 12-19-2020, 06:51 PM the democrat party...where dead people go to vote :bl:
Like I said where truth goes to die
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wdmso 12-19-2020, 06:54 PM WTF are you talking about? Nancy Pelosi admitted that she blocked passing a smaller relief bill, but now that Biden won, she'll vote for it. She admitted that.
WHat is your evidence that democrats care more "people" than Republicans? Because the data shows clearly that conservatives are actually more likely to give money and time to charity, than liberals, and if you consider the role that religion plays on both sides, that is to be expected.
Also waiting for you to support your absurd claim that Republicans blame Biden for the recent covid spike.
Gov Cuomo killed thousands by forcing nursing homes to admit covid-positive patients, this was long after we all knew it was going to target the elderly. But you have nothing to say about that. None of you do.
republican=bad, democrat=good. We get it.
How about you think for yourself, for two consecutive seconds, and see how it feels? Just two consecutive seconds.
God you're a simpleton.
WHo started the Chicago fire, Wayne? Sarah Palin?
Jim wake up Republicans don’t care about the avg America your boy Trumps doesn’t care about the avg American and you defending them at every turn over everything shows you don’t care about the avg American..
So please wake up from you kool aid high. You don’t even read it wasn’t Covid it was unemployment numbers ,, still waiting for you to hold Trump responsible for anything
What about Trump talking about martial law at the White House to over turn the election let me guess you can excuse that also
But Republicans have honor integrity ethics ya ok maybe 20years ago
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scottw 12-19-2020, 07:29 PM What about Trump talking about martial law at the White House
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You are confused again...he was talking about martial arts....
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wdmso 12-21-2020, 09:00 AM Trump supporters demanded a ‘brand new election overseen by the military,’ anti-mask protesters surrounded the homes of health officials, GOP reps doubled down on conspiracy theories on national tv , Republicans hard at work
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scottw 12-21-2020, 09:40 AM Trump supporters demanded a ‘brand new election overseen by the military,’ anti-mask protesters surrounded the homes of health officials, GOP reps doubled down on conspiracy theories on national tv , Republicans hard at work
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anything get burned down yet?
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 11:44 AM Jim wake up Republicans don’t care about the avg America your boy Trumps doesn’t care about the avg American and you defending them at every turn over everything shows you don’t care about the avg American..
So please wake up from you kool aid high. You don’t even read it wasn’t Covid it was unemployment numbers ,, still waiting for you to hold Trump responsible for anything
What about Trump talking about martial law at the White House to over turn the election let me guess you can excuse that also
But Republicans have honor integrity ethics ya ok maybe 20years ago
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trump cut my taxes. he increased funding at black colleges. so i laugh at your idea that republicans in general, don’t care about regular people. it’s liberals who throw regular people under the bus again and again.
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Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 12:05 PM Jim wake up Republicans don’t care about the avg America your boy Trumps doesn’t care about the avg American and you defending them at every turn over everything shows you don’t care about the avg American..
So please wake up from you kool aid high. You don’t even read it wasn’t Covid it was unemployment numbers ,, still waiting for you to hold Trump responsible for anything
What about Trump talking about martial law at the White House to over turn the election let me guess you can excuse that also
But Republicans have honor integrity ethics ya ok maybe 20years ago
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and you know you’re
lying when you say i always defend him. you’re the one who does the same thing every time, you criticize him. you’re incapable of dojng anything else.
i can be fair, criticize him when he deserves it, praise him when he deserves it.
you also need to understand that there’s a lot more to “republicans” than trump. he’s not the party. our ideas are the party, and our ideas, for the most part, are vastly superior to liberal ideas. more common sense, more mathematical realism, more compassion. not even close.
i live in CT, where liberals have ruled for 50 years. liberalism is brutal on the “regular guys.”. CT is turning into a place that has two
kinds of people, the wealthy, and those who clean their pools. i see no concern for regular guys among the liberal agenda.
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Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 12:16 PM still waiting for you to hold Trump responsible for anything
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he’s responsible for his disgusting personal antics, for not improving health insurance, for not getting mexico to pay for the wall, and for nit sending in troops to put down the violent lefty protests this summer. can you comprehend, that this is me holding him accountable? or did that go over your head?
now, we’re all waiting for you and all the liberals here, to admit the benefits of his policies - tax cuts, job growth, low unemployment, lowest black unemployment ever, increasing funding for black colleges, criminal justice reform, progress towards peace in the middle east, not getting us involved in questionable wars, crushing ISIS, creation of economic opportunity zones, etc.
you act as if i’m the blind partisan. obviously it’s you. You’re the one, not me, who ignores reality and makes a partisan argument every single time. every. single. time.
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wdmso 12-21-2020, 01:08 PM he’s responsible for his disgusting personal antics, for not improving health insurance, for not getting mexico to pay for the wall, and for nit sending in troops to put down the violent lefty protests this summer. can you comprehend, that this is me holding him accountable? or did that go over your head?
now, we’re all waiting for you and all the liberals here, to admit the benefits of his policies - tax cuts, job growth, low unemployment, lowest black unemployment ever, increasing funding for black colleges, criminal justice reform, progress towards peace in the middle east, not getting us involved in questionable wars, crushing ISIS, creation of economic opportunity zones, etc.
you act as if i’m the blind partisan. obviously it’s you. You’re the one, not me, who ignores reality and makes a partisan argument every single time. every. single. time.
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Trumps not a republican and any republican who signed up to overthrow the election via Texas is not a republican and we will see on Jan 6th how many of these so called republicans will go along with that fools errand ,,
and how many are speaking out against Flynn and Trump for suggesting using the military to re do the elections in states trump lost 0r suggesting its not russia it may be china or appointing Sidney Powel as special investigator or 1 for Hunter?
where has Trump been on covid ? Covid bill russian hack MIA jim its been said he loves being President He doesn't love working or acting like one ..
Jim dont get mad at me for attacking these people their lies their attempts to overthrow an election they have hijacked the republican party and you like many other republicans have allowed it to happen
I am no partisan. this is so much bigger than that
but keep falling back on the great things you think hes done and keep ignoring was he has failed to do
Pete F. 12-21-2020, 01:49 PM Skyscreaming again I see
Poor victim
Meanwhile Sidney Powell is meeting with Tweety in the residence, away from adult supervision.
And the felon he pardoned is advocating sedition.
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scottw 12-21-2020, 01:54 PM I am no partisan.
funniest thing ever written in these pages...
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 01:58 PM Trumps not a republican and any republican who signed up to overthrow the election via Texas is not a republican and we will see on Jan 6th how many of these so called republicans will go along with that fools errand ,,
and how many are speaking out against Flynn and Trump for suggesting using the military to re do the elections in states trump lost 0r suggesting its not russia it may be china or appointing Sidney Powel as special investigator or 1 for Hunter?
where has Trump been on covid ? Covid bill russian hack MIA jim its been said he loves being President He doesn't love working or acting like one ..
Jim dont get mad at me for attacking these people their lies their attempts to overthrow an election they have hijacked the republican party and you like many other republicans have allowed it to happen
I am no partisan. this is so much bigger than that
but keep falling back on the great things you think hes done and keep ignoring was he has failed to do
"Trumps not a republican"
Yet you constantly hold all Republicans accountable for everything bad he does (while not giving them credit, of course, for the good things he does).
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"where has Trump been on covid ?"
Where would you like him to be?
Here's what Govs Cuomo and Newsom had to say.
Cuomo, in April, called Trumps response a "phenomenal accomplishment".
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bronsonstocking/2020/04/19/cuomo-calls-trumps-coronavirus-response-a-phenomenal-accomplishment-n2567194
And Newsom..."every single direct request Trump was capable of meeting, he has met".
https://www.poordonkey.com/california-gov-gavin-newsom-praises-president-trump-for-his-coronavirus-response/
"I am no partisan. "
You are the textbook definition of a rabid, blind, thoughtless zombie partisan. You are exactly, precisely what you claim (incorrectly) that I am. Again, you ignored every single positive thing I listed., Because your mind isn't capable of processing that he could do anything productive.
When you can't say that he helped the economy, you're a lunatic.
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 01:59 PM funniest thing ever written in these pages...
It's on any list of the 10 most absurd things ever posted here.
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 02:08 PM keep ignoring was he has failed to do
An hour ago, I posted a long list of things he failed to do. A long and specific list of his failures.
Do you have brain damage? Or are you a pathological liar? I don't see a third option. I just don't know what other choice there is.
I posted this: he’s responsible for his disgusting personal antics, for not improving health insurance, for not getting mexico to pay for the wall, and for nit sending in troops to put down the violent lefty protests this summer.
You respond with this??: keep ignoring was he has failed to do
I can't talk to you. It's just not possible.
He's also responsible for adding to the debt.
Pete F. 12-21-2020, 02:20 PM In 2016, Dems accepted the loss. Their protest was against Trump’s policies. The transfer of power & continuation of our republic were not in question. Trump won’t accept the loss & puts the future at risk, as do his enablers if they won’t condemn dangerous nonsense.
The felon Flynn has the president's ear on post-election strategy. So it matters when Flynn goes on TV, describes possible federal seizure of voting machines, sending military into swing states to 're-run' election, and defends martial law.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpA_TIAU228
scottw 12-21-2020, 02:24 PM In 2016, Dems accepted the loss.
that's pretty funny....
Pete F. 12-21-2020, 02:53 PM I don't get the "But Democrats questioned the legitimacy of the election in 2016!" stuff. If you condemned that at the time, doing the same thing -- but much worse -- is not exactly an ethically or logically serious response.
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 03:24 PM that's pretty funny....
I have him blocked. He really said that?
Pete F. 12-21-2020, 03:42 PM Donald Trump is a snowflake who cares only about his feelings not the facts.
He’s a pampered millennial child who can’t handle losing and wants a participation trophy.
He’s a coddled, out-of-touch elite who cares more about what his media friends say about him than the struggles of forgotten Americans.
He’s a fool who leads a selfish ruling class that is bringing America to the brink of revolution.
He is an Ivy Leaguer who requires a safe space to protect himself from painful speech.
He believes in a hierarchy of victimhood with himself at the top and his aggrieved white supporters next.
He’s a wokescold who wants to silence those who reject his magical thinking.
A wanna-be monarch having a “temper tantrum.”
He’s callow and acting in bad faith.
Those who are not standing up to him have “no conception of the national interest larger than his immediate political interests.”
He is a censorious enemy of free speech and freedom of religion.
He is trying to bring about an “End Of Discussion” by leading an “outrage industry that shuts down debate and manipulates voters.”
He is “Triggered”, “driven by hate, and trying to silence the voters.”
He is stealing America.
He’s a whiner who specializes in phony outrage. A beta-soy-boy cuck who won’t take his setbacks like a grown man.
He wants to infuse political culture wars into every crevice of American life, bullying those who don’t accept his hegemony.
He sees democracy as a filthy process that can be cured only by centralized power.
He’s unvirtuous, ignorant, anti-American, and anti-Christian.
He’s a loser who is up to his eyeballs in bull#^&#^&#^&#^&.
He is everything that they ever said their “evil” opponents were. And worse.
But they don’t care.
Even in the face of Trump’s humiliating defeat at the hands of an opponent they believe to be weak and suffering from dementia, Republicans and conservative commentators continue to enable the human embodiment of what they once decried.
They do it because their crusade stopped being about anything other than causing their opponents pain a long time ago. They came to the crossroads and struck a deal to make a human troll the president of the United States, because he put Obama in his (birth) place and made all the right people mad. He was their vehicle to give the finger to half of the country.
Their end of that deal paid off in spades the past four years. And as he petulantly refuses to concede defeat they continue to get the liberal schadenfreude they crave.
The only thing they had to do in order to get it, was become everything that they had claimed to hate.
They should never be allowed to forget it.
wdmso 12-21-2020, 03:54 PM It's on any list of the 10 most absurd things ever posted here.
Your 9 ahead of me
Trump has single handily turned the Republican Party into a joke , they had a choice and they like you chose to support Him and his politics.. you don’t get to run away now ....
Ps from day 1my issue has always been with Trump never with the party as a whole. Until the nonsense since nov 3rd they lost all credibility and they have run out of excuses, you haven’t I doubt you ever will..
Love your disappointment
and for nit sending in troops to put down the violent lefty protests
Doesn’t get more anti American then wishing to send in the Troops
Let me guess you’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t declare martial law and have the military re do the vote in states he lost .. because you think what’s the military for if you can’t use them against Liberals
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Pete F. 12-21-2020, 03:58 PM In 2016, Dems accepted the loss. Their protest was against Trump’s policies. The transfer of power & continuation of our republic were not in question. Trump won’t accept the loss & puts the future at risk, as do his enablers if they won’t condemn dangerous nonsense.
that's pretty funny....
You're a loser, like the clown you don't really support
November 9, 2016
CLINTON: Thank you. Thank you all. Thank you.
(APPLAUSE)
Thank you all very much. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much.
(APPLAUSE)
Very rowdy group. Thank you, my friends. Thank you. Thank you, thank you so very much for being here and I love you all, too.
Last night, I congratulated Donald Trump and offered to work with him on behalf of our country. I hope that he will be a successful president for all Americans. This is not the outcome we wanted or we worked so hard for and I’m sorry that we did not win this election for the values we share and the vision we hold for our country.
But I feel pride and gratitude for this wonderful campaign that we built together, this vast, diverse, creative, unruly, energized campaign. You represent the best of America and being your candidate has been one of the greatest honors of my life.
(APPLAUSE)
I know how disappointed you feel because I feel it too, and so do tens of millions of Americans who invested their hopes and dreams in this effort. This is painful and it will be for a long time, but I want you to remember this. Our campaign was never about one person or even one election, it was about the country we love and about building an America that’s hopeful, inclusive and big-hearted.
We have seen that our nation is more deeply divided than we thought. But I still believe in America and I always will. And if you do, then we must accept this result and then look to the future. Donald Trump is going to be our president. We owe him an open mind and the chance to lead.
Our constitutional democracy enshrines the peaceful transfer of power and we don’t just respect that, we cherish it. It also enshrines other things; the rule of law, the principle that we are all equal in rights and dignity, freedom of worship and expression. We respect and cherish these values too and we must defend them.
(APPLAUSE)
Now – and let me add, our constitutional democracy demands our participation, not just every four years but all the time. So let’s do all we can to keep advancing the causes and values we all hold dear; making our economy work for everyone not just those at the top, protecting our country and protecting our planet and breaking down all the barriers that hold any American back from achieving their dreams.
CLINTON: We’ve spent a year and a half bringing together millions of people from every corner of our country to say with one voice that we believe that the American dream is big enough for everyone – for people of all races and religions, for men and women, for immigrants, for LGBT people, and people with disabilities. For everyone.
(APPLAUSE)
So now, our responsibility as citizens is to keep doing our part to build that better, stronger, fairer America we seek. And I know you will.
BTW, she went to the inauguration also..........
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 04:06 PM Your 9 ahead of me
Trump has single handily turned the Republican Party into a joke , they had a choice and they like you chose to support Him and his politics.. you don’t get to run away now ....
Ps from day 1my issue has always been with Trump never with the party as a whole. Until the nonsense since nov 3rd they lost all credibility and they have run out of excuses, you haven’t I doubt you ever will..
Love your disappointment
and for nit sending in troops to put down the violent lefty protests
Doesn’t get more anti American then wishing to send in the Troops
Let me guess you’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t declare martial law and have the military re do the vote in states he lost .. because you think what’s the military for if you can’t use them against Liberals
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Wayne, you say you're not a partisan. Please tell us, in what way you are different, from a liberal partisan.
You see, I can say I'm not a blind Republican partisan, because I can point to issues where I disagree with Republicans (death penalty, gay marriage, making healthcare more accessible, gun control to some extent). I don't think there are any major issues, on which you could say you disagree with Democrats.
"turned the Republican Party into a joke "
you say the entire GOP is a joke. But you're not a partisan!
That joke of a party, despite having such a horribly flawed president, made gains in the house (no one saw that coming), may well hold onto the Senate (most didn't see that coming), and made gains in state governments (which no one predicted).
The GOP is still as much of a force as the democrats. But you call is a joke. But you're not a partisan!
Your side isn't a joke? You elected a senile old rich white guy who can't string 5 sentences together any longer, and his running mate polled at 5% in the democratic primaries and only got where she is by s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g her way to the top. Literally, no one can run for potus as a democrat without kissing Al Sharptons ring. Your side celebrates abortions until birth, the looting of cities every time you don't get your way, you claim POLICE are to blame for what's happening in our cities (instead of blaming stupid public policy which actually caused it), a dingbat like AOC is one of the 10 most powerful democrats in DC. But the GOP is the joke. Right, right.
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 04:13 PM Love your disappointment
and for nit sending in troops to put down the violent lefty protests
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Youre the most ignorant person on this board. WHat are citizens supposed to do, when state/local authorities won't maintain peace? What would you do?
When Eisenhower was president, American schools were ordered to be de-segregated. In Arkansas, the racist governor (guess which party???) refused to let blacks attend white schools. He actually used Arkansas National Guardsmen to prevent black students from entering schools, defying federal law.
So Eisenhower did the only thing. He sent in the 101st Airborne, armed to the teeth, and told that racist hick (and democrat) governor to get the hell out of their way.
I suppose you oppose what Eisenhower did there, you would have preferred that he not send in the troops. You'd have told those black students to lump it in their horrible black schools? Is that what you would have done? Because history has pretty much decided that what Eisenhower did was awesome. But you disagree. You said that what Eisenhower did, was anti-American. It was "anti American" for the president to make sure that actual racism was squashed? Not the fake racism that democrats today never stop menstruating about, I mean real, actual, brutal, racism. Youre actually saying it was un-american for Eisehower to use troops to enforce anti-segregation laws?
WOW. I mean, wow.
FOR ONE SECOND, can't you put down your rabid blind partisanship, and imagine how you'd feel is you put your life savings into a small business that was being ransacked by a mob, and your governor didn't care? Wouldn't you beg for your president to send in the troops?
Got Stripers 12-21-2020, 04:26 PM Hey it's Xmas, think more like Melania and spread the xmas spirit.
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 04:40 PM Hey it's Xmas, think more like Melania and spread the xmas spirit.
to retort in your manner...
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Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 04:50 PM Let me guess you’ll be disappointed if he doesn’t declare martial law and have the military re do the vote in states he lost .. because you think what’s the military for if you can’t use them against Liberals
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Not within a million miles of anything I ever said or would say. But when you can't respond to what I actually did say, why not respond to something I never cam close to saying. You do that a lot. Most liberals do. It's what one does when one knows the other side has a point, but you can't admit it.
Got Stripers 12-21-2020, 04:57 PM to retort in your manner...
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Agree, I’m sure her legs cross and a headache comes on if Donny wants to get frisky, although I think he gets off by tweeting as his preferred rush.
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Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 05:01 PM Agree, I’m sure her legs cross and a headache comes on if Donny wants to get frisky, although I think he gets off by tweeting as his preferred rush.
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As always, everything, including the fact that a CA senator is a skank, has to be about Trump.
What are you afraid would happen, exactly, if you just admitted what's in her past? What is the compulsion to turn everything into a dig on Trump?
I'm not sure she knows how to cross her legs.
spence 12-21-2020, 05:31 PM As always, everything, including the fact that a CA senator is a skank, has to be about Trump.
What are you afraid would happen, exactly, if you just admitted what's in her past? What is the compulsion to turn everything into a dig on Trump?
I'm not sure she knows how to cross her legs.
At least Jim has cemented his position as the most depraved and misogynistic person on the site.
Pete F. 12-21-2020, 05:33 PM That’s pretty much how it goes down in truckstops
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Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 05:34 PM At least Jim has cemented his position as the most depraved and misogynistic person on the site.
Is it misogynistic and depraved, if it's true? Did she have an open and public affair with Willie Brown when Brown was decades older, and married, yes or no? And did Brown appoint her to a few political positions because of who he was, yes or no?
I hear a lot of liberals bemoaning the inequities of our criminal justice system. As a prosecutor, Harris put a lot of blacks in prison for marijuana, but joked in a radio interview about her own personal experiences with pot. Tulsi Gabard single-handedly ended Harris' presidential run by pointing that out. Is that lack of principles a character flaw, Spence? Yes or no?
Pete F. 12-21-2020, 05:34 PM No and no
And you were as smart as her you wouldn’t be stuck in a cubicle whining on the Internet
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Got Stripers 12-21-2020, 05:38 PM As always, everything, including the fact that a CA senator is a skank, has to be about Trump.
What are you afraid would happen, exactly, if you just admitted what's in her past? What is the compulsion to turn everything into a dig on Trump?
I'm not sure she knows how to cross her legs.
Gee wiz left me think , because he is fuc*ed up, a loose cannon, probably alone on an island with other wack jobs who think he actually won the election and now he his considering martial law to take control. I’m going to dig at you believers until he is escorted out by the military he thinks mistakenly are going to do his biding. You think he did a great job and you are entitled to your opinion, does NOT make it so it just comforts you in your defense. Game show con men should understand their area of expertise and in Trumps case it isn’t leading a nation.
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 05:39 PM At least Jim has cemented his position as the most depraved and misogynistic person on the site.
But you don't consider it depraved or misogynistic when Got Stripers puts a photoshopped, manufactured, and vulgar image of Melania up here. That's fine. But it's not OK with you, if I point out things that a Democrat female, has actually said and done.
SO to you, it's OK to lie about a Republican woman, but not to tell the truth about a democrat woman. Makes all kinds of sense!
Got Stripers 12-21-2020, 05:48 PM But you don't consider it depraved or misogynistic when Got Stripers puts a photoshopped, manufactured, and vulgar image of Melania up here. That's fine. But it's not OK with you, if I point out things that a Democrat female, has actually said and done.
SO to you, it's OK to lie about a Republican woman, but not to tell the truth about a democrat woman. Makes all kinds of sense!
Vulgar, Christ what are you an alter boy, what the fu*k was vulgar, I thought it was amusing and in case you aren’t aware; those are her exact words. The vulgar came from her mouth not mine, but your defense is admirable in some twisted way I suppose.
Jim in CT 12-21-2020, 06:24 PM Vulgar, Christ what are you an alter boy, what the fu*k was vulgar, I thought it was amusing and in case you aren’t aware; those are her exact words. The vulgar came from her mouth not mine, but your defense is admirable in some twisted way I suppose.
it wasn’t me who got offended by this. talk to spence.
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Pete F. 12-21-2020, 06:54 PM it wasn’t me who got offended by this. talk to spence.
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Yeah...I don’t want to hear one goddamn word about civility from the people who spent 5 years ignoring, eliding or excusing the open sewage hole of Trump’s insults and outrages.
Suck it up, buttercup. You bought the ticket. Now you get to take the ride.
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wdmso 12-21-2020, 06:57 PM Your side isn't a joke? You elected a senile old rich white guy who can't string 5 sentences together any longer, and his running mate polled at 5% in the democratic primaries and only got where she is by s#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g her way to the top. Literally, no one can run for potus as a democrat without kissing Al Sharptons ring. Your side celebrates abortions until birth, the looting of cities every time you don't get your way, you claim POLICE are to blame for what's happening in our cities (instead of blaming stupid public policy which actually caused it), a dingbat like AOC is one of the 10 most powerful democrats in DC. But the GOP is the joke. Right, right.
Your funny you start off trying to sound normal then off the rails you go right down the conservatives rabbit hole , issues with women blacks ,of course abortion and unable to grasp the concept we voted Trump out not so much Biden in ... keep up the good work
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wdmso 12-21-2020, 07:03 PM Youre the most ignorant person on this board. WHat are citizens supposed to do, when state/local authorities won't maintain peace? What would you do?
When Eisenhower was president, American schools were ordered to be de-segregated. In Arkansas, the racist governor (guess which party???) refused to let blacks attend white schools. He actually used Arkansas National Guardsmen to prevent black students from entering schools, defying federal law.
So Eisenhower did the only thing. He sent in the 101st Airborne, armed to the teeth, and told that racist hick (and democrat) governor to get the hell out of their way.
I suppose you oppose what Eisenhower did there, you would have preferred that he not send in the troops. You'd have told those black students to lump it in their horrible black schools? Is that what you would have done? Because history has pretty much decided that what Eisenhower did was awesome. But you disagree. You said that what Eisenhower did, was anti-American. It was "anti American" for the president to make sure that actual racism was squashed? Not the fake racism that democrats today never stop menstruating about, I mean real, actual, brutal, racism. Youre actually saying it was un-american for Eisehower to use troops to enforce anti-segregation laws?
WOW. I mean, wow.
FOR ONE SECOND, can't you put down your rabid blind partisanship, and imagine how you'd feel is you put your life savings into a small business that was being ransacked by a mob, and your governor didn't care? Wouldn't you beg for your president to send in the troops?
Do your false equivalence have any limits do you read history books or only the history the right try’s to use to justify Trumps actions.. it’s clear why your one of the Faithful
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wdmso 12-21-2020, 07:05 PM Not within a million miles of anything I ever said or would say. But when you can't respond to what I actually did say, why not respond to something I never cam close to saying. You do that a lot. Most liberals do. It's what one does when one knows the other side has a point, but you can't admit it.
You didn’t say you no that’s all I need
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wdmso 12-21-2020, 07:28 PM Conservatives outraged over Jill Biden being called Doctor
Conservatives silent over. Melanie Trump photos https://nypost.com/2016/07/30/melania-trump-like-youve-never-seen-her-before/. And yet Trump loves the NY a post ?
Guess what no one here called her a skank or worse but you and many Republicans scream about morals integrity and god out your asses and spew venomous accusations from your lips
It’s really pathetic to watch
Jim in CT 12-22-2020, 07:06 AM Do your false equivalence have any limits do you read history books or only the history the right try’s to use to justify Trumps actions.. it’s clear why your one of the Faithful
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It’s not a false equivalence. You said it’s anti american for the federal government to use troops in our cities. i provided a famous example. you knew you lost, so you babble about a false equivalence.
what you’re saying, is it would only be unamerican if trump did it.
for the second time wayne, if you invested your life savings in a small business, and it was being ransacked by rioters, and your state and local government chose not to enforce the law....you said it would be un american for you to wish that the feds would send in troops?
better for you to just watch them burn your business down? that’s what you’d do?
why won’t you answer?
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scottw 12-22-2020, 07:19 AM Conservatives silent over. Melanie Trump photos https://nypost.com/2016/07/30/melania-trump-like-youve-never-seen-her-before/.
thanks for the link!...giddayup!...
wdmso 12-22-2020, 08:40 AM It’s not a false equivalence. You said it’s anti american for the federal government to use troops in our cities. i provided a famous example. you knew you lost, so you babble about a false equivalence.
what you’re saying, is it would only be unamerican if trump did it.
for the second time wayne, if you invested your life savings in a small business, and it was being ransacked by rioters, and your state and local government chose not to enforce the law....you said it would be un american for you to wish that the feds would send in troops?
better for you to just watch them burn your business down? that’s what you’d do?
why won’t you answer?
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You still have no concept on why Trump wanted to send Troops, his desire had nothing to do with law an order or saving any American small business ( his absent in the Covid bill re enforces he doesn’t care about American small business or Americans in general) he just wanted to send in the Troops to fulfill the fantasies of his supporters like you. And show those libs who’s boss. Nothing more it was a state issue..
And seeing you still have a lack of understanding When the governor of Arkansas failed to integrate Central High School, President Eisenhower called in federal troops to protect the Little Rock Nine.
The Arkansas National Guard was drawn into the conflict when Governor Orval Faubus ordered them to "Preserve the Peace" by turning away the black students who were attempting to integrate into Little Rock's Central High School. United States President Dwight D. Eisenhower reacted to this use of the Guard to foil the court-ordered integration by federalizing the entire Arkansas National Guard and using it to protect the nine black students integrating Central High School.
If that’s to hard to understand I’ll make it easier
Eisenhower did what he did to
Uphold Civil Rights And Protect Black Americans.
Trump Is Trying To Silence Dissent with his threats Send in the feds
The 2 are still not remotely the same
Ps Trump never actually did anything
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wdmso 12-22-2020, 08:55 AM I have ask this question before Who are the people pouring honey in Trumps ears Aka His co conspirators ?
is their talk of derailment of January 6th the Flynn talks of Martial Law ? Because we all know Trump has zero concept of how government works not even the basics , So who is helping why are they helping what’s the end goal? Do they actually think they can steal the election because they have convinced millions of his followers it’s in the name of protecting the constitution and our American values and protection from the Biden crime family before that it was the Clinton crime family...
For me this is bigger than party how will this impact the future of the republic
I’d love to hear the rational from Our local Trumplicans our progressive’s are evil and I didn’t vote for him who contribute here .
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Jim in CT 12-22-2020, 09:02 AM You still have no concept on why Trump wanted to send Troops, his desire had nothing to do with law an order or saving any American small business ( his absent in the Covid bill re enforces he doesn’t care about American small business or Americans in general) he just wanted to send in the Troops to fulfill the fantasies of his supporters like you. And show those libs who’s boss. Nothing more it was a state issue..
And seeing you still have a lack of understanding When the governor of Arkansas failed to integrate Central High School, President Eisenhower called in federal troops to protect the Little Rock Nine.
The Arkansas National Guard was drawn into the conflict when Governor Orval Faubus ordered them to "Preserve the Peace" by turning away the black students who were attempting to integrate into Little Rock's Central High School. United States President Dwight D. Eisenhower reacted to this use of the Guard to foil the court-ordered integration by federalizing the entire Arkansas National Guard and using it to protect the nine black students integrating Central High School.
If that’s to hard to understand I’ll make it easier
Eisenhower did what he did to
Uphold Civil Rights And Protect Black Americans.
Trump Is Trying To Silence Dissent with his threats Send in the feds
The 2 are still not remotely the same
Ps Trump never actually did anything
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trump didn’t want to send troops, which is why he didn’t. i think that was a horrible decision. if he wanted to send troops, he would have.
ever notice that i can answer your questions, while all you do is dodge?
“Eisenhower did what he did to uphold civil rights.”
agreed!
but why don’t homeowners and small business owners in cities destroyed by riots, have the same rights?
that’s the third time i’ve asked that same exact question. three times. zero answers from you. because you know i’m right.
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Pete F. 12-22-2020, 10:46 AM It’s gonna get worse
Months ago, those folks who raised the alarm that Trump wouldn’t accept an election loss were dismissed as irrational hysterics. Sure seems that they were insightful.
“More and more, this White House is resembling a kind of Führerbunker, or Qaddafi’s palace,” says historian @ruthbenghiat. “He’s purged everyone else, and the most extreme people are gathered round him to figure out how on Earth they can stay in office.”
"Strongmen will do anything to stay in office," Ruth BenGhiat wrote in her "Endings" chapter. Some start wars - Trump's attempting a coup. There's even a term for such desperate last-ditch measures: "gambling for resurrection."
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wdmso 12-22-2020, 01:36 PM trump didn’t want to send troops, which is why he didn’t. i think that was a horrible decision. if he wanted to send troops, he would have.
ever notice that i can answer your questions, while all you do is dodge?
“Eisenhower did what he did to uphold civil rights.”
agreed!
but why don’t homeowners and small business owners in cities destroyed by riots, have the same rights?
that’s the third time i’ve asked that same exact question. three times. zero answers from you. because you know i’m right.
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States responsibility not federal governments it’s that easy , the right doesn’t care about those business they used that as cover to and justify the rittenhouses of the work the pro administration boys and the latest group in or Oregon milita who tried to storm the state house , not threat to send troops to deal with them , why because they supported Trump and he loved it
As for business destroyed how about Covid what do Republicans pass 3 martinis 100% right off for corporate American
What do dems ask for Earned income tax credit.
See the difference
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detbuch 12-22-2020, 01:46 PM It’s gonna get worse
Only if we finally and totally abandon the Constitution and fully become the administrative state the Progressives believe in.
Months ago, those folks who raised the alarm that Trump wouldn’t accept an election loss were dismissed as irrational hysterics. Sure seems that they were insightful.
I don't recall, on this forum, them being dismissed as irrational hysterics. Maybe, but I recall that it was wondered here why Trump was being asked if he would accept an election (I suppose that would include a fraudulent one) and Biden was not asked the same. Especially after Hillary and the Dems never accepted that Trump truly won, and Hillary warned Biden not to concede, and the Dems only concerted effort for four years was to depose Trump.
“More and more, this White House is resembling a kind of Führerbunker, or Qaddafi’s palace,” says historian @ruthbenghiat.
Really? So we're being attacked by American and Russian troops and our President is hiding in a bunker (a la Biden's campaign) with Melania with whom he has made a pact to commit suicide? The NAZI comparison just won't quit. If you have a legitimate and persuasive argument, the overused false NAZI stuff is not necessary. It's a sign of stretching your argument outside of its inherent weakness.
“He’s purged everyone else, and the most extreme people are gathered round him to figure out how on Earth they can stay in office.”
"Strongmen will do anything to stay in office," Ruth BenGhiat wrote in her "Endings" chapter. Some start wars - Trump's attempting a coup. There's even a term for such desperate last-ditch measures: "gambling for resurrection."
Again, inherent weakness in argument can be masked over with hyperbolic analysis and comparison. "Most extreme people"? This is dizzying caricature. Extreme in what way? Depends on who is defining it--those that were "purged" could be the most "extreme." All administrations have "purged" many of their members. And all have their own supposedly good reasons.
For the nth time, these dooms day scenarios, coups and such, are not possible if the law, especially the Constitution, is followed. So far, nothing that Trump has done re questioning the election and wanting to investigate large anomalies and reports of suspicious and illegal behaviors given under oath has been illegal. Nothing he or his supporters have done has been unconstitutional. Nor has he even refused to leave office. He is still legally in office, and time for him to leave has not arrived.
Asleep in your nightmare bubble? Wake up. And examine who and what is actually threatening the Constitution.
Jim in CT 12-22-2020, 02:06 PM States responsibility not federal governments it’s that easy , the right doesn’t care about those business they used that as cover to and justify the rittenhouses of the work the pro administration boys and the latest group in or Oregon milita who tried to storm the state house , not threat to send troops to deal with them , why because they supported Trump and he loved it
As for business destroyed how about Covid what do Republicans pass 3 martinis 100% right off for corporate American
What do dems ask for Earned income tax credit.
See the difference
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"States responsibility not federal governments it’s that easy "
But what happens when the state fails in that responsibility, as in th ecase of teh Arkansas redneck governor? Why are you OK with Eisenhower sending in troops to keep the peace, but not Trump? Federal law specifically allows the feds to send in troops in certain situations, it's been done multiple times. So you're demonstrably wrong. It's primarily the state's responsibility, but when the state cannot or will not live up to that responsibility, it's the federal government's responsibility.
"the right doesn’t care about those business"
First, you are a lousy, lousy mindreader. I care about those business owners. Second, It seems like YOU are the one who doesn't care, because I asked you three times what those people are supposed to do when the state can't keep peace, and you havent answered. As so often happens, you are unable to respond to such a simple and obvious question, because even you know there is no sane answer that supports your agenda.
"As for business destroyed how about Covid"
State governments destroyed small businesses in response to covid, not politically motivated rioters. Talk about a false equivalence!
"what do Republicans pass 3 martinis 100% right off for corporate American"
Sorry, I can't find my gibberish --> English dictionary, I don't know what that means. I do know that our economy is in a v-shaped recovery, we're WAAAYY better off than most people thought we'd be at this point.
For the 4th time...what should small business owners do, when rioters are attacking their businesses, and the state can't (or won't) help them? It's "un American" for the military to help them? But it was OK for the military to help the Little Rock 9? So you're saying black students have more of a right to go to school, than business owners have of not watching their business get destroyed? Is that what you're saying? Business owners have no right to expect that their property will be protected?
Pete F. 12-22-2020, 02:25 PM Again, inherent weakness in argument can be masked over with hyperbolic analysis and comparison. "Most extreme people"? This is dizzying caricature. Extreme in what way? Depends on who is defining it--those that were "purged" could be the most "extreme." All administrations have "purged" many of their members. And all have their own supposedly good reasons.
For the nth time, these dooms day scenarios, coups and such, are not possible if the law, especially the Constitution, is followed. So far, nothing that Trump has done re questioning the election and wanting to investigate large anomalies and reports of suspicious and illegal behaviors given under oath has been illegal. Nothing he or his supporters have done has been unconstitutional. Nor has he even refused to leave office. He is still legally in office, and time for him to leave has not arrived.
Asleep in your nightmare bubble? Wake up. And examine who and what is actually threatening the Constitution.
You really do think that Tweety has any idea what the Constitution says, has read it or listens to his attorneys advice?
Foreign Agent General Flynn has the president's ear on post-election strategy. So it matters when Flynn goes on TV, describes possible federal seizure of voting machines, sending military into swing states to 're-run' election, and defends martial law. None of which is constitutional, is illegal and there's a tape.
Jonathan Swan referring to Guiliani's claim that Powell is not on the team says "Giuliani can say all of this but I’ve spent the past four days on the phone to Trump aides and the consensus is that the president is listening to Sidney Powell more than just about anyone who is on his payroll, certainly more than his own White House Counsel."
Don't tell Sidney Powell about this one--it'll be our secret, okay?
Those fights that she and Rudy and recently pardoned foreign agent Mike Flynn keep having with the White House Counsel?
White House Counsels don't have privilege.
And just wait a few months, Sidney Powell's defense of Tweety at his District Court Trial for violations of the Klu Klux Klan Act is gonna be lit.
wdmso 12-22-2020, 02:43 PM "States responsibility not federal governments it’s that easy "
But what happens when the state fails in that responsibility, as in th ecase of teh Arkansas redneck governor? Why are you OK with Eisenhower sending in troops to keep the peace, but not Trump? Federal law specifically allows the feds to send in troops in certain situations, it's been done multiple times. So you're demonstrably wrong. It's primarily the state's responsibility, but when the state cannot or will not live up to that responsibility, it's the federal government's responsibility.
"the right doesn’t care about those business"
First, you are a lousy, lousy mindreader. I care about those business owners. Second, It seems like YOU are the one who doesn't care, because I asked you three times what those people are supposed to do when the state can't keep peace, and you havent answered. As so often happens, you are unable to respond to such a simple and obvious question, because even you know there is no sane answer that supports your agenda.
"As for business destroyed how about Covid"
State governments destroyed small businesses in response to covid, not politically motivated rioters. Talk about a false equivalence!
"what do Republicans pass 3 martinis 100% right off for corporate American"
Sorry, I can't find my gibberish --> English dictionary, I don't know what that means. I do know that our economy is in a v-shaped recovery, we're WAAAYY better off than most people thought we'd be at this point.
For the 4th time...what should small business owners do, when rioters are attacking their businesses, and the state can't (or won't) help them? It's "un American" for the military to help them? But it was OK for the military to help the Little Rock 9? So you're saying black students have more of a right to go to school, than business owners have of not watching their business get destroyed? Is that what you're saying? Business owners have no right to expect that their property will be protected?
go back and read about why Ike sent in troops lets start with that
then maybe you will understand why things were done. and the reasons for thoses actions
It's "un American" for the military to help them? another easy one to Answer YES another topic you should read up on .. what is the role of the Military actual is and is not . because right now you have no clue on the matter
So you're saying black students have more of a right to go to school, than business owners have of not watching their business get destroyed?
again go read some history on federal responsibilities and State responsibilities... the 2 are not remotely the same
Jim in CT 12-22-2020, 03:16 PM go back and read about why Ike sent in troops lets start with that
then maybe you will understand why things were done. and the reasons for thoses actions
It's "un American" for the military to help them? another easy one to Answer YES another topic you should read up on .. what is the role of the Military actual is and is not . because right now you have no clue on the matter
So you're saying black students have more of a right to go to school, than business owners have of not watching their business get destroyed?
again go read some history on federal responsibilities and State responsibilities... the 2 are not remotely the same
for the 5th time, what should
those business owners do? why won’t you answer that question?
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detbuch 12-22-2020, 04:11 PM You really do think that Tweety has any idea what the Constitution says, has read it or listens to his attorneys advice?
I don't know if he has read it. You're question implies that you think he hasn't. I think that he listens to his attorneys. That he might sometime disagree with them, or that some of his attorneys may disagree with each other. You're question implies that he never does and that his attorneys are always right.
Foreign Agent General Flynn has the president's ear on post-election strategy.
It is possible that he had acted as a foreign agent in the past, which is not illegal. He was accused of not registering as one, for which his lawyer claimed Flynn considered his client to be a foreign corporation— Inovo, run by pro-Erdogan Turkish consultant Alptekin — rather than a foreign government, and thus Flynn didn’t need to register. But being a foreign agent is not in itself a bad thing nor illegal. And a lot of folks have The President's ear. You seem to clairvoyantly pick and choose whom he listens to or . . . doesn't.
So it matters when Flynn goes on TV, describes possible federal seizure of voting machines, sending military into swing states to 're-run' election, and defends martial law. None of which is constitutional, is illegal and there's a tape.
First, the insurrection act as not been declared by the Supreme Court to be unconstitutional. Second, it matters only if Trump invoked it in this case--which he hasn't.
Jonathan Swan referring to Guiliani's claim that Powell is not on the team says "Giuliani can say all of this but I’ve spent the past four days on the phone to Trump aides and the consensus is that the president is listening to Sidney Powell more than just about anyone who is on his payroll, certainly more than his own White House Counsel."
Listening to Sidney Powell is not unconstitutional.
Don't tell Sidney Powell about this one--it'll be our secret, okay?
Well . . . it's not my secret . . . and you just exposed it.
Those fights that she and Rudy and recently pardoned foreign agent Mike Flynn keep having with the White House Counsel?
White House Counsels don't have privilege.
And just wait a few months, Sidney Powell's defense of Tweety at his District Court Trial for violations of the Ku Klux Klan Act is gonna be lit.
Yeah. Should be another hoot. Like the Mueller investigation and the impeachment.
wdmso 12-22-2020, 05:25 PM for the 5th time, what should
those business owners do? why won’t you answer that question?
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I have given you your answer but as always when it’s not the one you want to hear you suggest it wasn’t answered, classic
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Jim in CT 12-22-2020, 06:57 PM I have given you your answer but as always when it’s not the one you want to hear you suggest it wasn’t answered, classic
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post he answer to that question, please?
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Pete F. 12-22-2020, 09:02 PM Yeah. Should be another hoot. Like the Mueller investigation and the impeachment.
He’ll no longer have power or privilege, will be on the stand under oath.
Not like the Mueller investigation or impeachment.
After his post election court denigration no judge will accept his misbehavior on the stand, especially Sullivan
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detbuch 12-22-2020, 10:25 PM He’ll no longer have power or privilege, will be on the stand under oath.
Not like the Mueller investigation or impeachment.
After his post election court denigration no judge will accept his misbehavior on the stand, especially Sullivan
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Should be a hoot. Appeals eventually to the Supreme. If it happens. Probably Powell will not be the attorney. She will have been sued by the voting machine companies and have her own problems, and probably will eventually be disbarred as well as broke.
I think that saying Trump broke the KKK act is ridiculous, politically driven and piling on more of the chit that has been happening for the last for years. Worse for the Republic than assuring that an election was constitutionally legitimate. The kind of stuff that soothes your nightmare.
Pete F. 12-22-2020, 10:53 PM Should be a hoot. Appeals eventually to the Supreme. If it happens. Probably Powell will not be the attorney. She will have been sued by the voting machine companies and have her own problems, and probably will eventually be disbarred as well as broke.
I think that saying Trump broke the KKK act is ridiculous, politically driven and piling on more of the chit that has been happening for the last for years. Worse for the Republic than assuring that an election was constitutionally legitimate. The kind of stuff that soothes your nightmare.
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Since it currently is lodged as a complaint in Federal Court we will find out what evidence and case they mount.
Some very qualified attorneys willing to put their names on the case, top names seem to not be interested in repping Tweety
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detbuch 12-22-2020, 11:37 PM Posted from my iPhone/Mobile device
Since it currently is lodged as a complaint in Federal Court we will find out what evidence and case they mount.
Some very qualified attorneys willing to put their names on the case, top names seem to not be interested in repping Tweety
It is what it is. No need to talk about what hasn't happened, nor predict possibilities of what will happen to a man who will shortly not be relevant. I understand that it pleases you to do so. But if you think that Trump is my concern, I've said all along that for me it isn't about Trump.
Pete F. 12-23-2020, 07:05 AM Nothing says draining the swamp like pardoning Duncan Hunter.
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wdmso 12-23-2020, 08:41 AM Nothing says draining the swamp like pardoning Duncan Hunter.
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Or murders !saw a stat 88% of his current pardons are Republicans
In the next round expect blank timeline driven pardons
Name
from date
End date
Subj: I pardon the above named for any crimes they may have committed with in those date ranges
Donald Trump
And the response from the faithful
It’s not illegal.
Let’s see if they feel the same way if dad pardons Hunter on day one saying hea it’s not illegal,
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wdmso 12-28-2020, 10:08 PM Congressman, other Republicans sue Vice President Pence in last-ditch effort to overturn Biden win
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wdmso 12-29-2020, 08:49 AM Republican-leaning pollster Rasmussen invoked a quote attributed to Soviet leader Joseph Stalin in a Twitter thread suggesting Vice President Pence should attempt to overturn the results of the presidential election.
“Those who cast the votes decide nothing. Those who count the votes decide everything. – Stalin,” the pollster tweeted.
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wdmso 12-31-2020, 08:45 AM Mitch McConnell said raising aid cheques would be "another fire hose of borrowed money".
As expected Trumplicans now want to look fiscally responsible . Sad and Americans still vote for them agent their own self interest
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The Dad Fisherman 12-31-2020, 12:45 PM He’s not wrong
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wdmso 12-31-2020, 01:44 PM He’s not wrong
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Yes he is
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Sea Dangles 12-31-2020, 02:33 PM Mitch McConnell said raising aid cheques would be "another fire hose of borrowed money".
As expected Trumplicans now want to look fiscally responsible . Sad and Americans still vote for them agent their own self interest
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I guess I can’t blame you for voting in an open checkbook. Priorities?
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Pete F. 12-31-2020, 03:03 PM Hypocrite Lindsey Graham, the windblown South Carolinian, says the time has come for “a dialogue about how we can finally begin to address the debt.
Which means a Democratic administration approaches.
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Jim in CT 12-31-2020, 06:33 PM Yes he is
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well that was a compelling argument.
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Jim in CT 12-31-2020, 06:36 PM Mitch McConnell said raising aid cheques would be "another fire hose of borrowed money".
As expected Trumplicans now want to look fiscally responsible . Sad and Americans still vote for them agent their own self interest
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and if democrats cared about these people, they’d take their boots off their throats and let them
earn a living, rather than giving them
a one time check.
the fact that so many elected democrats mandate these lockdowns and then violate their own rules ( in really flamboyant fashion), says something about them, doesn’t it?
every single post of yours is either praising liberals, or bashing conservatives. that’s your entire existence here. but it’s beyond dishonest, as there’s good and bad on both sides. your hate makes you blind to it.
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wdmso 12-31-2020, 07:18 PM and if democrats cared about these people, they’d take their boots off their throats and let them
earn a living, rather than giving them
a one time check.
the fact that so many elected democrats mandate these lockdowns and then violate their own rules ( in really flamboyant fashion), says something about them, doesn’t it?
every single post of yours is either praising liberals, or bashing conservatives. that’s your entire existence here. but it’s beyond dishonest, as there’s good and bad on both sides. your hate makes you blind to it.
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Keep living the lie Jim someday you actually see the current Republicans for what they are. The only one filled with hate is you so much you think I am the hateful one that’s how projection works ..
The pharmacist told investigators he knew "that people who received the vaccinations would think they had been vaccinated against the virus when in fact they were not,"
What’s are the chances he is a liberal Just like the guy who blew up his RV
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Jim in CT 12-31-2020, 09:25 PM Keep living the lie Jim someday you actually see the current Republicans for what they are. The only one filled with hate is you so much you think I am the hateful one that’s how projection works ..
The pharmacist told investigators he knew "that people who received the vaccinations would think they had been vaccinated against the virus when in fact they were not,"
What’s are the chances he is a liberal Just like the guy who blew up his RV
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donuts a lie that democrats have a habit of violating lockdown orders?
everyone knows you hate conservatives.
what lie am i living, exactly? if you owned a restaurant, would you rather have a check for $2,000, or the ability to operate your business? which is better?
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Pete F. 12-31-2020, 09:32 PM Trump hasn’t tweeted in a day, that shady MF is up to something. Let’s make 2021 the year we hold accountable those in his party that allowed his criminality to fester. They are a rot and a stain on this nation’s soul.
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Pete F. 12-31-2020, 09:34 PM and if democrats cared about these people, they’d take their boots off their throats and let them
earn a living, rather than giving them
a one time check.
the fact that so many elected democrats mandate these lockdowns and then violate their own rules ( in really flamboyant fashion), says something about them, doesn’t it?
every single post of yours is either praising liberals, or bashing conservatives. that’s your entire existence here. but it’s beyond dishonest, as there’s good and bad on both sides. your hate makes you blind to it.
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You’re a sheep
The pandemic didn’t kill Trump’s reelection chances – Trump’s reaction to the pandemic did.
He could’ve leveraged it to lead Americans thru looming hard times, but instead insisted that it’d be over by June and encouraged his base to “liberate” states trying to slow the spread.
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scottw 01-01-2021, 03:11 AM states trying to slow the spread.
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how did that work out for them?
Pete F. 01-01-2021, 09:50 PM how did that work out for them?
Pretty simple to find out silly Troll
They’re leading in the infection and death categories
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Jim in CT 01-02-2021, 05:11 PM how did that work out for them?
and there you nailed it. liberals are often literally impervious to empirical
results which don’t support The Narrative. If it doesn’t make liberalism look correct, they can’t accept it.
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Pete F. 01-02-2021, 09:22 PM and there you nailed it. liberals are often literally impervious to empirical
results which don’t support The Narrative. If it doesn’t make liberalism look correct, they can’t accept it.
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Sure, here’s your scenario
Every zombie story is now obsolete. There won't be hordes of scavengers fighting neck and neck for dwindling resources. There will, instead, be a small group of people saying, "Don't go near the zombies" while everyone else says "You can't tell me what to do" as they're eaten.
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Got Stripers 01-05-2021, 07:11 AM Since this thread started out about the Republican party, the leaders must have been red faced and fuming watching Trump continue his “Its all about me” tour, rather than spending his time helping their candidates win so their party could maintain control of the senate.
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