And we all know why but But its Bidens fault


The KFF poll, conducted December 15 to 20 among 1,065 U.S. adults, found 87% of unvaccinated respondents say news about the omicron variant makes them no more likely to get vaccinated, while 12% say it makes them more likely.

Among vaccinated respondents, 54% said omicron makes them more likely to get a booster shot.

While 49% of all adults say they’re now at least somewhat worried they’ll get “seriously sick from the coronavirus”—up from 30% in November—only 42% of the unvaccinated say they’re concerned, versus 52% of vaccinated respondents.:btu:

perhaps we should round them up and hold them down and inject them against their will.....

wdmso, i’m not disputing you, just curious, do you have a link to data showing that 98% of deaths are among unvaccinated? i can’t find anything that drastic.

got my booster yesterday.

unfortunately for biden, covid deaths are up on his watch, and you wouldn’t expect that because we had no vaccine for
most of the first year, and also because you’d expect the sickest people to die first. over time, we should be left with a healthier population.

i’m not saying the increased deaths are his fault. But it happened in his watch, and he’ll get some blame. George Bush had nothing to do with the subprime mortgage crisis, but it imploded on his watch, and everyone in the left blamed him for political gain.

That’s how it goes. Politics is a contact sport, as they say. There’s all kinds of time for Biden to turn it around. But covid ( not really his fault) and inflation ( somewhat his fault as he printed trillions of dollars) are just clobbering him, and he doesn’t really have the charisma to soothe peoples concerns.
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perhaps we should round them up and hold them down and inject them against their will.....

Why it’s not it’s as bad as the treatment they wanted to give to People who took a knee during the National Anthem .. and that wouldn’t kill anyone. LOL

Freedom to conservatives only ever apply to their choices
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wdmso, i’m not disputing you, just curious, do you have a link to data showing that 98% of deaths are among unvaccinated? i can’t find anything that drastic.

got my booster yesterday.

unfortunately for biden, covid deaths are up on his watch, and you wouldn’t expect that because we had no vaccine for
most of the first year, and also because you’d expect the sickest people to die first. over time, we should be left with a healthier population.

i’m not saying the increased deaths are his fault. But it happened in his watch, and he’ll get some blame. George Bush had nothing to do with the subprime mortgage crisis, but it imploded on his watch, and everyone in the left blamed him for political gain.

That’s how it goes. Politics is a contact sport, as they say. There’s all kinds of time for Biden to turn it around. But covid ( not really his fault) and inflation ( somewhat his fault as he printed trillions of dollars) are just clobbering him, and he doesn’t really have the charisma to soothe peoples concerns.
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Funny 1st hit on my search?

https://medicalpartnership.usg.edu/covid-19-staggering-statistic-98-to-99-of-americans-dying-are-unvaccinated/

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/06/24/99-of-people-killed-by-covid-last-month-were-unvaccinated-analysis-finds/

This was based on 1 month

Like I said Americans want instant results with out doing the work ..

But let’s be honest it’s hard to row a boat to safety when one side reuses to use an oar , they that same side is complaining we aren’t getting anywhere, than blame the Captain ?
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Funny 1st hit on my search?

https://medicalpartnership.usg.edu/covid-19-staggering-statistic-98-to-99-of-americans-dying-are-unvaccinated/

https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187


https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/06/24/99-of-people-killed-by-covid-last-month-were-unvaccinated-analysis-finds/

This was based on 1 month

Like I said Americans want instant results with out doing the work ..

But let’s be honest it’s hard to row a boat to safety when one side reuses to use an oar , they that same side is complaining we aren’t getting anywhere, than blame the Captain ?
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i did a search too and saw about 75% of deaths were among unvaccinated. i wasn’t doubting you.
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blacks have low vaccination rates. which side are they on?

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perhaps we should round them up and hold them down and inject them against their will.....




Why it’s not it’s as bad as the treatment they wanted to give to People who took a knee during the National Anthem ..


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wtf?

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which side are they on?

some interesting stuff in here....

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-americans-get-flu-shots-vaccine-cdc/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=ND-Healthcare&gclid=Cj0KCQiAk4aOBhCTARIsAFWFP9GhX8MWUw7akpd5T3ZV 5rxZ9YkWSsNpn8F2OJCOPHoeG4MCxQEctO8aArWWEALw_wcB

blacks have low vaccination rates. which side are they on?

You love to beat that drum...
The rate is closing for the race disparity in vaccinations, FWIW.

From KFF.org today.
Racial disparities in vaccination rates have narrowed over time and have nearly closed for Hispanic people. Between November 29 and December 13, vaccination rates increased by 1.0 percentage points for Black people (from 50.3% to 51.3%), by 1.1 percentage points for Hispanic people (from 55.3% to 56.4%), and by 1.2 percentage points for Asian people (from 75.3% to 76.5%). In contrast, they remained roughly stable for White people (at 58%). Over the course of the vaccination rollout, differences between vaccination rates for Black, Hispanic, and White people have narrowed, and the gap between rates for White and Hispanic people has nearly closed. Between late April 2021, when most adults became eligible for vaccines across states, and December 13, 2021, the gap in vaccination rates between White and Black people fell from 14 percentage points (38% vs. 24%) to 7 percentage points (58% vs. 51%) while the difference between White and Hispanic vaccination rates decreased from 13 percentage points (38% vs. 25%) to two percentage points (58% vs. 56%)."

You love to beat that drum...
The rate is closing for the race disparity in vaccinations, FWIW.

From KFF.org today.
Racial disparities in vaccination rates have narrowed over time and have nearly closed for Hispanic people. Between November 29 and December 13, vaccination rates increased by 1.0 percentage points for Black people (from 50.3% to 51.3%), by 1.1 percentage points for Hispanic people (from 55.3% to 56.4%), and by 1.2 percentage points for Asian people (from 75.3% to 76.5%). In contrast, they remained roughly stable for White people (at 58%). Over the course of the vaccination rollout, differences between vaccination rates for Black, Hispanic, and White people have narrowed, and the gap between rates for White and Hispanic people has nearly closed. Between late April 2021, when most adults became eligible for vaccines across states, and December 13, 2021, the gap in vaccination rates between White and Black people fell from 14 percentage points (38% vs. 24%) to 7 percentage points (58% vs. 51%) while the difference between White and Hispanic vaccination rates decreased from 13 percentage points (38% vs. 25%) to two percentage points (58% vs. 56%)."

i don’t love to beat it, as i wish everyone was vaccinated.

but if you’re going to bash republicans for having low vaccination rates ( which is fair), you should acknowledge other demographics that also have low vaccination rates. unless all you really care about, is bashing republicans. which is obviously all that they care about. and maybe you’re in that group too, i didn’t use to think so.

“the rate is closing for race disparity.”

fine. but when that disparity was at its peak, none of the lefties here attacked blacks for having low rates, they only attacked republicans. you were among those who wouldn’t comment on it, even when that disparity was at its peak. i’m sure you did so for political
convenience. if not, what other reason is there?

so unless unvaccinated republicans pose a higher risk than unvaccinated blacks, it appears that the lefty outrage over the unvaccinated is selective and purely politically motivated, which necessarily means the outrage is fake.

I think everyone should get vaccinated. I think all of the unvaccinated ( not just those who vote differently than i do) are being selfish.l and stupid.

I really wish just one of you would
tell us what you’re afraid would happen, exactly, if you could be mildly critical of your own side when it’s warranted? Almost none of you can do it. It’s fascinating.
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it's amazing the obsession to classify everyone by political persuasion and color...I guess it serves a purpose

it will be interesting when they discover that the vaccine has "unintended" consequences and everyone tries to back away from it...probably blame trump for rushing a dangerous vaccine

How many are vaccinated & boost shots and are dying of blood clots 🤔
Speaking from experience.
Both parents 2 shots and booster shot.
Week after booster shot mother is in ICU with blockages.
A few more stays in the hospital and being told there’s nothing that can be done she’s send home with hospice & lots of morphine that my sister gives to her.
Thought yesterday was the day as it was a bad one but will be any day now.
But on the bright side, as of next month government sends out 1 les SS check & Medicare covers 1 less drain on their system.
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it's amazing the obsession to classify everyone by political persuasion and color...I guess it serves a purpose

it will be interesting when they discover that the vaccine has "unintended" consequences and everyone tries to back away from it...probably blame trump for rushing a dangerous vaccine

A conservatives favored outcome
when they discover that the vaccine has "unintended" consequences

Classic

PS when the Majority of the unvaccinated belong to a political persuasion and color..

How is that a lie or an obsession
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NATURAL SELECTION ;)

How many are vaccinated & boost shots and are dying of blood clots 🤔
Speaking from experience.
Both parents 2 shots and booster shot.
Week after booster shot mother is in ICU with blockages.
A few more stays in the hospital and being told there’s nothing that can be done she’s send home with hospice & lots of morphine that my sister gives to her.
Thought yesterday was the day as it was a bad one but will be any day now.
But on the bright side, as of next month government sends out 1 les SS check & Medicare covers 1 less drain on their system.
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Ronnie, please accept my thoughts and prayers for your mom and the rest of your family.
But from your post, it does not appear that she had the J&J vaccine, as that is the one identified with causing 54 cases of blood clots. Patients typically developed symptoms nine days after vaccination and were hospitalized five days after they developed symptoms, according to the CDC. The overwhelming majority of patients were women, 37 total, and the median age was 44.
Again, I am truly sorry, but not sure of your direct cause and effect being on the vaccine.

NATURAL SELECTION ;)

Pretty Much
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NATURAL SELECTION

Pretty Much
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I've seen some people suggest, mock that the unvaccinated that end up sick or dying from covid is the "darwin's theory" in action..."natural selection" and on and on...these are the evolutionist typically...problem is Darwin's theory does not take into account vaccination....in natural selection and in nature those that are weak, unhealthy, vulnerable to a virus or pandemic would die...so if the evolutionists really believe in natural selection and evolution...we probably shouldn't vaccinate and just let nature take it' s natural course for the good of the species

we are suffering from overpopulation anyway...right?

we currently vaccinate unhealthy populations to allow them them survive and continue their unhealthy lifestyles and also demand that the healthy portion of the population be vaccinated(not knowing the possible long term effects) to protect the sick, unhealthy, which makes sense from a compassion standpoint but makes no sense from an evolution/natural selection/survival of the fittest/we are all just highly evolved monkeys standpoint


and before wayne loses his mind and starts cutting pasting a bunch of crap, I'm vaccinated, I think if you are at risk, unhealthy you should definitely get vaccinated/boosted.. I just think it's funny that this gets thrown around as though the unvaccinated are the stupid ones...the unhealthy, are in fact, the stupid ones(vaccinated or unvaccinated) because post covid, whenever that is...the healthy will still be healthy(unless there are unintended consequences from the jabs) and the unhealthy will still be ticking time bombs

A conservatives favored outcome
when they discover that the vaccine has "unintended" consequences


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I'm vaccinated, and most of the people I know are vaccinated...so no, this would not be a favored outcome...

From NOV.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis also touted his state’s recent COVID-19 data during an Oct. 29 interview on Fox News’ “Ingraham Angle.” Host Laura Ingraham introduced DeSantis by saying, “Florida is one of the big COVID success stories that the media would prefer to ignore altogether. Now, the Sunshine State now has one of the lowest daily case and death rates out there.”

DeSantis replied: “I guess Florida is no longer part of the United States. They just pretend like we don’t exist.” He also said, “Now that we’re in a situation we have very low numbers, you don’t hear a peep.”

12\24. Florida breaks daily coronavirus cases record again with 32,580
Cumualative residents' infections rise to 3,897,138

This is what happens when you use Covid to get votes on National TV on shows with the misinformation queen Laura Ingraham. Ron’s is correct you won’t hear a peep that infections are at an all time high in Fla on her show

I was just in FLA the 1st week in December and missed the spike I can see why omicron which is as contagious as measles is booming unless your in the airport or Disney or in a Uber no one is wearing masks .. I hope it just caused less severe illness, for everyone vax or not ..

The statewide positivity rate rose to 13.8 percent for the week, up from 5.3 percent the week prior. That’s crazy

I'm vaccinated, and most of the people I know are vaccinated...so no, this would not be a favored outcome...

Glad to hear, But it’s Hard to get that impression

it will be interesting when they discover that the vaccine has "unintended" consequences and everyone tries to back away from it...probably blame trump for rushing a dangerous vaccine


unintended" consequences and claiming it’s a rushed vaccine is one of the top reasons for unvaccinated Republicans. With Nearly 40% of Republicans are still hesitant about getting the Covid-19 vaccine or refuse to get it. Then throw in counties with the highest support for former President Donald Trump in the 2020 presidential election were 44% more likely to be vaccine hesitant, King says. Those living in a state with a Republican governor were 34% more likely to be hesitant than people living in a state with a Democratic governor.

And we all know what party made it a partisan issue and still are today

new wave of coronavirus misinformation. Some conservatives immediately began circulating conspiracy theories, including hosts and guests on Fox News and Newsmax falsely claiming it was a hoax devised by Democrats.

Fox & Friends Weekend Hosts Suggest Democrats Are Making Up New Variants to Help Biden.”

Anti-vaccine influencers are claiming omicron was ‘scheduled’ and that its advent is meant to distract from the trial of Ghislaine Maxwell

12\24. Florida breaks daily coronavirus cases record again with 32,580



wayne...get on your little research bus and note how many states and countries are breaking daily case records...particularly the most vaccinated

wayne...get on your little research bus and note how many states and countries are breaking daily case records...particularly the most vaccinated

And you’re missing the part that counts, though it seems you believe Covid only affects the vulnerable.

Though fighting some of the worst coronavirus outbreaks, highly vaccinated states have largely managed to keep the worst outcomes of infection at bay and data on hospitalizations and death rates largely shows states with above-average vaccination rates to fare far better than their poorly vaccinated counterparts.
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poorly vaccinated

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the "poorly vaccinated'...that's a good one

the "poorly vaccinated'...that's a good one

As Bubonic Plague Spreads and Cases Soar, the Flea-Ridden Deplorables Remain Defiant.
Pneumonic, septic, bubonic - there's always going to be another plague variant.
"Why, the plague is no worse than the pox," said one opponent of the quarantine, the manager of a local flea circus who described herself as a small business owner whose livelihood was being crushed by a tyrannical state. "This is really all about control."
"Did we shut down the economy for the Black Death? NO."
"You only have a 50% chance of dying from it"
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So now the problem is the states. Before it was Trump's fault. Now it's not Biden's fault. Before it was the President's responsibility. Now it's the States' responsibility. Guess it depends.

So now the problem is the states. Before it was Trump's fault. Now it's not Biden's fault. Before it was the President's responsibility. Now it's the States' responsibility. Guess it depends.

Probably time to change yours, Depends that is
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Probably time to change yours, Depends that is
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Yo mamma wear combat boots.

Yo mamma wear combat boots.

Pete seems disappointed with what Santa left him....

Yo mamma wear combat boots.

Oh, very droll; did you learn that during your prison stay?
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Oh, very droll; did you learn that during your prison stay?
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I learned it in the mean streets of Detroit.

Though fighting some of the worst coronavirus outbreaks, highly vaccinated states have largely managed to keep the worst outcomes of infection at bay and data on hospitalizations and death rates largely shows states with above-average vaccination rates to fare far better than their poorly vaccinated counterparts.
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most vaccinated states Updated Thursday, December 23rd, 2021

1. Vermont
Number of people fully vaccinated: 478,975
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 76.76

2. Rhode Island
Number of people fully vaccinated: 803,760
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 75.87

3. Maine
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,012,527
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 75.32

4. Connecticut
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,646,581
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 74.23

5. Massachusetts
Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,107,652
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 74.1

6. West Virginia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,283,677
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 71.63



The HILL
BY CHRIS MILLS RODRIGO - 12/25/21 02:16 PM EST

More than 70 percent of Floridians over the age of 5 are fully vaccinated.

wayne...get on your little research bus and note how many states and countries are breaking daily case records...particularly the most vaccinated

it’s not not about the surge , it’s about Ron patting himself on the back in November trying to score political points with his base who are more likely unvaccinated and who are fueling the explosion and the breading ground for new Variations of the virus

The conservatives line is oh look the vaccines don’t work people who are vaccinated still get Covid … it just more misinformation they latch to like a life raft ..

Just Like the Netflix movie don’t look up ..
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most vaccinated states Updated Thursday, December 23rd, 2021

1. Vermont
Number of people fully vaccinated: 478,975
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 76.76

2. Rhode Island
Number of people fully vaccinated: 803,760
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 75.87

3. Maine
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,012,527
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 75.32

4. Connecticut
Number of people fully vaccinated: 2,646,581
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 74.23

5. Massachusetts
Number of people fully vaccinated: 5,107,652
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 74.1

6. West Virginia
Number of people fully vaccinated: 1,283,677
Percentage of population fully vaccinated: 71.63



The HILL
BY CHRIS MILLS RODRIGO - 12/25/21 02:16 PM EST

More than 70 percent of Floridians over the age of 5 are fully vaccinated.

DeSantis has declared victory over COVID-19 on:
4/20/20
4/28/20
5/4/20
5/20/20
9/25/20

3/2/21
3/8/21
6/4/21
10/14/21
10/28/21
11/27/21

Among other dates.

Today, Florida broke its record in new cases which was set yesterday.
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DeSantis has declared victory over COVID-19 on:
4/20/20
4/28/20
5/4/20
5/20/20
9/25/20

3/2/21
3/8/21
6/4/21
10/14/21
10/28/21
11/27/21

Among other dates.

Today, Florida broke its record in new cases which was set yesterday.
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Day by day, week by week, every state breaks records. Sometimes high and sometimes low. Becomes fodder for keyboard warriors. Like a ghastly new age sport. Last gender standing is the winner.

Pete, you commented on FL daily over the summer when their data was awful. Then in the fall when they had some of the best statistics in the country, you refused to mention FL. now that their umbers are bad again, you’re all
over it.

do you not see your bias there?

do you think we don’t all know what you’re rooting for here?
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Pete, you commented on FL daily over the summer when their data was awful. Then in the fall when they had some of the best statistics in the country, you refused to mention FL. now that their umbers are bad again, you’re all
over it.

do you not see your bias there?

do you think we don’t all know what you’re rooting for here?
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You consistently praised the virtues of DeathSantis, claiming his policies were the best of all.
Odd that his best statistics were found to be falsified
Have you forgotten?
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You consistently praised the virtues of DeathSantis, claiming his policies were the best of all.
Odd that his best statistics were found to be falsified
Have you forgotten?
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and when his numbers were bad, i had no trouble speaking to that or admitting it. i’m capable
of criticizing those i agree with.

we’re getting to a point where number of cases is t going to mean much, because most of us are going to get covid regardless of what our state does or doesn’t do. what matters is death rates, adjusted for the population of elderly in each state, compared to the degree of lockdowns in that state. FL could
come out looking horrible in that view.

You guys all still refuse to criticize Cuomo for the way he handled things, but you attack Desantis. they can only be because of rabid partisanship. What other reason is there?
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with the exception of west virginia(who pete hates)..the top ten "highly vaccinated" states are all at record levels of cases and most are still trending up(wait for the Christmas booster)......the bottom ten "poorly vaccinated" states are not....they might get there but they aren't even close to the rise in cases currently occuring in the "highly vaccinated" states...doesn't really seem fair

Joe Biden OCT 2020
@JoeBiden

United States government official

We're eight months into this pandemic, and Donald Trump still doesn't have a plan to get this virus under control. I do.


:btu:

pete's beloved south korea

DEC 22 South Korea is struggling to contain a surge in Covid-19 cases, reporting 7,456 infections on Wednesday and a record number of people with serious symptoms, as countries across Asia face a similar battle.

The new infections bring South Korea’s total to 583,065, while the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency said the number of critically ill patients rose to a new high of 1,063.

this makes perfect sense at a time when cases are soaring everywhere

CDC cuts the recommended isolation and quarantine periods for coronavirus infections
Updated December 27, 2021

pete's beloved south korea

DEC 22 South Korea is struggling to contain a surge in Covid-19 cases, reporting 7,456 infections on Wednesday and a record number of people with serious symptoms, as countries across Asia face a similar battle.

The new infections bring South Korea’s total to 583,065, while the Korea Disease Control and Prevention Agency said the number of critically ill patients rose to a new high of 1,063.

Yes, as usual the data says you’re using a number deceptively to make it into something that fits your narrative
South Korea has a declining 14 day average of 11 while the USA has a 14 day average of 72 that has almost doubled in that time

It's insane how we still have to buy tiny toothpaste and take our shoes off to board a plane 20 years after 9/11, but 800,000 Covid deaths couldn't get us a temporary vaccine/test requirement to fly.

But we’re free
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Yes, as usual the data says you’re using a number deceptively

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you were talking about breaking records....they broke a bunch

I bet you and biden...together...could end covid :musc:

you were talking about breaking records....they broke a bunch

I bet you and biden...together...could end covid :musc:

Another one not understanding what Variant means Spewing nonsense that the covid of last year is the covid of today

original covid everyone had equal exposure

Delta (B.1.617.2). This variant is nearly 2x as contagious as earlier variants and might cause more severe illness. The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated


Omicron (B.1.1.529). This variant is 4x as contagious as delta spread more easily than other variants, including delta. But it’s not yet clear if omicron causes more severe disease.


Unvaccinated People Are Increasing the Chances for More Coronavirus Variants here in America and around the world

Don't look up

Another one not understanding what Variant means Spewing nonsense that the covid of last year is the covid of today

original covid everyone had equal exposure

Delta (B.1.617.2). This variant is nearly 2x as contagious as earlier variants and might cause more severe illness. The greatest risk of transmission is among unvaccinated


Omicron (B.1.1.529). This variant is 4x as contagious as delta spread more easily than other variants, including delta. But it’s not yet clear if omicron causes more severe disease.


Unvaccinated People Are Increasing the Chances for More Coronavirus Variants here in America and around the world

Don't look up

plenty of vaccinated people are spreading it now. they just don’t get very sick.

college campuses with 100% vaccination rates are seeing big outbreaks. the vaccine appears very effective at reducing severity ( which is great) , not so much at reducing frequency. especially with the new variant.
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Another one not understanding what Variant means Spewing nonsense that the covid of last year is the covid of today



pretty sure I never said that....

funny biden has had more time and far more information than trump and promised to get covid under control.....but.....:huh:

pretty sure I never said that....

funny biden has had more time and far more information than trump and promised to get covid under control.....but.....:huh:

promised to “shut it down.”. yet Biden has overseen more deaths.
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Unvaccinated People Are Increasing the Chances for More Coronavirus Variants here in America and around the world



we really need to force everyone in the world to get vaccinated somehow.....:spin:

ooooh!!!! mabye more tv commercials and free Big Macs

Another one not understanding what Variant means Spewing nonsense that the covid of last year is the covid of today

Too funny, the guy who doesn't understand what COVID means, telling people they don't know what variant means. :rolleyes:
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Sounds about right

There is a measurable decline in cognitive function in people who had just ONE episode of Covid.

What happens after multiple bouts with the virus?

How is the economy going to look if the average age of dementia onset is 60 years rather than 84?
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There is a measurable decline in cognitive function in people who had just ONE episode of Covid.

What happens after multiple bouts with the virus?


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We read your posts. Well….sometimes…..Must be 3 or 5 for you?
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There is a measurable decline in cognitive function in people who had just ONE episode of Covid.

What happens after multiple bouts with the virus?

How is the economy going to look if the average age of dementia onset is 60 years rather than 84?
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The whole world will be dumbed down, so then we should have economic "equity." Critical theorists should like that.

The whole world will be dumbed down, so then we should have economic "equity." Critical theorists should like that.

You have to give the Chinese and the democrats credit for coming up with the best way to spread communism yet devised….
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because we are keeping track of these things

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An unvaccinated man with underlying health conditions died in Texas on Monday after testing positive for the COVID-19 omicron variant




"The Israeli Health Ministry on Tuesday announced the death of a woman from a suspected Omicron infection.

The woman had been vaccinated against COVID-19 and had received a booster shot, according to a ministry statement."

Sounds about right

With the exception of "wear a seatbelt or lose your job", it's exactly the same :rolleyes:
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With the exception of "wear a seatbelt or lose your job", it's exactly the same :rolleyes:
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I think if we are going to continue to fire people who don't have covid and are unvaccinated/unboosted....it's only fair that we also fire people who are vaccinated/boosted and get covid....

Next logical step, they've obviously failed to keep society "Safe"
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I think if we are going to continue to fire people who don't have covid and are unvaccinated/unboosted....it's only fair that we also fire people who are vaccinated/boosted and get covid....

How dare anyone make responsible behavior a condition of employment.

Almost every employer has a long list of things you’re required to do or prohibited from doing.

Bet you can think of a few all by yourself
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With the exception of "wear a seatbelt or lose your job", it's exactly the same :rolleyes:
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Conditions of employment

Don’t like it go find another job.

And I am sure there have been people whom have lost their jobs for not wearing their seatbelts where required by the employer
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And I bet there are plenty of people not wearing a seatbelt on their way to work every morning
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How dare anyone make responsible behavior a condition of employment.

Almost every employer has a long list of things you’re required to do or prohibited from doing.

Bet you can think of a few all by yourself
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if you get covid you clearly have not been behaving responsibly...

Conditions of employment

Don’t like it go find another job.


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do you apply this universally or only when it's convenient for you?...never mind, I know the answer

Next logical step, they've obviously failed to keep society "Safe"
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the stores all have masked required signs for unvaccinated people and strongly suggested for vaccinated...most people heed the signs unless their name is Lets Go Brandon....so the people you see walking around a store maskless are most likely vaccinated and just as likely to be carrying around covid as anyone else at this point which means they are the most likely people in the store to be spreading covid...those are the people we need to shame and shun from society...the vax-arrogant

do you apply this universally or only when it's convenient for you?...never mind, I know the answer

It applies to any employer who wish’s to make it apply

Now conservatives support guaranteed employment.. I thought socialism was bad?

they have no issues not serving gays under religious freedom thats accepted and encouraged

But can’t handle conditions of employment.., that’s outrageous

conservatives only support the freedoms they agree with vaccination mandates are no different their deemed bad by the talking heads so real Americans must fight this infringement!

They just attached freedom to all their arguments.. and the followers start crying

The law and order party who are refusing to testify before congressional committee
Hypocrites to their core
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they have no issues not serving gays under religious freedom thats accepted and encouraged
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it’s also explicitly in the constitution, and it’s also something that your side goes berserk over, like the right goes berserk over this.

i don’t have any problem with a private employer issuing mandates. but i get why some are upset about it.

i forgot, only liberals have the right to protest that which they don’t like.
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It applies to any employer who wish’s to make it apply

Now conservatives support guaranteed employment.. I thought socialism was bad?

they have no issues not serving gays under religious freedom thats accepted and encouraged

But can’t handle conditions of employment.., that’s outrageous

conservatives only support the freedoms they agree with vaccination mandates are no different their deemed bad by the talking heads so real Americans must fight this infringement!

They just attached freedom to all their arguments.. and the followers start crying

The law and order party who are refusing to testify before congressional committee
Hypocrites to their core
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by universally I meant any mandate or restriction an employer wishes to place on employees ....or just injections?

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Conditions of employment

Don’t like it go find another job.

Hey did you hear?
USMC becomes smarter, more capable due to losing 200 absolute doofuses who refused to be vaccinated
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Hey did you hear?
USMC becomes smarter, more capable due to losing 200 absolute doofuses who refused to be vaccinated
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I read that the usual MAGA line is freedom this freedom that ..

Completely oblivious more marines and other Branches kick people out for failing drug tests then not getting vaccinated.. seems no weed mandates are acceptable. Because it’s a gateway drug…

Just look how many red states have approved recreational weed almost none. it’s a culture war topic for them , not a freedom argument
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Well, weed is illegal, so there’s that.
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I read that the usual MAGA line is freedom this freedom that ..

Completely oblivious more marines and other Branches kick people out for failing drug tests then not getting vaccinated.. seems no weed mandates are acceptable. Because it’s a gateway drug…

Just look how many red states have approved recreational weed almost none. it’s a culture war topic for them , not a freedom argument
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the fact that so many doctors oppose legalizing weed, can’t possibly have anything to do with it. Republicans aren’t capable of wanting to ever to the right thing.
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hey, did you see that the Australian health minister has decided that everyone is going to get omicron anyway sooooo...i guess they can stop locking people up against their will....and in related news Israel is considering "mass infection"..

that's 4 shots plus purposeful infection

this is great

how long till dementia joe and dr frankenfauch are telling Americans it's their patriotic duty to get infected....to save a life or something

the fact that so many doctors oppose legalizing weed, can’t possibly have anything to do with it. Republicans aren’t capable of wanting to ever to the right thing.
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Now you believe doctors

You get funnier every year
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Now you believe doctors

You get funnier every year
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when did i not believe doctors? please specify?

i’m vaccinated and boosted, and i’ve said 100 times i can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t get the vaccine.

can’t WAIT for your evidence that i routinely disagree with doctors. can’t wait.

i think Faucci is a clown. But i’m a huge, huge supporter of western medicine. You’re just lying now, fabricating up whatever you have to.
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hey, did you see that the Australian health minister has decided that everyone is going to get omicron anyway sooooo...i guess they can stop locking people up against their will....and in related news Israel is considering "mass infection"..

that's 4 shots plus purposeful infection

this is great

how long till dementia joe and dr frankenfauch are telling Americans it's their patriotic duty to get infected....to save a life or something


frankenfauch

Your spoken like a true closet cult member
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frankenfauch

Your spoken like a true closet cult member
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are you going to tell me when i denied medicine? or will you admit you made it up?
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when did i not believe doctors? please specify?

i’m vaccinated and boosted, and i’ve said 100 times i can’t understand why anyone wouldn’t get the vaccine.

can’t WAIT for your evidence that i routinely disagree with doctors. can’t wait.

i think Faucci is a clown. But i’m a huge, huge supporter of western medicine. You’re just lying now, fabricating up whatever you have to.
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The issue Jim is why you disagree with Faucci.

Because you were told to!

And that’s the same reason over weed you were told about some doctors

red states are against recreational weed but many of those states have medical weed
So don’t blame doctors

when it’s the Republican legislators playing the morality police ..

Funny 99.9 percent of doctors recommended getting the vaccine plus boosters and masks

And 8 states ban vaccine mandates

And another 10 ban mask mandates anyplace and their red states

Most of the Anti vaccine are Republican leaders
And most of the unvaccinated lean conservatives.

Like I said shocking you believe the doctors

And conservatives have the nerve to Blame this Administration for them getting Covid … the lack of logic and critical thinking is amazing
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The issue Jim is why you disagree with Faucci.

Because you were told to!

And that’s the same reason over weed you were told about some doctors

red states are against recreational weed but many of those states have medical weed
So don’t blame doctors

when it’s the Republican legislators playing the morality police ..

Funny 99.9 percent of doctors recommended getting the vaccine plus boosters and masks

And 8 states ban vaccine mandates

And another 10 ban mask mandates anyplace and their red states

Most of the Anti vaccine are Republican leaders
And most of the unvaccinated lean conservatives.

Like I said shocking you believe the doctors

And conservatives have the nerve to Blame this Administration for them getting Covid … the lack of logic and critical thinking is amazing
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so when i mock Faucci, that means i mick all of medicine? Faucci s medicine?

it’s hard to agree or disagree with him, because if he says something, before you can say “I agree with that”, he has flip flopped 180 degrees and is saying the opposite.

Faucci has opposed masks and shutdowns, then supported them, now sort of opposed them again. he wanted schools closed despite science saying there was no need, now he says schools need to be open and isolation is bad for
mental health.

he also denies the likelihood that the virus came from the wuhan lab, and lied through his teeth about indirectly finding research at that lab.

he’s a clown. Faucci isn’t always wrong ( as i said, i’m vaccinated), but he has no consistent principles.

So unless i admire every doctor you like, that means i am
anti-medicine. makes all kinds of sense wayne. it’s just bursting with common sense.
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so when i mock Faucci, that means i mick all of medicine? Faucci s medicine?

it’s hard to agree or disagree with him, because if he says something, before you can say “I agree with that”, he has flip flopped 180 degrees and is saying the opposite.

Faucci has opposed masks and shutdowns, then supported them, now sort of opposed them again. he wanted schools closed despite science saying there was no need, now he says schools need to be open and isolation is bad for
mental health.

he also denies the likelihood that the virus came from the wuhan lab, and lied through his teeth about indirectly finding research at that lab.

he’s a clown. Faucci isn’t always wrong ( as i said, i’m vaccinated), but he has no consistent principles.

So unless i admire every doctor you like, that means i am
anti-medicine. makes all kinds of sense wayne. it’s just bursting with common sense.
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tell us again Jim you have no agenda ... you post nonsense after nonsense faux outrage after faux outrage ... a day or 2 after the right wing media tell you to be outraged AKA Fauci who was Trump's best till he didn't bend the knee

Then you get upset when your called out on your information .. and in classic form suggest other prove you wrong :btu: I just mostly respond , and occasionally post actual statements and actions from Trump and his followers and some in the GOP who are the clear and present danger to the United states of America

tell us again Jim you have no agenda ... you post nonsense after nonsense faux outrage after faux outrage ... a day or 2 after the right wing media tell you to be outrages

Then get upset when your called out on your information .. and in classic form suggest other prove you wrong :btu:

i never said i have no agenda. but unlike you, i have repeatedly criticized my side, and praised the other side, when it’s deserved. you never do either.

you call it faux outrage because you don’t like it. but you can’t tell us why it’s fake outrage, and repeatedly tell us it’s a “false equivalency.”. but never specify why it’s false.

you constantly criticize the right for doing the same things you give the left a free pass for.

trump undermines a free election? bad.

democrats undermine a free fair election ? not worth mentioning.

republicans don’t get vaccinated? bad.

blacks have low vaccination rates? not worth mentioning.

Trump says election was stolen? bad.

Stacey abrams says election was stolen? not worth mentioning, because she said it to Ted Cruz ( of course you never explained why it matters that she was responding to ted cruz).

republicans violently riot? bad.

liberals violently riot? no biggie.

liberal=good, conservative=bad, no exceptions, not ever. never.
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i never said i have no agenda.


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Nope. I’m pretty sure it was Wayne who claimed he didn’t have an agenda. This is hysterical. Must be some really good drugs…..

It’s fun to watch these dummies claim you said, implied or signaled something that you never did and then go on an epic rant condemning you for something they made up. I guess that’s how it’s done these days with these people
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Nope. I’m pretty sure it was Wayne who claimed he didn’t have an agenda. This is hysterical. Must be some really good drugs…..

It’s fun to watch these dummies claim you said, implied or signaled something that you never did and then go on an epic rant condemning you for something they made up. I guess that’s how it’s done these days with these people
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when you know you can’t make a rational argument, it’s easier to convince yourself that the other side is saying something other than what they’re actually saying. that, and call everything that makes your side look bad, a “false equivalency.”.
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when you know you can’t make a rational argument, it’s easier to convince yourself that the other side is saying something other than what they’re actually saying. that, and call everything that makes your side look bad, a “false equivalency.”.
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Are you describing Tweety’s description of the election outcome?
We won because we say so?
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Are you describing Tweety’s description of the election outcome?
We won because we say so?
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Trump and Stacey Abrams, each made baseless crazy accusations that they lost because it was stolen.

is that going too fast for you? it’s clearly going to fast for wayne and spence.

wayne says it doesn’t matter that Abrams said it was stolen, because she made that comment to Ted Cruz. I keep asking wayne why it matters who she was speaking to, and for some reason he won’t answer. Was Cruz engaged in some crazy ventriloquism?
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Trump and Stacey Abrams, each made baseless crazy accusations that they lost because it was stolen.

is that going too fast for you? it’s clearly going to fast for wayne and spence.

wayne says it doesn’t matter that Abrams said it was stolen, because she made that comment to Ted Cruz. I keep asking wayne why it matters who she was speaking to, and for some reason he won’t answer. Was Cruz engaged in some crazy ventriloquism?
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One’s supporters wore pink hats and walked down the street, the other’s attacked Congress
So just who’s speaking in tongues and wanting to overthrow democracy?
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One’s supporters wore pink hats and walked down the street, the other’s attacked Congress
So just who’s speaking in tongues and wanting to overthrow democracy?
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trump has gotten a lot of heat for making baseless accusations that the election was stolen. is that true, or is that false?
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trump has gotten a lot of heat for making baseless accusations that the election was stolen. is that true, or is that false?
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Are you admitting that Trump has made consistent baseless accusations that the election was stolen or reaffirming the party line?
Or does this have something to do with your misogynistic view of democratic women?
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Are you admitting that Trump has made consistent baseless accusations that the election was stolen or reaffirming the party line?
Or does this have something to do with your misogynistic view of democratic women?
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yes, i have said 10,000 times trump
made baseless claims that the election was stolen from him.

will you concede stacey abrams did the same thing? no you won’t.

i posted video of abrams saying “it was stolen.”. that’s not good enough. it means i’m sexist, even though i’m quoting exactly what she said on video.

why is it harmless when she does it?
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One said "I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election.”

The other and his cohorts organized this as part of a coordinated campaign: Peter Navarro tells RollingStone "there were over 100 congressmen — both the House of Representatives and senators — that were lined up to execute [my] plan" to overturn the 2020 election.
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One said "I acknowledge that former Secretary of State Brian Kemp will be certified as the victor in the 2018 gubernatorial election.”

The other and his cohorts organized this as part of a coordinated campaign: Peter Navarro tells RollingStone "there were over 100 congressmen — both the House of Representatives and senators — that were lined up to execute [my] plan" to overturn the 2020 election.
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boy oh boy, was that some selective editing. she said, based on the rules as written, he won, it that those rules suppress the vote, and therefore the election was stolen from the citizens

you can’t be honest. abrams spoke at length, and yiu cherrybouck one benign sounding phrase not even the whole sentence, and try to use that to characterize her entire statement.

pete, she has said 100 times it was stolen. every one of us knows she says it and it still saying it. but you can’t admit what we all know happened.

you’re a good liberal parrot pete. but you are not to be taken seriously, it’s impossible to talk seriously with you when you willfully deny everything that makes your side look bad. that requires an awful lot of lying and denial, but we have seen you’re up to the task.
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you’re a good liberal parrot pete.

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the left has basically become crazed religious zealots, trump is satan, their sacraments are covid shots, abortion and racial and sexual identity symbolism, they cite scripture from cnn and msnbc and pray to the great god fauci and other "experts" that lead the various causes that they identify with in order to give them a greater sense of superiority and self-worth... non-believers must be censored, impugned or perhaps jailed :kewl:

Rhode Island says COVID-positive staff can return to work at hospitals and nursing homes to solve staffing crisis


if you are unvaccinated and test negative you get fired

if you are vaccinated and test positive you are urged to come to work

boy oh boy, was that some selective editing. she said, based on the rules as written, he won, it that those rules suppress the vote, and therefore the election was stolen from the citizens

you can’t be honest. abrams spoke at length, and yiu cherrybouck one benign sounding phrase not even the whole sentence, and try to use that to characterize her entire statement.

pete, she has said 100 times it was stolen. every one of us knows she says it and it still saying it. but you can’t admit what we all know happened.

you’re a good liberal parrot pete. but you are not to be taken seriously, it’s impossible to talk seriously with you when you willfully deny everything that makes your side look bad. that requires an awful lot of lying and denial, but we have seen you’re up to the task.
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She’s just another liberal political women who works hard within the system, accomplishes goals and calls out foul play as she sees it.
She didn’t coordinate an effort to throw out valid votes, she was mad because the Georgia Secretary of State used his power to remove people from the voter list.
Oddly enough that Secretary of State was running for……Governor
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She’s just another liberal political women who works hard within the system, accomplishes goals and calls out foul play as she sees it.
She didn’t coordinate an effort to throw out valid votes, she was mad because the Georgia Secretary of State used his power to remove people from the voter list.
Oddly enough that Secretary of State was running for……Governor
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“calls out foul play as she sees it.”

which is what trump did. he saw foul play in his warped mind. So did she.
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"Today the per capita death rate in Texas is about 35 percent higher than California’s. In Florida, it’s 50 percent higher. . . . If Texas and Florida had California’s per capita death rate, they would each have 20,000 more people alive today. Forty thousand lives saved."
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The worlds had enough of the unvaccinated
Greece plans to fine elderly citizens who don’t get a shot

France to tighten rules for unvaccinated people 'putting country at risk'

Germany puts major restrictions on unvaccinated

the world is getting tough on unvaccinated people: Singapore gives them the bill, New Zealand says ‘no jab, no job’ and the US says ‘please’

“calls out foul play as she sees it.”

which is what trump did. he saw foul play in his warped mind. So did she.
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More running defense for Trump Jim stop trying to walk the fence and own it you support Trump and his supporters seditious attempt to overturn the election… your whole defense is based on false equivalence you insist are evidence that’s anything and everything is the same

The worlds had enough of the unvaccinated
Greece plans to fine elderly citizens who don’t get a shot

France to tighten rules for unvaccinated people 'putting country at risk'

Germany puts major restrictions on unvaccinated

the world is getting tough on unvaccinated people: Singapore gives them the bill, New Zealand says ‘no jab, no job’ and the US says ‘please’

maybe just exterminate them and be done with these deplorables....

hey wayne...who is worse?...someone who is unvaccinated and has never gotten covid(I know some) or someone who is double vaccinated and boostered and has gotten covid twice now?...I know some of them too


it's always good when Germany starts treating a segment of their population harshly...I heard Italy is too...

How dare they say you must have life preservers on boats, some people have survived mishaps without them and people drown even with life preservers and lifeboats.🤷#^&♂️

In yesterday’s Supreme Court case, lawyers who have COVID and aren’t allowed in the Supreme Court building argued that other people should have to go to work with unvaccinated/untested people.

You need proof of vaccination and a negative PCR test and to wear a mask even to get into the court building. These are the rules to keep people working safely. The lawyers and justices seem content with their own working conditions.
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How dare they say you must have life preservers on boats

In yesterday’s Supreme Court case

You need proof of vaccination and a negative PCR test and to wear a mask even to get into the court building. what is the difference between a vaccinated negative pcr test person wearing a mask and an unvaccinated negative pcr test person wearing a mask?

These are the rules to keep people working safely. The lawyers and justices seem content with their own working conditions.

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didn't say that...but they should probably make people wear three life preservers the entire time they are on a boat to be sure that they absolutely do not drown or take anyone down with them...

in yesterday's supreme court hearings we learned that Kagan and Breyer are idiots

it would make more sense to punish or get rid of the unhealthy vaccinated...they are going to continue to clog up the medical system and consume more than their weight in medical services despite covid....getting vaccinated just means they can continue their unhealthy lifestyle, they might be slightly less susceptible to covid or not, at least till the next variant, but they are still 100% susceptible to all of the other health threats they've made themselves targets for driving up medical and insurance cost for the rest of us...why do we put up with these people as a society?;)

The difference is you can get into the Supreme Court, for the rest of the country I guess it doesn’t matter.

If you don’t care that there are medical facilities available in case of an accident, severe illness etc, of course don’t get vaccinated.
You have a 90% chance of not being hospitalized if you’re vaccinated.

If some find medicine so frightful, perhaps they’ll just stay home if they get Covid.

Full hospitals are a serious issue, in non pandemic times they don’t keep many beds empty. They are sized for the normal demand and most people don’t go for fun.
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If you don’t care that there are medical facilities available in case of an accident, severe illness etc, of course don’t get vaccinated.
You have a 90% chance of not being hospitalized if you’re vaccinated.

If some find medicine so frightful, perhaps they’ll just stay home if they get Covid.

Full hospitals are a serious issue, in non pandemic times they don’t keep many beds empty. They are sized for the normal demand and most people don’t go for fun.
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what is the difference between a vaccinated negative pcr test person wearing a mask and an unvaccinated negative pcr test person wearing a mask?

You have a 90% chance of not being hospitalized if you’re vaccinated.


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I think you have an even higher chance of not being hospitalized if you are healthy...

what is the difference between a vaccinated negative pcr test person wearing a mask and an unvaccinated negative pcr test person wearing a mask?

The difference is you can get into the Supreme Court, for the rest of the country I guess it doesn’t matter.
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The difference is you can get into the Supreme Court, for the rest of the country I guess it doesn’t matter.
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nice dodge....sort of:rolleyes:

maybe just exterminate them and be done with these deplorables....

hey wayne...who is worse?...someone who is unvaccinated and has never gotten covid(I know some) or someone who is double vaccinated and boostered and has gotten covid twice now?...I know some of them too


it's always good when Germany starts treating a segment of their population harshly...I heard Italy is too...

It’s a sad day when the goal is to keep Americans out of the Hospitals so Americans with other issues are not left on the sidewalk waiting for a bed

But people on the right and other anti vax people seem to not care who’s on the sidewalk ! And twist this vaccine as a form of control or an attack on their freedom.

The word freedom is now attached to any argument or topic from conservatives they agree or disagree with .

We are lucky today’s GOP and it’s supporters were not around during WW 1 or WW 2. Food, gas and clothing were rationed. Communities conducted scrap metal drives. They would be crying about their freedoms as individuals. but they would have been on board. With Japanese Americans having their rights as citizens stripped from them that much is certain

It’s funny the entire world sees being unvaccinated for what it is. A problem to society. regardless of right wing media is saying they the vaccines are doing just what they were designed to keep people out of the hospital …

someone should ask rand Paul what happened to natural immunity?

Op-Ed: Rand Paul: the ophthalmologist "The science proves people with natural immunity should skip COVID vaccines"

That’s the unvaccinated source of info people like rand or the usual YouTube tictok or FB or Twitter full of info and empty on experience and credentials

I know a family of 4 2had Covid 1st time around and 2 did not all got the vaccine and now all 4 tested positive.. what changed the virus
Changed it became more transmissible than delta but we and the world got lucky it’s not as deadly
But conservatives and anti vax people across the globe are the same it’s about only about them .

But they cry foul when their inaction causes Governments to deny them access to people and places fine them or raise their insurance rates because they are a RISK or provide no coverage at all if the do get sick and hospitalized , and send them the. Bill .

Imagine if all these people refusing the vaccines in the United States were Muslim. Imagine the rights outrage

Imagine if all these people refusing the vaccines in the United States were Muslim. Imagine the rights outrage



^^^^digging pretty deep...

hey wayne...who is worse?...someone who is unvaccinated and has never gotten covid(I know some) or someone who is double vaccinated and boostered and has gotten covid twice now?

also....if an unvaccinated person gets covid from a vaccinated person...whose fault is it?

^^^^digging pretty deep...

hey wayne...who is worse?...someone who is unvaccinated and has never gotten covid(I know some) or someone who is double vaccinated and boostered and has gotten covid twice now?

also....if an unvaccinated person gets covid from a vaccinated person...whose fault is it?

WTF is your point?

75% of Americans are vaccinated and the majority of the hospitalized are unvaccinated.

As far as fault goes, if a person chooses not to get the free vaccine and ends up in the hospital, they should get the bill.

Just a little personal responsibility
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WTF is your point?

75% of Americans are vaccinated and the majority of the hospitalized are unvaccinated.

As far as fault goes, if a person chooses not to get the free vaccine and ends up in the hospital, they should get the bill.

Just a little personal responsibility
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good job not answering again....

75% of Americans are vaccinated and the majority of the hospitalized are unvaccinated.


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are those the 100,000 children on ventilators?

^^^^digging pretty deep...

hey wayne...who is worse?...someone who is unvaccinated and has never gotten covid(I know some) or someone who is double vaccinated and boostered and has gotten covid twice now?

also....if an unvaccinated person gets covid from a vaccinated person...whose fault is it?

I know some

Is that your argument. [I You know a needle in a haystack ]

So it’s all a lie vaccines don’t work

How luck are we that this latest highly contagious variant isn’t killing the vaccinated or hospitalizing them .. but the effects and outcomes are not so charitable..

Let me give you an example of an insurance clause I’ve dealt with let’s call it a mandate

In the service you are covered with life insurance up to 300k because let’s face it no private insurance company is going to cover someone who may die in combat at a reasonable premium
But if you drive a motorcycle you must have a hi visibility vest on while operating or wear a seatbelt. If you are killed in an accident with out these 2 requirements. They don’t pay the claim

And that’s were we are with the unvaccinated it’s their choice

And it’s the choice of insurance or employers governments and private companies to say no vaccine no services

Freedom isnt a one way street like conservatives would love us to believe

But if you drive a motorcycle you must have a hi visibility vest on while operating or wear a seatbelt.



seat belts on motorcycles...good one

good job not answering again....


Testing only tells you if you have enough of a viral load to trigger the test, you can actually be infected and not trigger the test.
Since an unvaccinated person has a greater chance of contracting Covid, they also have a greater chance of spreading Covid at any point in time.
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So it’s all a lie vaccines don’t work



never said that....but they aren't working all that great as all the vaxxed are still in masks and going to the hospital and buying up all the test kits, if only the president would do as he guaranteed...

but as you said, fortunately Joemicron has pretty mild symptoms...

so when they tell you later this year that they want you double vaccinated and triple boostered AND they want you to GET INFECTED because it's your patriotic and civil duty....hope you head right out and dutifully comply...or maybe the drug companies will have an infection pill for you....bet you'll gobble that right down if fauci tells you to:laugha:

Since an unvaccinated person has a greater chance of contracting Covid, they also have a greater chance of spreading Covid at any point in time.

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I don't know that this is true any more....and based on the numbers we're seeing it probably isn't

NY TIMES Published Dec. 19, 2021
Updated Dec. 21, 2021

A growing body of preliminary research suggests the Covid vaccines used in most of the world offer almost no defense against becoming infected by the highly contagious Omicron variant.

"Today the per capita death rate in Texas is about 35 percent higher than California’s. In Florida, it’s 50 percent higher. . . . If Texas and Florida had California’s per capita death rate, they would each have 20,000 more people alive today. Forty thousand lives saved."
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"TODAY"

actually if you are fair and look at the overall statistics, according to Worldometers NJ,NY Michigan, Masss and RI all have higher deaths per million than Florida...Florida is 16th, Texas 27th and during the recent omicron spike, despite the high infections only reporting a couple of deaths per day while NY and Cali are reporting around 100+ per day....deaths in NY, NJ are going up and Fla deaths are declining


Sun Sentinel

Florida has second-lowest COVID death rate in US What's
19 hours ago —
Florida's seven-day average as of Friday was of 0.09 deaths a day per 100,000, or the state with the second-lowest rate in the country.

if that's not good enough for you and since you like to take snap shots and scream at the sky

according to NY Times

states ranked by death rate as of Jan 7th last 7 days

deaths per 100,000
Florida 0.09
California 0.14

https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/us-coronavirus-deaths-by-state-july-1.html

SWEDEN Jan 8, 2022

Sweden this week reported the highest daily number of confirmed cases so far. But its rate of excess deaths during the pandemic is now less than most other countries in Europe.

I don't know that this is true any more....and based on the numbers we're seeing it probably isn't

NY TIMES Published Dec. 19, 2021
Updated Dec. 21, 2021

A growing body of preliminary research suggests the Covid vaccines used in most of the world offer almost no defense against becoming infected by the highly contagious Omicron variant.

That’s possibly true, but the majority of the hospitalized are the unvaccinated minority.
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but the majority of the hospitalized are the unvaccinated minority.

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this is meaningless hyperbole

QAnon influencer who spread conspiracy theories and misinformation about COVID-19 dies after contracting the virus



Weldon is one of several conservative vaccine skeptics who have died from COVID-19 during the pandemic, including Phil Valentine, Marc Bernier, Doug Kuzma, and Pressley Stutts.


But People said Jim Jones was crazy his followers drank the koolaid and 900 died

How many people did these anti vaccine people take with them Normal people call them crazy and dangerous.

The right and conservatives call it freedom :huh:

this is meaningless hyperbole

Slowly for the troll
Most of the hospitalized are not vaccinated
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Florida Republican Ron DeSantis allowed a state stockpile of more than 1 million rapid coronavirus tests to expire.
Because if you don’t test…….

And Governor Ron DeSantis announced, Friday, the state has 15,000 more doses of monoclonal antibody drug, Regeneron. However, medical experts say it does not work against the omicron variant.

"None of the three monoclonals that are in the Regeneron cocktail show any activity whatsoever against the omicron variant," Dr. Thomas Unnasch, a distinguished health professor at The University of South Florida, said. "Zero activity.”

Unnasch cites four studies published in December that show Regeneron has no effectiveness in preventing an omicron infection. Eli Lilly, the company that created the treatment, admitted the same after its own tests of Regeneron.

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And Governor Ron DeSantis announced, Friday, the state has 15,000 more doses of monoclonal antibody drug, Regeneron. However, medical experts say it does not work against the omicron variant.

"None of the three monoclonals that are in the Regeneron cocktail show any activity whatsoever against the omicron variant," Dr. Thomas Unnasch, a distinguished health professor at The University of South Florida, said. "Zero activity.”

Unnasch cites four studies published in December that show Regeneron has no effectiveness in preventing an omicron infection. Eli Lilly, the company that created the treatment, admitted the same after its own tests of Regeneron.

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you know there is still some Delta in Florida....

hey, by the way...when you were attacking desantis for being out during the holidays recently.....

you do know he was with his wife who was getting chemo for her breast cancer...right?

and he didn't take two months off to change diapers :laugha:

QAnon influencer who spread conspiracy theories and misinformation about COVID-19 dies after contracting the virus



Weldon is one of several conservative vaccine skeptics who have died from COVID-19 during the pandemic, including Phil Valentine, Marc Bernier, Doug Kuzma, and Pressley Stutts.


But People said Jim Jones was crazy his followers drank the koolaid and 900 died

How many people did these anti vaccine people take with them Normal people call them crazy and dangerous.

The right and conservatives call it freedom :huh:

freedom....

you know there is still some Delta in Florida....

hey, by the way...when you were attacking desantis for being out during the holidays recently.....

you do know he was with his wife who was getting chemo for her breast cancer...right?

and he didn't take two months off to change diapers :laugha:

His staff claimed he was working.

A million tests expired while he was with his wife.

He returned and went to an event with his unmasked wife, who just had Chemo?

So who’s lying
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So who’s lying

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are you suggesting he's lying about his wife having cancer?

or lying about her getting chemo treatments?

or lying about being with his wife for the treatments?

not sure what tests expiring has to do with anything, did you want him to change the expiration date or something?

I know who is insanely bitter:bl:

are you suggesting he's lying about his wife having cancer?

or lying about her getting chemo treatments?

or lying about being with his wife for the treatments?

not sure what tests expiring has to do with anything, did you want him to change the expiration date or something?

I know who is insanely bitter:bl:

what you just did to pete, is like what happened to Sonny Corleone at the toll booth.
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are you suggesting he's lying about his wife having cancer?

or lying about her getting chemo treatments?

or lying about being with his wife for the treatments?

not sure what tests expiring has to do with anything, did you want him to change the expiration date or something?

I know who is insanely bitter:bl:

I’m suggesting one of his or his staffs statements is a lie

Since people in Floriduh were waiting in lines for tests and the state controlled the distribution of them, yes I’m suggesting the guy in charge bears responsibility
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I’m suggesting one of his or his staffs statements is a lie

Since people in Floriduh were waiting in lines for tests and the state controlled the distribution of them, yes I’m suggesting the guy in charge bears responsibility
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you have said here many times, that trump was responsible for many covid deaths that happened on his watch.

let me take a wild guess….Biden isn’t similarly responsible
for the larger number of deaths in 2021?
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Since people in Floriduh were waiting in lines for tests and the state controlled the distribution of them, yes I’m suggesting the guy in charge bears responsibility

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responsibility for not distributing at the end of December, a batch of tests that expired in September?...

Republican governors are downplaying the rapid explosion of new Covid infections — but they still want Joe Biden’s help stopping it.

Shocking
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you have said here many times, that trump was responsible for many covid deaths that happened on his watch.

let me take a wild guess….Biden isn’t similarly responsible
for the larger number of deaths in 2021?
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Again Jim comparisons are not remotely relative ..

Funny you support a man who lied about Covid to his fellow Americans and wished it away. And support the unvaccinated as it’s about liberty and freedom

But you want to hold someone responsible who encourages Americans to get tested wear a mask get boosted with the goal of protect yourself and others at the same time . And still excuse the unvaccinated who are the ones actually dying and filling up American hospitals

Your ability to rationalize stuff with nonsense is unmatched


attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate.

That’s you
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Again Jim comparisons are not remotely relative ..

Funny you support a man who lied about Covid to his fellow Americans and wished it away. And support the unvaccinated as it’s about liberty and freedom

But you want to hold someone responsible who encourages Americans to get tested wear a mask get boosted with the goal of protect yourself and others at the same time . And still excuse the unvaccinated who are the ones actually dying and filling up American hospitals

Your ability to rationalize stuff with nonsense is unmatched


attempt to explain or justify (one's own or another's behavior or attitude) with logical, plausible reasons, even if these are not true or appropriate.

That’s you
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a complete dodge.

“false equivalency” is your go-to response to everything, to avoid holding democrats responsible for
anything.
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biden didn’t lie? he said he had a plan to beat covid.

what you just did to pete, is like what happened to Sonny Corleone at the toll booth.
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:nailem:

a complete dodge.

“false equivalency” is your go-to response to everything, to avoid holding democrats responsible for
anything.
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biden didn’t lie? he said he had a plan to beat covid.

Again facts and Truths are a dodge in Jim’s universe aka Maga universe


Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated

Dodge that Jim ! Can’t fix a problem if those dying don’t wish to participate in the plan..

But but Biden all you got. What a surprise
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Again facts and Truths are a dodge in Jim’s universe aka Maga universe


Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated

Dodge that Jim ! Can’t fix a problem if those dying don’t wish to participate in the plan..

But but Biden all you got. What a surprise
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i agree you can’t blame
biden for people
not getting vaccinated.

but the vaccine didn’t even exist for
most of grumps
time dealing with covid, so why were all those deaths his fault?

you didn’t criticize cuomo for putting sick people in nursing homes. it’s all trumps fault.

wdmso, you posted recently that a record low number of americans identify as republican. yet biden’s approval numbers stink.

does that mean that a meaningful
number of independents and democrats disapprove? if so, how do you explain that?

Is there a single major policy issue, on which you think Biden has done a lousy job? or do you give him A’s across the board?
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Again facts and Truths are a dodge in Jim’s universe aka Maga universe


Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated

Dodge that Jim ! Can’t fix a problem if those dying don’t wish to participate in the plan..

But but Biden all you got. What a surprise
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it’s true you can’t blame biden for people not getting vaccinated.

but on what measure can you give him good grades for handling covid?

obviously we weren’t anywhere near prepared for omicron, even though the normal course with viruses is new variants which are more contagious, but thankfully less deadly, then the one before.

you used to be able to go to a clinic and get tested the same day yiu wanted to, now you have to wait days.

production of hime tests is way behind where it could be.

production of treatments like monoclonal antibodies is way behind where it should be. those are very effective, and unfortunately in short supply.

you’d have to give biden good grades on availability of vaccines. and that’s significant. but with the benefit of hindsight, it looks like we went all in on vaccines and let other things slip.
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Again facts and Truths are a dodge in Jim’s universe aka Maga universe


Staggering COVID-19 Statistic: 98% to 99% of Americans Dying are Unvaccinated but are they democrats or republicans...we need that data:tooth:




it looks like we went all in on vaccines and let other things slip.

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that sounds like a statistic AOC would blurt out to be honest...don't worry we only have 12 years left on the planet anyway

Walensky said recently that 75% or more of the people who have died...oh, and I guess we are going to finally begin differentiating between "with and from" covid because it's now politically convenient, 75%+ percent had at least 4 co-morbidities and stated "So really these are people who were unwell to begin with" and yes, really encouraging news in the context of Omicron."

while some constitute conditions that are not behavioral, the majority of people who have 4 co-morbidities are people who have not taken care of themselves for decades....obesity, diabetes, smoking, chronic lung disease, chronic kidney disease, liver disease, substance use disorders, heart conditions

A) if someone doesn't take care of themselves should you be surprised that they don't get vaxxed?

B) even vaxxed, they are teetering on the edge probably running on large daily doses of pharmaceuticals


so Wayne...how are you going to keep these people from dying or killing themselves?

are you going to hold them down and vaccinate them, and then chase them around with each booster to make sure they are protected and then monitor their diet and exercise to protect them from themselves?

but on what measure can you give him good grades for handling covid?


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well, he still wears his mask outdoors when he's by himself but not indoors when the sign on the door says "masks required"...so that's like...leading by example or something...:claps:


On the Fourth of July, President Biden said, “Two hundred and forty-five years ago, we declared our independence from a distant king. Today, we’re closer than ever to declaring our independence from a deadly virus.”

How’d that turn out?

he's also good at triumphantly making disastrously wrong statements and predictions :bl:

Since people in Floriduh were waiting in lines for tests

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I had to go to Walgreens the other day to drop off a Fedex package...the parking lot was full and the lines inside were very long...it appeared that many people were there to buy test kits as their hands were full of test kits...there was not shortage of test kits, there were tables near the register stacked high with test kits...

the long lines were because there were a lot of people that wanted test kits...

clearly Walgreens was doing a terrible job selling the test kits in a timely manner :confused:

I had to go to Walgreens the other day to drop off a Fedex package...the parking lot was full and the lines inside were very long...it appeared that many people were there to buy test kits as their hands were full of test kits...there was not shortage of test kits, there were tables near the register stacked high with test kits...

the long lines were because there were a lot of people that wanted test kits...

clearly Walgreens was doing a terrible job selling the test kits in a timely manner :confused:

i don’t know Scott, he did call it “Floridah”, it’s tough to argue with that logic. low unemployment, very low taxes, people flocking there in huge numbers, those hicks can’t do anything right.

same in hartford suburbs yesterday, huge lines at pharmacies as test kits came in ( people never heard of amazon i guess) and stores short staffed.
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well, he still wears his mask outdoors when he's by himself but not indoors when the sign on the door says "masks required"...so that's like...leading by example or something...:claps:


On the Fourth of July, President Biden said, “Two hundred and forty-five years ago, we declared our independence from a distant king. Today, we’re closer than ever to declaring our independence from a deadly virus.”

How’d that turn out?

he's also good at triumphantly making disastrously wrong statements and predictions :bl:

that photo in nantucket was perfect.

still waiting for that cancer cure.
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honest question....if you are young and healthy...why would you get vaccinated at this point?....the Pfizer CEO just admitted that his first two shots are not effective in stopping infection and spread same with the booster and also admitted that they are not as safe as they'd "hoped"....also said there would be an omicron booster in March which will be just in time for the disappearance of Omicron probably....Yale New Haven medical director believes Omicron wave will pass by March

the only reason for a young, healthy person to have an experimental drug injected into their body at this point, is that it "might" lessen some symptoms which they are highly unlikely to experience anyway without the injection....

if you are old and have lots of co-morbidities...sure...probably a good idea...otherwise:spin: sounds like drug pushers pushing more drugs


if they tell you the flu shot is not likely to stop you from getting and transmitting the flu and unless you are old and ill, it "might" lessen your symptoms a bit if you happen to catch it...are you getting the flu shot?

you didn’t criticize cuomo for putting sick people in nursing homes. it’s all trumps fault.


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they wanted to hang every single covid death, whether "from" covid or "with" covid around trump's neck and it was entirely political...now they are trying to do everything they can to deflect, change definitions, shift blame, backpedal, skip rope and.....on ..

pretty remarkable to watch....no surprise though:)

they wanted to hang every single covid death, whether "from" covid or "with" covid around trump's neck and it was entirely political...now they are trying to do everything they can to deflect, change definitions, shift blame, backpedal, skip rope and.....on ..

pretty remarkable to watch....no surprise though:)

but it’s fun watching them squirm when they get challenged in it.

sore reporter for the NYT who had said trump was responsible
for hundreds of thousands of deaths, is now saying that the death count isn’t something that the president can control, so let’s leave Biden alone.

Sounds fair. And perfectly consistent.
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but the vaccine didn’t even exist for
most of grumps
time dealing with covid, so why were all those deaths his fault?


You are as dense a lead

Trump never tried to take Covid seriously he lied and lied to the American people he said it would disappear..

But in your world goals to cure cancer or to tackle Covid are considered lies .

You prefer a man who sat on hands during Covid . And this same man sat on his hands on Jan 6th ..

Why do you prefer people aka Trump who make no commitments to the American people or just refuse to act for them or tell the Truth. All in the name of his self preservation

Your a poor judge of character
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but it’s fun watching them squirm when they get challenged in it.

sore reporter for the NYT who had said trump was responsible
for hundreds of thousands of deaths, is now saying that the death count isn’t something that the president can control, so let’s leave Biden alone.

Sounds fair. And perfectly consistent.
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Jim regurgitation of right wing talking points is not challenging anything or anyone

Your just trying to defend Trump for his inaction

You and the right are
suggesting that Biden has done a worse job handling the pandemic than Trump did, depend on several misleading bits of data. They also ignore the fact that coronavirus deaths in 2021 have disproportionately occurred in more-Republican areas.

And who feeds these people the lies against what would keep them alive.
The have Rs next to their names

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You are as dense a lead


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atta boy....

You prefer a man who sat on hands during Covid

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ummmm....Operation WARP Speed

coronavirus deaths in 2021 have disproportionately occurred in more-Republican areas.


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but what about the democrat areas within those more republican areas?....hmmmm?

and define "more"

but the vaccine didn’t even exist for
most of grumps
time dealing with covid, so why were all those deaths his fault?


You are as dense a lead

Trump never tried to take Covid seriously he lied and lied to the American people he said it would disappear..

But in your world goals to cure cancer or to tackle Covid are considered lies .

You prefer a man who sat on hands during Covid . And this same man sat on his hands on Jan 6th ..

Why do you prefer people aka Trump who make no commitments to the American people or just refuse to act for them or tell the Truth. All in the name of his self preservation

Your a poor judge of character
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"Trump never tried to take Covid seriously"

When he implemented travel restrictions, the entire left said it was an over-reaction.

So when he does something bold, it's an hysterical overreaction. When he doesn't do something bold, he didn't take it seriously enough. Whatever he does (it doesn't matter what it is), you'll say it's wrong.

He oversaw the creation of a testing and vaccine-creating infastructure that didn't exist. Within a year, you could get a test the day you wanted it (not anymore!) and they were vaccinating about a million people a day.

"he lied and lied to the American people he said it would disappear"

Biden also said he would make covid disappear. How's that working out? He promised to cure cancer too. But last time i checked, it's still around.

But Biden didn't lie., no sir. Only republicans do that.

liberal=good, conservative=bad.

Jim regurgitation of right wing talking points is not challenging anything or anyone

Your just trying to defend Trump for his inaction

You and the right are
suggesting that Biden has done a worse job handling the pandemic than Trump did, depend on several misleading bits of data. They also ignore the fact that coronavirus deaths in 2021 have disproportionately occurred in more-Republican areas.

And who feeds these people the lies against what would keep them alive.
The have Rs next to their names

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"You and the right are suggesting that Biden has done a worse job handling the pandemic than Trump did"

The data makes that clear. More cases, more deaths, much harder time getting a test now.

Biden also acted, well, you might say like an authoritarian when he issued vaccine mandates that have been struck down in some courts.

I'm old enough to remember when liberals liked to say that personal medical decisions (at least in the case of abortion) were none of the governments business.

Every doctor will tell you that the normal course of new viruses, is that they mutate, and subsequent mutations tend to be more contagious, but less severe, than previous versions. We could have been ready for this.

Of course Jim is ignoring all of January in Trumps total. Even if Biden wasn’t in office

according to OurWorldInData, which relies on Johns Hopkins University figures, cumulative deaths stood at 412,892 as of January 20, still significantly more than the 393,547 recorded under Biden through to December 19.

Omg say it ain’t so Actually people did the math

And yes this count will go up over the next 3 years if The unvaccinated
Remain
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Of course Jim is ignoring all of January in Trumps total. Even if Biden wasn’t in office

according to OurWorldInData, which relies on Johns Hopkins University figures, cumulative deaths stood at 412,892 as of January 20, still significantly more than the 393,547 recorded under Biden through to December 19.

Omg say it ain’t so Actually people did the math

And yes this count will go up over the next 3 years if The unvaccinated
Remain
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When Biden has been in for a year, post what the deaths were for Trumps year and Bidens year.

Biden had significant advantages that Trump obviously didn't have. For most of Trumps year, there was no vaccine. By the time Biden got sworn in, we were vaccinating a million people a day. Plus, supposedly, Biden is a lot smarter, right? Plus, we had a year of experience that Trump didn't have the benefit of. Is any of that wrong?

Wayne, if Biden kept his campaign promise to beat covid, what do YOU think the data would show? Shouldn't there be a lot less deaths after a year of Biden's superior abilities?

What can you point to, that would indicate that Biden is beating covid?

Jim you are such a tool, I come hear now for the humor watching you flail away with each endless crusade you start and so I can occasionally poke fun. Hey speaking of religion, which I know your all over, the Pope just stated it’s a good Christian’s moral obligation to get vaccinated. OMG what a dilemma for the faithful who have to date bought into the anti vaccine nonsense.

Jim you are such a tool, I come hear now for the humor watching you flail away with each endless crusade you start and so I can occasionally poke fun. Hey speaking of religion, which I know your all over, the Pope just stated it’s a good Christian’s moral obligation to get vaccinated. OMG what a dilemma for the faithful who have to date bought into the anti vaccine nonsense.

"the Pope just stated it’s a good Christian’s moral obligation to get vaccinated"

Me, my wife, and kids are fully vaccinated. I've never, ever spoke against vaccines here. I don't understand why people aren't getting vaccinated. (Though with omicron and likely with future variants, the vaccines will likely be less crucial as it becomes even less deadly)

It's interesting, none of you libs here could comment on the low black vaccination rate, not one of you (either Wayne or Pete brilliantly suggested they were all black Republicans, THAT was hilarious). But you are all over conservative demographics with low vaccine rates. Why is that?

Are unvaccinated liberals less dangerous than unvaccinated conservatives? One would think so, based on how selective you all are about who you criticize for being unvaccinated, and who you give a pass to for being unvaccinated.

If you think you have ever made me "flail away", you are flattering yourself. All you can do is lob baseless insults, because I'm honest and thoughtful and can praise and criticize either side as facts warrant. Yes you've really got me on the ropes.

When Biden has been in for a year, post what the deaths were for Trumps year and Bidens year.

Biden had significant advantages that Trump obviously didn't have. For most of Trumps year, there was no vaccine. By the time Biden got sworn in, we were vaccinating a million people a day. Plus, supposedly, Biden is a lot smarter, right? Plus, we had a year of experience that Trump didn't have the benefit of. Is any of that wrong?

Wayne, if Biden kept his campaign promise to beat covid, what do YOU think the data would show? Shouldn't there be a lot less deaths after a year of Biden's superior abilities?

What can you point to, that would indicate that Biden is beating covid?

Why do you keep re asking the same questions over and over after the responses have been made and backed by actual data and events

What do you thinks is going to change

So Biden’s mandates haven’t saved any lives . same with masks promotion vaccines and booster

All roads lead back to guess who the unvaccinated and GOP messaging you insist isn’t happening
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"the Pope just stated it’s a good Christian’s moral obligation to get vaccinated"

Me, my wife, and kids are fully vaccinated. I've never, ever spoke against vaccines here. I don't understand why people aren't getting vaccinated. (Though with omicron and likely with future variants, the vaccines will likely be less crucial as it becomes even less deadly)

It's interesting, none of you libs here could comment on the low black vaccination rate, not one of you (either Wayne or Pete brilliantly suggested they were all black Republicans, THAT was hilarious). But you are all over conservative demographics with low vaccine rates. Why is that?

Are unvaccinated liberals less dangerous than unvaccinated conservatives? One would think so, based on how selective you all are about who you criticize for being unvaccinated, and who you give a pass to for being unvaccinated.

If you think you have ever made me "flail away", you are flattering yourself. All you can do is lob baseless insults, because I'm honest and thoughtful and can praise and criticize either side as facts warrant. Yes you've really got me on the ropes.

The lefties are good at resorting to a sort of secular situational ethics that create a scenario or proposition that appears to be reasonable but actually contradicts or disregards a claim they've made in another situation.

For instance, re this thread, they go on and on about how lousy our health care is compared to other advanced countries, and how that depresses the overall health of the people of this nation. Yet, when they constantly posted statistics, week after week in 2020 that showed how Covid caused more deaths in the U.S., they disregarded all the differentiating demographic factors between us and the other advanced countries, including their own mantra about the relatively poor health of Americans, and blamed it all on Trump. Even though it was well known that dying of Covid was mostly a result of co-morbidity. The very co-morbidities that they claimed were disproportionately due to what they claimed was our poor health care system.

They conveniently forget about previous claims in other situations in order to advance an agenda in another situation. When it was pointed out in 2020 that the number of covid deaths was being inflated because hospitals were attributing all deaths to Covid even if patients were admitted for other reasons, it was sternly rebutted as being somehow insignificant. It didn't matter because even if the patient died of a heart attack, that might not have happened at that time if the patient didn't also have covid.

But now, Trump is gone, so we can probably admit, or even tamp down, the number of deaths due to Covid. We now can recognize the difference in dying "with" covid from dying "of" Covid.

Why do you keep re asking the same questions over and over after the responses have been made and backed by actual data and events

What do you thinks is going to change

So Biden’s mandates haven’t saved any lives . same with masks promotion vaccines and booster

All roads lead back to guess who the unvaccinated and GOP messaging you insist isn’t happening
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That's a brand new question (never posted before), here it is again...

"if Biden kept his campaign promise to beat covid, what do YOU think the data would show?"

"So Biden’s mandates haven’t saved any lives"

Never came close to saying that. I'm certain they have saved lives. What I was talking about, was the constitutionality.

It would also save lives if the president mandated that people eat a plant based dies and walked 5 miles a day. That would save countless lives. But it would be unconstitutional.

Why do you keep claiming I said something, which I never even came close to saying? Is it because you can't respond to what I am sayong?

"All roads lead back to guess who the unvaccinated"

There were 100% unvaccinated before there was a vaccine. Yet deaths aren't dropping meaningfully, even though, what, 65% are vaccinated?

We now can recognize the difference in dying "with" covid from dying "of" Covid.

Not quite yet, because the democrats are horrified at the prospect of what is looming come November. So until then at least, covid is worse than Ebola, and Trumps policies and his followers are the only thing preventing us from eradicating covid.

Personally I'm still anxiously awaiting the eradication of cancer, which Biden explicitly promised. We lost my wifes mom to cancer in May, so that cure he promised really would have been nice to have at that time.

Jim maybe this post from a nurses perspective today will explain to you why everyone has been in a reactive catch up mode since this started. But in your pea brain reasoning because Biden came into office with a new vaccine and in his attempt to assure the country he would get it under control, that like magic (only if Trump won right) it would go away. This of course won’t fit into your narrative, but you will of course retort with, hey haven’t I always said this and haven’t I always said that; OMG you are THE most predictable and pathetic person posting on this board.

From a nurse’s eyes

I’ve been surrounded by a lot of different views of the global pandemic. I am entirely full of anger; I’ll do my best to keep all the emotions I’m personally dealing with out of these experiences and thoughts I’m about to share.

In the beginning of the pandemic, we were all scared. We didn’t know what this virus was. We didn’t know how it would affect our lives. I vividly remember the first case we thought we had in our ICU because the chest x-ray read “ground glass opacities.” We didn’t know how to protect ourselves. But time went on. Research was done as quickly as possible to figure out if it was spread via aerosolized particles, droplets, or if it was airborne. Protocols changed quickly within the hospital. Wear a mask, wear an N95… now add eye protection. Now you don’t need an N95 unless your patient is on the bipap or ventilator. Oh but now you only need an N95 if your ventilated patient has gotten an aerosolized treatment or their circuit has broken within the last 69 minutes. Things changed so rapidly because we were learning and gaining new information so quickly, while also trying to preserve resources- we weren’t prepared for this.

Now we’ve been going through this for nearly 19 months. We’ve got more N95s, more PPE, and by December 2020, we were vaccinating healthcare workers, first responders, and high risk patients. Now, you’re information overloaded. Overwhelmed by numbers, statistics, graphics of how many patients are in each hospital, and how many are covid and unvaccinated. You watch the news, you see restrictions implemented in attempts to keep others from being infected. Some see these numbers and graphics showing covid data and think we’re “trying to push an agenda.” But there’s so much more you don’t see. There’s such a limited view into the hospitals. You don’t see nurses sharing their stories, because we protect our patients’ privacy. But more and more, I’m realizing it might be our experiences that speak louder than numbers.

We do everything we can for our patients. Many patients come in short of breath, with low oxygen readings, we put them on oxygen, start medications including antivirals and steroids. But then that oxygen and medication isn’t enough. We keep turning the oxygen up, and up, and up, until we get to the point they have to wear a mask that forces air into their lungs. Soon, even that is not enough. They need to be intubated.

So Emily, RN, our charge nurse for the day, calls their family and tells them we can’t keep their oxygen up and it’s time to be intubated.

Caroline, RN hurries to the med room to grab medications to sedate and paralyze them so that our pulmonologist can intubate safely and quickly. Jessica, our respiratory therapist, grabs her RT friend Salina and they wheel in the ventilator.

Everyone dons their PPE and is ready at the patient’s bedside. Caroline pushes meds, RT handles the airway and tools necessary for intubation. Our pulmonologist intubates them. Angie, our rapid response nurse, records the events from just outside the room with the phone on speaker so she can hear inside.

After successful intubation, we put in a foley catheter, a nasogastric tube (tube in your nose or mouth down to your stomach so we can give you medications and nutrition). We get x-rays and labs. We start continuous sedation so the patient can comfortably tolerate the tube in their mouth that is anchored by a balloon in the trachea. The ventilator settings are immediately increased. When 100% oxygen isn’t keeping their oxygen levels up, we increase the pressure so that their lungs are kept open and hope for better oxygenation. Emily and Caroline hold their hand and watch the monitor hoping for their oxygen to get above 88%. When it doesn’t, the pulmonologist tells us to start the paralytic medication and flip them onto their stomach and hope that gravity helps recruit more of their lungs to oxygenate. Prone therapy is working and we are so glad to get their oxygen up into the 90s. We do this for four or five days. They’re not getting better and their blood pressure starts to drop. We start medications for this. It’s not working… their kidneys start to shut down, we start continuous dialysis.

Family comes and hangs onto every piece of hope we can offer. Each 5% decrease in the patient’s oxygen needs is a win. But it’s becoming more and more clear they won’t make it. We talk to their family- we talk about quality of life and what the patient would’ve wanted if we’d exhausted every life saving option. Their family knows they won’t want to live like this; they’ve come to realize they won’t get better. So a decision is made to turn our care from aggressive treatment to making the patient as comfortable as possible in their last hours.

Just a couple days ago, Emmy found herself taking care of Henry (name changed to protect privacy). Covid positive, unvaccinated just because he hadn’t had the time. On the ventilator, 100% oxygen. We’d tried everything. Prone, antivirals, steroids- all of it. But it was obvious he wasn’t going to recover from this. So his family came in and said their goodbyes and made the decision to make him comfortable. The family was appreciative of our care for Henry, but didn’t want to stay with him as he passed away. Respiratory therapy extubated him. Emmy, Emily, and I did what we could to make him comfortable with the morphine and ativan. Emmy held one hand, Emily had the other. I messaged the doctor back and forth to make sure we had what we needed for Henry as he took his last breaths. We stood at Henry’s bedside for minutes. We watched him take a few gasping breaths, we held his hand and turned his pillows. We made sure he wasn’t in pain. Emily and I watched tears slide down Emmy’s face and into her N95. Five minutes later, the monitor read asystole. No heartbeat. No breathing.

Henry was one of too many. Just this yesterday, we lost our patient Penny. Over the months, we’ve lost Gary, Joe, Tommy, Susan, Paulette, Chris, Carry, Richard, and so many more. (Names changed to protect privacy.)

People come to their own conclusions looking at the numbers and survival rates and brush it off. It’s not likely to affect them, so they don’t think too hard about it. Or, maybe it is too much information to process. But from my point of view, I see Henry, Susan, and Joe who didn’t deserve this.

We are so tired. Exhausted. Mentally and emotionally undone…. because we don’t see numbers. I see my patients and their family members. I see the grief and share it with them. Now, there’s a vaccine, which makes this virus preventable and/or so much more mild that patients wouldn’t need the hospital if they did get it. Some of my closest family members continue to decline to get the vaccine and I’m so frustrated and tired and angry.

I am a nurse and I will take care of my patients and be the best advocate no matter who you are or any choices you’ve made… but there’s a way to help, and that way is masking and getting the vaccine. Help us so that maybe we won’t be the one to hold your loved ones hand while they pass away. It’s an honor to be that person for these patients, but right now, it doesn’t have to be this way.

And maybe it’s not only my stories that the community needs to hear. They need to hear the stories of Kat, Sarah, Kellen, Crystal, Paige, Daniela, Katie, Kelsie, Jamie, Haley, Taylor, Sheryl, Natalie, Bre, Matt, and so many more taking care of our community during covid.

Emmy is a CIC nurse taking care of covid patients every day.

“I have participated in a minimum of 2 deaths per day in the last nine days. And one day there were five. In some of these cases, it’s not the doctor having the conversations with the families, it’s me. And somehow I’m the last person they’ll ever speak to while also being the person to listen to their heart beat the last time and tell their wife or husband “they’re gone.” Somehow I’m crying and grieving a person I never knew. Shouting in a dirty utility room. Putting myself in time out so I can walk into the next room while others live comfortably unaware.”

-Emmy, CICU RN

Conversations we have with our patients:

“Hi, my name is Emily, I’m one of the nurses caring for you. Here in a minute there are going to be a lot of people coming to your room. Your oxygen is not staying high enough anymore.”

“No honey, there’s nothing more you can do.”

“If we wait any longer, it will become an emergency and it’s better to do it now while you’re safe.”

“I’m so sorry, we can’t wait for your wife to come. There is no more time.”

“I can’t say how long you will need this.”

“I promise to do everything I can.”

“I’ll tell them you love them.”

And repeat.

Jim maybe this post from a nurses perspective today will explain to you why everyone has been in a reactive catch up mode since this started. But in your pea brain reasoning because Biden came into office with a new vaccine and in his attempt to assure the country he would get it under control, that like magic (only if Trump won right) it would go away. This of course won’t fit into your narrative, but you will of course retort with, hey haven’t I always said this and haven’t I always said that; OMG you are THE most predictable and pathetic person posting on this board.

From a nurse’s eyes

I’ve been surrounded by a lot of different views of the global pandemic. I am entirely full of anger; I’ll do my best to keep all the emotions I’m personally dealing with out of these experiences and thoughts I’m about to share.

In the beginning of the pandemic, we were all scared. We didn’t know what this virus was. We didn’t know how it would affect our lives. I vividly remember the first case we thought we had in our ICU because the chest x-ray read “ground glass opacities.” We didn’t know how to protect ourselves. But time went on. Research was done as quickly as possible to figure out if it was spread via aerosolized particles, droplets, or if it was airborne. Protocols changed quickly within the hospital. Wear a mask, wear an N95… now add eye protection. Now you don’t need an N95 unless your patient is on the bipap or ventilator. Oh but now you only need an N95 if your ventilated patient has gotten an aerosolized treatment or their circuit has broken within the last 69 minutes. Things changed so rapidly because we were learning and gaining new information so quickly, while also trying to preserve resources- we weren’t prepared for this.

Now we’ve been going through this for nearly 19 months. We’ve got more N95s, more PPE, and by December 2020, we were vaccinating healthcare workers, first responders, and high risk patients. Now, you’re information overloaded. Overwhelmed by numbers, statistics, graphics of how many patients are in each hospital, and how many are covid and unvaccinated. You watch the news, you see restrictions implemented in attempts to keep others from being infected. Some see these numbers and graphics showing covid data and think we’re “trying to push an agenda.” But there’s so much more you don’t see. There’s such a limited view into the hospitals. You don’t see nurses sharing their stories, because we protect our patients’ privacy. But more and more, I’m realizing it might be our experiences that speak louder than numbers.

We do everything we can for our patients. Many patients come in short of breath, with low oxygen readings, we put them on oxygen, start medications including antivirals and steroids. But then that oxygen and medication isn’t enough. We keep turning the oxygen up, and up, and up, until we get to the point they have to wear a mask that forces air into their lungs. Soon, even that is not enough. They need to be intubated.

So Emily, RN, our charge nurse for the day, calls their family and tells them we can’t keep their oxygen up and it’s time to be intubated.

Caroline, RN hurries to the med room to grab medications to sedate and paralyze them so that our pulmonologist can intubate safely and quickly. Jessica, our respiratory therapist, grabs her RT friend Salina and they wheel in the ventilator.

Everyone dons their PPE and is ready at the patient’s bedside. Caroline pushes meds, RT handles the airway and tools necessary for intubation. Our pulmonologist intubates them. Angie, our rapid response nurse, records the events from just outside the room with the phone on speaker so she can hear inside.

After successful intubation, we put in a foley catheter, a nasogastric tube (tube in your nose or mouth down to your stomach so we can give you medications and nutrition). We get x-rays and labs. We start continuous sedation so the patient can comfortably tolerate the tube in their mouth that is anchored by a balloon in the trachea. The ventilator settings are immediately increased. When 100% oxygen isn’t keeping their oxygen levels up, we increase the pressure so that their lungs are kept open and hope for better oxygenation. Emily and Caroline hold their hand and watch the monitor hoping for their oxygen to get above 88%. When it doesn’t, the pulmonologist tells us to start the paralytic medication and flip them onto their stomach and hope that gravity helps recruit more of their lungs to oxygenate. Prone therapy is working and we are so glad to get their oxygen up into the 90s. We do this for four or five days. They’re not getting better and their blood pressure starts to drop. We start medications for this. It’s not working… their kidneys start to shut down, we start continuous dialysis.

Family comes and hangs onto every piece of hope we can offer. Each 5% decrease in the patient’s oxygen needs is a win. But it’s becoming more and more clear they won’t make it. We talk to their family- we talk about quality of life and what the patient would’ve wanted if we’d exhausted every life saving option. Their family knows they won’t want to live like this; they’ve come to realize they won’t get better. So a decision is made to turn our care from aggressive treatment to making the patient as comfortable as possible in their last hours.

Just a couple days ago, Emmy found herself taking care of Henry (name changed to protect privacy). Covid positive, unvaccinated just because he hadn’t had the time. On the ventilator, 100% oxygen. We’d tried everything. Prone, antivirals, steroids- all of it. But it was obvious he wasn’t going to recover from this. So his family came in and said their goodbyes and made the decision to make him comfortable. The family was appreciative of our care for Henry, but didn’t want to stay with him as he passed away. Respiratory therapy extubated him. Emmy, Emily, and I did what we could to make him comfortable with the morphine and ativan. Emmy held one hand, Emily had the other. I messaged the doctor back and forth to make sure we had what we needed for Henry as he took his last breaths. We stood at Henry’s bedside for minutes. We watched him take a few gasping breaths, we held his hand and turned his pillows. We made sure he wasn’t in pain. Emily and I watched tears slide down Emmy’s face and into her N95. Five minutes later, the monitor read asystole. No heartbeat. No breathing.

Henry was one of too many. Just this yesterday, we lost our patient Penny. Over the months, we’ve lost Gary, Joe, Tommy, Susan, Paulette, Chris, Carry, Richard, and so many more. (Names changed to protect privacy.)

People come to their own conclusions looking at the numbers and survival rates and brush it off. It’s not likely to affect them, so they don’t think too hard about it. Or, maybe it is too much information to process. But from my point of view, I see Henry, Susan, and Joe who didn’t deserve this.

We are so tired. Exhausted. Mentally and emotionally undone…. because we don’t see numbers. I see my patients and their family members. I see the grief and share it with them. Now, there’s a vaccine, which makes this virus preventable and/or so much more mild that patients wouldn’t need the hospital if they did get it. Some of my closest family members continue to decline to get the vaccine and I’m so frustrated and tired and angry.

I am a nurse and I will take care of my patients and be the best advocate no matter who you are or any choices you’ve made… but there’s a way to help, and that way is masking and getting the vaccine. Help us so that maybe we won’t be the one to hold your loved ones hand while they pass away. It’s an honor to be that person for these patients, but right now, it doesn’t have to be this way.

And maybe it’s not only my stories that the community needs to hear. They need to hear the stories of Kat, Sarah, Kellen, Crystal, Paige, Daniela, Katie, Kelsie, Jamie, Haley, Taylor, Sheryl, Natalie, Bre, Matt, and so many more taking care of our community during covid.

Emmy is a CIC nurse taking care of covid patients every day.

“I have participated in a minimum of 2 deaths per day in the last nine days. And one day there were five. In some of these cases, it’s not the doctor having the conversations with the families, it’s me. And somehow I’m the last person they’ll ever speak to while also being the person to listen to their heart beat the last time and tell their wife or husband “they’re gone.” Somehow I’m crying and grieving a person I never knew. Shouting in a dirty utility room. Putting myself in time out so I can walk into the next room while others live comfortably unaware.”

-Emmy, CICU RN

Conversations we have with our patients:

“Hi, my name is Emily, I’m one of the nurses caring for you. Here in a minute there are going to be a lot of people coming to your room. Your oxygen is not staying high enough anymore.”

“No honey, there’s nothing more you can do.”

“If we wait any longer, it will become an emergency and it’s better to do it now while you’re safe.”

“I’m so sorry, we can’t wait for your wife to come. There is no more time.”

“I can’t say how long you will need this.”

“I promise to do everything I can.”

“I’ll tell them you love them.”

And repeat.

"everyone has been in a reactive catch up mode since this started."

If you believe that, you'd give Trump a break because of it. But the lefties here say he's responsible for what happened, yet Biden somehow isn't.

I don't think Trump or Biden are doing spectacularly good or bad jobs at managing the virus. I'm not sure the president of a huge, free country can do a whole lot. Unlike the lefties, I apply that standard fairly to both men, I don't cherry pick when I apply it and when I don't, based on partisan politics.

Is that so pea brained?

"in his attempt to assure the country he would get it under control"

Is he getting it more under control? Doesn't look like it to me.

COVID was again the leading cause of death among U.S. law enforcement in 2021

A map included in the report indicates that COVID-19-related officer deaths were identified in 32 states, with the highest concentration in California and southern states including Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia and Florida.

Law enforcement groups have pushed back against vaccine mandates
Leaders of some states and localities have even used the lack of a vaccine mandate as an incentive in their efforts to recruit law enforcement officers from other parts of the country.

Firearm and traffic fatalities also increased last year

it's Odd they wear body armor a seat belt ,to protect themselves But many refused to get the shot?

Is he getting it more under control? Doesn't look like it to me.


And who in the GOP or the conservative landscape are trying to Help....

NOT MANY

There were 100% unvaccinated before there was a vaccine. Yet deaths aren't dropping meaningfully, even though, what, 65% are vaccinated?


Jim 99% of those dying are unvaccinated why do you keep missing that part

During the 1st wave the original we locked down during the 1st covid and many states had mask mandates all contributed in reducing Deaths over all

then when the Vaccine came out and the right railed against it and Mask mandates then delta showed and Delta was worse than and more contagious but the right kept beating the anti vax drum yet Vaccines rates increased

Now omicron virus is raging 4x contagious different from Delta but the usual suspects are once again beating the anti virus Mantra saying now it look People who are vaccinated are getting covid (like it's the original ) or back to its no worse than the Flu (if your vaccinated that is) and yet again it's the unvaccinated filling the hospitals beds and Conservatives insisting its all a lie

we see the conspiracy Like covid deaths was being inflated

or they died from pneumonia not covid when in fact that covid caused the pneumonia simplistic excuses now used against Doctors who the right now considers enemies ! who are lying about covid and who dies from covid they need to attack because of their believe in conspiracy theories and all academia
is in on the Fraud

it's a recurring theme in all conservatives arguments

There were 100% unvaccinated before there was a vaccine. Yet deaths aren't dropping meaningfully, even though, what, 65% are vaccinated?


Jim 99% of those dying are unvaccinated why do you keep missing that part

During the 1st wave the original we locked down during the 1st covid and many states had mask mandates all contributed in reducing Deaths over all

then when the Vaccine came out and the right railed against it and Mask mandates then delta showed and Delta was worse than and more contagious but the right kept beating the anti vax drum yet Vaccines rates increased

Now omicron virus is raging 4x contagious different from Delta but the usual suspects are once again beating the anti virus Mantra saying now it look People who are vaccinated are getting covid (like it's the original ) or back to its no worse than the Flu (if your vaccinated that is) and yet again it's the unvaccinated filling the hospitals beds and Conservatives insisting its all a lie

we see the conspiracy Like covid deaths was being inflated

or they died from pneumonia not covid when in fact that covid caused the pneumonia simplistic excuses now used against Doctors who the right now considers enemies ! who are lying about covid and who dies from covid they need to attack because of their believe in conspiracy theories and all academia
is in on the Fraud

it's a recurring theme in all conservatives arguments

i’m not missing anything. i agree with you that most deaths are among the unvaccinated.

but since there were no vaccinated for most of Rrumos time dealing with covid, why are deaths higher now ( when tens of millions are vaccinated) than a year ago?

if vaccines prevent the vaccine vibrates from dying, shouldnt deaths decrease after the availability of the vaccine? there were MORE unvaccinated in 2020 than in 2021. so if this is a pandemic of the unvaccinated, why did deaths increase after half of america got vaccinated?
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And who in the GOP or the conservative landscape are trying to Help....

NOT MANY

OK, here is what you're saying...

In the first year of the virus (2020), Trump was president and the democrats controlled the house. The republicans controlled the senate. You say the deaths were trumps fault. You are saying the president owns the results. Fair enough.

In 2021, Biden is president, and the democrats control both chambers of congress. But the 2021 deaths aren't the president's fault, they are the GOPs fault.

Do you not see how stupid that is? The parties in control change, so you invert your logic so that no matter who is in control of what, bad outcomes are the GOPs fault.

Always, always, always.

Wayne, the democrats control the white house, the house and the senate. And you blame bad outcomes on the GOP?

Is there any conceivable scenario, in which you'd ever say, that a bad outcome was the democrats fault?

WDMSO: The democrats control the entire federal government right now. Therefore, I'll give them credit for all good outcomes. But I'll blame republicans for every single bad outcome.

God you crack me up.

homelessness in san francisco? the gop did it.

crime in Manhattan? the gops fault.

teachers strike in chicago? republicans are to blame.

Imagine that, a whole party thinking they are victims.
Wonder where they would get that idea?

Imagine that, a whole party thinking they are victims.
Wonder where they would get that idea?

democrats...

Imagine that, a whole party thinking they are victims.
Wonder where they would get that idea?

get back to me after the november election, ask me if republicans are victims.

pete, why do you call it when someone blames bad covid outcomes on the president when the president is a republican…but blames the republicans for bad covid outcomes when the democrats control the entire federal government. i think that’s hysterical and absurd. i never said it makes me a victim.

what’s your record for most consecutive posts where you responded to something no one said?
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democrats...

seriously!
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get back to me after the november election, ask me if republicans are victims.

pete, why do you call it when someone blames bad covid outcomes on the president when the president is a republican…but blames the republicans for bad covid outcomes when the democrats control the entire federal government. i think that’s hysterical and absurd. i never said it makes me a victim.

what’s your record for most consecutive posts where you responded to something no one said?
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Poor victim, constant projection from you and yours

Your ilk that yelled “Stop the Steal”, forged documents in a literal attempt to STEAL the election.

Anytime you hear a “rise in crime” or “spike in shootings,” remember: whatever they claim, is happening despite investing the most in policing in the history of the world. A brutal indictment of the efficacy of policing. Yet police are using their pathetic failures to demand more?

The GOP spent decades building a perpetual misinformation machine that was designed to radicalize their supporters, and now some are acting surprised that the people they radicalized have taken over their party.

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Poor victim, constant projection from you and yours

Your ilk that yelled “Stop the Steal”, forged documents in a literal attempt to STEAL the election.

Anytime you hear a “rise in crime” or “spike in shootings,” remember: whatever they claim, is happening despite investing the most in policing in the history of the world. A brutal indictment of the efficacy of policing. Yet police are using their pathetic failures to demand more?

The GOP spent decades building a perpetual misinformation machine that was designed to radicalize their supporters, and now some are acting surprised that the people they radicalized have taken over their party.

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i asked a simple straightforward question. you fled from it.
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Lovely people in the Floriduh DeathSantis administration, no wonder Trumplicans want to move there

John Kuczwanski, a Florida state agency spokesperson, was shot and killed during a road rage incident. Witnesses say he rammed his BMW into a Prius and then shot a gun at the car. The driver of the Prius drew a gun and fired back, killing him.
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Lovely people in the Floriduh DeathSantis administration, no wonder Trumplicans want to move there

John Kuczwanski, a Florida state agency spokesperson, was shot and killed during a road rage incident. Witnesses say he rammed his BMW into a Prius and then shot a gun at the car. The driver of the Prius drew a gun and fired back, killing him.
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that sure proves it. one bad apple, a guy no one has ever heard of.

FL is doomed now. Doomed.

What did you do, do a google search of “i desperately need to know of FL state employees who did bad things”?


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that sure proves it. one bad apple, a guy no one has ever heard of.

FL is doomed now. Doomed.

What did you do, do a google search of “i desperately need to know of FL state employees who did bad things”?


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it's still being investigated, if you read the story it's a little bizarre, should probably wait till the police get witness stories and look at cameras from the area...or pete could just use it to condemn florida(we've seen this many times)

Gee, a kook in Florida, there's a surprise. Never heard of such a thing :rolleyes:
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Gee, a kook in Florida, there's a surprise. Never heard of such a thing :rolleyes:
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Lord knows there are no kooks in blue states like NY and CA. All the kooks are in Flori-duh.
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Lord knows there are no kooks in blue states like NY and CA. All the kooks are in Flori-duh.
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Aaaahh......homes to both David Berkowitz and Charles Manson :hihi:
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Aaaahh......homes to both David Berkowitz and Charles Manson :hihi:
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and Andrew Cuomo, if we want to limit the discussion to kooks who are part of the state government.
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OK, here is what you're saying...

In the first year of the virus (2020), Trump was president and the democrats controlled the house. The republicans controlled the senate. You say the deaths were trumps fault. You are saying the president owns the results. Fair enough.

In 2021, Biden is president, and the democrats control both chambers of congress. But the 2021 deaths aren't the president's fault, they are the GOPs fault.

Do you not see how stupid that is? The parties in control change, so you invert your logic so that no matter who is in control of what, bad outcomes are the GOPs fault.

Always, always, always.

Wayne, the democrats control the white house, the house and the senate. And you blame bad outcomes on the GOP?

Is there any conceivable scenario, in which you'd ever say, that a bad outcome was the democrats fault?

WDMSO: The democrats control the entire federal government right now. Therefore, I'll give them credit for all good outcomes. But I'll blame republicans for every single bad outcome.

God you crack me up.

homelessness in san francisco? the gop did it.

crime in Manhattan? the gops fault.

teachers strike in chicago? republicans are to blame.


Again what party is fighting all things vaccine and masked related things to curb covid


THE GOP! Your in denial with the rest of the GOP but its about freedom

Gee, a kook in Florida, there's a surprise. Never heard of such a thing :rolleyes:
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John Kuczwanski thought it was Fauci in the prius

Again what party is fighting all things vaccine and masked related things to curb covid


THE GOP! Your in denial with the rest of the GOP but its about freedom

i’ve said 1,000 times that it’s embarrassing to me that the gop has such low vaccination rates.

i can criticize my side when we deserve it. you can’t, not once, not ever.
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John Kuczwanski thought it was Fauci in the prius

pretty sure Fauchenstein drives a big Caddy...

pretty sure Fauchenstein drives a big Caddy...

with a vanity plate for sure.
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A Republican member of Congress drew swift condemnation Wednesday after comparing D.C.'s upcoming vaccine mandate to Nazi Germany — marking the latest instance in which a GOP lawmaker has chosen to compare measures intended to quell a public health emergency to Nazi practices that culminated in the genocide of millions of Jews.

He posted this on Twitter

looks like he tried to Apologize

"For my Jewish Friends, and all others, my sincere apologies," Davidson, a Republican from Troy, tweeted.

what about people he asserted were Nazi's no Apologize

A Republican member of Congress drew swift condemnation Wednesday after comparing D.C.'s upcoming vaccine mandate to Nazi Germany — marking the latest instance in which a GOP lawmaker has chosen to compare measures intended to quell a public health emergency to Nazi practices that culminated in the genocide of millions of Jews.

He posted this on Twitter

looks like he tried to Apologize

"For my Jewish Friends, and all others, my sincere apologies," Davidson, a Republican from Troy, tweeted.

what about people he asserted were Nazi's no Apologize

now biden said in tv this week that if you’re not on his side of voting reform, you’re George Wallace. When will he apologize?

Meanwhile a large majority of americans support voter id laws. does that make them segregationists wayne?

it’s wrong for a republican to broadly call the other side nazis, but ok when biden calls the other side segregationists?

here, let me answer for you: “false equivalence”.
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A Republican member of Congress marking the latest instance in which a GOP lawmaker has chosen to compare measures to Nazi practices that culminated in the genocide of millions of Jews.



democrats never do this....

now biden said in tv this week that if you’re not on his side of voting reform, you’re George Wallace.

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there are a bunch of democrat members of congress who oppose him on this who are apparently quite racist

Meanwhile a large majority of americans support voter id laws.

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yeah but it's apparently harder to get an id than it is to get vaxxed twice, boosted once(for now), get a recent negative test and then provide all of that to order a hamburger

They lied to their base and killed tens of thousands just to be able to deliver the line Steve Scalise said today, "more people have died under President Biden's watch."

That's today's GOP.
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They lied to their base and killed tens of thousands just to be able to deliver the line Steve Scalise said today, "more people have died under President Biden's watch."

That's today's GOP.
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didnt Paul S very recently post a trump quote, where Trump praised vaccines and bragged that he was vaccinated and boosted?
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They lied to their base and killed tens of thousands just to be able to deliver the line Steve Scalise said today, "more people have died under President Biden's watch."

That's today's GOP.

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ingenious....

Amazing how coincidentally this happened but he bears no responsibility at all. 🤡

Since last May, people living in counties that voted heavily for Trump have been nearly three times as likely to die from covid as those who live in areas that went for Biden.
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Amazing how coincidentally this happened but he bears no responsibility at all. 🤡

Since last May, people living in counties that voted heavily for Trump have been nearly three times as likely to die from covid as those who live in areas that went for Biden.
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even more brilliant killing their own voters to hurt brandon:rollem:

Amazing how coincidentally this happened but he bears no responsibility at all. 🤡

Since last May, people living in counties that voted heavily for Trump have been nearly three times as likely to die from covid as those who live in areas that went for Biden.
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Pete, Trump is pro vaccine. He’s encouraging people to get vaccinated. So by what possible logic, could you say it’s his fault that republicans have low vaccination rates?

Is there anything in your kind that’s not Trumps fault?
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It isn’t everyday you can say thousands of Americans will likely die because of what the Supreme Court justices ruled. But today is such a day.
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It isn’t everyday you can say thousands of Americans will likely die because of what the Supreme Court justices ruled. But today is such a day.
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it’s not their job to save lives. it’s their job to strike down that which violates the constitution.

Take a middle school civics class.

here’s Trump on the vaccine:

“the vaccine works, people aren’t dying who take the vaccine.”

yet you blame him for people not taking the vaccine.

that’s not crazy.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/12/23/politics/trump-vaccine-covid-effectiveness/index.html
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Pete, Trump is pro vaccine. He’s encouraging people to get vaccinated. So by what possible logic, could you say it’s his fault that republicans have low vaccination rates?

Is there anything in your kind that’s not Trumps fault?
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Just a coincidence, huh?

The GOP spent decades building a perpetual misinformation machine that was designed to radicalize their supporters, and now some are acting surprised that the people they radicalized have taken over their party.


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Just a coincidence, huh?

The GOP spent decades building a perpetual misinformation machine that was designed to radicalize their supporters, and now some are acting surprised that the people they radicalized have taken over their party.


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i don’t know who said that nonsense about the misinformation machine.

trump is on video saying the vaccine saves lives.

So for the second time, please explain how he is the reason why people aren’t getting vaccinated.

It’s fact that republicans have very poor vaccination rates. But what’s the evidence it’s trumps fault, if he’s telling people
to get vaccinated?

You’re denying facts that don’t serve your Narrative.

I hate that republicans have low vaccination rates. it makes my side
look stupid. But i can still
admit that fact, because i’m not crazy.

You hate that Trump is pro vaccine. You can’t admit that fact, because you are crazy. crazy with TDS.
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It’s always sorta kinda with your man

“I would recommend it, and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don’t want to get it, and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly,” he said during the Tuesday phone interview. “It is a great vaccine. It is a safe vaccine and it is something that works.”

But Trump’s endorsement was not unequivocal. Immediately after recommending his supporters get vaccinated, Trump offered an apologia for those who refuse, saying, “we have our freedoms, and we have to live by that. And I agree with that also.”

“Die with your nose tubes in.” The 21st Century GOP definition of freedom.
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now biden said in tv this week that if you’re not on his side of voting reform, you’re George Wallace. When will he apologize?

Yes jim Biden said something that butt hurt Republicans , it's funny what you excuse as hyperbole in others AKA Trump and the GOP is always seen an taken as 100x serious from Biden (cancer handling covid ) to name a few

let's take a historical view of elected Republicans use of threats incendiary rhetoric secession and seditious language ... you will see a list 3x longer from republicans than the Democrats but you'll once again present the defense both sides do it

Meanwhile a large majority of americans support voter id laws. does that make them segregationists wayne?


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Jim Meanwhile a large majority of americans support More Gun Control hows that working? An August 2019 Fox News poll of registered voters found 90% of respondents favored universal background checks, 81% supported taking guns from at-risk individuals, and 67% favored banning assault weapons. According to a Pew Research Center poll, "roughly half of Americans (53%) favor stricter gun laws

Public Supports Both Early Voting And Requiring Photo ID to Vote you are correct but you are missing the rest of the story

A large majority (71%) of the public feels in-person early voting should generally be made easier. Just 16% say it should be made harder. Opinion is more divided on voting by mail – 50% say this should be made easier and 39% say it should be made harder. At the same time, fully 4 in 5 Americans (80%) support requiring voters to show photo identification in order to cast a ballot. Just 18% oppose this.
If the voting thing was just about Voter ID maybe would have a valid
Point

the GOP is AGAINST anything that increase participaction.. why they are against a having a voting holiday, drop boxes, early voting, automatic voter enrolment , mail in ballots and expanding forms of voter ID ? why not get involved in these Bill ?

we know the answer because they can't because the base can't accept losing ! SO Trump and the GOP have convinced this Base they lost because of Fraud, no Id ,drop boxes ,early voting ,mail in voting even the voting Machines are in on the Steal . and real Americans vote in person..

And many of these people who are against making voting easier. will just use doordash ... for Burger king for its convenience?

It’s always sorta kinda with your man

“I would recommend it, and I would recommend it to a lot of people that don’t want to get it, and a lot of those people voted for me, frankly,” he said during the Tuesday phone interview. “It is a great vaccine. It is a safe vaccine and it is something that works.”

But Trump’s endorsement was not unequivocal. Immediately after recommending his supporters get vaccinated, Trump offered an apologia for those who refuse, saying, “we have our freedoms, and we have to live by that. And I agree with that also.”

“Die with your nose tubes in.” The 21st Century GOP definition of freedom.
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the second half of his comment is obviously targeted at mandates. not at vaccines.

i’m 100% in favor of the vaccine. but the mandate seems unconstitutional.

those are two distinct things.

no kinda sorta. Trump is opposed to federal mandates, but recommends we all freely choose to get vaccinated.

why is he “my man”, when i say he’s a horrible person and i hope he never runs again?

only you guys would say that makes him “my man”.

your man, is wrapping up one of the worst first years any president has ever had. and this past week, it doesn’t get much worse.
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Jim Meanwhile a large majority of americans support More con Control hows that working?



????

our leftist friends here becoming increasingly as incoherent as brandon and president harris.....

your man, is wrapping up one of the worst first years any president has ever had. and this past week, it doesn’t get much worse.

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hold his beer...he's just getting started:bl:

the second half of his comment is obviously targeted at mandates. not at vaccines.

i’m 100% in favor of the vaccine. but the mandate seems unconstitutional.

those are two distinct things.

no kinda sorta. Trump is opposed to federal mandates, but recommends we all freely choose to get vaccinated.

why is he “my man”, when i say he’s a horrible person and i hope he never runs again?

only you guys would say that makes him “my man”.

your man, is wrapping up one of the worst first years any president has ever had. and this past week, it doesn’t get much worse.
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One Year In, Biden’s Approval Rating Is In Trouble — Only Trump’s Was Lower
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One Year In, Biden’s Approval Rating Is In Trouble — Only Trump’s Was Lower
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yes but democrats and the media and government partisans viciously attacked trump from day 1 of his administration....biden has been fondled and propped up for the past year and is still a disaster:rotflmao:

It isn’t everyday you can say thousands of Americans will likely die because of what the Supreme Court justices ruled. But today is such a day.
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to be Honest I never thought the 100 person business mandate was going to be up held ..

But I think with how the nation has seen the effects of covid 1st hand many many business. will be making the vaccine a condition of employment for a whole host of reasons .

This ruling only applied to the Fed Government mandate not private business many whom have all ready made it a condition of employmnet

Hey Pete, didn't you claim that America's inferior health system results in Americans having poorer overall health than the other advanced countries?

By that metric, it stands to reason that Americans would die at a higher rate from Covid than other countries because Covid deaths are mostly a result of co-morbidities, and our crappy health system results in more co-morbidities.

Or maybe it's the crappy way Americans take care of themselves, more than the health system, that is the problem.

Or maybe it's the crappy way Americans take care of themselves, more than the health system, that is the problem.



yup....if we're being honest this is a pandemic of the fat costing the healthcare system a fortune...we need federal mandates to make people diet and exercise or face hefty(see what I did there) fines and lose their jobs, maybe put them in camps till they comply....it's like seat belts for drivers of automobiles....need to stop these people from killing themselves as they speed through life in their oversized suv bodies....need to slim them down to compacts...and it will be better for the environment

Hey Pete, didn't you claim that America's inferior health system results in Americans having poorer overall health than the other advanced countries?

By that metric, it stands to reason that Americans would die at a higher rate from Covid than other countries because Covid deaths are mostly a result of co-morbidities, and our crappy health system results in more co-morbidities.

Or maybe it's the crappy way Americans take care of themselves, more than the health system, that is the problem.

Americans health issues are real, on both an individual and system level.

But you’re thinking that the reason counties that supported Trump have higher death rates is because of Whale Team Six?
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But you’re thinking that the reason counties that supported Trump have higher death rates is because of Whale Team Six?

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you keep assuming that the people that died in counties that supported trump are trump supporters...but you don't know that unless the counties are 100% trump voters..which is highly unlikely

you keep assuming that the people that died in counties that supported trump are trump supporters...but you don't know that unless the counties are 100% trump voters..which is highly unlikely

Wow
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good news pete...you freaked out over nothing...again


Florida officials confirmed last week that between 800,000 and 1 million COVID tests had expired in a warehouse just before the New Year due to "low demand." On January 7, the Food and Drug Administration issued a letter to Abbott Diagnostics, who produced the tests, saying that they have extended the shelf-life for those tests, and that they can still be used.

Americans health issues are real, on both an individual and system level.

But you’re thinking that the reason counties that supported Trump have higher death rates is because of Whale Team Six?
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If Americans health is overall worse than the health of those in other advanced countries, then it very much stands to reason that would be a major contributing factor of why American death rates from/with Covid would be higher than in those other countries. Disregarding that and trying to pin the blame on politics or the President is worse than merely being disingenuous.

good news pete...you freaked out over nothing...again


Florida officials confirmed last week that between 800,000 and 1 million COVID tests had expired in a warehouse just before the New Year due to "low demand." On January 7, the Food and Drug Administration issued a letter to Abbott Diagnostics, who produced the tests, saying that they have extended the shelf-life for those tests, and that they can still be used.

Didn’t you claim that they had expired last fall?
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Didn’t you claim that they had expired last fall?
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Yes…and now the manufacturer has extended the shelf life. I believe they originally expired in the spring. it would not be hard for you to find that information
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Poor Brett from Hero to Zero

The conservative knives come out for Brett Kavanaugh

Tucker Carlson Thursday night muttering that Kavanaugh was a “cringing little liberal.”

Trump Jr. The left broke Kavanaugh. That was always their intention and it worked.
They turned him into a Roberts.


Honestly, Roberts and Kavanaugh didn’t have a backbone on that decision — that’s the bottom line,” said DeSantis, who has been among the GOP’s foremost critics of vaccine mandates.


Classic GOP expecting allegiance from the HIGHEST COURT. Yet : The law be dammed :cheers:

Poor Brett from Hero to Zero

The conservative knives come out for Brett Kavanaugh

Tucker Carlson Thursday night muttering that Kavanaugh was a “cringing little liberal.”

Trump Jr. The left broke Kavanaugh. That was always their intention and it worked.
They turned him into a Roberts.


Honestly, Roberts and Kavanaugh didn’t have a backbone on that decision — that’s the bottom line,” said DeSantis, who has been among the GOP’s foremost critics of vaccine mandates.


Classic GOP expecting allegiance from the HIGHEST COURT. Yet : The law be dammed :cheers:

we should respect when public officials put partisan loyalties aside and do what they think is right.

Right, wayne ?

that’s why no democrats are criticizing Manchin or Sinema.

as always, it’s ok when democrats do it, but bad when republicans do it.

false equivalence”, right?
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Funny that you bring up the Koch’s best investments, a Manchin in WV and a Synema in Arizona
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Funny that you bring up the Koch’s best investments, a Manchin in WV and a Synema in Arizona
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Sort of like Soros's investment in A.G.'s and Secretaries of State in various key state legislatures.

Sort of like Soros's investment in A.G.'s and Secretaries of State in various key state legislatures.

You cite unsubstantiated right wing tropes

Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), two lawmakers who have insisted on shrinking Biden’s domestic legislative priorities, are reaping the benefits for their actions in the form of lucrative campaign donations from Republican donors — many of whom have never given to Democrats before.
And there are receipts
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Back to Covid
AZ had over 20,000 new cases of COVID on Friday, and the state has officially requested President Biden send military paramedics to help with overflowing hospitals. The Stable Genius Donald Trump is having a mask-free rally there today.
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You cite unsubstantiated right wing tropes

Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), two lawmakers who have insisted on shrinking Biden’s domestic legislative priorities, are reaping the benefits for their actions in the form of lucrative campaign donations from Republican donors — many of whom have never given to Democrats before.
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So Manchin and Sinema didn't get donations from Democrat donors before? Did Manchin and Sinema simply decide that they'd rather get donations from Republican donors?

So the other Dem Senators only vote Dem because they get money from Dem donors?

If Manchin and Sinema really want to get more money from Repub donors, they should just switch parties.

You cite unsubstantiated right wing tropes

Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.) and Kyrsten Sinema (D-Ariz.), two lawmakers who have insisted on shrinking Biden’s domestic legislative priorities, are reaping the benefits for their actions in the form of lucrative campaign donations from Republican donors — many of whom have never given to Democrats before.
And there are receipts
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Manchin and Sinema are supposed to represent their constituents, not to help joe biden. the voters in those states get to decide.

whenever conservatives lean
left, the left says they’re heroes.

but when liberals lean right? the left attacks them as traitors.
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Back to Covid
AZ had over 20,000 new cases of COVID on Friday, and the state has officially requested President Biden send military paramedics to help with overflowing hospitals. The Stable Genius Donald Trump is having a mask-free rally there today.
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Number of cases no longer matters, 90% of us are going to get this.

me, my wife, and three kids are all
fully vaccinated, including boosters for my wife and i.

me, my wife, and two of my kids tested positive in the last few days. feels like a moderate cold
to all of us. nowhere near as bad as the flu.

we did everything right, and 80% of us have it in my house.

case counts mean absolutely nothing, because vaccines and masks don’t prevent this strain.

deaths are all that matters.
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AZ had over 20,000 new cases of COVID on Friday, and the state has officially requested President Biden send military paramedics to help with overflowing hospitals. The Stable Genius Donald Trump is having a mask-free rally there today.
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Relax Pete. Covid is in its dying phase, slipping from pandemic phase to endemic phase. The nastier strains have pretty much disappeared, replaced by a weaker version and herd immunity is gradually being achieved to the point where it'll be like the flue. Like the flue, shots every year especially for the elderly and immune compromised.

Probably happen in time for the 2024 election, or maybe even before the 2022 midterms. So you won't have to worry about Trump or the Republicans, and we can proceed to an unlimited central governing power which can't be stopped from delivering your desired universal health care, gun control, anytime abortion on demand, unimpeded immigration illegal or otherwise, the various Marxist/Post Modern Critical Theories practiced in our commercial and public arenas, and the death of Bannon Capitalism----

The utopian Progressive merge into a war ending and universal public and private equity producing global governance.

It's all just around the corner. You will have fought the good fight and won it for the blessed sake of your children.

Back to Covid
AZ had over 20,000 new cases of COVID on Friday, and the state has officially requested President Biden send military paramedics to help with overflowing hospitals.

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PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) -- Staffing continues to be a top concern for Arizona hospitals.

"To me, it's the biggest thing that keeps me up at night," said Dr. Joshua LaBaer, director of ASU's Biodesign Institute. "That's the biggest scare. There are empty beds, but there's no one to staff the beds, and that's the big concern."


Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees, including in Arizona

Dec 31, 2021 Updated Jan 5, 2022

Nursing shortages compounding Southern Arizona health care crisis
More than 240 jobs are open at St. Joseph’s and St. Mary’s hospitals.

Northwest Health? More than 400 between its three hospitals, multiple clinics and now, a fourth hospital, Northwest Medical Center Houghton, which is scheduled to open next year.

At Banner Health’s Tucson locations there are 454 vacant posts, and more than 400 jobs are available at Tucson Medical Center.

Of these 1,500 or so openings, which include laboratory techs, radiology workers, housekeepers and other support services, the greatest number of vacancies continues by far to be for what the community needs most: nurses.

There are roughly 600 nursing vacancies in Tucson right now.

Around 1,900 deaths are being announced each day, a 50 percent increase over the last two weeks.
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Love this

Number of cases no longer matters, 90% of us are going to get this.

Their are people who have gotten Covid the original delta and omicron
And vaccinated…. You must be a rand Paul fan and his natural immunity stump speech

And this right wing taking point Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees, including in Arizona


That has zero to do with staging shortages. Hospitals have kept staffing at the bare minimum for decades (. Profit!) then Covid hits mass retirements across the country after the 1st Covid wave then the 2nd and NOW floods the hospitals again with patients

And conservatives suggest it’s because they fired people who wouldn’t get the vaccinated… Pay attention this issue of shortage of nurses is nation wide and it follows the infections from state to state but this time this new highly contagious variant is just infecting more people faster across the country at the same time . PS an RN can’t just become an ICU nurse or an OR nurse or maternity Nurse, some like to think that’s how it works

Supply and demand strikes again

Love this

Number of cases no longer matters, 90% of us are going to get this. this is what we are being told by the media and political/medical experts as tehy change the narrative, aren't you paying attention?..first we couldn't get it or we would die so inject...now everyone is going to get it so inject.....

Their are people who have gotten Covid the original delta and omicron
And vaccinated…. You must be a rand Paul fan and his natural immunity stump speech

And this right wing taking point Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees, including in Arizona


That has zero to do with staging shortages. if you fire a bunch of people and then you don't have enough people to do the work...yeah, probably has nothing to do with firing people....are you drunk?


Hospitals have kept staffing at the bare minimum for decades (. Profit!) then Covid hits mass retirements across the country after the 1st Covid wave then the 2nd and NOW floods the hospitals again with patients

And conservatives suggest it’s because they fired people who wouldn’t get the vaccinated… Pay attention this issue of shortage of nurses is nation wide and it follows the infections from state to state but this time this new highly contagious variant is just infecting more people faster across the country at the same time . PS an RN can’t just become an ICU nurse or an OR nurse or maternity Nurse, some like to think that’s how it works nobody ever said this but you

Supply and demand strikes again

now you can be vaccinated and infected and go to your job at the hospital with the most transmissible form of the virus to date....it's almost like they want everyone to get it...:rolleyes: I wonder how many go to the hospital, not because they need to...but because they've been terrified by the media for so long that getting it means they'll die

Around 1,900 deaths are being announced each day, a 50 percent increase over the last two weeks.
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I'm sure brandon will end covid soon.....

Back to Covid
AZ had over 20,000 new cases of COVID on Friday,
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no mention of California's 120,000 Friday?..

no mention of California's 120,000 Friday?..

doesn’t serve the narrative.
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Love this

Number of cases no longer matters, 90% of us are going to get this.

Their are people who have gotten Covid the original delta and omicron
And vaccinated…. You must be a rand Paul fan and his natural immunity stump speech

And this right wing taking point Mayo Clinic fires 700 unvaccinated employees, including in Arizona


That has zero to do with staging shortages. Hospitals have kept staffing at the bare minimum for decades (. Profit!) then Covid hits mass retirements across the country after the 1st Covid wave then the 2nd and NOW floods the hospitals again with patients

And conservatives suggest it’s because they fired people who wouldn’t get the vaccinated… Pay attention this issue of shortage of nurses is nation wide and it follows the infections from state to state but this time this new highly contagious variant is just infecting more people faster across the country at the same time . PS an RN can’t just become an ICU nurse or an OR nurse or maternity Nurse, some like to think that’s how it works

Supply and demand strikes again

i don’t think the president or governors any longer have much control about keeping case counts low. the data seems to support that, as case counts are exploding all over the country.

if you disagree, that means you’re saying case counts are still in our control? if you believe that, then since cases are skyrocketing, doesn’t that mean biden is failing?

your comprehension is so bad, you’re not able to see that i was giving biden a free pass for what’s happening right now. fine. you therefore think he’s doing a miserable job.

vaccines do almost nothing to keep
people from catching the omicron variant. vaccines do help, in that they help prevent you from getting very sick.

nothing can stop case counts right now, until it fizzles out. that’s not a right wing talking point. if i was spewing partisan babble, i’d be blaming biden which i’m not.

you really, really stink at talking about this stuff.

is there any data which says the vaccines put a good dent in case counts of the omicron variant? huge numbers of vaccinated people are getting covid now. but as you’ve pointed out, they don’t often get very sick.

case counts no longer matter. almost all of us are going to get it, unless you don’t leave your house.
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The United States is now reporting 158,263 current coronavirus hospitalizations, the highest number since the pandemic began, according to data from the Department of Health and Human Services.

There’s detailed data on 3rd shots and vaccines from Alberta.

Essentially: “The hospitalization rate among 3x-vaccinated 80+ year olds is lower than the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated 12-29-year-olds.”
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vaccines do help, in that they help prevent you from getting very sick.


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keep in mind that omicron is pretty mild for most people which is likely the biggest reason people aren't getting very sick....not sure if we can say that for healthy people it keeps them from getting very sick...there is no way to measure that....

I was listening to a public issues show this morning...apparently some of the biggest surges hospitals are now seeing are eating disorders and mental health issues....

I know some unvaxxed people that got it...it was very mild for them...that's not to say it doesn't cause problems for other folks obviously(settle down pete)

I read an article from pete's state recently that said emergency rooms there were being swamped because people were doing the at-home test, getting a positive and then racing to the emergency room, probably worried they were about to die

The United States is now reporting 158,263 current coronavirus hospitalizations, the highest number since the pandemic began, according to data from the Department of Health and Human Services.

There’s detailed data on 3rd shots and vaccines from Alberta.

Essentially: “The hospitalization rate among 3x-vaccinated 80+ year olds is lower than the hospitalization rate among unvaccinated 12-29-year-olds.”
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Europe’s drug regulator warns excessive COVID boosters could lead to ‘problems with immune response,’ joining WHO in pushback

DAVID MEYER
January 12, 2022

keep boosting pete.....I think you can get another one in a month or two....

no mention of California's 120,000 Friday?..

And I didn’t mention lots of other states either

Az population 7.5M
Ca population 40M
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And I didn’t mention lots of other states either

Az population 7.5M
Ca population 40M
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yeah but you'd think you'd go with the one with the most, the one that REALLY stood out....instead of picking one at random down in the pack

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AZ had over 20,000 new cases of COVID on Friday, and the state has officially requested President Biden send military paramedics to help with overflowing hospitals. The Stable Genius Donald Trump is having a mask-free rally there today.
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You just keep wondering
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You just keep wondering
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keep cherry picking

Europe’s drug regulator warns excessive COVID boosters could lead to ‘problems with immune response,’ joining WHO in pushback

DAVID MEYER
January 12, 2022

keep boosting pete.....I think you can get another one in a month or two....

the entire statement

On Tuesday, EMA vaccine strategy chief Marco Cavaleri said there was still no data supporting the need for a fourth COVID vaccine dose. And even if multiple boosters do prove to be necessary, they would need to be spaced out in the style of annual flu jabs, rather than delivered every several months. He also warned that overly frequent booster doses could potentially lead to "problems with immune response."

thanks for the whole story

we should respect when public officials put partisan loyalties aside and do what they think is right.

Right, wayne ?

that’s why no democrats are criticizing Manchin or Sinema.

as always, it’s ok when democrats do it, but bad when republicans do it.

false equivalence”, right?
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thank you jim for another episode of Everythings equal


Criticism is fine but that's not what Tucker or Ron were doing is it ..

they want a SC Judge to rule with partisan loyalties ...

it's not remotely close to expecting Manchin or Sinema. backing a Democratic legislation...

Get back to me when what happened to Liz happens to Manchin or Sinema

thank you jim for another episode of Everythings equal


Criticism is fine but that's not what Tucker or Ron were doing is it ..

they want a SC Judge to rule with partisan loyalties ...

it's not remotely close to expecting Manchin or Sinema. backing a Democratic legislation...

Get back to me when what happened to Liz happens to Manchin or Sinema

and the entire democratic party wants Manchin and Sinema to fall in line.

The GOP had a minor civil war. The Bush/Cheney wing lost. it happens.

the democrats are also having a civil
war between moderates and progressives. it’s still being waged. it’s a riot to behold.

i’m. it saying these things are identical. But they’re comparable.

and as always with you, you attack republicans for doing things which don’t bother you when liberals
do it. because you have zero principles.

you whine when conservatives speak out against fellow conservatives who break ranks. but you can’t utter a syllable of criticism when the left speaks out against fellow liberals who break ranks.

as always, it’s only problematic when republicans do it.

Maxine Waters said publicly that Sinema and Manchin don’t care about black people. Go ahead and defend that. Waters called them racists.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/maxine-waters-attacks-manchin-sinema-over-voting-bill-says-they-dont-care-about-black-people.amp

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and the entire democratic party wants Manchin and Sinema to fall in line.

The GOP had a minor civil war. The Bush/Cheney wing lost. it happens.

the democrats are also having a civil
war between moderates and progressives. it’s still being waged. it’s a riot to behold.

i’m. it saying these things are identical. But they’re comparable.

and as always with you, you attack republicans for doing things which don’t bother you when liberals
do it. because you have zero principles.

you whine when conservatives speak out against fellow conservatives who break ranks. but you can’t utter a syllable of criticism when the left speaks out against fellow liberals who break ranks.

as always, it’s only problematic when republicans do it.

Maxine Waters said publicly that Sinema and Manchin don’t care about black people. Go ahead and defend that. Waters called them racists.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/maxine-waters-attacks-manchin-sinema-over-voting-bill-says-they-dont-care-about-black-people.amp

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JIM all that ^^^ and you Avoid Bretts a SC justice and how conservatives want his head

and pivot to Blacks and Sinema and Manchin? again as if the 2 are remotely the same


Trump told the journalist he is very upset with Kavanaugh’s record so far, arguing he doesn’t have “the courage you need to be a great justice.”

“I saved his life,” Trump said of Kavanaugh. “He wouldn't even be in a law firm. Who would have had him? Nobody. Totally disgraced. Only I saved him.” that's not looking for quid pro quo is it?

just like the dems ya ok :kewl:

heres another Trump now trying to distance himself from Picking Brett

now he is blaming Mark Meadows classic Trump

Meadows Talked Trump Out of Yanking Kavanaugh for 'I Liked Beer' Remark

Silly, Sinema thinks she’s going to be President and Manchin is in it for his family’s fortune.
That’s why Sinema has no chance of being re-elected and her delusional idea that she’s the centrist candidate for President is just that, delusional.

West Virginia is ranked where it is among states because Manchin cares about his pocketbook while his state ranks in the bottom 5 in almost every data point.
Taxes are cheap there and nobody has teeth, it’s your kinda place.
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JIM all that and you Avoid Bretts a SC justice and how conservatives want his head

and pivot to Blacks and Sinema and Manchin again as if the 2 are remotely the same

Trump told the journalist he is very upset with Kavanaugh’s record so far, arguing he doesn’t have “the courage you need to be a great justice.”

“I saved his life,” Trump said of Kavanaugh. “He wouldn't even be in a law firm. Who would have had him? Nobody. Totally disgraced. Only I saved him.” thats not looking for quid pro quo is it?

just like the dems ya ok :kewl:

you, not me, criticized republicans for going after their own for not towing them karts line. but as always, you refuse to hold democrats to the same standard.

i made no comment about either side, other than to say they’re either both right or both wrong.

i like kavanaugh a lot. i won’t agree with every single decision he makes, and that’s ok, but i like the guy. for sure he’s not the rapist your side desperately tries to make him out to be.

i don’t especially like manchin or sinema, but i like what they’re doing with the fillibuster.

and i think those who attack their own for thinking for themselves once in awhile, are wrong to do so. it’s wrong for republicans to do it, and it’s equally wrong for democrats rats to do it.

good luck finding any hypocrisy there.
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What happens at Georgetown stays at Georgetown, I like beer was never over the line drunk and F.B.I. assistant director, Jill C. Tyson, said that the most “relevant” of the 4,500 tips the agency received during an investigation into Mr. Kavanaugh’s past were referred to White House lawyers in the Trump administration, whose handling of them remains unclear.

The letter left uncertain whether the F.B.I. itself followed up on the most compelling leads. The agency was conducting a background check rather than a criminal investigation, meaning that “the authorities, policies, and procedures used to investigate criminal matters did not apply,” the letter said.

That’s plenty of due diligence for a lifetime appointment 🤡
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Now it seems Ron’s sees the benefit of kowtowing to his anti vaccine and pro freedom crowd Paying Trump as pro vaccine and anti freedom and blamed "people like" Dr. Anthony Fauci

The new darling of the MAGA universe he’ll lie and lie for a vote and they will love him for it:kewl:

Now it seems Ron’s sees the benefit of kowtowing to his anti vaccine and pro freedom crowd Paying Trump as pro vaccine and anti freedom and blamed "people like" Dr. Anthony Fauci

The new darling of the MAGA universe he’ll lie and lie for a vote and they will love him for it:kewl:

trump has said he is vaccinated, has said the vaccines are saving a ton of lives.

how is he not pro vaccine?
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