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Pete F.

01-18-2022, 04:27 PM

NY state is giving preferential treatment to non whites in terms of covid treatment.

“Everyone is working very hard to make sure we get it to patients. And part of that strategy is really to give it to people who really need it, who are the most likely to be severely ill from COVID,” Brown said.

Those most likely to benefit: The severely immunocompromised, with multiple chronic illnesses. Also prioritized? The non-vaccinated.

“Unfortunately, the unvaccinated patients, who should have been vaccinated, they are the ones who are going to be eligible as well,” said Dr. Aaron Glatt of Mount Sinai South Nassau Hospital. “I would like to reassure the vaccinated and boosted patients that you really don’t need this drug in general.”

Health officials remind the public there is a better way to boost your protection before you even get sick, and it lasts longer than monoclonal antibodies. It’s called the vaccine.

affirmative action, quotas, critical
race theory, all lefty racism.

huge investment firm needs special HR approval to hire whites.

The firm will still hire White men, McNicholas said, but recruiters are required to show that women and minority applicants were interviewed by the panels.

Not what MLK wanted.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/state-street-global-advisors-permission-hire-white-men.amp

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MLK Day is the perfect day to remind everyone that another name for “Critical Race Theory” is “Actual American History”.

Far from stressing that race is “the most important thing,” critical race theory challenges the idea that race is a thing at all. It starts with the premise that there is no biological or scientific justification for racial categories and that race was a socially constructed invention — a fiction, but one that has nevertheless been written into our laws and legislation.

Critical race theory just says let's pay attention to what has happened in this country and how what has happened in this country is continuing to create differential outcomes, so we can become that country that we say we are.

To claim that MLK would have been against critical race theory is patently false, but I suppose if the only thing you have read of his is one sentence then you might believe that.

I would suggest that you read Letter from Birmingham but here is a little part of it.

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because his unique God consciousness and never ceasing devotion to God's will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber. I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth." Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

Pete F.

01-18-2022, 04:33 PM

The vaccine doesn't stop you from getting infected with COVID, it doesn't stop you from getting sick with COVID, and it doesn't stop people from spreading COVID.

What it does do is give your body what it needs to fight the virus. You do not get as sick, or for as long, from the virus as someone unvaccinated. By shortening the length of the infection/illness you do cut down on how long you can spread the virus.

No, it's not the fault of the unvaccinated that we are still in a pandemic, that would fall on Mother Nature. It needs to run its course.

Unfortunately, some people need a boogeyman to point the finger at :rolleyes:
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Whether vaccination of individual persons for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) protects members of their households is unclear. We investigated the effect of vaccination of health care workers in Scotland (who were among the earliest groups to be vaccinated worldwide) on the risk of coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) among members of their households.

We evaluated data from 194,362 household members (which represented 92,470 households of 2 to 14 persons per household) of 144,525 health care workers who had been employed during the period from March 2020 through November 2020. The mean ages of the household members and the health care workers were 31 and 44 years, respectively; a majority (>96%) were White. A total of 113,253 health care workers (78.4%) had received at least one dose of either the BNT162b2 (Pfizer–BioNTech) mRNA vaccine or the ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 (Oxford–AstraZeneca) vaccine, and 36,227 (25.1%) had received a second dose.

The primary outcome was any confirmed case of Covid-19 that occurred between December 8, 2020, and March 3, 2021. We also report results for Covid-19–associated hospitalization. The primary time periods we compared were the unvaccinated period before the first dose and the period beginning 14 days after the health care worker received the first dose. No adjustment was made for multiplicity. Events that occurred after any household member was vaccinated were censored. Detailed methods and results, strengths and limitations, and the protocol are provided in the Supplementary Appendix, which is available with the full text of this letter at NEJM.org. This study was approved by the Public Benefit and Privacy Panel (2021-0013), and the scientific officer of the West of Scotland Research Ethics Committee provided written confirmation that formal ethics review was not required.

Cases of Covid-19 were less common among household members of vaccinated health care workers during the period beginning 14 days after the first dose than during the unvaccinated period before the first dose (event rate per 100 person-years, 9.40 before the first dose and 5.93 beginning 14 days after the first dose). After the health care worker’s second dose, the rate in household members was lower still (2.98 cases per 100 person-years). These differences persisted after fitting extended Cox models that were adjusted for calendar time, geographic region, age, sex, occupational and socioeconomic factors, and underlying conditions. Relative to the period before each health care worker was vaccinated, the hazard ratio for a household member to become infected was 0.70 (95% confidence interval [CI], 0.63 to 0.78) for the period beginning 14 days after the first dose and 0.46 (95% CI, 0.30 to 0.70) for the period beginning 14 days after the second dose (Table 1 and the Supplementary Appendix).
Not all the cases of Covid-19 in the household members were transmitted from the health care worker; therefore, the effect of vaccination may be larger.1 For example, if half the cases in the household members were transmitted from the health care worker, a 60% decrease in cases transmitted from health care workers would need to occur to elicit the association we observed (see the Supplementary Appendix). Vaccination was associated with a reduction in both the number of cases and the number of Covid-19–related hospitalizations in health care workers between the unvaccinated period and the period beginning 14 days after the first dose.

Given that vaccination reduces asymptomatic infection with SARS-CoV-2,2,3 it is plausible that vaccination reduces transmission; however, data from clinical trials and observational studies are lacking.4,5 We provide empirical evidence suggesting that vaccination may reduce transmission by showing that vaccination of health care workers is associated with a decrease in documented cases of Covid-19 among members of their households. This finding is reassuring for health care workers and their families.

Anoop S.V. Shah, M.D.
London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, London, United Kingdom

Ciara Gribben, M.Sc.
Jennifer Bishop, M.Sc.
Public Health Scotland, Edinburgh, United Kingdom

Peter Hanlon, M.D.
University of Glasgow, Glasgow, United Kingdom

David Caldwell, M.Sc.
Public Health Scotland, Edinburgh, United Kingdom

Rachael Wood, Ph.D.
University of Edinburgh, Edinburgh, United Kingdom

Martin Reid, B.Sc.
Jim McMenamin, M.D.
David Goldberg, M.D.
Diane Stockton, M.Sc.
Public Health Scotland, Edinburgh, United Kingdom

Sharon Hutchinson, Ph.D.

The Dad Fisherman

01-18-2022, 04:38 PM

Nice, you posted a long winded article, that no one will read, that basically says what I just said, without a boogie man reference. :rolleyes:
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Jim in CT

01-18-2022, 05:10 PM

No, it's not the fault of the unvaccinated that we are still in a pandemic, that would fall on Mother Nature. It needs to run its course.
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i guess that’s what i’m wondering, and i know you’re not a rabid follower of either party.
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Jim in CT

01-18-2022, 05:13 PM

pete, i said that form
can’t hire whites without special
permission from HR.

and somehow, you think
you’re refuting me, when you say that can’t hire whites without getting permission from HR.

Why does every position need to interview non whites before it can be filled?

Your side can’t let go of skin color, it’s all
that matters, like a dog with a meaty bone.

it fires up your base. It runs the risk of turning others off.
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detbuch

01-18-2022, 05:39 PM

MLK Day is the perfect day to remind everyone that another name for “Critical Race Theory” is “Actual American History”.

Oh, good. Then we can stop calling it Critical Race Theory, and just call it "American History."

Far from stressing that race is “the most important thing,” critical race theory challenges the idea that race is a thing at all. It starts with the premise that there is no biological or scientific justification for racial categories and that race was a socially constructed invention — a fiction, but one that has nevertheless been written into our laws and legislation.

I thought it was American History?

Critical race theory just says let's pay attention to what has happened in this country and how what has happened in this country is continuing to create differential outcomes, so we can become that country that we say we are.

Is that "history" or is it sociological analysis and praxis?

To claim that MLK would have been against critical race theory is patently false, but I suppose if the only thing you have read of his is one sentence then you might believe that.

I don't think Jim actually said MLK would have been against it. But I don't know that it's patently false to say so.

I would suggest that you read Letter from Birmingham but here is a little part of it.

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action"; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a "more convenient season." Shallow understanding from people of good will is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection.

I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that law and order exist for the purpose of establishing justice and that when they fail in this purpose they become the dangerously structured dams that block the flow of social progress. I had hoped that the white moderate would understand that the present tension in the South is a necessary phase of the transition from an obnoxious negative peace, in which the Negro passively accepted his unjust plight, to a substantive and positive peace, in which all men will respect the dignity and worth of human personality. Actually, we who engage in nonviolent direct action are not the creators of tension. We merely bring to the surface the hidden tension that is already alive. We bring it out in the open, where it can be seen and dealt with. Like a boil that can never be cured so long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must be exposed, with all the tension its exposure creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured.

In your statement you assert that our actions, even though peaceful, must be condemned because they precipitate violence. But is this a logical assertion? Isn't this like condemning a robbed man because his possession of money precipitated the evil act of robbery? Isn't this like condemning Socrates because his unswerving commitment to truth and his philosophical inquiries precipitated the act by the misguided populace in which they made him drink hemlock? Isn't this like condemning Jesus because his unique God consciousness and never ceasing devotion to God's will precipitated the evil act of crucifixion? We must come to see that, as the federal courts have consistently affirmed, it is wrong to urge an individual to cease his efforts to gain his basic constitutional rights because the quest may precipitate violence. Society must protect the robbed and punish the robber. I had also hoped that the white moderate would reject the myth concerning time in relation to the struggle for freedom. I have just received a letter from a white brother in Texas. He writes: "All Christians know that the colored people will receive equal rights eventually, but it is possible that you are in too great a religious hurry. It has taken Christianity almost two thousand years to accomplish what it has. The teachings of Christ take time to come to earth." Such an attitude stems from a tragic misconception of time, from the strangely irrational notion that there is something in the very flow of time that will inevitably cure all ills. Actually, time itself is neutral; it can be used either destructively or constructively. More and more I feel that the people of ill will have used time much more effectively than have the people of good will. We will have to repent in this generation not merely for the hateful words and actions of the bad people but for the appalling silence of the good people. Human progress never rolls in on wheels of inevitability; it comes through the tireless efforts of men willing to be co workers with God, and without this hard work, time itself becomes an ally of the forces of social stagnation. We must use time creatively, in the knowledge that the time is always ripe to do right. Now is the time to make real the promise of democracy and transform our pending national elegy into a creative psalm of brotherhood. Now is the time to lift our national policy from the quicksand of racial injustice to the solid rock of human dignity.

https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Gen/Letter_Birmingham.html

So, what is there in that letter that is pro-CRT. Especially, what is there in that letter that is for the CRT notion of race being a social construct or for instilling the specifically recommended training and practice that CRT advocates prescribe for work places and schools.

Jim in CT

01-18-2022, 05:48 PM

MLK would have been against using race to hand out covid treatments, and against needing to get permission from HR to hire whites. he’d have been against colleges having no. white forms and jon white graduations. he wanted to ignore race and see character.

that’s about as far away from today’s democrat agenda as you can possibly get.
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wdmso

01-18-2022, 10:12 PM

You aren’t aware of the human uses of Ivermectin?

my god where do you get your information?
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Wow your desperate

Using Inmates as Guinea pigs is acceptable to you?
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Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 06:54 AM

Wow your desperate

Using Inmates as Guinea pigs is acceptable to you?
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not as guinea pugs. the testing has already been done, there are human uses for Ivermectin, starting before covid.

It’s approved by the FDA for human use here in the US. look it up. tell
me if i’m wrong.

It’s a demonstrable lie to say it’s just for horses. it’s widely accepted for human use,
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wdmso

01-19-2022, 07:25 AM

not as guinea pugs. the testing has already been done, there are human uses for Ivermectin, starting before covid.

It’s approved by the FDA for human use here in the US. look it up. tell
me if i’m wrong.

It’s a demonstrable lie to say it’s just for horses. it’s widely accepted for human use,
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Another episode of everything thing is equal
I should call you DR Spin

This medication is used to treat certain parasitic roundworm infections. Curing parasitic infections

Fringe Doctors’ Groups Promote Ivermectin for COVID despite a Lack of Evidence
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Pete F.

01-19-2022, 07:35 AM

If you're drinking your own pee, then urine a cult.

Pete F.

01-19-2022, 07:36 AM

wdmso

01-19-2022, 07:43 AM

Colin Kaepernick vilified and Kyle Rittenhouse championed speaks volumes about race issues in this country.

I mentioned how only the freedom they agree with does the Right yell freedom. of course it was dismissed
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Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 08:30 AM

Colin Kaepernick vilified and Kyle Rittenhouse championed speaks volumes about race issues in this country.

i think Rittenhouse was stupid. But even stupid people
have the right to self defense.

Jon Stewart recently bashed the national anthem, and he’s also getting attacked from the right. What color is john stewart? is racism the reason the right is attacking him, Einstein?

when a black person is criticized,,all you see is race as the reason. no thought about what they did.
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Pete F.

01-19-2022, 08:55 AM

i think Rittenhouse was stupid. But even stupid people
have the right to self defense.

Jon Stewart recently bashed the national anthem, and he’s also getting attacked from the right. What color is john stewart? is racism the reason the right is attacking him, Einstein?

when a black person is criticized,,all you see is race as the reason. no thought about what they did.
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Your usual deflection, and then blat about the latest victimization trending on your social media.

Just what horrible thing did Colin Kaepernick do?
Lie about being vaccinated?
Plausibly accused of rape?
Or, the horror, he took a knee during the national anthem.
No problem with seditionists, wrapping themselves in the flag or using the flag and the pole to attack police officers?🤡
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Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 09:24 AM

Your usual deflection, and then blat about the latest victimization trending on your social media.

Just what horrible thing did Colin Kaepernick do?
Lie about being vaccinated?
Plausibly accused of rape?
Or, the horror, he took a knee during the national anthem.
No problem with seditionists, wrapping themselves in the flag or using the flag and the pole to attack police officers?🤡
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You brought up those two guys, I explained why those two guys got treated the way they did, you call it "deflection", because I clobbered you.

Every time you and Wayne lose, its deflection and false equivalency. Conservatives have never been right about a single thing in the history of mankind. Not once, not ever, Because life is exactly that simple.

Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 09:27 AM

I mentioned how only the freedom they agree with does the Right yell freedom. of course it was dismissed
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Did anyone on the right ever say that Kaepernick doesn't have the right to say what he has said? Has anyone on the right said the government should punish him for what he says?

He has the right to say what he wants, and we have the right to criticize him for it. We all have the right to free speech.

You were dismissed, because what you said was absurd.

wdmso

01-19-2022, 10:04 AM

We all have the right to free speech.

.

He has the right to say what he wants, and we have the right to criticize him for it. We all have the right to free speech.

so you really think that's all that happened :faga::faga::faga:

Colin Kaepernick was villainized and ridiculed for kneeling during a song.

by Conservatives

A bar used Colin Kaepernick's jersey as a doormat

for exercising his constitutional right and is being villainize

Republicans Are Still Running Against Colin Kaepernick
On the campaign trail, conservatives run ads that have turned the former NFL quarterback into a favorite punching bag.

Republican candidates across the country, from Tennessee to Pennsylvania, who have incorporated the anti-player protest sentiment into their campaigns.

Many of these same people whom you claim " have the right to criticize him " many the same people who Support what happened on Jan 6th ..... I am confused?

Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 10:28 AM

He has the right to say what he wants, and we have the right to criticize him for it. We all have the right to free speech.

so you really think that's all that happened :faga::faga::faga:

Colin Kaepernick was villainized and ridiculed for kneeling during a song.

by Conservatives

A bar used Colin Kaepernick's jersey as a doormat

for exercising his constitutional right and is being villainize

Republicans Are Still Running Against Colin Kaepernick
On the campaign trail, conservatives run ads that have turned the former NFL quarterback into a favorite punching bag.

Republican candidates across the country, from Tennessee to Pennsylvania, who have incorporated the anti-player protest sentiment into their campaigns.

Many of these same people whom you claim " have the right to criticize him " many the same people who Support what happened on Jan 6th ..... I am confused?

I said he was criticized. You can't refute that, by showing examples of how he was criticized.

When pampered zillionaires complain about what a horrible country we have, they will get mocked.

Pete F.

01-19-2022, 10:43 AM

I said he was criticized. You can't refute that, by showing examples of how he was criticized.

When pampered zillionaires complain about what a horrible country we have, they will get mocked.

How dare those ……. get uppity

Don’t they know their place
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Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 10:47 AM

How dare those ……. get uppity

Don’t they know their place
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again, if jon stewart gets the same criticism, then how can you conclude its about race?

Pete, here’s something you obviously aren’t aware of…it’s actually possible to be both black, and very stupid. it’s also possible to be white and stupid.

why do you assume that pointing out ones stupidity, is racist? especially when white people
who do the same things, get similar criticism?

Answer - you’re also stupid.
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Pete F.

01-19-2022, 11:53 AM

again, if jon stewart gets the same criticism, then how can you conclude its about race?

Pete, here’s something you obviously aren’t aware of…it’s actually possible to be both black, and very stupid. it’s also possible to be white and stupid.

why do you assume that pointing out ones stupidity, is racist? especially when white people
who do the same things, get similar criticism?

Answer - you’re also stupid.
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Apparently you equate a late night comics monologue with a nonviolent protest or is anyone who disagrees with you stupid?

Since your latest MiniTrump heroe is pushing legislation to make sure it can’t occur, can you please define “white discomfort”?

Is teaching slavery as part of US history, “white discomfort”?

Is being required to interview female and minority candidates “white discomfort”

Is teaching about the abuse of the USDA loan program “white discomfort”?

Is telling an employee not to call a colleague “boy”, or a racial epithet, “white discomfort”?

Is Hispanic workers talking Spanish amongst themselves, “white discomfort”?
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detbuch

01-19-2022, 01:16 PM

Is teaching slavery as part of US history, “white discomfort”?

Is being required to interview female and minority candidates “white discomfort”

Is teaching about the abuse of the USDA loan program “white discomfort”?

Is telling an employee not to call a colleague “boy”, or a racial epithet, “white discomfort”?

Is Hispanic workers talking Spanish amongst themselves, “white discomfort”?
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Are you discomforted by being white? You could fix that by feeling that you are black. Then you would have the black privilege of tapping into white privilege without having white discomfort.

Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 01:30 PM

Apparently you equate a late night comics monologue with a nonviolent protest or is anyone who disagrees with you stupid?

Since your latest MiniTrump heroe is pushing legislation to make sure it can’t occur, can you please define “white discomfort”?

Is teaching slavery as part of US history, “white discomfort”?

Is being required to interview female and minority candidates “white discomfort”

Is teaching about the abuse of the USDA loan program “white discomfort”?

Is telling an employee not to call a colleague “boy”, or a racial epithet, “white discomfort”?

Is Hispanic workers talking Spanish amongst themselves, “white discomfort”?
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"Is teaching slavery as part of US history, “white discomfort”?"

Nope. As long as its taught accurately (which side fought for it, who fought against it), and as long as we don't tell white kids hundreds of years later, that they have any responsibility for it.

"Is being required to interview female and minority candidates “white discomfort”"

No. But it's stupid.

The Dad Fisherman

01-19-2022, 01:49 PM

Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 02:34 PM

Pete F.

01-19-2022, 02:42 PM

"Is teaching slavery as part of US history, “white discomfort”?"

Nope. As long as its taught accurately (which side fought for it, who fought against it), and as long as we don't tell white kids hundreds of years later, that they have any responsibility for it.

"Is being required to interview female and minority candidates “white discomfort”"

No. But it's stupid.

So you were taught in school about how after emancipation and reconstruction came the Jim Crow era and the reason why it happened and the effects on the black population, how black property ownership decreased over the past century and why?

For the past twenty years to bid on federally funded projects I’ve been required to prove that I’ve solicited quotes from women and minority owned firms, never has been a hard task and the numbers of such firms have grown.
Must be construction firms are stupid
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Pete F.

01-19-2022, 02:51 PM

That one line, MLK's most famous line, spits in the face of much of today's liberal agenda, which puts race above just about everything else.

Try another line

“Why is equality so assiduously avoided? Why does white America delude itself, and how does it rationalize the evil it retains?
The majority of white Americans consider themselves sincerely committed to justice for the Negro. They believe that American society is essentially hospitable to fair play and to steady growth toward a middle-class Utopia embodying racial harmony. But unfortunately this is a fantasy of self-deception and comfortable vanity.”
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Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 02:52 PM

So you were taught in school about how after emancipation and reconstruction came the Jim Crow era and the reason why it happened and the effects on the black population, how black property ownership decreased over the past century and why?

For the past twenty years to bid on federally funded projects I’ve been required to prove that I’ve solicited quotes from women and minority owned firms, never has been a hard task and the numbers of such firms have grown.
Must be construction firms are stupid
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"came the Jim Crow era "

like slavery, Jim Crow was also supported by democrats, and opposed by Republicans.

"For the past twenty years to bid on federally funded projects I’ve been required to prove that I’ve solicited quotes from women and minority owned firms, never has been a hard task and the numbers of such firms have grown."

I never said it was hard. I said it was stupid.

When I interview for a spot, and a perfect candidate comes along, I snatch him up, I don't want to say "please wait by the phone, don't interview anywhere else, I just have to go through the motions of interviewing people who have specific skin color and genitalia."

Sane people, don't think that someone's skin color or gender say anything about who they are. Rational people know, that things which we have no control over, do not define us.

Liberals disagree, because race is everything. Dividing people into little boxes based on race and gender, is crucial to democrats. Republicans could care less.

Pete' everything you need to know is in that sentence from MLK that TDF quoted, and it shows how asinine liberalism is on the subject.

I can't help but notice that for all liberals claim to care about blacks, liberalism doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot of good in black urban areas. i lived outside of New Haven for 24 years, worked in downtown Hartford for 15 or so years. Those cities are declining rapidly. Liberalism has been a Holocaust for blacks, the only statistic you need to look at which explains everything, is rate of fatherlessness. Which conservatives want to address, liberals want to ignore.

I really, really can't wait to see what happens with Hispanics in November, and what the liberal reaction is. Let's see liberals celebrate open borders if Hispanics are no longer a reliable democrat voting block. That may be a pipe dream of mine, but the VA results and recent polling suggest a rightward shift among Hispanics.

Pete F.

01-19-2022, 02:53 PM

White Discomfort must be White Privilege Lite :rollseyes:

Pete must be looking for a way to fire up the "Way Back" machine so he can go back in time so he can talk MLK into losing this line, "I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." in his I Have A Dream speech, because it's making it real hard for him to sell his racism agenda
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Here’s a line for you

“I contend that the cry of “Black Power” is, at bottom, a reaction to the reluctance of white power to make the kind of changes necessary to make justice a reality for the Negro. I think that we’ve got to see that a riot is the language of the unheard. And, what is it that America has failed to hear? It has failed to hear that the economic plight of the Negro poor has worsened over the last few years.”
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Pete F.

01-19-2022, 03:01 PM

"came the Jim Crow era "

like slavery, Jim Crow was also supported by democrats, and opposed by Republicans.

"For the past twenty years to bid on federally funded projects I’ve been required to prove that I’ve solicited quotes from women and minority owned firms, never has been a hard task and the numbers of such firms have grown."

I never said it was hard. I said it was stupid.

When I interview for a spot, and a perfect candidate comes along, I snatch him up, I don't want to say "please wait by the phone, don't interview anywhere else, I just have to go through the motions of interviewing people who have specific skin color and genitalia."

Sane people, don't think that someone's skin color or gender say anything about who they are. Rational people know, that things which we have no control over, do not define us.

Liberals disagree, because race is everything. Dividing people into little boxes based on race and gender, is crucial to democrats. Republicans could care less.

Pete' everything you need to know is in that sentence from MLK that TDF quoted, and it shows how asinine liberalism is on the subject.

I can't help but notice that for all liberals claim to care about blacks, liberalism doesn't seem to be doing a whole lot of good in black urban areas. i lived outside of New Haven for 24 years, worked in downtown Hartford for 15 or so years. Those cities are declining rapidly. Liberalism has been a Holocaust for blacks, the only statistic you need to look at which explains everything, is rate of fatherlessness. Which conservatives want to address, liberals want to ignore.

I really, really can't wait to see what happens with Hispanics in November, and what the liberal reaction is. Let's see liberals celebrate open borders if Hispanics are no longer a reliable democrat voting block. That may be a pipe dream of mine, but the VA results and recent polling suggest a rightward shift among Hispanics.

Jim
Everything you need to know about systemic racism and that it exists is contained in how that quote from MLK is used.
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The Dad Fisherman

01-19-2022, 03:19 PM

Sorry Pete, I'll go by the quote I posted, that one speaks to me.
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Pete F.

01-19-2022, 03:21 PM

The Dad Fisherman

01-19-2022, 03:25 PM

Nope, still didn't change my mind, sticking with it.
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Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 03:40 PM

Sorry Pete, I'll go by the quote I posted, that one speaks to me.
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Right. Ignoring race, is racist, that's what he's saying.

Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 03:42 PM

Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 03:43 PM

Jim
Everything you need to know about systemic racism and that it exists is contained in how that quote from MLK is used.
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By definition, it cannot be racist to ignore race and focus on a person's character.

Racism, by definition, involves treating people differently, according to race.

Pete F.

01-19-2022, 03:59 PM

We were quoting MLK, not his son. MLK, who is a national hero, asked us to try and forget about race when judging people.

MLK is your hero?
Just how many of his beliefs do you support?

This one, "This country has socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor."
--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., 1968

Or this one, “ Again we have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that Capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifice. The fact is that capitalism was built on the exploitation and suffering of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor – both black and white, both here and abroad.”
— The Three Evils of Society, 1967
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detbuch

01-19-2022, 04:17 PM

MLK 3rd has explained it more than once, “Yes, we should judge people by the content of the character and not the color of their skin — but that is when we have a true, just, humane society where there are no biases, where there is no racism, where there is no discrimination,” Martin Luther King III said. “Unfortunately, all of these things still exist.”
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From this quote, the 3rd doesn't seem nearly as mentally sharp nor as linguistically competent as his forebear. I don't recall senior expressing a desire for utopia, except in his Christian heaven. Judging people by the content of their character is dependent on personal biases followed by a judgmental discrimination as a result of those biases.

I don't think MLK wanted us to wait for some perfection of man before "racial justice" could be achieved. I suppose that he knew there would always be evil expressing itself in the mass of humanity. I guess that, if he was not a hypocrite, something approaching that perfection would be required for entry into heaven (and that not many would get there), but not be necessary in a just, earthly, society.

I think the "justice" he sought was in the legal, cultural, and societal makeup of the nation in which he dreamed that his "four little children will one day live in." He did not expect everyone in that society to be righteous. I believe, contrary to the 3rd's desire, "all these [evil] things [will always] exist."

Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 05:56 PM

MLK is your hero?
Just how many of his beliefs do you support?

This one, "This country has socialism for the rich, and rugged individualism for the poor."
--Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., 1968

Or this one, “ Again we have deluded ourselves into believing the myth that Capitalism grew and prospered out of the Protestant ethic of hard work and sacrifice. The fact is that capitalism was built on the exploitation and suffering of black slaves and continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor – both black and white, both here and abroad.”
— The Three Evils of Society, 1967
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his work on civil
rights makes him a hero.

and we’ve spent trillions and trillions on the poor since the 1960s. and don’t have much reduction in puberty to show for it, i might add.

ming wanted us to ignore race. obviously you disagree. that’s your right. just be honest and i afraid and admit it, you want to focus intently on race.

economic status is more important. i don’t mind funding effective programs to help poor people. but not by race. a wealthy black family doesn’t need my help more than a poor white family. do you disagree with that?
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The Dad Fisherman

01-19-2022, 06:11 PM

Pete F.

01-19-2022, 08:47 PM

his work on civil
rights makes him a hero.

and we’ve spent trillions and trillions on the poor since the 1960s. and don’t have much reduction in puberty to show for it, i might add.

ming wanted us to ignore race. obviously you disagree. that’s your right. just be honest and i afraid and admit it, you want to focus intently on race.

economic status is more important. i don’t mind funding effective programs to help poor people. but not by race. a wealthy black family doesn’t need my help more than a poor white family. do you disagree with that?
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You’ve obviously never read MLKs I had a dream speech or you wouldn’t quote just part of one sentence.

https://www.npr.org/2010/01/18/122701268/i-have-a-dream-speech-in-its-entirety
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Jim in CT

01-19-2022, 09:20 PM

Sorry, this is gold, and I don’t want to lose it :hihi:
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that’s a good typo.
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wdmso

01-20-2022, 08:16 AM

Last night on the dishonest Tucker show went on and on how mask don’t work

Then showed clip after clip of medical professionals saying CLOTH mask don’t work then Moved to Seee they Lied to you since the beginning of the pandemic
And now Biden send a mask out that wont work anyway..

Feeding His gullible audiences with misinformation

PaulS

01-20-2022, 08:27 AM

and we’ve spent trillions and trillions on the poor since the 1960s. and don’t have much reduction in puberty to show for it, i might add.

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Sorry, this is gold, and I don’t want to lose it :hihi:
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https://sites.utexas.edu/contemporaryfamilies/2014/01/06/was-war-on-poverty-a-failure-report/

And from a different article.
Earlier this month, the President’s Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) declared that the War on Poverty launched by President Lyndon Johnson in 1964 is “largely over and a success.” Although it is premature to declare an outright and absolute victory, it’s great that policymakers at the highest level of government recognize that our social safety net programs are working.

But if we are to continue to reduce hardship and promote mobility from poverty through access to good jobs, work and other means, we have to understand the nature of poverty today. It's important that we draw the right lessons from the past so we don’t underestimate our current challenges and cede our hard-won progress in the War on Poverty.

Let’s start with the good news in the CEA report: material well-being in the United States has improved considerably. The poverty rate has also declined over the last few decades, although you wouldn’t know it if you looked just at the official poverty rate, which has not fluctuated greatly since the 1960s, ranging from 10 to 15 percent.

The official poverty rate draws a threshold based on food consumption patterns from the 1950s and considers only pretax cash income as available resources. Consequently, the official poverty rate understates both the needs of today’s families and the resources available to them. In fact, two of our largest sources of support to low-income families—the earned income tax credit (EITC) and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)—don’t count in our official poverty measure.

Recognizing the limitations of the official poverty measure, the Census Bureau developed a supplemental poverty measure (SPM) in 2009 that better captures needs and resources.

When researchers extended the SPM back in time, they found that the poverty rate dropped from 26 percent in 1967 to 16 percent in 2012 and to about 14 percent in 2016, more accurately capturing poverty’s downward trend than does the official poverty measure. In addition, without SNAP and refundable tax credits, the poverty rate would have been 3.7 percentage points higher than it was in 2016. Expansions of the EITC and SNAP have alleviated poverty in ways the SPM reflects and the official poverty measure misses.

Limitations of a consumption-based poverty rate
The “too good to be true” news from the CEA is that the poverty rate declined from 30 percent in 1960 to just 3 percent in 2016 when applying a “consumption-based” poverty measure, which measures what a family consumes instead of how much income it earns. A consumption-based poverty measure has some merit. After all, a family with no income but substantial assets would be considered “income poor” but could be consuming at comfortable levels.

Because there is no official measure of consumption-based poverty, the CEA relies on the work of economists Bruce Meyer and James Sullivan. To develop a consumption-based poverty rate, Meyer and Sullivan need accurate data on consumption and a meaningful standard for how much a family needs to consume to have a minimally adequate standard of living. Some scholars have expressed concerns about the data Meyer and Sullivan use to construct their consumption-based poverty rate.

Those concerns aside, the consumption-based poverty rate from Meyer and Sullivan that the CEA cites is indexed to 1980, an arbitrary threshold that might understate the hardship and need families experience today. Using this measure allows the CEA to suggest that poverty isn’t much a problem in the US today.

Drawing a meaningful threshold for consumption-based poverty is a challenge—for example, when the authors equate the consumption and official poverty rates in 2015 and then apply their techniques backward, they find that nearly 40 percent of Americans were poor in 1980, and nearly 60 percent were poor in 1960. Those levels are too high to be a meaningful indication of overall hardship in those years. Similarly, the 3 percent figure touted by the CEA for 2016 is too low.

Further, crossing a given consumption threshold does not mean you have the power and control over your resources and life to not be “poor.” Exposing yourself or your children to a potentially abusive situation just to have a roof over your head or trading sex for food or income might keep you out of consumption poverty, but you are still poor.

The role of antipoverty programs
Although it’s too soon to declare the War on Poverty over, it is important to recognize the progress we have made and the important role our antipoverty programs such as SNAP and EITC have played in that success. Use of a consumption-based poverty measure should neither lead to a misguided belief that the War on Poverty has been won nor justify making major changes—however well intentioned—to safety net programs that risk cutting people off from the very programs that have kept them out of poverty.

Well-designed reforms that help recipients overcome their barriers to work, supplement and support their efforts to work, and recognize that some recipients will be limited in the amount and type of work they can do can help us make even more progress against poverty.

wdmso

01-20-2022, 09:07 AM

wdmso

01-20-2022, 09:12 AM

Jim in CT

01-20-2022, 09:17 AM

https://sites.utexas.edu/contemporaryfamilies/2014/01/06/was-war-on-poverty-a-failure-report/

And from a different article.
Earlier this month, the President’s Council of Economic Advisers (CEA) declared that the War on Poverty launched by President Lyndon Johnson in 1964 is “largely over and a success.” Although it is premature to declare an outright and absolute victory, it’s great that policymakers at the highest level of government recognize that our social safety net programs are working.

But if we are to continue to reduce hardship and promote mobility from poverty through access to good jobs, work and other means, we have to understand the nature of poverty today. It's important that we draw the right lessons from the past so we don’t underestimate our current challenges and cede our hard-won progress in the War on Poverty.

Let’s start with the good news in the CEA report: material well-being in the United States has improved considerably. The poverty rate has also declined over the last few decades, although you wouldn’t know it if you looked just at the official poverty rate, which has not fluctuated greatly since the 1960s, ranging from 10 to 15 percent.

The official poverty rate draws a threshold based on food consumption patterns from the 1950s and considers only pretax cash income as available resources. Consequently, the official poverty rate understates both the needs of today’s families and the resources available to them. In fact, two of our largest sources of support to low-income families—the earned income tax credit (EITC) and the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP)—don’t count in our official poverty measure.

Recognizing the limitations of the official poverty measure, the Census Bureau developed a supplemental poverty measure (SPM) in 2009 that better captures needs and resources.

When researchers extended the SPM back in time, they found that the poverty rate dropped from 26 percent in 1967 to 16 percent in 2012 and to about 14 percent in 2016, more accurately capturing poverty’s downward trend than does the official poverty measure. In addition, without SNAP and refundable tax credits, the poverty rate would have been 3.7 percentage points higher than it was in 2016. Expansions of the EITC and SNAP have alleviated poverty in ways the SPM reflects and the official poverty measure misses.

Limitations of a consumption-based poverty rate
The “too good to be true” news from the CEA is that the poverty rate declined from 30 percent in 1960 to just 3 percent in 2016 when applying a “consumption-based” poverty measure, which measures what a family consumes instead of how much income it earns. A consumption-based poverty measure has some merit. After all, a family with no income but substantial assets would be considered “income poor” but could be consuming at comfortable levels.

Because there is no official measure of consumption-based poverty, the CEA relies on the work of economists Bruce Meyer and James Sullivan. To develop a consumption-based poverty rate, Meyer and Sullivan need accurate data on consumption and a meaningful standard for how much a family needs to consume to have a minimally adequate standard of living. Some scholars have expressed concerns about the data Meyer and Sullivan use to construct their consumption-based poverty rate.

Those concerns aside, the consumption-based poverty rate from Meyer and Sullivan that the CEA cites is indexed to 1980, an arbitrary threshold that might understate the hardship and need families experience today. Using this measure allows the CEA to suggest that poverty isn’t much a problem in the US today.

Drawing a meaningful threshold for consumption-based poverty is a challenge—for example, when the authors equate the consumption and official poverty rates in 2015 and then apply their techniques backward, they find that nearly 40 percent of Americans were poor in 1980, and nearly 60 percent were poor in 1960. Those levels are too high to be a meaningful indication of overall hardship in those years. Similarly, the 3 percent figure touted by the CEA for 2016 is too low.

Further, crossing a given consumption threshold does not mean you have the power and control over your resources and life to not be “poor.” Exposing yourself or your children to a potentially abusive situation just to have a roof over your head or trading sex for food or income might keep you out of consumption poverty, but you are still poor.

The role of antipoverty programs
Although it’s too soon to declare the War on Poverty over, it is important to recognize the progress we have made and the important role our antipoverty programs such as SNAP and EITC have played in that success. Use of a consumption-based poverty measure should neither lead to a misguided belief that the War on Poverty has been won nor justify making major changes—however well intentioned—to safety net programs that risk cutting people off from the very programs that have kept them out of poverty.

Well-designed reforms that help recipients overcome their barriers to work, supplement and support their efforts to work, and recognize that some recipients will be limited in the amount and type of work they can do can help us make even more progress against poverty.

“the war on poverty is over and a success.”

Paul, i can find someone who will
write that i am the spitting image of Brad Pitt and post it. That doesn’t make it so.

You’re waaay too smart to believe that. Take a drive through bridgeport or hartford, tell
me we successfully won the war on poverty. Ask any public schoolteacher in any urban school if poverty has been defeated.

I’ve lived in CT my whole life. The cities are far worse today, then when i was a kid. And they keep getting worse. They keep getting worse, because of fatherlessness and culture. Lack of money has almost nothing to do with it. You don't fix a broken culture by mailing out bigger and bigger welfare checks.

If I post an article from someone saying that Pickett’s Charge at Gettysburg was a success, that doesn’t make it so.
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Jim in CT

01-20-2022, 09:29 AM

Paul in Jims world view

If there is any poverty then any program which try’s to stop it has failed

It’s the same with Covid , cancer , education , mask , vaccines,

Unless these changes or ideas are made by the GOP then they are considered benevolent and worthily of the effort to irradicate them

Like voter integrity laws , Tax cuts , Jan 6th , Trump himself , Abortion

my worldview…

the poorest sections of our big cities, are way worse today than 25 years ago. No comparison. there’s literally no comparison. Fatherlessness and drugs.

what’s my view on cancer wayne?

all i’ve ever said about cancer, is that biden explicitly promised we’d cure it, on the condition that he got elected. Well, he won. He’s got three years to make good.

What did i say in that paragraph, that you could say is incorrect?

Covid? Probably chinas fault, not anything that any president could have done much differently. it’s not trumps fault, it’s not biden’s fault. But Again, biden promised to beat the disease, but the numbers are worse than last year. And that’s not biden’s fault, it’s the pandemic. As TDF said, blame mother nature. But Biden promised to beat it, and it’s fair to hold him accountable for that promise.

Trump promised to build the wall and he didn’t, and i have criticized him here many times for failing to deliver on that promise. He gets a big, fat, F on that. Similarly, i criticize biden for promising to cure cancer and promising to beat covid.

Tell me, where is the hypocrisy, when i consistently and accurately criticize both presidents for failing to deliver on promises?

Biden’s promise to cure cancer, is exploiting people who are at the most desperate and vulnerarable situation that a human being can be in. it’s reptilian to try and exploit that desperation for personal gain. And that’s exactly, precisely what biden did. It does t matter if that hurts your political narrative, what matters is that’s what happened.

i can criticize republicans and democrats. you can only criticize republicans, you can only praise democrats.

Wayne, you keep defending democrats from every single criticism. Why does every poll, as well as the election results in VA and NJ, clearly suggest that America doesn't like what liberals are doing? Are the polls wrong in your opinion? If the midterms were held today, what do you really, honestly think would happen?

The polls are miserable for democrats. How does that happen, especially when every single TV station except foxnews, and all of academia, constantly pushes the notion that liberals are good and conservatives are evil?

Biden said yesterday he couldn't name one single thing that conservatives stand for. Seriously? Well he's on the path to learning a very very stark lesson in November. A lot can and likely will happen between now and then, if covid peters out and they can et a grip on inflation without causing a recession, that will be a real feather in his cap. But if the midterms were today, the democrats would get annihilated. They almost lost NJ, and NO ONE was talking about that.
There's a reason for that. I'm very curious to know what you think the reason is. Racism?

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scottw

01-20-2022, 09:39 AM

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“the war on poverty is over and a success.”

without SNAP and refundable tax credits, the poverty rate would have been 3.7 percentage points higher than it was in 2016. Expansions of the EITC and SNAP have alleviated poverty in ways the SPM reflects and the official poverty measure misses.....

if solving poverty is measured by the making people more and more reliant on government handouts and services in order to escape poverty and less reliant on themselves....

then I guess you could consider the left's war on poverty a success....great job!

Jim in CT

01-20-2022, 09:43 AM

The Florida Department of Health has placed a top official on administrative leave after he criticised staff over their vaccination rate.

In an email on 4 January, Dr Raul Pino called unvaccinated staff members "irresponsible" and wrote "we are not even at 50% - pathetic".
Legislation passed in Florida late last year prohibits employers, public and private, from mandating jabs.

Don’t see and mandating in that email

I agree with you on vaccines, I think people are being dumb. But if you're a state official, and you cross the governor (even if the governor is wrong, as I believe Desantis is getting it wrong on vaccine, which is a big thing to be wrong on), you're going to get booted.

Maybe the state of FL could learn how to tolerate dissenting opinions from democrats, who are being so very tolerant of Manchin and Sinema right now. Right?

Maxine Waters went on TV, and said Manchin and Sinema don't care about black people. You don't have chit to say about that, that's fine with you.

PaulS

01-20-2022, 09:58 AM

“the war on poverty is over and a success.”

Paul, i can find someone who will
write that i am the spitting image of Brad Pitt and post it. That doesn’t make it so.

You’re waaay too smart to believe that. Take a drive through bridgeport or hartford, tell
me we successfully won the war on poverty. Ask any public schoolteacher in any urban school if poverty has been defeated.No One said it was "defeated". You said a "reduction".

I’ve lived in CT my whole life. The cities are far worse today, then when i was a kid. And they keep getting worse. They keep getting worse, because of fatherlessness and culture. Lack of money has almost nothing to do with it. You don't fix a broken culture by mailing out bigger and bigger welfare checks.

If I post an article from someone saying that Pickett’s Charge at Gettysburg was a success, that doesn’t make it so.
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Poor People's lives are much better now than they were in the 60s - not good, but better.

Jim in CT

01-20-2022, 10:09 AM

Poor People's lives are much better now than they were in the 60s - not good, but better.

"No One said it was "defeated"

You quoted this..."the War on Poverty launched by President Lyndon Johnson in 1964 is “largely over and a success.” Maybe I misinterpreted that, fair enough.

"Poor People's lives are much better now than they were in the 60s - not good, but better."

Not a chance. Sure, you can play with what defines "poverty" and come up with a statistic that shows that fewer people are below it, and maybe (hopefully) things like life expectancy are better for poor people today than they were 50 years ago. And maybe "poor people" today are more likely to have air conditioning, cell phones, material things I guess. And hopefully more have access to healthcare.

But again, I lived just outside of New Haven for decades, and worked in downtown Hartford for almost 15 years. Today, those places look like they can't be in America, you'd swear you were in Haiti or Somalia.

I don't think you'd find a single public schoolteacjher who has spent decades in a big city, who'd say that the socioeconomics of their students is better today than 35 years ago.

The quality of life enjoyed by our poorest children, will move in almost exact correlation with the rates of fatherlessness in those communities. As fatherlessness has exploded, so has the socioeconomic quality of life deteriorated.

Id actually love to see a poll done by all the teachers in the biggest cities who have bene there for decades, to comment on whether they see improvements or deterioration.

scottw

01-20-2022, 10:34 AM

Poor People's lives are much better now than they were in the 60s - not good, but better.

this is correct, we have color tv instead of black and white

scottw

01-20-2022, 10:37 AM

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The quality of life enjoyed by our poorest children

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parents won't feed them... poverty is so good these days that schools must feed them breakfast and lunch every day including summer or they would starve to death

did poor parents feed their kids back in the 60's or did they just starve to death on the street?

PaulS

01-20-2022, 11:17 AM

"No One said it was "defeated"

You quoted this..."the War on Poverty launched by President Lyndon Johnson in 1964 is “largely over and a success.” Maybe I misinterpreted that, fair enough.

"Poor People's lives are much better now than they were in the 60s - not good, but better."

Not a chance. Sure, you can play with what defines "poverty" and come up with a statistic that shows that fewer people are below it, and maybe (hopefully) things like life expectancy are better for poor people today than they were 50 years ago. And maybe "poor people" today are more likely to have air conditioning, cell phones, material things I guess. And hopefully more have access to healthcare.

But again, I lived just outside of New Haven for decades, and worked in downtown Hartford for almost 15 years. Today, those places look like they can't be in America, you'd swear you were in Haiti or Somalia.

I don't think you'd find a single public schoolteacjher who has spent decades in a big city, who'd say that the socioeconomics of their students is better today than 35 years ago.

The quality of life enjoyed by our poorest children, will move in almost exact correlation with the rates of fatherlessness in those communities. As fatherlessness has exploded, so has the socioeconomic quality of life deteriorated.

Id actually love to see a poll done by all the teachers in the biggest cities who have bene there for decades, to comment on whether they see improvements or deterioration.
You said a reduction in poverty and I showed you there has been a reduction in poverty.

N.H. is far better than it was in the past (and I lived in the NH area for years). Hartford too (I worked there 20 years). Parts of America (Kent, WV, Appalachia, Miss. etc) had no sewers, running water, electricity and people lived in tin huts. Schools are better for those people. Food security is better.

Jim in CT

01-20-2022, 11:29 AM

You said a reduction in poverty and I showed you there has been a reduction in poverty.

N.H. is far better than it was in the past (and I lived in the NH area for years). Hartford too (I worked there 20 years). Parts of America (Kent, WV, Appalachia, Miss. etc) had no sewers, running water, electricity and people lived in tin huts. Schools are better for those people. Food security is better.

"You said a reduction in poverty and I showed you there has been a reduction in poverty."

True enough.

"N.H. is far better than it was in the past (and I lived in the NH area for years). Hartford too (I worked there 20 years)"

I guess it depends on when you're comparing today to. If you're comparing today to the time of the Great Depression, sure it's better today. If you're comparing today to 20 years ago, I just don't see how you could say that it's in any way better. The cities are way more dysfunctional.

Again, it would be interesting to see what cops or teachers, who've been there for decades, would say. Maybe I'm thinking more of social/family dysfunctionality than wealth/poverty, I don't know.

I do know that when I grew up in west Haven, we only had one car which my dad usually drove to work. When I was really little, for a treat my mom would walk us to the bus stop, we'd take the bus to New Haven, have lunch, maybe pick out a toy at the toy store. We wouldn't think of doing that today. It would be way too dangerous and unpleasant.

In the 15 years I worked in downtown Hartford, the blight, the aggressive panhandling, was way way worse at the end of my time, than the beginning. There were times I felt like I was walking in Haiti.

scottw

01-20-2022, 11:52 AM

Parts of America (Kent, WV, Appalachia, Miss. etc) had no sewers, running water, electricity and people lived in tin huts. Schools are better for those people. Food security is better.

it's almost like the current tent cities in democrat cities across America

wdmso

01-20-2022, 01:05 PM

Jim in CT

01-20-2022, 01:24 PM

So we haven’t defeated poverty We haven’t had a balanced budget in decades we haven’t won a war since WW2

And conservatives complain as if Republicans never held public office or the White House …. It’s always someone else’s fault

except i never said the gop has no blame. they have lots of blame.

keep
making things up though.
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wdmso

01-20-2022, 03:57 PM

except i never said the gop has no blame. they have lots of blame.

keep
making things up though.
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If I was referring to you and only you I would use your name . I Don’t see Jim in my post ..

scottw

01-22-2022, 08:36 AM

JAN. 20, 2022 9 PM PT
SACRAMENTO —

Under a bill introduced Thursday by a California lawmaker children in the state would be allowed to make their own vaccination decisions. Senate Bill 866 by Sen. Scott Wiener (D-San Francisco) would permit children 12 and older to be vaccinated, including against COVID-19, without a parent’s consent or knowledge.

wdmso

01-22-2022, 04:02 PM

Virginia parent charged by police after threatening to ‘bring every single gun’ if school board doesn’t make masks optional

but but liberals

detbuch

01-22-2022, 04:09 PM

Virginia parent charged by police after threatening to ‘bring every single gun’ if school board doesn’t make masks optional

but but liberals

Did you just find a needle in a haystack?

Jim in CT

01-22-2022, 04:19 PM

Did you just find a needle in a haystack?

yes. a conservative did something very bad, therefore we are all guilty for it.
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Jim in CT

01-22-2022, 04:23 PM

Virginia parent charged by police after threatening to ‘bring every single gun’ if school board doesn’t make masks optional

but but liberals

yup. find one kook, claim they speak for all of us.

but but the polls.
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Pete F.

01-22-2022, 11:24 PM

yup. find one kook, claim they speak for all of us.

but but the polls.
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Hmmm
Does ivermectin cure home field playoff losses? Just asking...
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scottw

01-23-2022, 05:25 AM

Virginia parent charged by police after threatening to ‘bring every single gun’ if school board doesn’t make masks optional

but but liberals

I read the story...I bet she doesn't even own any guns

“I in no way meant to imply all guns loaded as in actual firearms, but rather all resources I can muster to make sure my children get to attend schools without masks” she wrote. “Sincere apologies for my poor choice in words.”

scottw

01-23-2022, 05:54 AM

Hmmm
Does ivermectin cure home field playoff losses? Just asking...

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not sure...but it's probably just as effective in preventing infections from omicron as two shots and two boosters...probably need yet another booster..because..."omicron stealth"

JERUSALEM, Jan 17 (Reuters) - A fourth shot of COVID-19 vaccine boosts antibodies to even higher levels than the third jab but it is not enough to prevent Omicron infections, according to a preliminary study in Israel.

Jim in CT

01-23-2022, 07:34 AM

I read the story...I bet she doesn't even own any guns

“I in no way meant to imply all guns loaded as in actual firearms, but rather all resources I can muster to make sure my children get to attend schools without masks” she wrote. “Sincere apologies for my poor choice in words.”

let’s throw her in Guantanamo Bay.
but it’s ok when chuck schumer says the supreme court will “reap the whirlwind and never know what hit them”, if they continue to make decisions he doesn’t like. That’s ok.
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Pete F.

01-23-2022, 08:21 AM

I read the story...I bet she doesn't even own any guns

“I in no way meant to imply all guns loaded as in actual firearms, but rather all resources I can muster to make sure my children get to attend schools without masks” she wrote. “Sincere apologies for my poor choice in words.”

So you think it’s not worth worrying about, I’m sure the parents watching the school board meeting on cable just said meh🤡
Bullying is just the American way

Aaron Rodgers and the Packers can still make it to the Super Bowl if Mike Pence has enough courage.
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scottw

01-23-2022, 08:36 AM

So you think it’s not worth worrying about

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I think she was arrested and will be explaining herself to a judge...so, no it's not worth worrying about

scottw

01-23-2022, 08:37 AM

Bullying is just the American way

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yeah...we've noticed

scottw

01-23-2022, 08:41 AM

but it’s ok when chuck schumer says the supreme court will “reap the whirlwind and never know what hit them”, if they continue to make decisions he doesn’t like. That’s ok.

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more specifically.."You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

sounds like bullying...

Jim in CT

01-23-2022, 09:24 AM

more specifically.."You have released the whirlwind and you will pay the price. You won’t know what hit you if you go forward with these awful decisions.”

sounds like bullying...

if it was a republican who said it, that would be threatening. when the democrat senate majority leader says it, they ignore it.
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The Dad Fisherman

01-23-2022, 09:49 AM

"If you see anybody from that Cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere."

Let me guess, false equivalency, or missing context, or something else equally as absurd

But definitely NOT bullying :rolleyes:

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Jim in CT

01-23-2022, 09:53 AM

Pete F.

01-23-2022, 10:58 AM

The vaccine reduces the severity of COVID so much that Aaron Rodgers is unvaccinated and yet his receivers didn't catch anything significant.
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scottw

01-23-2022, 11:12 AM

The vaccine reduces the severity of COVID so much

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like Tylenol and Motrin

Pete F.

01-23-2022, 12:05 PM

like Tylenol and Motrin

Three large studies by the CDC show just how vital booster shots are when it comes to preventing hospitalization and death, especially among one age group.

The first study, released Friday, looked at almost 88,000 hospitalizations in 10 states found that booster shots were 90% effective at keeping people with the omicron variant of COVID-19 out of the hospital. The data was collected during December and January when the omicron was dominant.

Ivermectin provides full protection against the NFC Championship Game.

After the game, Aaron Rodgers was pleading with the officials to find him 4 more points.
I mean, he did have 77% of the points until those late points came in out of nowhere. Clearly fraudulent....
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scottw

01-23-2022, 02:11 PM

Three large studies by the CDC show just how vital booster shots are when it comes to preventing hospitalization and death, especially among one age group.

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yes, if you are old and in poor health...it might help...

scottw

01-23-2022, 05:59 PM

"a pandemic of the bureaucracy"...what are the
mask/vax nazis going to do when most of their friends leave them for freedom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bQ2rctogOs

wdmso

01-24-2022, 08:51 AM

"a pandemic of the bureaucracy"...what are the
mask/vax nazis going to do when most of their friends leave them for freedom?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bQ2rctogOs
It’s fitting you post the childish rant of a pouty baby.. whos. done with Covid , reflecting your own feelings somehow represents liberals because she’s on Bill’s show..

ask a nurses if their done with Covid I bet they are ! But for much different reasons Not just because they’re ask to wear a mask..

Even Liberals are not immune to simpleton Arguments
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wdmso

01-24-2022, 11:49 AM

Stressed hospitals are asking workers with covid to return — even if they may be infectious

But people are done with Covid .. it seems Covid isn’t done with The human race
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scottw

01-24-2022, 12:03 PM

It’s fitting you post the childish rant of a pouty baby..

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interesting that one of her points was that other liberals and progressives she knows feel similar to her but they know that saying so will result in them being mindlessly attacked and called names by lunatics...great job making her point :humpty:

wdmso

01-24-2022, 05:06 PM

interesting that one of her points was that other liberals and progressives she knows feel similar to her but they know that saying so will result in them being mindlessly attacked and called names by lunatics...great job making her point :humpty:

What your not a pouty child ? It’s hard to tell from your Posts

And I love the . well she knows a friend who feels the same way

A huge difference from being tired of Covid and dismissive of Covid outright. Ps that’s what your doing like Tylenol and Motrin

Id say that’s a simpletons response but then I would be accused of calling you stupid :kewl:

Pete F.

01-24-2022, 09:06 PM

New study: “Virus spread was 62 percent higher in school districts without mask rules.”
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scottw

01-25-2022, 05:08 AM

New study: “Virus spread was 62 percent higher in school districts without mask rules.”
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that's from October 15, 2021

someone just decided to recycle it...that is pre-omicron

it's over pete...you can wear you mask to bed if you like and get boostered every three months..leave everyone else alone...good luck

ps the difference was...

"The rate of infection reached an average of about 45 cases per 100 thousand students by late September in school districts with mask mandates.

Virus spread was 62% higher in school districts without mask rules- where the infection rate averaged 73 cases per 100 thousand students by late September.

45 cases per 100,000 vs 72 cases per 1000,000

I bet the kids without the masks were much happier and healthier

wdmso

01-25-2022, 12:10 PM

scottw

01-25-2022, 12:31 PM

The Dad Fisherman

01-25-2022, 12:47 PM

I guess this is what adapting looks like.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/youth-suicide-attempts-soared-during-pandemic-cdc-report-says-n1270463
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Jim in CT

01-25-2022, 01:20 PM

I See them every day on and off the bus masks on even while waiting . must be that indoctrination, kids just adapt better than adults

yet Mexican kids cross the border alone Syrian kids live in camps but American kids are being abused because of a masks?

We all would be happier without Masks , I-am sure Americans all would have been happier if WW2 didn’t take 4 years but it did

Yet conservatives had no issues being in Afghanistan for 20years yet Covid is upsetting ?

"Mexican kids cross the border alone Syrian kids live in camps"

What the heck could possibly be your point? No one said that covid is the worst, most dangerous thing that children have ever been asked to do, in the history of the world. However, there is evidence (not just from Foxnews) that we are screwing kids with our ignorance and knee jerk reactions. Are you going to say you don't think these things are having a meniangfully negative impact on kids? All the studies are wrong, YOU know better?

Brown University released a study showing that cognitive scores for young kids are meaningfully down. CT Childrens Medical Center is seeing a huge increase in parents looking for emergency behavioral care for kids. Kids suicides are up, self mutilation is way up. But you're saying all of that is just Foxnews talking points? There's no truth to any of it?

Jim in CT

01-25-2022, 01:32 PM

I guess this is what adapting looks like.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/youth-suicide-attempts-soared-during-pandemic-cdc-report-says-n1270463
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Suicides way up, hospitalization for behavioral issues way up, self mutilation way up, cognitive development is meaningfully down.

They'll be writing papers for 100 years, about the damage we did to todays kids.

scottw

01-25-2022, 05:28 PM

heheh....mask nazis

https://twitter.com/i/status/1485694028620316673

wdmso

01-27-2022, 10:08 AM

Believe it or not, the economy grew last year at the fastest pace since 1984

how can that be?

wdmso

01-27-2022, 10:13 AM

I guess this is what adapting looks like.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/youth-suicide-attempts-soared-during-pandemic-cdc-report-says-n1270463
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Now the right cares about the children Do the parents have any responsibility to watch their kids Mental health?

again the whole story

perhaps in connection to America's struggle with Covid-19, new Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data revealed Friday.

keep trying to blame it on a Mask

wdmso

01-27-2022, 10:14 AM

heheh....mask nazis

https://twitter.com/i/status/1485694028620316673

another inbox outrage .. :rotf3:

wdmso

01-27-2022, 10:21 AM

Suicides way up, hospitalization for behavioral issues way up, self mutilation way up, cognitive development is meaningfully down.

They'll be writing papers for 100 years, about the damage we did to todays kids.

I know Jim its everyone else fault .. do the parents have any responsibility in their children's Lives

CHILDREN'S HEALTHApril 8, 2021
Even before COVID-19 pandemic, youth suicide already at record high
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among people ages 10-24 and has been increasing every year since 2007

The rate of suicide for those ages 10 to 24 increased nearly 60% between 2007 and 2018,

but let's blame the mask and create our own set of facts

Covid just exposed and added another factor to a trend the most of the America public never knew existed

The Dad Fisherman

01-27-2022, 10:32 AM

So, just so I understand this, parents should take responsibility in their children's lives, but they need to STFU at School Committee meetings? Gotcha :rolleyes:
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Jim in CT

01-27-2022, 10:35 AM

So, just so I understand this, parents should take responsibility in their children's lives, but they need to STFU at School Committee meetings? Gotcha :rolleyes:
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we're at a point, where if I said 2+2=4, he'd say "no it doesn't",

in his mind, no conservative has ever been right on anything. Never.

Also, that's a false equivalence.

Jim in CT

01-27-2022, 10:41 AM

I know Jim its everyone else fault .. do the parents have any responsibility in their children's Lives

CHILDREN'S HEALTHApril 8, 2021
Even before COVID-19 pandemic, youth suicide already at record high
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among people ages 10-24 and has been increasing every year since 2007

The rate of suicide for those ages 10 to 24 increased nearly 60% between 2007 and 2018,

but let's blame the mask and create our own set of facts

Covid just exposed and added another factor to a trend the most of the America public never knew existed

5 minutes ago, you blamed guns for gun crime. You're blaming an inanimate object.

Then just now, you say it's stupid to blame the mask.

Do you understand that every single sentence you type, is an endorsement of liberalism. No exceptions, not once, not ever.

You can't go 5 seconds without flip flopping and contradicting your self.

Yes, kids need good parents. But if parents were perfect and all powerful, we wouldn't need schools or teachers. Kids are impacted by outside influences.

The doctors at Brown University have concluded covid reactions are hurting little kids.

But you know more than they do. I'm not sure what experience you have that gives you more valid opinions than theirs, you never seem to share that. But you know they are wrong.

They're not even making a political argument, as Trump was president when we were all masked and schools were all shut down. But because you think everything I say is a conservative viewpoint, you instantly say it must be wrong.

Every single thing you don't happen to like, must be wrong.

Jim in CT

01-27-2022, 10:43 AM

scottw

01-27-2022, 11:15 AM

WDMSO, if democrats only care about fixing things and they don't care about future votes, please explain why Biden said 2 years ago that he'd put a black woman on the supreme court?

What if there are better candidates than the best black woman? Isn't it an obviously political pandering exercise, to announce years ahead of time that only black women will be considered?

Have fun answering that.

I'm offended that he didn't announce he was going to put a Native American on the Supreme Court..we were here first ..WTF? make it a two-spirit if you want to be PC

wdmso

01-27-2022, 05:34 PM

WDMSO, if democrats only care about fixing things and they don't care about future votes, please explain why Biden said 2 years ago that he'd put a black woman on the supreme court?

What if there are better candidates than the best black woman? Isn't it an obviously political pandering exercise, to announce years ahead of time that only black women will be considered?

Have fun answering that.

As if on cue Jim play the affirmative action card. And carry’s the latest conservatives outrage ..

Funny never heard you question Trumps picks over better candidates

But I. Understand black and a woman and smart you and conservatives worse fears
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Jim in CT

01-27-2022, 05:44 PM

As if on cue Jim play the affirmative action card. And carry’s the latest conservatives outrage ..

Funny never heard you question Trumps picks over better candidates

But I. Understand black and a woman and smart you and conservatives worse fears
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didn’t come close to answering the question.

what point is there to announcing years ahead of time, that only a narrow slice will even be considered?

what if the best candidate is asian? what’s the upside, other than politics?

“on cue playing the affirmative action card”.

what do you call it, when someone says a job can only be filled by a specific skin color and gender? how is that not a violation of anti discrimination law?

ones skin color and gender are random accidents. they don’t say anything about you. they don’t say anything about ones ability or character. sorry if that’s going too fast for you.

it’s very smart politics in that party. but that’s all it is. gives biden a political win which he desperately needs, and it’ll fire up his base.

pure politics. and he’s playing it well.
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Pete F.

01-28-2022, 01:33 AM

scottw

01-28-2022, 03:21 AM

Understand black and a woman and smart you and conservatives worse fears

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.

pretty sure most conservatives would be thrilled if Condoleeza Rice ran for president.....

scottw

01-28-2022, 03:24 AM

This is absolutely hilarious because literally from 1790 to 1967 every single member of the Supreme Court was selected initially through an exclusionary criteria of race and gender. What is wrong with some of you?
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must be great to have the guy making the nomination announce to the country beforehand that he's going to choose you out of all other potential candidates because the color of your skin benefits him the most politically....that's not racist or demeaning or anything

it's just Brandon doing what Obama said he'd do...he's really good at $#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g everything up

Jim in CT

01-28-2022, 06:19 AM

But I. Understand black and a woman and smart you and conservatives worse fears
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this stuff is over your head wayne…

biden announced two years ago that it’s be a black woman. When he said that, he had absolutely no way of knowing when the vacancy would be, or who the best candidates would be to fill it.

See if you can follow…you pick the best candidate for a job that important, regardless of skin color and genitalia.

pure politics. and it’s very shrewd. His presidency has been a flop, and he needs a win, and this gives him one. Breyer could have demanded. trillion dollars to resign, and he’s have gotten it. The democrats need this win badly, and they’ll get it.
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Jim in CT

01-28-2022, 06:20 AM

.

pretty sure most conservatives would be thrilled if Condoleeza Rice ran for president.....

he has to accuse me of bigotry, it’s all he has.

Been saying for 10 years the country needs Condaleeza Rice to be potus.

oh, the left would show how much they love black women then.
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scottw

01-28-2022, 06:53 AM

this stuff is over your head wayne…

biden announced two years ago that it’s be a black woman. When he said that, he had absolutely no way of knowing when the vacancy would be, or who the best candidates would be to fill it.

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consider the motivation...

he announced it when his campaign was crashing and he desperately needed SC so Clyburn told him he's support him if he stated this...he announced it during a debate after Clyburn approached him during a break in that debate and reminded him that he needed to announce it...

"Rep. James Clyburn rushed backstage during a Democratic presidential primary debate to remind Joe Biden, then a candidate, to make public his private commitment that his first Supreme Court appointment would be a Black woman, according to a book published last year.

The episode has newfound relevance given that Biden is likely to name his first Supreme Court pick in a matter of days. Justice Stephen Breyer, the most senior member of the court's liberal wing, will soon announce his retirement, according to multiple reports.

"During the last commercial break, Clyburn hurried backstage. Remember to promise to appoint a Black woman to the Supreme Court, he urged the candidate. Biden, who was trying so hard to get his footing in the debate that he let slip that he'd just call [former President] Obama for a pep talk, was frightened of forgetting it again," CNN's Edward-Isaac Dovere writes in "Battle for the Soul: Inside the Democrats' Campaigns to Defeat Trump."

Biden then made his vow in response to the first question he received after the commercial break during the February 25, 2021, debate, the last one between the Democratic presidential hopefuls before the South Carolina primary and Super Tuesday. Clyburn, an influential South Carolina Democrat and now House majority whip, announced his game-changing endorsement the day after the debate."

wdmso

01-28-2022, 07:09 AM

didn’t come close to answering the question.

what point is there to announcing years ahead of time, that only a narrow slice will even be considered? Not a history buff Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg died on September 18, 2020. The following day, Trump stated that any successor of Ginsburg would "most likely" be a woman.
what if the best candidate is asian? was that the case with Trump's appointments your concern was abortion talk about Myopic what’s the upside, other than politics?

“on cue playing the affirmative action card”.

what do you call it, POTUS prerogative when someone says a job can only be filled by a specific skin color and gender?Who ever said that Jim ? Now Whos making up stuff again
how is that not a violation of anti discrimination law? clearly you're not a lawyer

ones skin color and gender are random accidents. they don’t say anything about you. they don’t say anything about ones ability or character. sorry if that’s going too fast for you. whats to fast is your upset before a choice has been made because you were told to be upset let that sink in

it’s very smart politics in that party. but that’s all it is. gives biden a political win which he desperately needs, and it’ll fire up his base.

pure politics. and he’s playing it well. Now you pivot back to its just Politics
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Ahh yes Jim Trump made campaign promises and you hailed him as a hero Fulfilling his promises .

Ronald Reagan fulfilled his 1980 campaign promise to place a woman on the Court, which he did with the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor.

Biden does the same thing yet you cry about it .

ones skin color and gender are random accidents.

But OMG out of 115 justices, 110 (95.7%) have been men. All Supreme Court justices were males until 1981, So using your logic Jim Regan Put O Connor on the bench 1 for politics 2 Affirmative action 3 it don’t say anything about one's ability or character. or 4 what if the best candidate is asian?

One choice not on your list for Regan or Biden it's the right thing
and they checked all the boxes . Women, competence , experienced,

Jim in CT

01-28-2022, 07:42 AM

Ahh yes Jim Trump made campaign promises and you hailed him as a hero Fulfilling his promises .

Ronald Reagan fulfilled his 1980 campaign promise to place a woman on the Court, which he did with the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor.

Biden does the same thing yet you cry about it .

ones skin color and gender are random accidents.

But OMG out of 115 justices, 110 (95.7%) have been men. All Supreme Court justices were males until 1981, So using your logic Jim Regan Put O Connor on the bench 1 for politics 2 Affirmative action 3 it don’t say anything about one's ability or character. or 4 what if the best candidate is asian?

One choice not on your list for Regan or Biden it's the right thing
and they checked all the boxes . Women, competence , experienced,

if your side is hurt that the court was all men 150 years ago, that’s the best evidence i’ve ever seen, that liberals really need to grow a pair. that’s how the world was then. we’ve fixed that.

i said here it was stupid for trump
to limit it to a woman, though Barrett is superbly qualified. it’s too important. you’re not going to catch me in stupid hypocrisy, that’s your playbook, not mine. you’re the one incapable of holding his side to any standards.

Some idiot on cable news said that clarence thomas doesn’t represent blacks on the court. FFS It’s not his job to represent blacks. it’s his job to represent the Constitution. How can gender or color matter?

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Got Stripers

01-28-2022, 07:47 AM

must be great to have the guy making the nomination announce to the country beforehand that he's going to choose you out of all other potential candidates because the color of your skin benefits him the most politically....that's not racist or demeaning or anything

it's just Brandon doing what Obama said he'd do...he's really good at $#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&g everything up

So predictable, only an idiot wouldn’t accept nominations are likely to be turned into a political spin, sh*t every single Trump appointment helped him politically. What a shock to you he promised to make the court more representative of the country and more diverse.

scottw

01-28-2022, 07:51 AM

What a shock to you he promised to make the court more representative of the country and more diverse.

there are many ways to make the court more diverse...

scottw

01-28-2022, 07:59 AM

So predictable, only an idiot wouldn’t accept nominations are likely to be turned into a political spin.

only and idiot would respond with this ^^^^ :doh:

scottw

01-28-2022, 08:27 AM

i said here it was stupid for trump
to limit it to a woman,

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these days..."woman" is not necessarily a "limit" particularly for the left as we know that a "woman" is anyone that says they are a woman

scottw

01-28-2022, 08:31 AM

Ronald Reagan fulfilled his 1980 campaign promise to place a woman on the Court, which he did with the appointment of Sandra Day O'Connor.

imagine if Regan announced beforehand and specified.."white woman":rotf2:

PaulS

01-28-2022, 05:19 PM

Got Stripers

01-28-2022, 05:44 PM

I'm starting to rethink my support of the vaccines as I just heard Senator Johnson say there's athletes who have been just dropping dead on the field from the vaccine
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What another vaccine conspiracy theory, it’s getting hard to understand where these idiots get their news.

scottw

01-28-2022, 05:50 PM

What another vaccine conspiracy theory

should get the vax nazis all fired up :rotflmao:

Pete F.

01-28-2022, 10:24 PM

imagine if Regan announced beforehand and specified.."white woman":rotf2:

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
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detbuch

01-28-2022, 10:59 PM

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
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Do you feel oppressed?

scottw

01-29-2022, 05:02 AM

[QUOTE=Got Stripers;1221535

hard to understand where these idiots get their news.

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probably from "science"...

January 5, 2022

CDC Expands Booster Shot Eligibility and Strengthens Recommendations for 12-17 Year Olds

Today, CDC is endorsing the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ (ACIP) recommendation to expand eligibility of booster doses to those 12 to 15 years old. CDC now recommends that adolescents age 12 to 17 years old should receive a booster shot 5 months after their initial Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination series.

January 19, 2022

WHO says no evidence healthy children, adolescents need COVID-19 boosters

(Reuters) - There is no evidence at present that healthy children and adolescents need booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine, the World Health Organization's chief scientist Soumya Swaminathan said on Tuesday.Reuters

scottw

01-29-2022, 05:08 AM

Do you feel oppressed?

pete's definitely oppressed and feeling white guilty, white privileged, white fragilitied and there were a couple new ones too but I forget, triggered, covid ptsd afflicted, food insecure, trump deranged, probably a little claustrophobic from the basement :bsod:

wdmso

01-29-2022, 08:39 AM

[QUOTE=scottw;1221507]imagine if Regan announced beforehand and specified.."white woman":rotf2:[/QUOTE

We’re you asleep in the 80’s there were no other women but white woman in the conservatives world

Jimmy Carter He appointed more African-Americans in four years than Presidents Nixon, Ford, Reagan and Bush combined appointed in the course of nearly 20 years.

Keep enjoying your own version of history and white victim hood

That evil Biden said he was going to pick a Black women. How’s that not discrimination. Boo hoo
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wdmso

01-29-2022, 08:48 AM

probably from "science"...

January 5, 2022

CDC Expands Booster Shot Eligibility and Strengthens Recommendations for 12-17 Year Olds

Today, CDC is endorsing the Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices’ (ACIP) recommendation to expand eligibility of booster doses to those 12 to 15 years old. CDC now recommends that adolescents age 12 to 17 years old should receive a booster shot 5 months after their initial Pfizer-BioNTech vaccination series.

January 19, 2022

WHO says no evidence healthy children, adolescents need COVID-19 boosters

(Reuters) - There is no evidence at present that healthy children and adolescents need booster doses of COVID-19 vaccine, the World Health Organization's chief scientist Soumya Swaminathan said on Tuesday.Reuters

Funny when Trump was in office the WHO was vilified and attacked by his administration and his supporters over Covid

cannot allow American taxpayer dollars to continue to finance an organization that, in its present state, is so clearly not serving America’s interests,

Kayleigh McEnany said: “The WHO appears to clearly have a China bias”.

And now Scott uses them as evidence that our CDC is the enemy
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scottw

01-29-2022, 08:53 AM

scottw

01-29-2022, 08:54 AM

And now Scott uses them as evidence that our CDC is the enemy

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I didn't pick sides, just pointed out the apparently unsettled science

scottw

02-03-2022, 08:15 AM

"he didn't pledge allegiance to the main stream narrative" :hihi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=720IZhRU-Jw

Slipknot

02-04-2022, 12:23 PM

this is the kind of stuff more people need to know about
well worth watching the whole clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5SVO0lc_1_o

scottw

02-04-2022, 07:04 PM

[QUOTE=Slipknot;1221962]this is the kind of stuff more people need to know about
well worth watching the whole clip

pretty sure the FBI will investigating her and the White House will be directing Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and You Tube to make her go away

Got Stripers

02-04-2022, 07:06 PM

Somebodies foil hat loose it’s grip?

The Dad Fisherman

02-04-2022, 09:39 PM

Somebodies foil hat loose it’s grip?

*Lose
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Slipknot

02-05-2022, 09:26 AM

Somebodies foil hat loose it’s grip?

Keep outing yourself as a sheep and stick your head in the sand like a large bird

Haven’t you noticed the many so called conspiracy theories that have become truth eventually? If not, I suggest you begin to question your sources and open your closed mind.
Enjoy your Totalitarianism
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PaulS

02-05-2022, 09:34 AM

Keep outing yourself as a sheep and stick your head in the sand like a large bird

Haven’t you noticed the many so called conspiracy theories that have become truth eventually? If not, I suggest you begin to question your sources and open your closed mind.
Enjoy your Totalitarianism
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You're the crybaby who is always worried that someone is going to take your freedoms away :laughs: so you sit around stroking your gun but calling people sheep.

Go away Bruce - you don't add anything to this forum.

Jim in CT

02-05-2022, 09:41 AM

You're the crybaby who is always worried that someone is going to take your freedoms away :laughs: so you sit around stroking your gun but calling people sheep.

Go away Bruce - you don't add anything to this forum.

but you’re not angry.

you’re right, not many of us can contribute information as useful and absolutely crucial as the Missouri state legislature having members being impolite to each other. i mean, how can we function without that information?

let’s all step aside and make room for you.

call him a retard next, to show us how angry everyone is except you.
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The Dad Fisherman

02-05-2022, 09:48 AM

The words “classy” and “smarmy” come to mind
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scottw

02-05-2022, 09:54 AM

The words “classy” and “smarmy” come to mind
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and "snarky"

scottw

02-05-2022, 09:55 AM

Go away Bruce - you don't add anything to this forum.

don't overestimate your contributions :rotflmao:

Jim in CT

02-05-2022, 09:56 AM

The words “classy” and “smarmy” come to mind
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paul says it’s paranoid to talk about lost freedoms.

Meanwhile, how many small businesses were lost during government mandates lockdowns, which John’s Hopkins said were useless? Tell the people
who lost their businesses and now have to work at walmart, that no one is having anything taken from them.

but paul knows better than John’s Hopkins, he disagrees with their study and says the lockdowns helped. of course he didn’t share on what basis he concluded John’s Hopkins was wrong.

Tell the. bridgman bakers who jet forces out of business for not agreeing to abandon their religion, that nothing can ever be taken away.

Tell the charred children from Waco, or the corpses at Ruby Ridge.

The governments not out to get us. But there are tyrants out there.
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Slipknot

02-05-2022, 10:00 AM

Jim in CT

02-05-2022, 10:14 AM

https://covid19updates.org/cdc-natural-immunity-offered-stronger-protection-against-covid-than-vaccines-during-delta-wave/
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So they admit natural immunity is better yet mandates fir vaccine is acceptable by some of you people, nice.
I have heard people are being denied medical treatment if they have no gotten the shots, what kind of world do we live in? That mentality is just plain evil.

I bring this stuff up to you guys because I care about all humans. Pay attention

keep doing it and ignore the flak.

the entire media ignored John’s Hopkins study that lockdowns were useless, and they don’t want to talk about natural immunity.
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The Dad Fisherman

02-05-2022, 10:22 AM

https://covid19updates.org/cdc-natural-immunity-offered-stronger-protection-against-covid-than-vaccines-during-delta-wave/
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So they admit natural immunity is better yet mandates fir vaccine is acceptable by some of you people, nice.
I have heard people are being denied medical treatment if they have no gotten the shots, what kind of world do we live in? That mentality is just plain evil.

I bring this stuff up to you guys because I care about all humans. Pay attention

Bruce, People have completely lost their minds over this. I have a friend who actually thinks it would be acceptable to turn someone away from an emergency room if they’re not vaccinated. My jaw hit the floor on that one.
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PaulS

02-05-2022, 10:26 AM

The words “classy” and “smarmy” come to mind
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Figured you would point out a typo.

The Dad Fisherman

02-05-2022, 10:28 AM

Figured you would point out a typo.

I’m not the one applying the grease paint pretty heavy today.

Quick with edit today too…..

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PaulS

02-05-2022, 10:29 AM

but you’re not angry.

you’re right, not many of us can contribute information as useful and absolutely crucial as the Missouri state legislature having members being impolite to each other. i mean, how can we function without that information?

let’s all step aside and make room for you.

call him a retard next, to show us how angry everyone is except you.
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I only use that word to point out the hypocrisy of all the Rs who laughed at Trump mocking a handicapped reporter. I guess I have the handicapped back while the Rs have no problem w/Trump mocking the guy.

PaulS

02-05-2022, 10:31 AM

I’m not the one applying the grease paint pretty heavy today.
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But you never say ANYTHING constructive other to point out typos or to mock certain people's posts.

So you don't add anything worthwhile.

The Dad Fisherman

02-05-2022, 10:57 AM

But you never say ANYTHING constructive other to point out typos or to mock certain people's posts.

So you don't add anything worthwhile.

I know, because this forum is just the epitome of rational conversation and constructive dialog :rolleyes:
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Jim in CT

02-05-2022, 10:59 AM

I only use that word to point out the hypocrisy of all the Rs who laughed at Trump mocking a handicapped reporter. I guess I have the handicapped back while the Rs have no problem w/Trump mocking the guy.

trump is known for
making fun of people’s appearance, which is awful.

however, and you know this, there’s video tape of trump over the years, using the same exact physical
gestures to make fun of other people ( not handicapped) who were critical of him. it’s on tape. so it’s likely that he had no idea the guy is special needs, and rather that’s just Trumps. stupid, juvenile way to make fun of everyone who criticizes him.

but the left ignores that.

using the word retard, is pretty disgusting. and very revealing. have fun being in the small group of people who don’t see anything wrong with it.
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scottw

02-05-2022, 10:59 AM

I know, because this forum is just the epitome of rational conversation and constructive dialog :rolleyes:
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just stay outta my lane...I'm warning you! :laughs:

PaulS

02-05-2022, 11:03 AM

trump is known for
making fun of people’s appearance, which is awful.

however, and you know this, there’s video tape of trump over the years, using the same exact physical
gestures to make fun of other people ( not handicapped) who were critical of him. it’s on tape. so it’s likely that he had no idea the guy is special needs, and rather that’s just Trumps. stupid, juvenile way to make fun of everyone who criticizes him.

but the left ignores that.

using the word retard, is pretty disgusting. and very revealing. have fun being in the small group of people who don’t see anything wrong with it.
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Give me a break on Trump. Everyone knows he was mocking the handicapped. That was a well known mock to represent the handicap the reporter had and had nothing to do with the reporters appearance.

I didn't say there was anything wrong with it. I save it for the #^&#^&#^&#^&e hole you helped create here with your constant insults. Some of the things you have said here are unbelievable. But it is ok when you do it.

Did you notice how the whole tone of this forum changed when you ran away for 6 months?

scottw

02-05-2022, 11:04 AM

But you never say ANYTHING constructive other to point out typos or to mock certain people's posts.

So you don't add anything worthwhile.

don't wear your skinny jeans to Missouri...they will mock you :bl:

Jim in CT

02-05-2022, 11:10 AM

Bruce, People have completely lost their minds over this. I have a friend who actually thinks it would be acceptable to turn someone away from an emergency room if they’re not vaccinated. My jaw hit the floor on that one.
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i’d be genuinely interested to hear your take on this.

i have a sister in law,,my brothers wife. for whatever reason, her immune system is vulnerable to covid.

She caught covid early on, head it bad, was in the hospital for 8 days. Not long after, they tested her for antibodies, she had none. Not a good sign.

She got her first vaccine dose, got very very sick, spent two days in the hospital. Again, they tested her after, she had no antibodies. Her body just doesn’t like to keep the antibodies. she was an ER nurse at Yale, she had to retire, was too dangerous, she was too vulnerable to covid and too likely to have a severe case if infected.

Couple of months ago, she caught covid again. They wanted her to get on a course of monoclonal antibodies, but none were available. Their entire stock was being dispensed to a couple dozen patients who were also very sick, and every single one of them was unvaccinated

She was again hospitalized for about a week, until monoclonal
antibodies were available. As soon a she’s started that treatment, she recovered very very quickly.

Now, if those patients all had gotten the vaccine, it’s virtually certain that some of them would not have required hospitalization, therefore there’d have been monoclonal antibodies available for my sister in law. she could have died while
waiting.

i would never ever say the unvaccinated don’t deserve medical treatment. But when i hear the unvaccinated say “ my choice is none of your business”, well, i think of my sister in law, and it’s pretty certain that their choice had a serious and negative impact on her.

anyway, you know that i consider you one of the fair and middle of the road guys here. i’d be curious to know what you think, and don’t worry about disagreeing with me, i have thick skin and i initiated this.
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The Dad Fisherman

02-05-2022, 11:21 AM

i’d be genuinely interested to hear your take on this.

i have a sister in law,,my brothers wife. for whatever reason, her immune system is vulnerable to covid.

She caught covid early on, head it bad, was in the hospital for 8 days. Not long after, they tested her for antibodies, she had none. Not a good sign.

She got her first vaccine dose, got very very sick, spent two days in the hospital. Again, they tested her after, she had no antibodies. Her body just doesn’t like to keep the antibodies. she was an ER nurse at Yale, she had to retire, was too dangerous, she was too vulnerable to covid and too likely to have a severe case if infected.

Couple of months ago, she caught covid again. They wanted her to get on a course of monoclonal antibodies, but none were available. Their entire stock was being dispensed to a couple dozen patients who were also very sick, and every single one of them was unvaccinated

She was again hospitalized for about a week, until monoclonal
antibodies were available. As soon a she’s started that treatment, she recovered very very quickly.

Now, if those patients all had gotten the vaccine, it’s virtually certain that some of them would not have required hospitalization, therefore there’d have been monoclonal antibodies available for my sister in law. she could have died while
waiting.

i would never ever say the unvaccinated don’t deserve medical treatment. But when i hear the unvaccinated say “ my choice is none of your business”, well, i think of my sister in law, and it’s pretty certain that their choice had a serious and negative impact on her.

anyway, you know that i consider you one of the fair and middle of the road guys here. i’d be curious to know what you think, and don’t worry about disagreeing with me, i have thick skin and i initiated this.
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I would say the issue is that they need to work on increasing the availability of monoclonal antibodies.

My biggest concern on my buddy’s take is that I don’t want people making a judgement call, at the point of emergency, on whether you deserve to have your life saved because of your vaccine status.

You save their life, period, that’s your job in the ER. After that, then issues can be addressed.

The guy that can’t get the heart transplant because of his refusal to get vaccinated, I feel bad for him and his family, but it’s a stupid stand to take. There are all kinds of medical requirements for organ transplants, if being vaccinated is one of them, so be it.
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Jim in CT

02-05-2022, 11:26 AM

I would say the issue is that they need to work on increasing the availability of monoclonal antibodies.

My biggest concern on my buddy’s take is that I don’t want people making a judgement call, at the point of emergency, on whether you deserve to have your life saved because of your vaccine status.

You save their life, period, that’s your job in the ER. After that, then issues can be addressed.

The guy that can’t get the heart transplant because of his refusal to get vaccinated, I feel bad for him and his family, but it’s a stupid stand to take. There are all kinds of medical requirements for organ transplants, if being vaccinated is one of them, so be it.
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absolutely they need to make them
more available.

and i agree with you about the guy who needs the trans a t but won’t get vaccinated. stupid.

thanks.
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The Dad Fisherman

02-05-2022, 11:31 AM

absolutely they need to make them
more available.

and i agree with you about the guy who needs the trans a t but won’t get vaccinated. stupid.

thanks.
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When you get a chance, can you leave me a review, so Paul knows I added something to the conversation :hihi:
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Jim in CT

02-05-2022, 11:39 AM

When you get a chance, can you leave me a review, so Paul knows I added something to the conversation :hihi:
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i’ll put it on yelp.
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PaulS

02-05-2022, 11:56 AM

When you get a chance, can you leave me a review, so Paul knows I added something to the conversation :hihi:
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👍
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Slipknot

02-06-2022, 02:14 PM

keep doing it and ignore the flak.

the entire media ignored John’s Hopkins study that lockdowns were useless, and they don’t want to talk about natural immunity.
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correct Jim, and now the results show nothing gained from lockdowns, I do understand in the beginning 2 weeks were needed to keep hospitals from being inundated but we got past that. There should be no need to mandate vaccines to the point of people having to make a choice between earning a living wage or to risk the cure being worse than the disease. There are plenty of examples of people who got way sicker or died from getting the vaccines, if people like some on this site deny that then it is quite obvious who they listen to. How can anyone question why someone chooses not to get an experimental vaccine and not understand their trepidation?

as far as ignoring the flak, only way I see certain flak is when you quote him. been years since I listen to the spew from someone of that caliber ;) pun intended

Slipknot

02-06-2022, 02:25 PM

Got Stripers

02-06-2022, 03:14 PM

correct Jim, and now the results show nothing gained from lockdowns, I do understand in the beginning 2 weeks were needed to keep hospitals from being inundated but we got past that. There should be no need to mandate vaccines to the point of people having to make a choice between earning a living wage or to risk the cure being worse than the disease. There are plenty of examples of people who got way sicker or died from getting the vaccines, if people like some on this site deny that then it is quite obvious who they listen to. How can anyone question why someone chooses not to get an experimental vaccine and not understand their trepidation?

as far as ignoring the flak, only way I see certain flak is when you quote him. been years since I listen to the spew from someone of that caliber ;) pun intended

Really where do you get your facts? The vaccine is FDA approved, it’s far from some experimental drug and “plenty” of examples of people getting really sick and dying, the percentage of serious health issues or deaths from the vaccine is minuscule when you factor in the millions who have been vaccinated. Over 900,000 dead and that’s with the high vaccination numbers we have now, records indicate the unvaccinated are ten times likely to die of Covid. If we didn’t have the ability to come up with this vaccine, what death toll are you comfortable with to get to that herd immunity, would that be 1-2 million and how many much more deadly variants might have developed along the way?

scottw

02-06-2022, 03:49 PM

Really where do you get your facts? The vaccine is FDA approved

"One of the most significant ways the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates drug safety is through recalls. When an approved drug is later found to have significant health risks or potential for harm, the FDA is obligated to take action to protect public health. "

Jim in CT

02-06-2022, 03:56 PM

"One of the most significant ways the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates drug safety is through recalls. When an approved drug is later found to have significant health risks or potential for harm, the FDA is obligated to take action to protect public health. "

where do you get your facts?
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scottw

02-06-2022, 03:57 PM

records indicate the unvaccinated are ten times likely to die of Covid.

this is a misleading statement...

Got Stripers

02-06-2022, 04:26 PM

"One of the most significant ways the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) regulates drug safety is through recalls. When an approved drug is later found to have significant health risks or potential for harm, the FDA is obligated to take action to protect public health. "

Thanks #^&#^&#^&#^& Tracy, are you in the loop are they recalling the vaccine, please impress us once more.
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Got Stripers

02-06-2022, 04:30 PM

Rewind, no vaccine anywhere, no lockdown in any country and you have the makings of a great sci-fi movie.
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Jim in CT

02-06-2022, 04:33 PM

Rewind, no vaccine anywhere, no lockdown in any country and you have the makings of a great sci-fi movie.
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johns hopkins says the lockdowns didn’t do much. but you know better then the scientists at john’s hopkins.
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wdmso

02-06-2022, 05:21 PM

johns hopkins says the lockdowns didn’t do much. but you know better then the scientists at john’s hopkins.
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1 study ! Was it peer reviewed? and as if on cue the conspiracy hats go on .. Typical nonsense you people are like a drowning victim you latch on to what you think will safe you

It’s sad but comical
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Jim in CT

02-06-2022, 07:48 PM

1 study ! Was it peer reviewed? and as if on cue the conspiracy hats go on .. Typical nonsense you people are like a drowning victim you latch on to what you think will safe you

It’s sad but comical
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one study by john’s hopkins, which all the places you get your news from, won’t touch.z

you make up a quote, put it in quotes, claim it’s from “the base”. and the clown who does that, can pooh pooh a study by john’s hopkins university. more accurately i guess,,work by some folks at the university, not official university policy.

wdmso, if lockdowns worked, then states that kicked down would have the lowest death rates. they don’t.

explain that.

here’s a free hint, you can’t explain it away with fabricating a fake quote.

Florida has the nations second-highest elderly population, and they didn’t lock down as severely as many states. Why isn’t their death toll the highest in the nation by far? it’s a disease that targets the elderly.
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Pete F.

02-07-2022, 05:58 AM

Jim in CT

02-07-2022, 06:23 AM

Vermont did lock down, has an elderly population that’s within one percent of Floriduh’s and has one of the lowest Covid death rates and is recovering very well economically.

More people have died from Covid in Floriduh than any states other than California and Texas

Great Job DeathSantis
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i think i NY is a slightly more apples to apples comparison of size and population?

We all know why you picked VT.

VT also has school
choice. You support that?
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Pete F.

02-07-2022, 06:30 AM

i think i NY is a slightly more apples to apples comparison of size and population?

We all know why you picked VT.

VT also has school
choice. You support that?
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Floriduh has been doing worse than NYS for a long time

No
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RIROCKHOUND

02-07-2022, 06:50 AM

johns hopkins says the lockdowns didn’t do much. but you know better then the scientists at john’s hopkins.
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So... One faculty was from John Hopkins, that doesn't mean 'John Hopkins Says'. Also, note the authors were economists, not public health professionals, epidemiologists, virologists etc... That doesn't invalidate it but I would have liked to see a more diverse background of authors on a meta analysis of this type...

So, then why is this one (flawed) meta analysis is making the rounds today as the proof that lock downs didn't work....

A "Meta Analysis" that used 34 studies (out of the thousands that have been done) examining these approaches to the mandates.

A meta analysis that limited studies so they were only by economists, political scientists AND NOT epidemiologists, virologists and other public health backgrounds.

A meta analysis that lumped 'lock downs' to include almost any mandate (masking, capacity limits, restaurants closing early etc..) and also not 'when' these 'lock downs' were implemented

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

Perhaps to get the answer the study authors wanted?

And perhaps it is making the rounds this week because of confirmation bias?

scottw

02-07-2022, 07:15 AM

More people have died from Covid in Floriduh than any states other than California and Texas

Great Job DeathSantis

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worldometer current

New York is 6th in deaths per million pop.
Florida is 18th

total deaths

California 81.428
Texas 81.028
New York 66,157
Florida 66,007

you are such a dishonest clown...what is your nickname for the death capitol governor of California?

scottw

02-07-2022, 07:18 AM

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

probably like calling every death a covid death even if someone died from something else but happened to have covid

Jim in CT

02-07-2022, 08:42 AM

So... One faculty was from John Hopkins, that doesn't mean 'John Hopkins Says'. Also, note the authors were economists, not public health professionals, epidemiologists, virologists etc... That doesn't invalidate it but I would have liked to see a more diverse background of authors on a meta analysis of this type...

So, then why is this one (flawed) meta analysis is making the rounds today as the proof that lock downs didn't work....

A "Meta Analysis" that used 34 studies (out of the thousands that have been done) examining these approaches to the mandates.

A meta analysis that limited studies so they were only by economists, political scientists AND NOT epidemiologists, virologists and other public health backgrounds.

A meta analysis that lumped 'lock downs' to include almost any mandate (masking, capacity limits, restaurants closing early etc..) and also not 'when' these 'lock downs' were implemented

Now why would these authors of this meta analysis (and yes, I keep restating the type of study for a reason) limit it to those few studies and lump everything together as a 'lock down'...

Perhaps to get the answer the study authors wanted?

And perhaps it is making the rounds this week because of confirmation bias?

all possibilities.

but again, if lockdowns were the answer, i’d think we’d see lower death rates in states with strictest lockdowns. are we seeing that with any consistency?

Everyone ( and i do it to, but not constantly) only pays attention when they see what they want to see.

if we should only be listening to epidemiologists ( which makes sense) please explain why teachers unions are wielding so
much influence in all this?

it’s been a largely political
exercise from day one, that applies to both sides.

if you want to say policy should
be formulated by epidemiologists, fine. But when the left takes its marching orders from teachers unions in terms of school policies, you sort of surrender your ability to make that argument, don’t you? in terms of school policy, we’ve ignored the science in return for appeasing teachers unions, and there’s no way you can make that wrong. The data is clear that schools arent transmission hot spots. i have no idea why that is, but it’s clearly the case. Yet we keep schools closed when teachers unions snap their fingers.

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scottw

02-07-2022, 08:52 AM

but again, if lockdowns were the answer, i’d think we’d see lower death rates in states with strictest lockdowns. are we seeing that with any consistency?

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I don't think we will ever be able to quantify over time the number of deaths that were a side effect of covid lockdowns from depression, isolation, delayed treatment/procedures, increased poor health habits which we know are/were all rampant... lack of early intervention and treatment also a big contributor

they knew very early on who were the most vulnerable, that is still the case....

it was all very political, still is...

I wonder if the democrats should try to ban "anti-vaxxers" from voting...that might work

Jim in CT

02-07-2022, 09:02 AM

I don't think we will ever be able to quantify over time the number of deaths that were a side effect of covid lockdowns from depression, isolation, delayed treatment/procedures, increased poor health habits which we know are/were all rampant... lack of early intervention and treatment also a big contributor

they knew very early on who were the most vulnerable, that is still the case....

it was all very political, still is...

I wonder if the democrats should try to ban "anti-vaxxers" from voting...that might work

every life saved by a lockdown, needs to be weighed against the lives lost, and what must be staggering damage done to so many.

for whatever reason, the lefties here act like the lockdowns are their children. they can’t discuss any possible downside of lockdowns. the denial is really something. it’ll get more intense as we get closer to the midterms, if polling stays where it is, and that’s a big if.
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scottw

02-07-2022, 09:08 AM

for whatever reason, the lefties here act like the lockdowns are their children.

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they also think governors who institute lockdowns and mandates of all kinds are not authoritarians but the governors who repeal lockdowns and mandates of all kinds ARE authoritarians...

so that's kinda what we're dealing with

Jim in CT

02-07-2022, 09:14 AM

they also think governors who institute lockdowns and mandates of all kinds are not authoritarians but the governors who repeal lockdowns and mandates of all kinds ARE authoritarians...

so that's kinda what we're dealing with

as i said, that’s some impressive denial. you’re right, of course, they have it exactly backwards. trump displayed some totalitarian inclinations after the election loss for sure. but it didn’t work and almost nobody supports whet he tried to do. god i hope he doesn’t run again. but in the meantime, literally the only card they can play is that trump “is” the GOP. he’s the single
most influential person for sure, but a lot of republicans don’t like him.

if the polls stay where they are ( probably not but who knows) watch how unhinged they get as we get closer to november.
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PaulS

02-07-2022, 09:14 AM

Jim in CT

02-07-2022, 09:15 AM

they also think governors who institute lockdowns and mandates of all kinds are not authoritarians but the governors who repeal lockdowns and mandates of all kinds ARE authoritarians...

so that's kinda what we're dealing with

especially when there are endless examples of the democrat leaders happily violating the mandates they demand the rest of us live by.
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scottw

02-07-2022, 09:28 AM

Lots of criticisms of the study are out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/02/06/did-so-called-johns-hopkins-study-really-show-lockdowns-were-ineffective-against-covid-19/?sh=2ae66efd1225

sounds like unbiased commentary...

"Have you seen the so-called “Johns Hopkins study” that’s been making the social media and Bill Maher rounds lately? "

hope Rogan doesn't mention it...

Pete F.

02-07-2022, 04:17 PM

Looks like Democrats might be doing something that works

Early in the pandemic, as COVID-19 hit urban centers – which tend to vote Democratic – Biden counties were the ones facing higher death rates. Notably, COVID-19 vaccines became available starting in December 2020, and a crossover in death rates occurred in early 2021, with the gap widening in ensuing months.

A similar but smaller trend exists when examining COVID-19 case data. Counties won by Biden have a rate of 21,657 cases per 100,000 people, compared with a rate of 23,022 cases per 100,000 for Trump counties – about a 6% increase. That gap roughly triples to 18% among counties where the candidate won by a margin of more than 50 percentage points.
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wdmso

02-07-2022, 04:25 PM

wdmso

02-07-2022, 04:36 PM

Lots of criticisms of the study are out there.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2022/02/06/did-so-called-johns-hopkins-study-really-show-lockdowns-were-ineffective-against-covid-19/?sh=2ae66efd1225

What to know about Glenn Youngkin’s newest COVID-19 adviser
The governor-elect appointed Dr. Marty Makary, a regular Fox News commentator, to chair his new medical advisory team

kowtowing to the Base Classic

scottw

02-08-2022, 05:08 AM

What to know about Glenn Youngkin’s newest COVID-19 adviser
The governor-elect appointed Dr. Marty Makary, a regular Fox News commentator, to chair his new medical advisory team

kowtowing to the Base Classic

so you are saying he appointed an accomplished doctor as a medical advisor?

The Dad Fisherman

02-08-2022, 05:59 AM

so you are saying he appointed an accomplished doctor as a medical advisor?

he's appeared on Fox News, so obviously he's a Nazi Sympathizer :rolleyes:

Dr. Marty Makary is a surgeon and public policy researcher at Johns Hopkins University. He writes for The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal and is the author of two New York Times bestselling books, Unaccountable and The Price We Pay. Dr. Makary served in leadership at the World Health Organization Patient Safety Program and has been elected to the National Academy of Medicine.

Clinically, Dr. Makary is the chief of Islet Transplant Surgery at Johns Hopkins. He is the recipient of the Nobility in Science Award from the National Pancreas Foundation and has been a visiting professor at over 25 medical schools. He has published over 250 peer-reviewed scientific articles and has served as on several editorial boards.

Dr. Makary is the recipient of the 2020 Business Book of the Year Award by the Association of Business Journalists for his most recent book, The Price We Pay. It has been described by Don Berwick as “a deep dive into the real issues driving up the price of health care” and by Steve Forbes as “A must-read for every American”.

Dr. Makary serves as a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and a professor, by courtesy, at the Johns Hopkins Carey Business School. His current research focuses on the underlying causes of disease, public policy, health care costs, and relationship-based medicine.

Education: Bucknell University, Harvard University, Thomas Jefferson University

Jim in CT

02-08-2022, 06:20 AM

he's appeared on Fox News, so obviously he's a Nazi Sympathizer :rolleyes:

Dr. Marty Makary is a surgeon and public policy researcher at Johns Hopkins University. He writes for The Washington Post and The Wall Street Journal and is the author of two New York Times bestselling books, Unaccountable and The Price We Pay. Dr. Makary served in leadership at the World Health Organization Patient Safety Program and has been elected to the National Academy of Medicine.

Clinically, Dr. Makary is the chief of Islet Transplant Surgery at Johns Hopkins. He is the recipient of the Nobility in Science Award from the National Pancreas Foundation and has been a visiting professor at over 25 medical schools. He has published over 250 peer-reviewed scientific articles and has served as on several editorial boards.

Dr. Makary is the recipient of the 2020 Business Book of the Year Award by the Association of Business Journalists for his most recent book, The Price We Pay. It has been described by Don Berwick as “a deep dive into the real issues driving up the price of health care” and by Steve Forbes as “A must-read for every American”.

Dr. Makary serves as a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and a professor, by courtesy, at the Johns Hopkins Carey Business School. His current research focuses on the underlying causes of disease, public policy, health care costs, and relationship-based medicine.

Education: Bucknell University, Harvard University, Thomas Jefferson University

but he has been on Foxnews! who cares that he’s an expert in causes of disease and public health policy?
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scottw

02-08-2022, 06:54 AM

but he has been on Foxnews! who cares that he’s an expert in causes of disease and public health policy?
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has Fauci been on MSNBC? :jester:

Jim in CT

02-08-2022, 07:31 AM

has Fauci been on MSNBC? :jester:

Never, nor on CNN. Nor has Faucci ever flip flopped or been wrong. nor has he ever lied to congress about funding gain of research at the Wuhan lab. Nope, not him.

You know, in Faucci's home office, he has a beautiful big desk where he works. Over the desk on the wall, is a massive oil painting of...himself. That's not even a little bit narcissistic. I can hear Faucci singing that Joe Cocker song, "I am so beautiful.....to me....I'm everything I ever hoped for...I'm everything I need..."

wdmso

02-20-2022, 04:32 PM

Eric Trump slams COVID-19 vaccine as ‘stripping freedoms’

scottw

03-09-2022, 07:49 AM

WOW...

"She did not die from COVID. We all know that’s not true," the source said.

A CPS parent who asked to remain anonymous for fear of retribution told Chicago City Wire that CTU should be ashamed for misrepresenting the mothers' deaths.

"My God, the burden they placed on those young children who lost their mothers. Telling them basically, you killed your mothers by going to school," the parent said. "Shame on them! This proves they’ll stop at nothing to get what they want."

https://chicagocitywire.com/stories/621340457-cook-county-medical-examiner-cps-parent-who-union-said-caught-covid-19-from-student-and-died-actually-drank-herself-to-death

Pete F.

03-09-2022, 11:51 AM

Hmmm

September 28, 2021

Chicago’s top doctor asked for patience Tuesday while city officials investigate the death of a Chicago Public Schools mother whose daughter had been exposed to COVID-19 at her elementary school.

Dr. Allison Arwady, commissioner at the Chicago Department of Public Health, said her staff found no breaks in protocols at Jensen Elementary on the West Side, where Shenitha “Angel” Curry’s daughter attends 5th grade.

Curry, who was unvaccinated and had underlying medical conditions, passed away Thursday after a battle with COVID-19, her family said. Curry’s daughter was one of 205 students — more than half the student body at Jensen — directed to quarantine this month because of exposure to eight confirmed virus cases.

Before she died, Curry criticized CPS’ COVID-19 protocols in a Facebook post, and her sister said this week that Curry was sure her illness stemmed from the school.

CPS and the CDPH invited reporters to a media conference Tuesday to discuss the case, at the start of which Arwady said “my main goal here is to make it clear that there are a lot of things about this situation that are still under investigation.

“There are a lot of statements being made that we have not been able to verify at this time,” Arwady said.

“I would ask, please, as members of the media, to not be reporting things that are not proven facts. Because I think we’re seeing a lot of misinformation, frankly.”

scottw

03-09-2022, 12:31 PM

misinformation

I don't believe anyone who uses the word "misinformation"...

The Dad Fisherman

03-09-2022, 02:17 PM