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detbuch

01-04-2023, 07:31 PM

After 4 years of order, leadership, and governance under a House Democratic majority, I present to you…The current situation in the House,

The Chi-coms, Stalinist Supreme Soviet, and, dare I say, the Nazis had very ordered governance.

Turbulence in our House of Representatives can be far more beneficial for keeping our Federal Government in check against being a well ordered cabal lead by the false authoritarian promise of taking care of the people.

hilarious though it is, shows one important thing. If your entire political party is chosen based on the desire to hurt other people, they will, given the opportunity, hurt each other.

If words and disagreements hurt you, then you should surely seek employment somewhere other than the political arena.

People who harm have no ability to restrain themselves from doing harm. They also have no love nor loyalty to each other. Hate and harm are the whole of their being and they will exercise hate and harm regardless of target or consequences.

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People who hate and harm our constitutional form of government and wish to replace it with a promised, supposedly benevolent, authoritarian state will not restrain themselves from that endeavor. And they will exercise that hate and harm against those standing in their way and will ultimately feed off of their authoritarian nature by subjugating, punishing, anyone that threatens their power. They will gather committees and cabals around themselves to create the attractive air of orderly consensus in order to please and pacify the populace with a show of justifiable and legal righteousness so they then can remove, with trials and investigations and indictments, those who oppose and threaten them or their agenda, thereby permanently destroying them by irreparable harms and punishments--and clear the way for their plans to remake our government a centralized, top down administration by elite masterminds supported by wealthy oligarchs.

Pete F.

01-04-2023, 07:43 PM

People who hate and harm our constitutional form of government and wish to replace it with a promised, supposedly benevolent, authoritarian state will not restrain themselves from that endeavor. And they will exercise that hate and harm against those standing in their way and will ultimately feed off of their authoritarian nature by subjugating, punishing, anyone that threatens their power. They will gather committees and cabals around themselves to create the attractive air of orderly consensus in order to please and pacify the populace with a show of justifiable and legal righteousness so they then can remove, with trials and investigations and indictments, those who oppose and threaten them or their agenda, thereby permanently destroying them by irreparable harms and punishments.

Bolsonaro landed in Florida. He’s afraid his passport might be revoked now that presidential immunity no longer shields him from criminal investigations, so he went to Florida where he plans to spend time with other fascists like Trump and DeSantis.
Desantis's idea of freedom sure seems to resemble a authoritarian govt the way he's going after private businesses and minorities.
DeSantis doesn’t pretend to be moderate; being a far-right culture warrior is his brand. Journalist/author and scholar Henry A. Giroux analyzes DeSantis’ appeal in a scathing article published by Truthout on December 16, and he doesn’t sugarcoat anything. DeSantis, Giroux warns, is “fueling the emergence of fascist politics in the United States.”
“While some pundits have connected DeSantis’ politics to an emerging authoritarianism,” Giroux explains, “they still fail both to name the ongoing development of fascism in the U.S. and to recognize that it takes different forms in different societies and historical formations. They dismiss any talk of fascism by suggesting that its unique historical attributes, such as the genocidal use of concentration camps, have to be repeated precisely in order to assign the term fascism to present events. Fascism is never entirely interred in the past; it is a dangerous ideology that may go into remission but never disappears.”
Giroux continues, “Fascism is a recurrent and infinitely translatable phenomenon and often takes on the cultural and political attributes of the societies in which it appears. The refusal to acknowledge that fascism can appear in many forms, often lying dormant in a society until the emergence of certain forces unleash it, reinforces the willingness of many to retreat into silence or ignore the seriousness of the emerging fascist threat. Expressing ourselves in words, learning from history and making connections among disparate events all matter in the age of fascism.”

Giroux stresses that when one is analyzing fascism, it’s important to recognize patterns and understand how individual events fit into the big picture — events like DeSantis sending migrants to Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts or Trump having dinner with white nationalist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes at Mar-a-Lago.
“Fascist politics saturate U.S. society,” Giroux warns. “Ultranationalism, the calls for racial purity, voter suppression, hyper-militarism, required loyalty oaths from higher education faculty, rampant censorship, a ubiquitous anti-intellectualism, and a full-fledged attack on social provisions and public goods make clear that democracy is in crisis. Yet, in too many cases, the larger significance of these incendiary calamities is missed because they are treated as separate from each other…. DeSantis’ publicity stunt of using migrants as political pawns was also disconnected in the mainstream and liberal media from his attempt to erase the history of the Jim Crow era as part of his larger project of a politics of disposability.”
Giroux continues, “For instance, little was said connecting this racist policy to DeSantis’ passing laws banning books about Black history and racial narratives from schools and libraries, along with limiting what teachers can teach about racism — a policy that clearly indicates how DeSantis is following in the footsteps of the Nazification of education in Hitler’s Germany.”

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, a far-right authoritarian, has drawn a great deal of admiration among MAGA Republicans — including Fox News’ Tucker Carlson. And Giroux outlines some parallels between DeSantis and Orbán.

“Following in the footsteps of Viktor Orbán, the authoritarian leader who has turned Hungary into a fascist country, DeSantis has waged a war on immigrants, targeted gay and transgender youth, purged voters, banned books in Florida schools, limited what teachers can say about racism and other critical elements of American history, and used state power to punish businesses, evident in his ruthless and vindictive attack on Disney,” Giroux observes. “He has also used policing to punish Black voters who disagree with his policies, courted Christian nationalists, supported a white nationalist agenda and waged a war on higher education. There is little doubt that DeSantis has turned Florida into a laboratory of fascist politics.”

detbuch

01-04-2023, 09:50 PM

Bolsonaro landed in Florida. He’s afraid his passport might be revoked now that presidential immunity no longer shields him from criminal investigations, so he went to Florida where he plans to spend time with other fascists like Trump and DeSantis.
Desantis's idea of freedom sure seems to resemble a authoritarian govt the way he's going after private businesses

Going after private businesses? Like in how he is attracting businesses from high tax states.
He acts very business friendly. It's like he's going after businesses to move to Florida.

and minorities. DeSantis doesn’t pretend to be moderate; being a far-right culture warrior is his brand. Journalist/author and scholar Henry A. Giroux analyzes DeSantis’ appeal in a scathing article published by Truthout on December 16, and he doesn’t sugarcoat anything. DeSantis, Giroux warns, is “fueling the emergence of fascist politics in the United States.”

Fascism has been continuously fueled in our politics through increasing public/private "cooperation" between our Federal Government and oligarchs that run our large corporations of all types, which all pre-dates DeSantis by a longshot. Progressivism is a political precursor to our growing fascism as it was/is the ideology that demands unlimited government. All it took was for those of great wealth to meld with that form of government in a scratch my back I'll scratch yours. The symbiosis diminishes competition against the big businesses by partnering (financially supporting) with a hyper-powerful government which can impose regulations which stifle the ability of smaller businesses to compete. Intended or not, that is the consequence.

“While some pundits have connected DeSantis’ politics to an emerging authoritarianism,” Giroux explains, “they still fail both to name the ongoing development of fascism in the U.S. and to recognize that it takes different forms in different societies and historical formations. They dismiss any talk of fascism by suggesting that its unique historical attributes, such as the genocidal use of concentration camps, have to be repeated precisely in order to assign the term fascism to present events. Fascism is never entirely interred in the past; it is a dangerous ideology that may go into remission but never disappears.”

Sounds like he's saying that "fascism" depends...

Giroux continues, “Fascism is a recurrent and infinitely translatable phenomenon and often takes on the cultural and political attributes of the societies in which it appears. The refusal to acknowledge that fascism can appear in many forms, often lying dormant in a society until the emergence of certain forces unleash it, reinforces the willingness of many to retreat into silence or ignore the seriousness of the emerging fascist threat. Expressing ourselves in words, learning from history and making connections among disparate events all matter in the age of fascism.”

Sounds like he still hasn't nailed what fascism is . . .

Giroux stresses that when one is analyzing fascism, it’s important to recognize patterns and understand how individual events fit into the big picture — events like DeSantis sending migrants to Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts or Trump having dinner with white nationalist and Holocaust denier Nick Fuentes at Mar-a-Lago.

Wow, sending migrants to Martha's Vineyard is a sign in the "pattern" of fascism . . . and having dinner with all types and persuasions of people including white nationalists and Holocaust deniers is a sign of fascism. Maybe I'm wrong, didn't Trump have dinner with capitalists, and Democrats, and Repulicans, and gays, and black people, and atheists, and religious folk . . . all types of people . . . wow, some fascist-by-dinner association.

“Fascist politics saturate U.S. society,” Giroux warns. “Ultranationalism, the calls for racial purity, voter suppression, hyper-militarism, required loyalty oaths from higher education faculty, rampant censorship, a ubiquitous anti-intellectualism, and a full-fledged attack on social provisions and public goods make clear that democracy is in crisis.

Trump's nationalism was "Ultra"? Is DeSantis Ultra too? Are they hyper-militarists? Or ubiquitously anti-intellectual? Or have a full-fledged attack on "social provisions" and public "goods"? This guy is really reaching for something . . . I guess something he thinks is "fascism." Mussolini was actually an intellectual and both he and Hitler solidly supported social provisions and public goods for their people.

Yet, in too many cases, the larger significance of these incendiary calamities is missed because they are treated as separate from each other…. DeSantis’ publicity stunt of using migrants as political pawns was also disconnected in the mainstream and liberal media from his attempt to erase the history of the Jim Crow era as part of his larger project of a politics of disposability.”

I thought that encouraging migrants to flood across the border was using them as political pawns--oh well, to each his own. Is DeSantis going to dispose of all the Hispanics and blacks in Florida. Hadn't heard about that.

Giroux continues, “For instance, little was said connecting this racist policy to DeSantis’ passing laws banning books about Black history and racial narratives from schools and libraries, along with limiting what teachers can teach about racism — a policy that clearly indicates how DeSantis is following in the footsteps of the Nazification of education in Hitler’s Germany.”

DeSantis banned all books about Black history? Well, of course not. Nor does Florida issue statewide bans on specific books. Is DeSantis following in the footsteps of Nazification? That would be sort of a Hyper or Ultra type of statement.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, a far-right authoritarian, has drawn a great deal of admiration among MAGA Republicans — including Fox News’ Tucker Carlson. And Giroux outlines some parallels between DeSantis and Orbán.

"Some parallels"--one could draw "some parallels" between Giroux's methods in writing this essay to how Nazis and various authoritarians and Fascists present their "facts" and ideas concerning what they want you to think is true.

“Following in the footsteps of Viktor Orbán, the authoritarian leader who has turned Hungary into a fascist country,

I guess it depends on what you mean by "fascist." Giroux never clearly spells that out. And throws in a bunch of ideas which are either untrue or guilt by comparison or association, or just hyper-slanted, propagandistic like a good "fascist" would employ.

DeSantis has waged a war on immigrants, targeted gay and transgender youth, purged voters, banned books in Florida schools, limited what teachers can say about racism and other critical elements of American history, and used state power to punish businesses, evident in his ruthless and vindictive attack on Disney,” Giroux observes. “He has also used policing to punish Black voters who disagree with his policies, courted Christian nationalists, supported a white nationalist agenda and waged a war on higher education. There is little doubt that DeSantis has turned Florida into a laboratory of fascist politics.”

Wow, that last paragraph is ultra-hyper propaganda on steroids. I notice that this is the leftist, often rabidly accusative, but lacking in actual hard substance type of articles that you really like, and think will persuade rational people.

Jim in CT

01-04-2023, 10:43 PM

Pete F.

01-04-2023, 10:46 PM

Wow, that last paragraph is ultra-hyper propaganda on steroids. I notice that this is the leftist, often rabidly accusative, but lacking in actual hard substance type of articles that you really like, and think will persuade rational people.

I think it can persuade rational people, that description doesn’t fit everyone.
Listen to you and Jim.
Now tell us more about Molyneux and the other brilliant people you’ve found on YouTube.
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Pete F.

01-04-2023, 10:48 PM

Pete F.

01-04-2023, 10:53 PM

pete, what specifically did desantis do to “target gays”? please be specific and 0
provide support. the “don’t say gay”
bull actually didn’t mention homosexuality at all. it said that no sexuality ( not heterosexuality, not homosexuality, not any kind of sexuality.

i’ll wait.

DeSantis literally passed legislation against Disney this year for daring to try to stand up even marginally for LGBT people.

I'm not sure how to break this to you, but homophobia is in some ways worse right now than it's been in decades.
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detbuch

01-04-2023, 11:42 PM

I think it can persuade rational people,

Of course you do. As I said, you like that kind of stuff.

that description doesn’t fit everyone.
Listen to you and Jim.

The Giroux article is written in a propagandistic manner. It was easy for me to point out how so. It was the usual name-calling, label loaded, insinuative, unsubstantial, biasedly narrow, lacking depth of rational, honest, and thorough analysis. It was, as I pointed out, a rather rabid run-of-the-mouth hit piece meant to convince some left leaning choir that Trump and DeSantis are fascists that "fuel the emergence of fascist politics in the United States.”

That's all part of the emerging fascist technique of labeling opponents as a means to destroy them--e.g. insisting they are racists, fascists, Nazis, white supremacists, misogynists, homophobes, anti anything or anyone that they think are oppressed and can be brought into the fold of Progressive fascism by painting ideologically seductive verbal pictures.

Now tell us more about Molyneux and the other brilliant people you’ve found on YouTube.
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I already have. And I didn't consult YouTube to respond to your article. Just my own native intelligence and crafted my own words. What did you consult to find it? Fox or The Federalist?

Pete F.

01-05-2023, 12:46 AM

I already have. And I didn't consult YouTube to respond to your article. Just my own native intelligence and crafted my own words. What did you consult to find it? Fox or The Federalist?

Of course you calling people names is quite correct in your own mind so you produced this statement.

“ The Chi-coms, Stalinist Supreme Soviet, and, dare I say, the Nazis had very ordered governance.

Turbulence in our House of Representatives can be far more beneficial for keeping our Federal Government in check against being a well ordered cabal lead by the false authoritarian promise of taking care of the people.”

That’s the logical end point of a person in a party that has descended into mindless demonization—of Democrats, of immigrants, of the 'deep state,' of the FBI, of the medical profession, of the 'woke' military—and now of one another.

Claiming that this is how the House works is the end result of what happened to the four GOP US House speakers in modern times…#^&
Newt Gingrich quit in frustration in ’98
Denny Hastert served 8 years (later convicted of finance and sex crimes)
John Boehner quit in frustration in ’15
Paul Ryan quit in frustration in ’18

This is systemic for the failed Republican Party, not McCarthy’s personal problem.
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detbuch

01-05-2023, 01:48 AM

Of course you calling people names is quite correct in your own mind so you produced this statement.

“ The Chi-coms, Stalinist Supreme Soviet, and, dare I say, the Nazis had very ordered governance.

Well, those were their real names, not pejorative labels-- Chinese Communists (Chi-coms--shortened version), Stalinist Supreme Soviet, and Nazis. What else should I have called them?

Turbulence in our House of Representatives can be far more beneficial for keeping our Federal Government in check against being a well ordered cabal lead by the false authoritarian promise of taking care of the people.”

This was a parallel construction sort of in your style as a counterpoint mimicking your post that I responded to.

That’s the logical end point of a person in a party that has descended into mindless demonization—of Democrats, of immigrants, of the 'deep state,' of the FBI, of the medical profession, of the 'woke' military—and now of one another.

Ah yes, the canard that it was "demonization" and so adroitly magnified with the snobby addition of "mindless." Well done.

Claiming that this is how the House works is the end result of what happened to the four GOP US House speakers in modern times…#^&
Newt Gingrich quit in frustration in ’98
Denny Hastert served 8 years (later convicted of finance and sex crimes)
John Boehner quit in frustration in ’15
Paul Ryan quit in frustration in ’18

This is systemic for the failed Republican Party, not McCarthy’s personal problem.
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Yes . . . yes . . . all very, very sad. Time for a change. Move on from Democrat lite to an actual constitutional party.

wdmso

01-05-2023, 06:29 AM

I agree with you stealing and denying are very different. You are the only person I know besides my wife, who argues with me when I am agreeing with them.

But when Republicans deny, you say that are bad. When this democrat denies, you defend him.

You guys constantly insult republican voters who had nothing to do with January 6, but who think that 2020 wasn't a fair election. But you have no problem when a democrat does exactly the same thing.

Please stop saying I'm being dishonest for making comparisons that I never made.

But when Republicans deny, you say that are bad

No you’re not agreeing with me

Your again suggesting words and deeds are the same

When Republicans claim the election was stolen they do so with because they actual think that or their lying to their base . Because that’s what their base believes

Most dems don’t actually think Trump stole the 2016 election
Rather it was influenced a by the FBI and the Russian meddling
Ya know the Russia Trump ask for help against Clinton
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wdmso

01-05-2023, 06:36 AM

The newest spin from republicans on the self imposed chit show

I feel that this is really about changing the way in which Congress functions and that they’re productive,

That’s Funny

Let see the complete list of these wanted and actual changes to the house Rules

Question I assume the apply equally to the minority?
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wdmso

01-05-2023, 06:40 AM

Got Stripers

01-05-2023, 07:15 AM

Get ready for another banner day for the dysfunctional Republican Party.

Pete F.

01-05-2023, 08:21 AM

It’s scary, but predictable that dark money super pacs are explicitly part of the negotiation regarding who becomes Speaker of the United States House.
It’s why the US is now nothing more than a managed democracy. When (most) of our elected officials have become beholden to campaign funding from special interests/lobbyists/corporations/billionaires, legislating for the public good becomes a conflict of interest & thus impossible.
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detbuch

01-05-2023, 09:04 AM

You just described the MAGA movement to a T
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Not true.

Jim in CT

01-05-2023, 09:13 AM

Get ready for another banner day for the dysfunctional Republican Party.

if McCarthy cared about the party he’d remove himself
from contention, , but he’s too selfish so the dysfunctionality will continue.

detbuch

01-05-2023, 09:16 AM

It’s why the US is now nothing more than a managed democracy. When (most) of our elected officials have become beholden to campaign funding from special interests/lobbyists/corporations/billionaires, legislating for the public good becomes a conflict of interest & thus impossible.
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There's a lot of truth there. It's a kind of the emergence of fascism. And its been emerging for a long time, at least a century, and we're getting closer to beyond emerging and to actually arriving. And it has a lot more to do with the Progressive movement's goal of managing society by government fiat and expertise than much, if anything, to do with the MAGA Movement which is far less authoritarian, more freedom oriented, more against being managed, more of a don't tread on me than a give me a government controlled existence.

Jim in CT

01-05-2023, 09:33 AM

There's a lot of truth there. It's a kind of the emergence of fascism. And its been emerging for a long time, at least a century, and we're getting closer to beyond emerging and to actually arriving. And it has a lot more to do with the Progressive movement's goal of managing society by government fiat and expertise than much, if anything, to do with the MAGA Movement which is far less authoritarian, more freedom oriented, more against being managed, more of a don't tread on me than a give me a government controlled existence.

he did speak a lot of truth. And today, even big corporate money goes to democrats. Wasn’t long ago at all, that corporations have their money to the gop, that changed in the blink of an eye. ot sure if corporations hated Trump or if it was a symptom of their wanting to embrace woke-ism do as not to anger the social
justice gestapo.

Not sure how anyone could claim today that republicans are more authoritarian than democrats. But they claim it.

Pete F.

01-05-2023, 10:03 AM

detbuch

01-05-2023, 10:28 AM

Sure it’s progressives fault that we live in the only developed country where medical bankruptcy exists.
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We live in the only developed country where a lot of different things exist. Everybody has their share of responsibility for that.

wdmso

01-05-2023, 11:00 AM

Not sure how anyone could claim today that republicans are more authoritarian than democrats. But they claim it.

read the January 6th committee’s report. It might help

wdmso

01-05-2023, 12:45 PM

Man the GOP keeps putting their Black members in the frontline

Do they honestly think they look and speak as if there an inclusive party 4 are the most since the 1870s which is a positive

John James After listening to him he possibly could Steer the GOP back to the center Maybe ��

Got Stripers

01-05-2023, 02:40 PM

Number eight and Groundhog Day continues, dysfunction at its best.

Pete F.

01-05-2023, 03:00 PM

Ali Alexander is threatening to release evidence that Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene "committed a crime" that will get her expelled from Congress: "I will not suffer this harlot. I will not be taught vows and loyalty, commitment from a whore!"

One could hope that someone will ask Ali what evidence he has because he’s likely committed another crime: misprision “ Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
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Got Stripers

01-05-2023, 04:37 PM

Nine down, oh magic 8 ball what are your predictions for 24, when the country watches two years of a Republican congress that can’t function or govern.

spence

01-05-2023, 05:20 PM

PaulS

01-05-2023, 07:25 PM

Nine down, oh magic 8 ball what are your predictions for 24, when the country watches two years of a Republican congress that can’t function or govern.

Are we great again yet?

Got Stripers

01-05-2023, 08:09 PM

america didn’t agree with you in november. the GOP is in fine shape. The biggest threat is obviously trump. He’ll be in the rear view mirror no later than 2024.

You’re denying mathematical reality because you don’t like it.

If trump is the nominee, you should
look forward to 2024. If it’s Desantis, you have less reason to be excited.

who do you think will be the democrat nominee? curious who you think. I think Newsom.

The GOP is fine…….sure Jim. The gop elected a game show host, who was twice impeached, who spearheaded a coup and soon will I hope be joining his other convicted conspiracists. He cost them the White House and On his way out the cancer that is Trump, infected the party, putting fellow nuts into races they couldn’t win, resulting in the worst mid term in memory. The irony for Kevin McCarthy who blamed Trump for the 6th, only to reverse course flying to FL to kiss Trumps arse in the belief it would help him, now finds that due to Trump and the miserable mid term; he doesn’t have the majority most mid terms would have guaranteed his speakership.

If the GOP is fine I think it’s time to seek help, what is out there for coolaid (come on you are Scott missing all the fun) addicts?

Pete F.

01-05-2023, 08:59 PM

Jim in CT

01-05-2023, 10:26 PM

The GOP is fine…….sure Jim. The gop elected a game show host, who was twice impeached, who spearheaded a coup and soon will I hope be joining his other convicted conspiracists. He cost them the White House and On his way out the cancer that is Trump, infected the party, putting fellow nuts into races they couldn’t win, resulting in the worst mid term in memory. The irony for Kevin McCarthy who blamed Trump for the 6th, only to reverse course flying to FL to kiss Trumps arse in the belief it would help him, now finds that due to Trump and the miserable mid term; he doesn’t have the majority most mid terms would have guaranteed his speakership.

If the GOP is fine I think it’s time to seek help, what is out there for coolaid (come on you are Scott missing all the fun) addicts?

if you say the gop is destroyed and a lame party, i say it’s time for you to seek help. look at the mathematical facts of how many federal and state elected offices are held by each party, look at who controls the states that people are fleeing, and who controls the states people
are moving to.

Now, there’s plenty about the gop which I hate. But the party is in decent shape. You can’t concede the facts because you’re blinded by hate. I’m responding to irrefutable data. i don’t get blinded by ideology, i can happily go wherever the facts take me. I have a side i root for obviously, but i can be rational about my sides failures and the other sides successes. You guys, not one of you, can do that.

obviously the gop has liars, scumbags, losers, hucksters, morons. This is an ambarassing situation which no one will remember in 6 months

and i think it’s interesting. part of me thinks the holdouts should
tow the line,, part of me says that if they want McCarthy to promise to support term limits and he won’t, then they shouldn’t vote for him. part of me says this is how democracy works.

The democrats elected a potus who has a credible rape allegation against him, he’s a known liar, a known plagiarizer, and is now deeply demented. They elected a CT senator who lied for years about serving in vietnam. They twice elected bill clinton,, a lifelong abuser of women, disbarred for lying. and he’s a hero on the left. Same with Hilary, so character was nowhere on the ballot in 2016. So spare me the nonsense that either side has a monopoly on character flaws.

i can match you on both sides electing jerks, all day long. All day long. Both sides have good folks and bad folks. Both sides have good ideas and bad ideas. Again, none of you can admit that ( despite it being obvious) because you’re blinded by ideology. All that matters to everyone single one of you ( except Paul) is defending liberalism, no matter what. No matter what, no exceptions, not ever. You’re the most thoughtless, utterly predictable buch one could imagine. i can tell with 100% accuracy what every single one of you will say about every single issue.

Got Stripers

01-06-2023, 06:33 AM

if you say the gop is destroyed and a lame party, i say it’s time for you to seek help. look at the mathematical facts of how many federal and state elected offices are held by each party, look at who controls the states that people are fleeing, and who controls the states people
are moving to.

Now, there’s plenty about the gop which I hate. But the party is in decent shape. You can’t concede the facts because you’re blinded by hate. I’m responding to irrefutable data. i don’t get blinded by ideology, i can happily go wherever the facts take me. I have a side i root for obviously, but i can be rational about my sides failures and the other sides successes. You guys, not one of you, can do that.

obviously the gop has liars, scumbags, losers, hucksters, morons. This is an ambarassing situation which no one will remember in 6 months

and i think it’s interesting. part of me thinks the holdouts should
tow the line,, part of me says that if they want McCarthy to promise to support term limits and he won’t, then they shouldn’t vote for him. part of me says this is how democracy works.

The democrats elected a potus who has a credible rape allegation against him, he’s a known liar, a known plagiarizer, and is now deeply demented. They elected a CT senator who lied for years about serving in vietnam. They twice elected bill clinton,, a lifelong abuser of women, disbarred for lying. and he’s a hero on the left. Same with Hilary, so character was nowhere on the ballot in 2016. So spare me the nonsense that either side has a monopoly on character flaws.

i can match you on both sides electing jerks, all day long. All day long. Both sides have good folks and bad folks. Both sides have good ideas and bad ideas. Again, none of you can admit that ( despite it being obvious) because you’re blinded by ideology. All that matters to everyone single one of you ( except Paul) is defending liberalism, no matter what. No matter what, no exceptions, not ever. You’re the most thoughtless, utterly predictable buch one could imagine. i can tell with 100% accuracy what every single one of you will say about every single issue.

It’s a greatest hits medley, keep drinking Jim, I think the only thing you prove is how blind you are to what is happening in plain sight or how deep the corruption and dysfunction runs in this party.

Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 07:43 AM

It’s a greatest hits medley, keep drinking Jim, I think the only thing you prove is how blind you are to what is happening in plain sight or how deep the corruption and dysfunction runs in this party.

i’m curious to know what it is you think i’m
drinking? when i’m the one who says there’s good and bad on both sides, and you say all the good is on the left, and all
the bad is on the right?

Which one of us is the blind extremist?

please tell me your take on what’s happening right now? are you suggesting that there’s no disagreement among democrats in the house? that none of them disagree with Ihan Omar on anything?

there’s a temporary, embarrassing thing taking place, which is kind of unavoidable when you have a razor thin majority and you have republicans with different ideas. On the one hand, you can’t always get what you want and you have to compromise sometimes. On then other hand, it’s not written in stone that McCarthy gets to be speaker, so if the freedom caucus doesn’t like him, why should they vote for him?

I admit it looks very silly and dysfunctional. but doesn’t it also look a lot like democracy?

are you saying a party is only “functional” when every single member of that party, agrees on everything? it’s hard not to conclude that’s what you believe.

you’re full of insults, devoid of explanation, as usual.

now when Matt Gaetz votes for Trump for speaker, he’s embarrassing himself, but he’s has no business being in congress anyway. So there some individuals being very embarrassing.

But if you were the head of the RNC, what would you grell the 20 holdouts? that they have. responsibility to join the majority and support McCarthy?

Maybe that’s what they should do. But i’m not sure. McCarthy is soft on the border and balanced budgets and opposed to term
limits. If they want to pressure him to get him to move in their direction on those issues, why is that a bad thing? especially if they happened to run on those issues and feel
like their constituents elected them on that basis.

I don’t especially like McCarthy. He’s kind of unprincipled and not very conservative, and for sure he wants to be there forever, and i don’t like congressmen who are opposed to term limits.

anyway, i explained why i see both sides. instead of libbing insults, please tell me why you think it’s a bad thing for the holdouts to demand that the republicans promise to advocate for balanced budgets and term limits, in return for voting for McCarthy? why is that corrupt and dysfunctional? maybe it is, but i’m not sure. And you merely claiming it is, doesn’t make it so. I’d actually be interested i. hearing your rationale behind it, but there probably isn’t any, more likely just reflexive loathing if everyone who disagrees with you.

different subject, but here’s what i think is dysfunctional. CT has been run by liberals
for 50 years. And we are a very wealthy state, and we have very high tax rates. So we gave a ton of money to the liberals running the state, more than enough. . yet our unfunded debt is tens of thousands of dollars for every human being in the state, probably at least $35k for every human being in the state. Yet every other year, their plan is to raise taxes and increase spending. it never ever works, but they do it every single budget cycle.

That’s dysfunctional.

Pete F.

01-06-2023, 07:57 AM

Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 08:17 AM

The asymmetry of pressure within the GOP is striking. Not true of the Dems, where the centrists fight back against the left, and think they have a right to push their views as hard as the left does.

This is a way of saying the U.S. basically has, now, only one governing party.
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any chance we can have an actual conversation?

not sure what you’re saying. are you saying it’s good that on the left, the moderates and extremists battle it out? but isn’t that exactly what’s happening now with the gop?

the moderates want mccarthy, the more radical
conservatives either want someone else, or at least want assurances from mccarthy that he’ll advocate for some of their policies ( secure border, term limits, balanced budget).

this is a sincere, honest question. Which side do you think should cave? or should they both move towards each other? which supposedly is what’s happening…

you seem to be saying the centrists on the right aren’t fighting back, but they are. they are sticking with McCarthy, and calling out the extremists that are holding things up.

much has ben written and discussed about the disproportional clout wielded by AOC and the squad. when the democrats tried to pass that huge spending bills early in bidens first term ( build back better?), the moderates and extremists couldn’t agree and it took several
iterations to hammer it out. how is that different from this?

Pete F.

01-06-2023, 08:50 AM

If the Republican position is the government is the problem and it cannot do anything right, what kind of people do you think that would attract?

Running on government doesn't work, elect me and I will show you how badly, gets you here.
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Pete F.

01-06-2023, 08:55 AM

Just think: if Kevin McCarthy had made Gaetz resign bc of his sex scandal or moved to expel Boebert when she endangered ppl on J6, or tried to get rid of Gosar after his endless # of racist statements, he probably wouldn't be having this problem now.
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wdmso

01-06-2023, 08:57 AM

Those Republicans Holding the house hostage are from district districts that are so gerrymandered they face no consequences are not heroes they’re not acting on principle they it’s just the jerry springer Show
What are constituency screaming fight fight fight.

other Republicans going on CNN and Fox talking about this is what democracy looks like it’s messy blah blah blah

others we have to don’t get down to business so we can eliminate the 87,000 IRS agents that are coming to pick the pockets of American people more like pick people like Trump pocket. it’s just lie after lie after lie

I actually know a 30 year IRS agent and even she says the 87,000 is just a replace retirees and attrition over the years from agents to secretaries and IT people. So they can modernized IRS database and storage

Yet again these Republicans know that they’re just too frayed tell their voters the truth and because you got passed by a Democratic House and president it’s somehow not for the American people

That’s what Republicans do if they don’t like the facts it does create their own

Even Tucker briefly talked about the debacle on the hill and then he went into a rant of the woke Democrats change the name of turkey to turkey put a two second Internet search show the state department change the spelling of turkey to Turkiye At the request of the Turkish Government.

But of course Tucker left that out …she how they operate

Pete F.

01-06-2023, 08:58 AM

any chance we can have an actual conversation?

not sure what you’re saying. are you saying it’s good that on the left, the moderates and extremists battle it out? but isn’t that exactly what’s happening now with the gop?

the moderates want mccarthy, the more radical
conservatives either want someone else, or at least want assurances from mccarthy that he’ll advocate for some of their policies ( secure border, term limits, balanced budget).

this is a sincere, honest question. Which side do you think should cave? or should they both move towards each other? which supposedly is what’s happening…

you seem to be saying the centrists on the right aren’t fighting back, but they are. they are sticking with McCarthy, and calling out the extremists that are holding things up.

much has ben written and discussed in the right wing media about the disproportional clout wielded by AOC and the squad. when the democrats tried to pass that huge spending bills early in bidens first term ( build back better?), the moderates and extremists couldn’t agree and it took several
iterations to hammer it out. how is that different from this?

Fixed it for you

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result.

Any political leader who planned, abetted, praised or excused the violent attack on our Congress and Capitol of January 6, 2021, and that insurrection against our sacred democracy should never be trusted on the issue of law and order.
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Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 09:52 AM

Got Stripers

01-06-2023, 11:12 AM

Pete F.

01-06-2023, 11:33 AM

Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 11:34 AM

Jim you are dense, it's so different it hasn't gone to this many votes in what 150 years now, they passed the 100 year mark a day ago. The difference is your party and the supposed leader of the party didn't take the time or make the effort to get the votes needed after the congress was secured. It's just more fallout from Trump, cost the white house, cost the big mid term, put wack jobs in the position they are in now to hold the house hostage.

"he difference is your party and the supposed leader of the party didn't take the time or make the effort to get the votes needed after the congress was secured"

I can say the same exact thing about Biden and the democrats after he won in 2020. They had time to get everyone on the same page, but they didn't, and as a result, it took them quite a while to get the huge spending bill approved. At the time, conservatives were laughing that the party that controlled both chambers and the white house couldn't pass a spending bill. But after several rounds of failed votes and negotiations and compromises, the bill passed, and today no one cares about the dysfunctionality that preceded it.

So it's OK when democrats in a majority can't gain an immediate consensus on something, it's OK when there are failed votes and stalls and threats and political posturing that delay the passing of the final bill. It's totally fine when that happens to democrats. But when the same thing happens to republicans, it's the end of the party.

Word is that McCarthy is caving to much of what the conservatives want, especially in regards to federal spending, which is the biggest thing the GOP can do when they control the house but not the senate.

I give Biden and the democrats credit for passing the infastructure bill, it was necessary and popular. Well, today what's also necessary and becoming more and more popular on both sides, is the idea that we can't endlessly add to the federal deficit. I don't think only conservatives agree with that. If the conservatives can get McCarthy to be more disciplined on federal spending, then in my opinion that's worth the egg they've had on their faces for the last few days. If voting against him for a few rounds was required to get him to push for a balanced budget, then good for them. And shame on McCarthy for not being immediately on board with that.

When this is done, the only people who will care, are those with a seething hatred of the GOP. It's the same exact thing the democrats went through when they passed build back better. Same exact concept applied to a different federal issue. The progressives wanted zillions in extra spending that the moderate democrats in the senate were never going to agree to. That went on and on and on. The democrats controlled everything but the different factions couldn't agree. And I enjoyed it at the time, just as you are enjoying this. But I didn't claim it was the end of the democratic party, because that would be as stupid as saying this is the end of the GOP. It's nothing.

wdmso

01-06-2023, 11:38 AM

I'll ask you the same question I asked Pete (I should have known better). When the democrats were trying to pass that big spending bill early in Bidens tenure (build back better, or whatever), it took many iterations, because the moderates and the progressives simply couldn't agree.

How is this, so different from that?
Honestly, Jim, this isn’t an about democracy, even though that’s how the Republicans are trying to twist it. This is about a small group, trying to hold hostage your party leader who is the minority leader for the last two years?

This behavior has totally locked up the government. Nothing operates without a speaker sitting in the chair who is supposed to be second in command if something happens to the president

The progressives protest was over a bill and what was in the bill no one suggesting they should abolish all debate

Just
Listen to the excuses we don’t get the read the bills they’re too big we don’t have enough time we only have 72 hours that’s all the fabrication they have staff multiple staff members all working on revising and editing reading the bills just not one person in a room but that’s what they want the American people to believe .

And honestly what’s stopping the Democrats from using these rules against Republicans to Stonewall, or block legislation
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Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 12:06 PM

Honestly, Jim, this isn’t an about democracy, even though that’s how the Republicans are trying to twist it. This is about a small group, trying to hold hostage your party leader who is the minority leader for the last two years?

This behavior has totally locked up the government. Nothing operates without a speaker sitting in the chair who is supposed to be second in command if something happens to the president

The progressives protest was over a bill and what was in the bill no one suggesting they should abolish all debate

Just
Listen to the excuses we don’t get the read the bills they’re too big we don’t have enough time we only have 72 hours that’s all the fabrication they have staff multiple staff members all working on revising and editing reading the bills just not one person in a room but that’s what they want the American people to believe .

And honestly what’s stopping the Democrats from using these rules against Republicans to Stonewall, or block legislation
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"This is about a small group, trying to hold hostage your party"

And in 2021, a small group of progressive democrats in the house, prevented the moderate majority from passing a multi trillion dollar spending bill, because they held it hostage in an effort to get more of what they wanted. They held up major, major legislation, so that a small minority could make demands. That's exactly, precisely what happened.

The same exact thing is happening here.

Where is it written that the minority leader must become the speaker if the minority party gains majority?

"This behavior has totally locked up the government"

So once they start legislating as conservatives, that will make you happy.

"The progressives protest was over a bill and what was in the bill no one suggesting they should abolish all debate"

Who is suggesting that the GOP stops debate?

Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 12:08 PM

And honestly what’s stopping the Democrats from using these rules against Republicans to Stonewall, or block legislation
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Nothing is stopping them. And that's what they'll do.

Are you saying that democrats never stonewall or block bills they don't like? They never use the fillibuster, never reject judicial nominee's from a republican president? They never say "no" for political reasons?

Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 12:13 PM

Pete F.

01-06-2023, 12:28 PM

Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 01:36 PM

How many times in the past 6 years have we heard the refrain “when this is over nobody will care”

The Jan. 6 committee’s massive evidence trove tells a second crucial story: At every phase of Trump’s scheme, he was enabled and prodded along by a band of House Republicans — some now at the center of the speakership chaos.

Nobody will care…..
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trying to overthrow an election, and trump to get a group of hundreds of politicians to agree on a vote for speaker, aren’t exactly the same
thing.

i asked how this his different from the struggle between moderate democrats rats and progressives on the. hold
back better bill. you dodged.

this kid the same as that. this is nothing like january 6. tjisjus civilized, legal debate, it basically is democracy in action.

i tried to
engage you, you went right to krazy.

Pete F.

01-06-2023, 02:00 PM

trying to overthrow an election, and trump to get a group of hundreds of politicians to agree on a vote for speaker, aren’t exactly the same
thing.

i asked how this his different from the struggle between moderate democrats rats and progressives on the. hold
back better bill. you dodged.

this kid the same as that. this is nothing like january 6. tjisjus civilized, legal debate, it basically is democracy in action.

i tried to
engage you, you went right to krazy.

You’re ignoring how many of the Republican house members voted to subvert the election.

The speaker’s fight is the debt ceiling fight is the budget fight is the Ukraine aid fight. Meaning: One half of the legislature will be mostly non-functional for the next two years. That’s why the Speaker McCarthy stuff is important…it’s the template.
This sh..show will continue.

BACON (R-Neb.), a centrist “If this remains the face of the GOP in 2024 we will get pummeled in the Presidential and Congressional elections.

We would have won more seats in 2022 but too many feared the extremes in the GOP even before this.“
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wdmso

01-06-2023, 02:33 PM

Nothing is stopping them. And that's what they'll do.

Are you saying that democrats never stonewall or block bills they don't like? They never use the fillibuster, never reject judicial nominee's from a republican president? They never say "no" for political reasons?

Jim you need to do some civics reading. If you don’t understand why what we’re seeing hasn’t happened in 100 years there’s a reason for that

Compared to pushing back against a Bill. Which is normal

The only thing both your examples have in common are There’s people that are against stuff. That’s it

wdmso

01-06-2023, 03:09 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/06/what-happens-no-house-speaker/

Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 03:16 PM

Jim you need to do some civics reading. If you don’t understand why what we’re seeing hasn’t happened in 100 years there’s a reason for that

Compared to pushing back against a Bill. Which is normal

The only thing both your examples have in common are There’s people that are against stuff. That’s it

in both cases, a small. umber if more extremists, are blocking what a large number of moderates want to do.

you keeep saying very vague things “this s
bad”. you never say why. maybe you don’t know why, you just want it to be bad because they are republicans.

they’re making progress, they’ll get there, but it does look silly and dysfunctional. if the conservatives wrangle him further to the right, good for them.

stupidest thing, they had 8 weeks to do this since the election. could have been done by now and a i used the stupid optics.

Pete F.

01-06-2023, 04:10 PM

Kevin McCarthy's deal with his defectors reportedly gives them the opportunity to force the U.S. to default on its debt and crash the global economy.

They plan to use the threat of default to force massive cuts to Social Security and Medicare.
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Jim in CT

01-06-2023, 05:50 PM

The Dad Fisherman

01-06-2023, 06:41 PM

i heard- the GOP is just going to kill all the old people and poor people.

Don’t forget drink the blood of the innocents too
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wdmso

01-06-2023, 08:45 PM

Don’t forget drink the blood of the innocents too
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I thought that’s what Democrats did
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wdmso

01-06-2023, 08:46 PM

Can’t wait till the hearings begin, and the Benny Hill music is playing in the background and everyone pleads the fifth or refuses congressional subpoenas
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Pete F.

01-06-2023, 10:59 PM

I thought that’s what Democrats did
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A Republican, who is nominating Kevin McCarthy, just spoke about the spike in attacks against law enforcement.

He strangely never mentions Jan 6, which saw the assault of 140 Capitol police officers, the largest attack on law enforcement in recent memory. What an odd omission.
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wdmso

01-06-2023, 11:04 PM

A Republican, who is nominating Kevin McCarthy, just spoke about the spike in attacks against law enforcement.

He strangely never mentions Jan 6, which saw the assault of 140 Capitol police officers, the largest attack on law enforcement in recent memory. What an odd omission.
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Of course not they skip that even on the floor today they mentioned Ukraine impeachment the government Weaponized against citizens, but they never mentioned January 6
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wdmso

01-06-2023, 11:08 PM

And the GOP keeps insisting, but this is what democracy looks like 0MG I can only imagine what the next two years is going to look like
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Pete F.

01-06-2023, 11:37 PM

Kevin McCarthy lost vote 14 then approached Matt Gaetz. McCarthy needed 217 to win. Rep Rogers of Alabama had to be pulled away from Gaetz. He lunged at Gaetz. Republicans in disarray.

NOW: the clerk has gaveled the END of the vote. MCCARTHY LOSES AGAIN. Based on the present vote by Gaetz. A SPEAKER HAS NOT BEEN ELECTED. A motion is on the floor to adjourn until noon Monday. Dems scream NOOOOOO.

People saying that Dems are going to get *tired* and leave to make McCarthy speaker really don't know about the recuperative powers of watching a guy who threw his hat in with people who came to your office to kill you suffer repeated humiliations.
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wdmso

01-06-2023, 11:53 PM

Imagine that Donald Trump called Matt on the floor of the house of representatives on January 6 2022 to get McCarthy elected but he called nobody in the joint session of congress on January 6, 2020 while the capitol was under attack
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Pete F.

01-07-2023, 12:16 AM

"We'll come back tonight and I believe at that time, we'll have the votes to finish this once and for all," McCarthy says. Asked how he expects to govern with a conference like this, McCarthy says, "See, this is the great part. Because it took this long, now we learned how to govern. So now we'll be able to get the job done."

Looks like at least twice and .......

McCarthy can become speaker only because of concessions to the members of his caucus most closely associated with—if not directly implicated in—what happened two years ago today. The dysfunction is entertaining, but what the result says about where we’re heading is scary.

wdmso

01-07-2023, 07:39 AM

Again the right is still trying to spin this in the lens of history and the only people buying it are the usual supporters . Who can’t face the facts

Kevin and the GOP. Are Kinda like the guy who finally passes the bar exam on his 15th try. Yeah he’s a lawyer, but probably not a very good one.

Pete F.

01-07-2023, 08:41 AM

Got Stripers

01-07-2023, 09:38 AM

Matt Gaetz: "I am grateful that Speaker-designate McCarthy has been so receptive to each and every change that we have demanded. And Sean we're at the stage right now where I am running out of stuff to ask for."

Here’s your reminder, Trump is getting exactly what he wanted and has been whipping the Freedom Caucus all week, including by phone tonight on the floor. He is the big winner tonight. Don't ever doubt who is still at the helm of the GOP. The House belongs to MAGA.

And so one of the strongest House Speakers in American history is succeeded by what is likely to be one of the weakest.
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Now Jim will jump in and give it his MAGA spin, this is what democracy looks like, funny it hasn't looked like that in well over 100 years. Luckily for Jim, he has a new greatest hit to throw out over the next two years, at each new dysfunctional house moment, that the GOP is doing just fine.

PaulS

01-07-2023, 10:17 AM

Kevin McCarthy's deal with his defectors reportedly gives them the opportunity to force the U.S. to default on its debt and crash the global economy.

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Since this was never an issue during the Trump Administration the key is to convince them that Biden is a Republican and the debt limit won't be a concern for them.
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wdmso

01-07-2023, 12:27 PM

Many think raising the debt limit has something to due with Spending

Not paying the Bills

These same People are the same super informed who still think Trump won, Biden controlled the price of gas our borders are open and the GOP controlled house is gonna get anything past the Senate or the presidents veto pen

But I’m sure they’ll make America look like idiots letting Ukraine Die at the hands of the Russians

I watch out Social Security or child, Obamacare watch out any social safety net program I’m sure they’ll do something guns
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wdmso

01-07-2023, 12:51 PM

Here’s my prediction the GOP will attempt every economic sabotage they can think of and disguised it as fiscal responsibility , no actual legislative ideas to fix the border(other than spending money on a wall). Anything to do with energy will be the same nonsense cut regulation and drill baby drill, sabotage any wind or solar or green energy initiative they will end

And of course conduct meaningless investigations

In a nutshell they want Americans to suffer as much as possible because they think that’s their path back to the White House creating problems so they can claim they can fix them
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Jim in CT

01-07-2023, 03:55 PM

I watch out Social Security or child, Obamacare watch out any social safety net program I’m sure they’ll do something guns
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when you make a case that compelling, it’s hard to argue. a very well thought and very well articulated argument.

gee i’m old enough to remember the last time
the gop had power, way way way back in 2017. the result? A record number of americans, polled by Gallup ( not foxnews) said they were better off than they were 4 years before. No other president scored as high as trump, ever, on the question “are you better off than you were 4 years ago.”

i’m sure you’re right wayne,,they’re going to want to kill everybody and sell their stuff and give the proceeds to the NRA.

meanwhile 850 people a day are moving to FL from other states, that’s what a clown Death-santis is, haw haw haw that’s a good one, Death-santis.

Jim in CT

01-07-2023, 03:58 PM

Now Jim will jump in and give it his MAGA spin, this is what democracy looks like, funny it hasn't looked like that in well over 100 years. Luckily for Jim, he has a new greatest hit to throw out over the next two years, at each new dysfunctional house moment, that the GOP is doing just fine.

i asked you point blank, and i don’t know if you responded, what should happen when the gop has a razor thin majority and 20 holdouts don’t like the nominee for speaker. should they all vote for him anyway for the greater good?

insults are easy. suggestions, for you at least, are a lot harder.

Got Stripers

01-07-2023, 04:30 PM

i asked you point blank, and i don’t know if you responded, what should happen when the gop has a razor thin majority and 20 holdouts don’t like the nominee for speaker. should they all vote for him anyway for the greater good?

insults are easy. suggestions, for you at least, are a lot harder.

I already answered it as did you, McCarthy should have had this all ironed out before the process started. Bad look for him, bad look for the gop and Gaetz along with his band of crazies don’t care how they look.

Jim in CT

01-07-2023, 04:56 PM

I already answered it as did you, McCarthy should have had this all ironed out before the process started. Bad look for him, bad look for the gop and Gaetz along with his band of crazies don’t care how they look.

it’s a bad look that no one will remember in 2 months, save for a small number of folks deranged with hate for the gop.

no onto idiots in all sides making our lives harder while enriching themselves.

Gaetz is a raving lunatic. embarrassing.

Pete F.

01-07-2023, 05:53 PM

A reminder that Republicans added $7.8 trillion to the debt the last time they had full control of government.
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Pete F.

01-07-2023, 06:08 PM

when you make a case that compelling, it’s hard to argue. a very well thought and very well articulated argument.

gee i’m old enough to remember the last time
the gop had power, way way way back in 2017. the result? A record number of americans, polled by Gallup ( not foxnews) said they were better off than they were 4 years before. No other president scored as high as trump, ever, on the question “are you better off than you were 4 years ago.”

i’m sure you’re right wayne,,they’re going to want to kill everybody and sell their stuff and give the proceeds to the NRA.

meanwhile 850 people a day are moving to FL from other states, that’s what a clown Death-santis is, haw haw haw that’s a good one, Death-santis.

Easy Peasy

Trump started with a roaring economy, in four years he lost 5 million jobs, added 9 trillion to the deficit, lost the Senate, lost the House, lost the presidency, attempted a coup, got banned from social media and impeached twice.
Did nothing about foreign corruption, immigration, healthcare and infrastructure.
He did cut taxes for the rich.
What else would you expect the deficit increased with Bush 1, decreased with Clinton, increased with Bush 2, decreased with Obama, increased with Trump, is decreasing with Biden.
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Got Stripers

01-07-2023, 06:16 PM

Easy Peasy

Trump started with a roaring economy, in four years he lost 5 million jobs, added 9 trillion to the deficit, lost the Senate, lost the House, lost the presidency, attempted a coup, got banned from social media and impeached twice.
Did nothing about foreign corruption, immigration, healthcare and infrastructure.
He did cut taxes for the rich.
What else would you expect the deficit increased with Bush 1, decreased with Clinton, increased with Bush 2, decreased with Obama, increased with Trump, is decreasing with Biden.
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Perfect response, especially when Jim bundles two of his greatest hits into one post, he is reaching hard now.

wdmso

01-07-2023, 09:20 PM

when you make a case that compelling, it’s hard to argue. a very well thought and very well articulated argument.

gee i’m old enough to remember the last time
the gop had power, way way way back in 2017. the result? A record number of americans, polled by Gallup ( not foxnews) said they were better off than they were 4 years before. No other president scored as high as trump, ever, on the question “are you better off than you were 4 years ago.”

i’m sure you’re right wayne,,they’re going to want to kill everybody and sell their stuff and give the proceeds to the NRA.

meanwhile 850 people a day are moving to FL from other states, that’s what a clown Death-santis is, haw haw haw that’s a good one, Death-santis.

OMG Jim Just give it up already you keep Blowing Ron like the rest of conservatives media . You are delusional the people moving to Florida are not moving to Florida because of Ron DeSantis that’s a fantasy all you people made up in your heads

in your poll some people thought they were better off 4 years ago but that was not because of Trump but you keep convincing yourself that’s what they said

Two recently-released reports, one using data compiled by Zillow and Allied Van Lines, and the other analyzing new Florida driver’s licenses, show New York is the No. 1 supplier of new residents to Florida and Tampa Bay, as per usual.

Why Do People Move to Florida? Mostly Sunshine and Jobs

A recent survey found that many people who had recently arrived in Tampa Bay had moved for the sunny weather or a job change, while many were leaving because of politics or to find better schools or cheaper services.

I thought they were coming because of politics?

I am happy you think republicans will do anything or something for the average American and I honestly hope they do their track record says something different

wdmso

01-07-2023, 10:21 PM

It’s already started. Of course Republicans won’t run on taking Social Security or Medicare they just wait till after the election

Republican of Georgia, has expressed his intent to cut spending in conjunction with raising the debt ceiling. Representative Lloyd Smucker, a Pennsylvania Republican has stated his wish to establish means testing—setting income eligibility levels—for Social Security and Medicare.

Means testing refers to the policy of providing no benefits to the people with incomes or assets above a certain level. But workers at all income and asset levels have worked to earn their Social Security and Medicare benefits and rely on them as well.

Representative Jason Smith, Republican of Missouri, currently the ranking Republican member on the House Budget Committee, has indicated that he wants to use debt limit talks to extract concessions from President Biden on entitlements .

nothing about cutting the biggest budget the military It’s just more of the same wash rinse repeat.

Not sure why Republicans have a hard on for Social Security, and Medicare sing. Most of their supporters around both in both programs are extremely popular

Now in its 85th year, Social Security enjoys over 90 percent support among Democrats, Republicans and independents, according to an AARP survey of 1,441 people ages 18 and older.

Can’t wait to see what comes out of the clown car
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Pete F.

01-08-2023, 03:29 PM

Threatening a) the rule of law (interfering with criminal investigations), b) the full faith and credit of the U.S. (debt ceiling), c) standing with allies fighting aggressive dictators (the spending cuts)...the House GOP rules package really does its best to damage the nation.
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Jim in CT

01-08-2023, 07:29 PM

Don’t forget drink the blood of the innocents too
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they spend just about zero time trying to rationally explain why their policy ideas are superior ( and some of them are, in my opinion). If they’re talking politics, 95% of the time it’s hysterical
jibberish about how every republican is a Sith Lord

meanwhile people are fleeing blue states for red states.

Jim in CT

01-08-2023, 07:39 PM

OMG Jim Just give it up already you keep Blowing Ron like the rest of conservatives media . You are delusional the people moving to Florida are not moving to Florida because of Ron DeSantis that’s a fantasy all you people made up in your heads

in your poll some people thought they were better off 4 years ago but that was not because of Trump but you keep convincing yourself that’s what they said

Two recently-released reports, one using data compiled by Zillow and Allied Van Lines, and the other analyzing new Florida driver’s licenses, show New York is the No. 1 supplier of new residents to Florida and Tampa Bay, as per usual.

Why Do People Move to Florida? Mostly Sunshine and Jobs

A recent survey found that many people who had recently arrived in Tampa Bay had moved for the sunny weather or a job change, while many were leaving because of politics or to find better schools or cheaper services.

I thought they were coming because of politics?

I am happy you think republicans will do anything or something for the average American and I honestly hope they do their track record says something different

“some people
thought they were better off.”

not “some”. A record. about 58%. what facts do you have, to support your assertion that Trumps policies had nothing to do with it?

if people only moved from NY to FL for sunshine, and politics had nothing to do with it, common sense says some would move to CA. there’s sunshine and jobs in CA. but so many more go to FL. why?

does CA not have sunshine and jobs?

you’re embarrassing yourself.

wdmso

01-08-2023, 07:55 PM

[QUOTE=Jim in CT;1237222]“some people
thought they were better off.”

not “some”. A record. about 58%. what facts do you have, to support your assertion that Trumps policies had nothing to do with it?

That’s your conclusion not mine … it’s your point to prove

if people only moved from NY to FL for sunshine, and politics had nothing to do with it, common sense says some would move to CA. there’s sunshine and jobs in CA. but so many more go to FL. why?

Stop trying to deflect. you claimed we’re people were moving to Florida because of Ron .. I showed why they were coming and why their leaving. again , Ron’s the reason their coming That’s your conclusion not mine … it’s your point to prove

Once again your confused you make a claim. then Can’t back them up.

It’s not Me embarrassing myself

does CA not have sunshine and jobs?

FYI

California has been losing residents to other states for two decades. A decade is 10years so 2 decades equals 20. Years So your Suggestion this is some how a new Trend is BS. And people still move to California

Since 2010, about 7.5 million people moved from California to other states, while only 5.8 million people moved to California from other parts of the country.Nov 19, 2022
It’s not balanced but it’s not just a one way street out of town

The survey also showed about 203,405 residents moved out of Florida in 2019, or about 550 per day.Dec 16, 2022. So fla actual sees 300 A day not 800

Once again the fact are not on yourside People always come and go but people moving because of politics may actually be happening statistically it is another right wing fantasy you latched onto

wdmso

01-08-2023, 09:09 PM

Rep. Comer: I'm 'Not Convinced' McCarthy Won't Be Vacated

Yep he’s in on it …

Says the guy whos Ranking Member James Comer (R-Ky.) opened today’s second House Committee on Oversight and Reform hearing about the January 6 attack on the U.S. Capitol by chastising Democrats for holding a partisan show hearing that is unlikely to uncover any new information.

Seems much new information was released

Comer joined with his MAGA ally Jim Jordan and sent a letter to the House Judiciary and Oversight committees calling for hearings on the “integrity of the 2020 election” claiming baseless allegations of “irregularities and improprieties.”
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Pete F.

01-08-2023, 11:30 PM

“some people
thought they were better off.”

not “some”. A record. about 58%. what facts do you have, to support your assertion that Trumps policies had nothing to do with it?

if people only moved from NY to FL for sunshine, and politics had nothing to do with it, common sense says some would move to CA. there’s sunshine and jobs in CA. but so many more go to FL. why?

does CA not have sunshine and jobs?

you’re embarrassing yourself.

Trump lost

People move from NY to CT also.

People are also moving from red to blue states and the vast majority of the ones I know who have taken Florida residency are retired.

Tampa was the only city in the country with double digit inflation this year.

But just keep believing and embarrassing yourself.
Remember you’re a grown man who has a wee wee. 🤦
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Pete F.

01-09-2023, 07:02 AM

wdmso

01-09-2023, 09:03 AM

DeSantis is currently giving refuge to not one but two different former presidents whose supporters tried to tear down their governments because of an election loss.
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Some current comments from people the freedom caucus love

Steve Brannon. Lula stole the Election… Brazilians know this," he wrote repeatedly on the social media site Gettr. He called the people who stormed the buildings "Freedom Fighters".

Ali Alexander. The National Supreme Court is illegitimate and the most corrupt pastrami of the country they doesn’t respect the law of the people. Do what Evers necessary. We love you

yep from domestic Terrorist to international Terrorist

Normally the A-1 is canceled after the recipient leaves office. But with Bolsonaro having left Brazil and entered the United States before his term ended, the official suspected his A-1 is still active.

It will get interesting if Brazil wants him. Back I am sure the US will send him back.. if they ask

But I doubt Brazil will , want that for obvious reason. And I doubt the US will remove him soon as long as he quite

What do you think the over /under is he shows up on Tucker ?

wdmso

01-09-2023, 09:16 AM

wdmso

01-09-2023, 09:30 AM

House, with its new Republican majority in place, plans to vote this coming week on a resolution to create a special judiciary subcommittee on the "weaponization of the federal government," a topic the GOP has indicated could include reviewing probes into former president Donald Trump,

This is part of GOP's fulfillment of its promise to its voters for wide-ranging investigations into law enforcement and national security agencies.

The panel would be overseen by Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who is also set to become the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee

Yep the man who refused a congressional Subpoena. And who’s party and followers attacked the Capitol who’s president tried to steal the election.

Have the balls to claim Biden is weaponizing the federal government against its people.
This is some dangerous rhetoric. . Their loading the gun for 2024 when and if they lose again

I can’t wait till everyone icalled to testify does a Jim Jordan and refuses a subpoena takes the fifth for every question

Jim in CT

01-09-2023, 09:32 AM

It’s Already starting

Rep. Mike Waltz, R-Fla., said on Sunday that he is for a balanced budget, but not if it means cutting defense spending.

Then he’s not for a balanced budget . Because that’s were the money is

there’s not one cent spent elsewhere. nope. is it possible that there’s some unnecessary spending in the military budget that can be cut?

How about big fat covid relief payments to huge numbers of americans who didn’t need them? there’s no waste like that to be cut? None?

I read that the GOP wants to end SS and Medicare, and take the money that’s in there now, and divide it up amongst themselves. and they’re going to send poison in the mail to poor people, and require that once a day, every single american find a golden retriever puppy, and kick it in the face.

the last balanced budget was crafted by Bill Clinton and a republican congress led by Newt Gingrich. Did the world come to an end? or has history viewed it as great policy?

“like everything else, balanced budgets are only ok when democrats do it.”

i’m old enough to remember the last time the GOP was in charge, way way way back, eons ago, in 2017. Until covid hit, 2017-2020 was considered a prosperous and peaceful
time. wasn’t it?

wdmso

01-09-2023, 09:51 AM

there’s not one cent spent elsewhere. nope. is it possible that there’s some unnecessary spending in the military budget that can be cut?

How about big fat covid relief payments to huge numbers of americans who didn’t need them? there’s no waste like that to be cut? None?

I read that the GOP wants to end SS and Medicare, and take the money that’s in there now, and divide it up amongst themselves. and they’re going to send poison in the mail to poor people, and require that once a day, every single american find a golden retriever puppy, and kick it in the face. that’s why i voted for them, so they better deliver, dam
it!

the last balanced budget was crafted by Bill Clinton and a republican congress led by Newt Gingrich. Did the world come to an end? or has history viewed it as great policy?

“like everything else, balanced budgets are only ok when democrats do it.”

Well Jim the truth is only the Democrats have ever done a balanced budget since Clinton . this is all smoke and mirrors keep believing the lies . like I said they only want to be fiscally responsible when the other parties in charge.

And of course you missed the point they don’t want to look for any money in the military budget . I said that was going to happen and presto not 2 days after the speaker was seated that’s the message from the GOP

They want to take it from Social Security Medicare and other programs that help all Americans That’s not even up for debate it’s a known fact

These clowns are not taking a Scalpel to balance the budget. Their going to use a chainsaw and a wood chipper and hostages to dismantle any form of what they see is social welfare in the country and replace it with nothing.

We know you’re excited like many other conservatives . Who’s only concern is that in the next 2 year they own the libs and feed every fantasy from hunters laptop to the federal government being weaponized against the American people.. it’s not a search of Truth
It’s all well choreographed play. They will drag out in till 2024 in hopes of influencing the election While claiming transparency…

The worst part is Jim we’ve all seen the movie before

Got Stripers

01-09-2023, 10:03 AM

If Trump didn't ruin this party, go take apart social security and Medicare, that will be the end of the party. All those retired republicans in FL will love that idea won't they Jim? Jim why the greatest hits, the only one believing them is you, why keep posting them, everyone knows Trump inherited a robust economy, it only makes sense people were doing better when he took office and until covid hit.

Jim in CT

01-09-2023, 10:13 AM

Well Jim the truth is only the Democrats have ever done a balanced budget since Clinton . this is all smoke and mirrors keep believing the lies . like I said they only want to be fiscally responsible when the other parties in charge.

And of course you missed the point they don’t want to look for any money in the military budget . I said that was going to happen and presto not 2 days after the speaker was seated that’s the message from the GOP

They want to take it from Social Security Medicare and other programs that help all Americans That’s not even up for debate it’s a known fact

These clowns are not taking a Scalpel to balance the budget. Their going to use a chainsaw and a wood chipper and hostages to dismantle any form of what they see is social welfare in the country and replace it with nothing.

We know you’re excited like many other conservatives . Who’s only concern is that in the next 2 year they own the libs and feed every fantasy from hunters laptop to the federal government being weaponized against the American people.. it’s not a search of Truth
It’s all well choreographed play. They will drag out in till 2024 in hopes of influencing the election While claiming transparency…

The worst part is Jim we’ve all seen the movie before

"Well Jim the truth is only the Democrats have ever done a balanced budget since Clinton"

When, after Bill Clinton was president, did the democrats balance the federal budget?

Look, I have said many times I give the GOP a big fat F on this issue. When campaigning, republicans claim to want a balanced budget, then once elected, they fail to deliver.

But if you're trying to say that democrats are more fiscally responsible than republicans, I'm not sure Americans would buy it.

"They want to take it from Social Security Medicare "

SS and Medicare are rapidly going broke. It's very easy to say they shouldn't be cut. Tell me where the money comes from.

Democrats have never cut social security and medicare? Democrats have never raised the minimum age to get benefits, which is a cut?

WDMSO, due respect, but maybe you spent too much time in the public sector where you just expect the money will be always there because it's confiscated, and not enough time in the private sector, where you learn that there are limits to what you can spend, you can't spend more than there is. That's not an attempt at giving you the middle finger, it's just an observation based on your consistent comments that there's an endless supply of money.

The surplus in SS is running out. So either we raise taxes meaningfully, or we cut benefits. We've known this was coming for 40 years, and we've done nothing, because we elect people who are pretty and famous, not people who actually know how to solve problems.

SS can not continue as is for long, it's going to be bankrupt in about 14 years. Either we keep benefits where they are and enact big tax hikes to pay for it, or we reduce benefits to what can be funded. That's called "reality".

Both parties have chosen to ignore that reality, because they didn't want to speak unpopular truth.

If you're opposed to cutting benefits, that's a great bumper sticker. But it doesn't tell us how you'd pay for it.

How much debt are you comfortable with leaving to future generations? Is there any limit?

"The worst part is Jim we’ve all seen the movie before"

Yes we did. The Russia hoax investigation.

Social Security was designed to help people in the last years of their lives. It wasn't built to fund decades of greens fees for huge numbers of Baby Boomers. But cowardly politicians wanted those votes, so they chose not to reign it in.

It became a Ponzi Scheme, that's exactly what it is, and those all meet the same inevitable ending. This is why teachers unions cunningly got their teachers exempt from this awful trap.

Pete F.

01-09-2023, 11:35 AM

US tax to GDP ratio is one of the lowest among OECD countries and US corporate tax rates are also the lowest among the G7 nations and half of what they were in the 50s and 60s.
We can make the choice to get our healthcare expenditures under control or continue down the path of increasing costs and decreasing results that we are on causing the USA to be the only developed country in the world where medical bankruptcy is a threat and life expectancy is declining.
Poor victim crying poverty is absurd but it fits his narrative.
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wdmso

01-09-2023, 11:55 AM

"Well Jim the truth is only the Democrats have ever done a balanced budget since Clinton"

When, after Bill Clinton was president, did the democrats balance the federal budget?

Look, I have said many times I give the GOP a big fat F on this issue. When campaigning, republicans claim to want a balanced budget, then once elected, they fail to deliver.

But if you're trying to say that democrats are more fiscally responsible than republicans, I'm not sure Americans would buy it. Dems have never claimed to be but Government deficits always trend lower when their in office . americans understand what policies are passed to Help them and the Nation and which party pass stuff to help big business and the wealthy they Buy that

"They want to take it from Social Security Medicare "

SS and Medicare are rapidly going broke. It's very easy to say they shouldn't be cut. Tell me where the money comes from.

Democrats have never cut social security and medicare? Democrats have never raised the minimum age to get benefits, which is a cut?
the difference Jim is and you know it Dems want to fix these programs republicans want to end them or even crazier privitize them and a age increase is not a cut if its grandfathered in

WDMSO, due respect, but maybe you spent too much time in the public sector where you just expect the money will be always there because it's confiscated, and not enough time in the private sector, where you learn that there are limits to what you can spend, you can't spend more than there is. That's not an attempt at giving you the middle finger, it's just an observation based on your consistent comments that there's an endless supply of money.

Being in public service hasn't clouded any of my Judgments Republican behavior over 30years has made their intent very clear
but dont be fooled not of the cut republicans wish to find will be made to help the SS surplus

The surplus in SS is running out. So either we raise taxes meaningfully, or we cut benefits. We've known this was coming for 40 years, and we've done nothing, because we elect people who are pretty and famous, not people who actually know how to solve problems.

SS can not continue as is for long, it's going to be bankrupt in about 14 years. Either we keep benefits where they are and enact big tax hikes to pay for it, or we reduce benefits to what can be funded. That's called "reality".

Both parties have chosen to ignore that reality, because they didn't want to speak unpopular truth.

If you're opposed to cutting benefits, that's a great bumper sticker. But it doesn't tell us how you'd pay for it.

How much debt are you comfortable with leaving to future generations? Is there any limit?

"The worst part is Jim we’ve all seen the movie before"

Yes we did. The Russia hoax investigation. Can't get convictions on Hoaxes jim. and seems attempts to overthrow the Government by a sitting POTUS is no big deal but hunters laptop is

Social Security was designed to help people in the last years of their lives. It wasn't built to fund decades of greens fees for huge numbers of Baby Boomers. But cowardly politicians wanted those votes, so they chose not to reign it in.

It became a Ponzi Scheme, that's exactly what it is, and those all meet the same inevitable ending. This is why teachers unions cunningly got their teachers exempt from this awful trap.

I didn't pay into SS on my state job. I contributed into the states pension fund . and my own deferred comp plan .. but it was never to avoid SS

This is why teachers unions cunningly got their teachers exempt from this awful trap yep keep thinking thats what happened

Social Security is the major source of income for most of the elderly.
AKA the bulk of GOP voters :rotflmao:

Jim in CT

01-09-2023, 12:11 PM

Jim in CT

01-09-2023, 12:12 PM

Social Security is the major source of income for most of the elderly.
:

I agree. That doesn't mean, that it's not going broke.

I asked you how you'd fund it, since you oppose cutting it, and you dodged.

Wayne, if you don't know how to fund it, it's not right to attack those who say benefits need to be cut, because you offer zero evidence that it doesn't need to be cut.

Pete F.

01-09-2023, 02:45 PM

Jim in CT

01-09-2023, 03:32 PM

The tale that Democrats are leftists and Republicans are rightists is absurd at best.
The Democratic Party is Centrist at best with the exception of the Progressive wing while the Republican Party has grown more and more authoritarian.

The actual existing line up of elected Republicans across the nation is worse than before--with Reps. Cheney, Kinzinger, and Upton gone, Sens. Portman, Toomey, and Burr gone, Govs. Hogan and Baker gone.

The GOP is more extreme and authoritarian than ever.
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"The Democratic Party is Centrist at best"

Sure, sure. Abortions until the 9th month, defund the police, men sharing bathrooms with little girls, open borders, endless scope to federal government. All centrist ideas for sure.

"the Republican Party has grown more and more authoritarian."

Say that all you want, it doesn't make it less stupid. The GOP wants a much smaller federal government presence, than the democrats. That you can deny that with a straight face, shows how bonkers you are.

"The GOP is more extreme and authoritarian than ever."

Sure Pete. Sure.

Extremist republicans want less federal government, more freedoms. They don't want zero federal government, but nowhere near what the democrats advocate for.

Take off the tin foil hat and talk sense.

Pete F.

01-09-2023, 04:10 PM

"The Democratic Party is Centrist at best"

Sure, sure. Abortions until the 9th month, defund the police, men sharing bathrooms with little girls, open borders, endless scope to federal government. All centrist ideas for sure.

"the Republican Party has grown more and more authoritarian."

Say that all you want, it doesn't make it less stupid. The GOP wants a much smaller federal government presence, than the democrats. That you can deny that with a straight face, shows how bonkers you are.

"The GOP is more extreme and authoritarian than ever."

Sure Pete. Sure.

Extremist republicans want less federal government, more freedoms. They don't want zero federal government, but nowhere near what the democrats advocate for.

Take off the tin foil hat and talk sense.

You repeat right wing tropes and think I should wear a tinfoil hat…

Abortion is between patient and doctor, ask your doctor what would happen to a licensed medical professional if they killed a viable midterm fetus.
Oddly enough the police funding has increased, results have not because police don’t prevent crime. They show up after it happens. Crime prevention starts with funding social programs and creating opportunity.
Republicans spend a lot of time worrying about what perverts like their leaders Matt Gaetz, Trump and Matt Schlap do and accuse Dems of enabling them.

Open Borders is the cry that every would be immigrant has heard from Republicans, once again enforcement has been greater with a democratic administration.
The federal spending bill that Congress passed last month includes increased funding for border security and the hiring of more agents.

More than 85% of Republicans in Congress voted against it.

Before you take the GOP's “concerns” about the border seriously, check their votes.

82% of our national debt was by Republicans.
But Republicans are suddenly concerned about the government spending on the average American and perfectly willing to cut taxes for corporations, the rich and then cut enforcement for what they do owe.

Republicans lost interest in governing the minute they sold their souls to Trump. Best evidence is the "content" of their 2020 party platform.

Feel free to spew some more baloney
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wdmso

01-09-2023, 04:32 PM

WDMSO -

"Government deficits always trend lower when their in office "

Depends on if you're talking about potus or congress, and what events were taking place at the time. I don't claim that at the national level, the GOP is any better with actions, but they make promises they don't keep.

"which party pass stuff to help big business and the wealthy"

That's perception. Reality, is that the left is wealthier than the right and that big business donates more to democrats now. That wasn't always the case, but its the case today.

"Dems want to fix these programs"

Wrong. Dems "claim" they want to fix them, by opposing cuts. But they never tell you what needs to be done to avoid cuts, and they never tell you where that money will come from., The easiest thing in the world, is for a politician to make promises.

"and a age increase is not a cut if its grandfathered in"

Yes it is. It's telling me that I will get less. That's a cut. I can't get benefits until I'm 67.5, my dad started getting benefits when he was way younger. That's a cut. It's way to save money. And I'm not saying it's bad, but don't tell me it's not a cut in benefits. Even if the raise the age way before I was ready to start collecting, it's a cut.

Jim your logic is flawed grandfathered means example when if your 40 or younger you collect at the new age and don’t get mad at me it’s Republicans who want to change the Age and I bet they won’t grandfather anyone

"Being in public service hasn't clouded any of my Judgments"

Respectfully, I disagree. You think the solution is always to spend more money. And you think that every time a Republican suggests we live within our means, they don't care about the poor. I've been in the public sector, and almost everyone there feels exactly the same way. Never any concern, ever, for if they are demanding too much from their neighbors.

every time a Republican suggests we live within our means, It’s when their not in power Funny how that works. If they were serious the Military budget would be on the table but it’s not.
I love this argument we should run the government like families run their budget What a joke

"Can't get convictions on Hoaxes jim"

Right!! No innocent person has ever been convicted! Never! By the way, what was Trump convicted of? Nothing.

Oh now their innocent :btu:

"yep keep thinking thats what happened"

Are you denying that teachers are exempt from SS? They don't pay one cent into it. Nor do they collect obviously, but their pensions (at least in CT) are several times more lucrative than SS. I know many public teachers whose pensions are over $70k a year, starting much younger than I'll be eligible for SS payments, which won't be anywhere near that high. And I pay more into SS than Connecticut teachers pay into their pensions.

No you don’t Jim stop hating Union because they’re benefiting from being in a union

The Top 10 / Bottom 10 States by Average Quality of Retirement Benefits for New Teachers
South Carolina (94.2%)
Tennessee (88.2%)
South Dakota (78.7%)
Oregon (78.6%)
Michigan (75.3%)
Washington (74.4%)
Rhode Island (73.9%)
Florida (73.7%)
Hawaii (71.0%)
Virginia (70.7%)

… 36 Connecticut Pension score is 53.80% how can red states have teachers with better pensions than CT

I'll ask again, is there any limit to the amount of debt which you feel entitled to pass onto future generations? Is there any limit? And are we anywhere near that limit?

What your answer Jim? Seems you were silent with Trumps unfunded tax cuts and his debt , Republicans had no problem with Iraq and Afghanistan were unfunded

Since invading Afghanistan in 2001, the United States has spent $2.313 trillion on the war, which includes operations in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. But Biden saved money leaving but the GOP wants to investigate :btu:

Republicans could give a f. K about future generations Just look at them on climate or renewal energy or electric cars. But keep thinking that’s why the next 2 years is going to be a circus like we’ve never seen in the history or the United States of America :claps:

Here some knowledge for ya

the average Social Security retirement benefit in January 2022 was about $1,614 per month, or about $19,370 per year.

Without Social Security benefits, about 4 in 10 adults aged 65 and older would have incomes below the poverty line

Social Security benefits lift 1.1 million children above the poverty line

Over 6.5 million children under age 18 lived in families who received income from Social Security

Fact #9: Social Security is especially beneficial for women.

Social Security is especially important for women, because they tend to earn less than men, take more time out of the paid workforce, live longer, accumulate less savings, and receive smaller pensions.

Keep convincing yourself Republicans are trying to save social Security and their trying to help their fellow Americans live a better life. With a balanced budget

To Republicans Social Security is Welfarism Why would they want to cut or privatize Social Security? Because they’ve wanted to do it for 87 years. Because, despite its popularity , their ideology and self-interest demand it. And because, as Republican judges, governors, and presidents have demonstrated, the party has no interest in preserving democratic norms.

Jim in CT

01-09-2023, 06:04 PM

What your answer Jim? Seems you were silent with Trumps unfunded tax cuts and his debt , Republicans had no problem with Iraq and Afghanistan were unfunded

Since invading Afghanistan in 2001, the United States has spent $2.313 trillion on the war, which includes operations in both Afghanistan and Pakistan. But Biden saved money leaving but the GOP wants to investigate :btu:

Republicans could give a f. K about future generations Just look at them on climate or renewal energy or electric cars. But keep thinking that’s why the next 2 years is going to be a circus like we’ve never seen in the history or the United States of America :claps:

Here some knowledge for ya

the average Social Security retirement benefit in January 2022 was about $1,614 per month, or about $19,370 per year.

Without Social Security benefits, about 4 in 10 adults aged 65 and older would have incomes below the poverty line

Social Security benefits lift 1.1 million children above the poverty line

Over 6.5 million children under age 18 lived in families who received income from Social Security

Fact #9: Social Security is especially beneficial for women.

Social Security is especially important for women, because they tend to earn less than men, take more time out of the paid workforce, live longer, accumulate less savings, and receive smaller pensions.

Keep convincing yourself Republicans are trying to save social Security and their trying to help their fellow Americans live a better life. With a balanced budget

To Republicans Social Security is Welfarism Why would they want to cut or privatize Social Security? Because they’ve wanted to do it for 87 years. Because, despite its popularity , their ideology and self-interest demand it. And because, as Republican judges, governors, and presidents have demonstrated, the party has no interest in preserving democratic norms.

OK, YOU said it was wrong for the GOP to propose cuts to those programs, so I asked you how you'd pay for it, and you won't answer.

Wayne, NO ONE is arguing that SS helps people. I'm asking you, how you'd pay for current benefits, because the program is going broke.

Do you ever, ever, ever answer a question the way it's been asked?

"What your answer Jim?"

Find a structure of benefits that can be funded with current taxes. That's my answer. If that means cutting benefits, then that means cutting benefits. Maybe time to tell people who make a million bucks a year, they can't collect. Start there. But that won't be nearly enough.

Here's how this went.

WDMSO: Republicans are bad, they want to cut SS.

Jim: it's going broke. if you don't reduce benefits, how would you pay for it?

WDMSO: People like getting checks in the mail. They need those checks. How can you be so mean?

WDMSO, you also said that after Clinton was President, only democrats balanced the federal budget. I asked you to comment on that, because the fact is, the budget has never been balanced since Clinton and Gingrich did it. So you just make stuff up out of thin air, you make up blatant lies.

"And I pay more into SS than Connecticut teachers pay into their pensions.

No you don’t Jim stop hating Union"

OK, now you deny that I pay more into SS, than CT teachers pay into their pensions

Prepare to be exposed as a liar again.

From investopedia, the 2022 tax rate for SS contributions was 12.4%.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/social-security-tax.asp

Here, a CT newspaper states that Connecticut teachers contribute 7% of their salary to their pension.

https://ctmirror.org/2019/01/10/fact-vs-fiction-the-reality-of-retired-teachers-pension-and-health-benefits/

Enlighten is, oh brilliant Wayne., is 12.4 less than 7...or is it more than 7?

"Seems you were silent with Trumps unfunded tax cuts and his debt"

I've said here a thousand times, that Trump gets a big, fat F on spending and fiscal responsibility. You're just lying, lying, lying.

Bitch slapped. Completely, utterly, bitch slapped.

"Republicans could give a f. K about future generations"

A very rational, cogent argument. You know you don't have facts or common sense on your side, so all you have is demonstrable lies and deranged, paranoid bile.

Say hi to Pete for me, when you see him at the mental hospital.

I tried Wayne, I really did. You cannot have a discussion. It's not possible.

Wayne's math! 7 is greater than 12.4!!

Think about this...not only do CT teachers pay way less into their pension than I pay into SS...their benefit is much higher...their annual benefit is 75% of the average of their 3 highest annual salaries, which can easily top 75k. What's the maximum SS benefit, 40k? And while I can't collect SS until I'm 67.5, teachers can collect after 37.5 years of service, which is age 59.5 if you start at age 22.

So teachers contribute way less, get a much higher benefit, and start collecting that benefit many years earlier.

And if SS is going bankrupt, you can bet that CT teacher pensions are going bankrupt faster.

That's not hating teachers Wayne. It's arithmetic. Arithmetic does not give a frog's fat azz if you don't like it. It is what it is.

You, who want endless funds from the public who has to sacrifice more and more all the time, are the one that doesn't give a darn about future generations. You don't care how much debt you saddle them with, as long as some of that pork is flowing into your pocket.

Jim in CT

01-09-2023, 06:07 PM

Well Jim the truth is only the Democrats have ever done a balanced budget since Clinton .

Fact - there has never been a balanced budget since Clinton, neither by democrats nor Republicans. Pease tell us what the heck you are talking about.

https://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/03/cnn-fact-check-the-last-president-to-balance-the-budget/

Pete F.

01-09-2023, 06:38 PM

OK, YOU said it was wrong for the GOP to propose cuts to those programs, so I asked you how you'd pay for it, and you won't answer.

Wayne, NO ONE is arguing that SS helps people. I'm asking you, how you'd pay for current benefits, because the program is going broke.

Do you ever, ever, ever answer a question the way it's been asked?

"What your answer Jim?"

Find a structure of benefits that can be funded with current taxes. That's my answer. If that means cutting benefits, then that means cutting benefits. Maybe time to tell people who make a million bucks a year, they can't collect. Start there. But that won't be nearly enough.

Here's how this went.

WDMSO: Republicans are bad, they want to cut SS.

Jim: it's going broke. if you don't reduce benefits, how would you pay for it?

WDMSO: People like getting checks in the mail. They need those checks. How can you be so mean?

WDMSO, you also said that after Clinton was President, only democrats balanced the federal budget. I asked you to comment on that, because the fact is, the budget has never been balanced since Clinton and Gingrich did it. So you just make stuff up out of thin air, you make up blatant lies.

"And I pay more into SS than Connecticut teachers pay into their pensions.

No you don’t Jim stop hating Union"

OK, now you deny that I pay more into SS, than CT teachers pay into their pensions

Prepare to be exposed as a liar again.

From investopedia, the 2022 tax rate for SS contributions was 12.4%.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/social-security-tax.asp

Here, a CT newspaper states that Connecticut teachers contribute 7% of their salary to their pension.

https://ctmirror.org/2019/01/10/fact-vs-fiction-the-reality-of-retired-teachers-pension-and-health-benefits/

Enlighten is, oh brilliant Wayne., is 12.4 less than 7...or is it more than 7?

"Seems you were silent with Trumps unfunded tax cuts and his debt"

I've said here a thousand times, that Trump gets a big, fat F on spending and fiscal responsibility. You're just lying, lying, lying.

Bitch slapped. Completely, utterly, bitch slapped.

"Republicans could give a f. K about future generations"

A very rational, cogent argument. You know you don't have facts or common sense on your side, so all you have is demonstrable lies and deranged, paranoid bile.

Say hi to Pete for me, when you see him at the mental hospital.

I tried Wayne, I really did. You cannot have a discussion. It's not possible.

Wayne's math! 7 is greater than 12.4!!

Think about this...not only do CT teachers pay way less into their pension than I pay into SS...their benefit is much higher...their annual benefit is 75% of the average of their 3 highest annual salaries, which can easily top 75k. What's the maximum SS benefit, 40k? And while I can't collect SS until I'm 67.5, teachers can collect after 37.5 years of service, which is age 59.5 if you start at age 22.

So teachers contribute way less, get a much higher benefit, and start collecting that benefit many years earlier.

And if SS is going bankrupt, you can bet that CT teacher pensions are going bankrupt faster.

That's not hating teachers Wayne. It's arithmetic. Arithmetic does not give a frog's fat azz if you don't like it. It is what it is.

You, who want endless funds from the public who has to sacrifice more and more all the time, are the one that doesn't give a darn about future generations. You don't care how much debt you saddle them with, as long as some of that pork is flowing into your pocket.

Poor victim
Nobody with a wee wee will ever be an alpha male, that’s why you’re only capable of acting like a teenager.

Never mind that poverty and lack of healthcare are rampant in Republican states, but Floriduh….
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Got Stripers

01-09-2023, 06:48 PM

Any bets on if McCarthy lasts even one year? The GOP has always had their inter party battles, Gingrich, Boehner, Ryan and who would be next?

Pete F.

01-09-2023, 08:26 PM

The HouseGOP's very first bill of this Congress would if they controlled the Senate and Presidency:

1) Cut IRS funding
2) Thus making it easier for tax cheats to thrive
3) Increase the deficit by $114 billion over the next 10 years

More great stuff from the party of "law and order" and "fiscal responsibility.”
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Jim in CT

01-09-2023, 08:30 PM

Pete F.

01-09-2023, 08:34 PM

Any bets on if McCarthy lasts even one year? The GOP has always had their inter party battles, Gingrich, Boehner, Ryan and who would be next?

Is this where the Brits compared the PM longevity to a head of lettuce, as Americans, might I suggest a 🥩

Of the four GOP US House speakers in modern times…#^&
Newt Gingrich quit in frustration in ’98
Denny Hastert served 8 years (later convicted of finance and sex crimes)
John Boehner quit in frustration in ’15
Paul Ryan quit in frustration in ’18

It’s systemic, not personal.
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Pete F.

01-09-2023, 08:46 PM

i thought slaughtering the poor would be in the top 3? the 4th Reich is upon us.

If the Republicans kill too many more of the poorly educated whites, they’ll never get re-elected.

But don’t worry the House just adopted a rules package with only one Republican voting against it. Not only does it get rid of the House Ethics Committee, but it also makes Kevin McCarthy truly Speaker in name only now. He has absolutely no control over his caucus.

Why would anyone be surprised? This is, after all, the same gang who voted to not certify the results of the 2020 election. And supported the coup. There is no rehabilitating these people, even as Marge tries to put some space between herself & Q. The Reprehensible Party.
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wdmso

01-09-2023, 08:51 PM

Fact - there has never been a balanced budget since Clinton, neither by democrats nor Republicans. Pease tell us what the heck you are talking about.

https://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/02/03/cnn-fact-check-the-last-president-to-balance-the-budget/

Just stating facts Jim not sure why that bugs you?
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wdmso

01-09-2023, 09:11 PM

OK, YOU said it was wrong for the GOP to propose cuts to those programs, so I asked you how you'd pay for it, and you won't answer.

Wayne, NO ONE is arguing that SS helps people. I'm asking you, how you'd pay for current benefits, because the program is going broke.

Do you ever, ever, ever answer a question the way it's been asked?

"What your answer Jim?"

Find a structure of benefits that can be funded with current taxes. That's my answer. If that means cutting benefits, then that means cutting benefits. Maybe time to tell people who make a million bucks a year, they can't collect. Start there. But that won't be nearly enough.

Here's how this went.

WDMSO: Republicans are bad, they want to cut SS.

Jim: it's going broke. if you don't reduce benefits, how would you pay for it?

WDMSO: People like getting checks in the mail. They need those checks. How can you be so mean?

WDMSO, you also said that after Clinton was President, only democrats balanced the federal budget. I asked you to comment on that, because the fact is, the budget has never been balanced since Clinton and Gingrich did it. So you just make stuff up out of thin air, you make up blatant lies.

"And I pay more into SS than Connecticut teachers pay into their pensions.

No you don’t Jim stop hating Union"

OK, now you deny that I pay more into SS, than CT teachers pay into their pensions

Prepare to be exposed as a liar again.

From investopedia, the 2022 tax rate for SS contributions was 12.4%.

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/s/social-security-tax.asp

Here, a CT newspaper states that Connecticut teachers contribute 7% of their salary to their pension.

https://ctmirror.org/2019/01/10/fact-vs-fiction-the-reality-of-retired-teachers-pension-and-health-benefits/

Enlighten is, oh brilliant Wayne., is 12.4 less than 7...or is it more than 7?

"Seems you were silent with Trumps unfunded tax cuts and his debt"

I've said here a thousand times, that Trump gets a big, fat F on spending and fiscal responsibility. You're just lying, lying, lying.

Bitch slapped. Completely, utterly, bitch slapped.

"Republicans could give a f. K about future generations"

A very rational, cogent argument. You know you don't have facts or common sense on your side, so all you have is demonstrable lies and deranged, paranoid bile.

Say hi to Pete for me, when you see him at the mental hospital.

I tried Wayne, I really did. You cannot have a discussion. It's not possible.

Wayne's math! 7 is greater than 12.4!!

Think about this...not only do CT teachers pay way less into their pension than I pay into SS...their benefit is much higher...their annual benefit is 75% of the average of their 3 highest annual salaries, which can easily top 75k. What's the maximum SS benefit, 40k? And while I can't collect SS until I'm 67.5, teachers can collect after 37.5 years of service, which is age 59.5 if you start at age 22.

So teachers contribute way less, get a much higher benefit, and start collecting that benefit many years earlier.

And if SS is going bankrupt, you can bet that CT teacher pensions are going bankrupt faster.

That's not hating teachers Wayne. It's arithmetic. Arithmetic does not give a frog's fat azz if you don't like it. It is what it is.

You, who want endless funds from the public who has to sacrifice more and more all the time, are the one that doesn't give a darn about future generations. You don't care how much debt you saddle them with, as long as some of that pork is flowing into your pocket.

Jim keep your fantasy that anyone in a better situation than you is taking advantage of you or stealing or taking your tax money.

Keep thinking Republicans care if Social Security fails or you don’t get your money the money you deserve

You ask were the moneys going to come from ? ask your boy and his tax cuts ask your party and why they won’t touch the military budget?
like I told you if they’re not interested in cutting it. Their not interested in cutting spending

If the Republicans wanted to take a bit from here and a bit from there that would be reasonable even responsible.. but that’s not their reality

the GOP doesn’t give a darn about future generations. .fiscally or environmentally they only care about the next election cycle
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Jim in CT

01-09-2023, 09:19 PM

Just stating facts Jim not sure why that bugs you?
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what fact? you lied and said democrats had balanced budgets after Clinton. that’s what you said, and it’s wrong.

You said CT teachers pay more into their pension (7%) than i pay into SS (12.4%). that’s what you said, and it’s wrong.

you said i was silent on trump racking up debt. That’s what you said and it’s wrong.

You’re facts need a serious tune up.

Pete F.

01-10-2023, 06:38 AM

i thought slaughtering the poor would be in the top 3? the 4th Reich is upon us.

Diamond —of the right-wing, Trump- loving duo Diamond and Silk— has died. In late November, she was hospitalized due to COVID-19. The duo was fired by Fox News a couple years ago for spreading misinformation about COVID-19 and vaccines. You cannot script this stuff.
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Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 07:34 AM

Diamond —of the right-wing, Trump- loving duo Diamond and Silk— has died. In late November, she was hospitalized due to COVID-19. The duo was fired by Fox News a couple years ago for spreading misinformation about COVID-19 and vaccines. You cannot script this stuff.
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there are. o crazies in the left, they are only on the right.

you want to see the left wing equivalent of diamond and silk? you don’t have to go far. Look in the mirror. how are you different from them?

wdmso

01-10-2023, 08:00 AM

OK, now you deny that I pay more into SS, than CT teachers pay into their pensions

Prepare to be exposed as a liar again.

7% is more than 12%

Below is from Jim’s own link

In 2022, the Social Security tax rate is 12.4%, divided evenly between employers and employees:kewl

Social Security is financed through a dedicated payroll tax. Employers and employees each pay 6.2 percent of wages up to the taxable maximum of $160,200 (in 2023), while the self-employed pay 12.4 percent.

If you are you self employed? Than ya you’ll pay 12.4 because your the boss and the employe so your still as an employee only paying 6.2 %

Do the arithmetic. Math doesn’t lie 6.2 % is not 7%

Social Security is financed through a dedicated payroll tax. Employers and employees each pay 6.2 percent of wages up to the taxable maximum of $160,200 (in 2023), while the self-employed pay 12.4 percent.

Got Stripers

01-10-2023, 08:03 AM

Jim are you feeling like you are on an island, the last far right man standing, Scott has apparently run out of one liners and Dad apparently is waiting for the news that children are actually being eaten.

Pete F.

01-10-2023, 08:19 AM

there are. o crazies in the left, they are only on the right.

you want to see the left wing equivalent of diamond and silk? you don’t have to go far. Look in the mirror. how are you different from them?

Actually you echo plenty of what they said….

How’s Sylvia?
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Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 08:23 AM

Jim are you feeling like you on an island, the last far right man standing, Scott has apparently run out of one liners and Dad apparently is waiting for children to be eaten.

yup, the one who is in favor of gay marriage, in favor of gun control, opposed to the death penalty, who thinks biden won fair and square, is the extremist.

every single one of you, says the same exact thing with every single post - some version of “the liberal is good, the conservative is evil”. every single post, is a variation of that. no exceptions, not ever. but you’re not extreme.

wayne says the gop doesn’t give an f about future generations. yup. the party who thinks babies have right to be born, the party who is in favor of families choosing the best school for their kids, the party that wanted schools to open up once the data showed there was no reason to close them….clearly those people don’t care at all about the future.

wayne claims that democrats have balanced the budget multiple times after bill clinton was president, when it happened zero times. he even claimed that 7 is greater than 12.4, because otherwise he’d have had to admit i was right about something.

low on honest thinking, but chock full of deranged hate.

Dad is the most rational, middle of the road guy here. maybe listen to what he says. when he tells me i’m being an idiot, i listen, because the times he has said that, he was right.

Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 08:32 AM

how long before the gop opens up the death camps?

Got Stripers

01-10-2023, 09:04 AM

wdmso

01-10-2023, 09:07 AM

yup, the one who is in favor of gay marriage, in favor of gun control, opposed to the death penalty, who thinks biden won fair and square, is the extremist.

every single one of you, says the same exact thing with every single post - some version of “the liberal is good, the conservative is evil”. every single post, is a variation of that. no exceptions, not ever. but you’re not extreme.

wayne says the gop doesn’t give an f about future generations. yup. the party who thinks babies have right to be born,

Jim you Means the party once the babies are born they don’t care b
They cut welfare program social programs food stamps which help those children

the party who is in favor of families choosing the best school for their kids,

The school choice hoax it’s only in place for religious zealots, hidden behind looking like helping poor people, considered kids to religious schools They want the government to pay go figure.

the party that wanted schools to open up once the data showed there was no reason to close them….clearly those people don’t care at all about the future.

wayne claims that democrats have balanced the budget multiple times after bill clinton

Making stuff up again. I posted there hasn’t been a balance budget since Clinton, but he try’s to spin what was said shocking

was president, when it happened zero times. he even claimed that 7 is greater than 12.4, because otherwise he’d have had to admit i was right about something.

So Jim Are you telling us that you’re self-employed? Or not ? Because regardless, if you are or you’re not the business pays 6.2% and the employee pays 6.2%, both a less than seven.

low on honest thinking, but chock full of deranged hate.

Dad is the most rational, middle of the road guy here. maybe listen to what he says. when he tells me i’m being an idiot, i listen, because the times he has said that, he was right.

Jim get off the treadmill you’re just running in place defended a party that wants to take your Social Security away. Screw with your Medicare steal and cheat in elections cause that’s the only way they can win. Spend when they want to spend and think chaos is governing.
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wdmso

01-10-2023, 09:23 AM

Pete F.

01-10-2023, 09:46 AM

I heard from a source that claims to be reliable and has his finger on the pulse of mainstream GOP politics, that they are opening up death camps. The only question apparently, is when.
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Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 10:48 AM

House Republicans voted to gut the House Ethics Committee, and George Santos said it was 'fantastic

But I’m not fair to the GOP.

They are doing exactly what I said they would be doing with Mr. Santos nothing'

And House Passes Bill to Claw Back $80B for IRS Expansion

With their first economic legislation of the new Congress, House Republicans are making clear that their top economic priority is to allow the rich and multi-billion dollar corporations to skip out on their taxes, while making life harder for ordinary, middle-class families that pay the taxes they owe,

Yep Jim that’s how you fix Social Security ? that’s how you they cut spending ?by reducing revenues

keep thinking it’s for the future generations of Americans
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pete, pointing out that they want to cut the IRS budget, and concluding that the gop likes tax cheats, are two very different things. What if there’s that much waste at the IRS? you’re prematurely assuming that the motive behind every single act, is sinister. and maybe their motives are diabolical, but you can’t just claim that with zero evidence. You saying something, doesn’t make it true.

I heard the GOP is going to make Darth Vader the next head of the RNC, did you hear that one? and that the gop wants to confiscate all the seeing eye dogs, and butcher them to eat in the GOP cafeteria.

We’re all doomed!!!

It’s not that you’re unfair. You’re beyond bonkers. and like most liberals, you’re assuming that supporting something ( like the IRS, or public schools), ALWAYS means that you should want to throw more money at it. liberals believe that money ( and more power to them) is the solution to every single problem in the universe.

wdmso

01-10-2023, 10:53 AM

wdmso

01-10-2023, 10:59 AM

Diamond —of the right-wing, Trump- loving duo Diamond and Silk— has died. In late November, she was hospitalized due to COVID-19. The duo was fired by Fox News a couple years ago for spreading misinformation about COVID-19 and vaccines. You cannot script this stuff.
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The pair's social media post mourned Hardaway as "a True Angel and Warrior Patriot for Freedom, Love and Humanity," and linked to an online fundraising page for a memorial ceremony

Grifters even in death
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Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 11:02 AM

Once again, Jim, your false equivalences, are without peer,

but keep excusing away, republican behavior, with your outrageous hyperbole to deflect from the actual truth on the ground

I’m sure America will survive their nonsense

And just because they fail to take all the seeing eye dogs. Does it mean they didn’t try?
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when you can’t concede that 12.4 is larger than 7, when you insist that democrats have balanced the budget after Bill Clinton was president, how much credibility do you think you still have?

i’m not excusing a single thing. but their actions aren’t immoral simply because you or pete say “they are immoral.”

How do you know it’s immoral to deny the big funding increase that democrats wanted to give the IRS?

the gop did it, so it must be bad

Do you know how Bill Clinton balanced his budget despite tax cuts? he kicked millions of people off welfare. if a republican did that today, you’d call him a monster.

When faced with irrefutable evidence of your hypocrisy and zero principles, all you do is say “false equivalence”, without ever explaining why the equivalence is false and not valid. you guys act like proclaiming something, is proof that it’s true. you do it constantly.

nice to not have to support any of your idiotic conclusions.

Pete F.

01-10-2023, 11:24 AM

pete, pointing out that they want to cut the IRS budget, and concluding that the gop likes tax cheats, are two very different things. What if there’s that much waste at the IRS? you’re prematurely assuming that the motive behind every single act, is sinister. and maybe their motives are diabolical, but you can’t just claim that with zero evidence. You saying something, doesn’t make it true.

I heard the GOP is going to make Darth Vader the next head of the RNC, did you hear that one? and that the gop wants to confiscate all the seeing eye dogs, and butcher them to eat in the GOP cafeteria.

We’re all doomed!!!

It’s not that you’re unfair. You’re beyond bonkers. and like most liberals, you’re assuming that supporting something ( like the IRS, or public schools), ALWAYS means that you should want to throw more money at it. liberals believe that money ( and more power to them) is the solution to every single problem in the universe.

You should really quit with the misinformation.
Claiming all the things you do about Democrats is tiring.
Ask an enrolled agent how bad dealing with the understaffed IRS is.
Perhaps you can explain the GOP’s motives in defunding the IRS?
Maybe a little cost benefit analysis?

The failure of the government in pursuing white collar and high income crime is well documented.

The greatest trick the Right ever pulled off was convincing so many everyday Americans that the people wanting to give them affordable healthcare, education & a living wage were somehow the bad guys.
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Pete F.

01-10-2023, 11:35 AM

Pete F.

01-10-2023, 11:38 AM

Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 11:41 AM

You should really quit with the misinformation.
Claiming all the things you do about Democrats is tiring.
Ask an enrolled agent how bad dealing with the understaffed IRS is.
Perhaps you can explain the GOP’s motives in defunding the IRS?
Maybe a little cost benefit analysis?

The failure of the government in pursuing white collar and high income crime is well documented.

The greatest trick the Right ever pulled off was convincing so many everyday Americans that the people wanting to give them affordable healthcare, education & a living wage were somehow the bad guys.
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"Claiming all the things you do about Democrats is tiring."

I'm sure it is. You're not used to anyone who isn't as crazy as you are.

"Ask an enrolled agent how bad dealing with the understaffed IRS is."

Sure. I'm sure that's exactly what you did, you polled IRS agents, before you concluded the GOPs idea was wrong. You didn't just immediately leap to the politically convenient conclusion, no, you did some research, which for some reason you won't share, in order to support your position? Gee I wonder why that is?

"Perhaps you can explain the GOP’s motives in defunding the IRS?
Maybe a little cost benefit analysis?"

I have absolutely no idea. I have zero basis to say anything knowledgeable on the subject, which is precisely why I am not saying the idea is great, nor am I saying it's evil. I don't know. I cannot give an informed opinion on everything. Neither can you, but that doesn't stop you from jumping to insane conclusions.

"the people wanting to give them affordable healthcare, education & a living wage were somehow the bad guys."

Is healthcare or education cheaper now, than it was a few years ago? Not in CT it's not. Please explain...

An equally impressive trick, is the lefts ability to convince seemingly normal Americans that cops are bad (cops being the one single urban institution in the country that works), men can share locker rooms with girls with no downside, that advocating for abortion is done to enslave women rather than to protect innocent babies, that it's racist to want a secure border, that everyone who disagrees with the left on anything is loathsome, and that the solution to everything, is to throw money at it. Oh, and that government always knows better than parents, which school is best for their children.

Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 11:45 AM

Today in the U.S., corporations will steal $137 million in wages, rich people will steal $2.75 billion in taxes, and 1,300 people will die from poverty, air pollution, and medical error. Think about who benefits from ignoring this and focusing on low-level crime instead.
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Vintage Pete.

The GOP doesn't care about rape, murder, fentanyl poisoning. Nope. They want to focus all their attention on jaywalking.

There's nothing you won't say, no matter how stupid it is.

"Today in the U.S., corporations will steal $137 million in wages"

How will they do that? And which political party do the largest corporations donate to? These things are called "facts".

Business donates more to democrats than to the GOP. So who is in bed with big business?

https://www.businessinsider.com/wall-street-political-contributions-lobbying-election-trump-biden-president-2021-4

Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 11:58 AM

When you see Republicans trashing helping people with Medicare and Social Security, REMEMBER that they GAVE 2 TRILLION in Tax Forgiveness to 600 Billionaires, that WE are paying for.
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I concede SS and Medicare are helpful to those who benefit. No one disagrees.

Pete, tell us how you'd pay for current benefits to remain in place. This is another example. You are bashing Republicans who say benefits need to be reduced so that cash out more closely resembles cash in.

You and Wayne say that's evil. Fine. Tell us why the GOP is wrong when they say it's necessary. And saying "people want that money", doesn't come close to showing that changes aren't required.

this is something I know about. Those programs run massive annual deficits. They have surpluses from older years to rely on, but those reserves are running out, the actuaries know when they will be gone.

Are you saying the actuaries are wrong who say that those programs are heading towards bankruptcy unless we do something?

If they're not wrong, either we need to trim benefits, or raise the tax, or both.

Since you are opposed to making cuts, tell me how you'd pay for them. If you have no clue how to pay for them, you have no business bashing those who say we can't afford them.

I'll wait.

And I hope there's a viable plan. But we can't tax everyone 5% more and funnel that money top SS and Medicare, and that might not be enough anyway.

SS and Medicare are going broke. Here in CT, the teachers pensions and healthcare plans are similarly going broke, and for the same exact reasons. The Baby Boomers are retiring in massive numbers, they want that money, and they're going to expect it for decades. But the contributions were NOWHERE NEAR ENOUGH to fund the benefits.

Whose fault is that? It's the fault of elected officials who have known this for 40 years, but did nothing (that's both parties, but at the state level in CT, it's mostly democrats who doomed us, and we are doomed).

What do we do about it? Beats me, but what I do know, is that I put every cent of my retirement savings into a Roth IRA, not traditional, so that if huge tax hikes take place, I'll be protected.

wdmso

01-10-2023, 12:17 PM

Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 01:18 PM

when you can’t concede that 12.4 is larger than 7,

Still waiting are you self employed

If not you only pay 6.2%

And if you are the business pays 6.2 and the employees pay 6.2

And I don’t insist Dems had balanced. Budgets after Clinton

I basically said there wasn’t a balance budget since Clinton.. never used the word after Clinton now with all the complaints of my spelling and grammatical errors suddenly you take what I say to heart?

An equally impressive trick, is the lefts ability to convince seemingly normal Americans

No the average American doesn’t care what people sex is where they use the bathroom or who they love or if you’re an immigrant

But Republicans have convinced their followers drag queens are evil gays are evil transgender are evil liberals are evil immigrants are evil mail in drop boxes and early voting are evil the FBI IRS the courts and the Government itself are enemies of the American people all the from the party who

Supported Trump and his attempt to steal the election. Seat fake electors. Ask for a certain number of votes to be found. and all the republicans who voted against the certification of the election after the capital was attacked and repeated his election lies ..and now republicans are trying to re write history by investigating trumps investigators With their alternative facts

And everyone is coming to take your white Christian way of life with your jobs and only we the GOP can save you!

Only the cults ignorance allows thid logic to resonate with them and they see Republicans at least in the house as patriots
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"Still waiting are you self employed"

Yes and no. I own an LLC that does actuarial consulting. And I also have a job with a company.

"If not you only pay 6.2% "

If not, my employer and I each pay 6.2. So 12.4% goes into SS on my behalf, attached to my SS#. Teachers currently pay 7% (it was 6% when I taught), and the rest has to come from taxpayers.

I'll ask again, is 12.4 more than, or less than, 7?

If 12.4% doesn't fund my SS benefit (and it doesn't), there's no way that 7% of a teachers salary comes close to funding their pension.

"And I don’t insist Dems had balanced. Budgets after Clinton "

You did insist it recently.

"I basically said there wasn’t a balance budget since Clinton"

Go read what you wrote. You said only democrats had balanced the budget after Clinton.

"No the average American doesn’t care what people sex is where they use the bathroom"

I don't think the average american wants their girls to be forced to undress in front of boys at school.

"Republicans have convinced their followers drag queens are evil "

We feel draq queens who enjoy doing their thing in front of children, are weird. As are parents who see nothing wrong with it.

"Supported Trump and his attempt to steal the election"

Democrats supported the house democrats who tried to steal the 2016 election. You won't condemn that. You can't. Because they are democrats, and democrats can never be wrong.

"And everyone is coming to take your white Christian way of life with your jobs and only we the GOP can save you!"

Your side tells Christians they must participate in gay marriage, under penalty of law. Your side said that churches had to close during covid, but liquor stores could stay open, and that mass protests against police could continue. So you could gather with a huge crowd and chant for dead cops, but your side wouldn't let people gather in small crowds to pray.

That's what happened. Whether you like it or not, that's what happened. People who believe in a big god, don't have any need for a big government.

wdmso

01-10-2023, 02:16 PM

"Still waiting are you self employed"

Yes and no. I own an LLC that does actuarial consulting. And I also have a job with a company.

"If not you only pay 6.2% "

If not, my employer and I each pay 6.2. So 12.4% goes into SS on my behalf, attached to my SS#. Teachers currently pay 7% (it was 6% when I taught), and the rest has to come from taxpayers.

I'll ask again, is 12.4 more than, or less than, 7?

Keep moving the goal post you personally pay 6.2 so that’s less than 7 . where the rest comes from is irrelevant and they aka teachers in no way impact your benefits

If 12.4% doesn't fund my SS benefit (and it doesn't), there's no way that 7% of a teachers salary comes close to funding their pension.

Neither plan is designed to Fund your retirement your contributions fund those who retire ahead of you

"And I don’t insist Dems had balanced. Budgets after Clinton "

You did insist it recently.

"I basically said there wasn’t a balance budget since Clinton"

Go read what you wrote. You said only democrats had balanced the budget after Clinton.

I know what I wrote and I’ve told you that’s not what I meant it was worded incorrectly . I fully aware there hasn’t been a balanced budget since Clinton
.

"No the average American doesn’t care what people sex is where they use the bathroom"

I don't think the average american wants their girls to be forced to undress in front of boys at school.

"Republicans have convinced their followers drag queens are evil "

We feel draq queens who enjoy doing their thing in front of children, are weird. As are parents who see nothing wrong with it.

But only Republicans are passing laws to prevent drag show?

"Supported Trump and his attempt to steal the election"

Democrats supported the house democrats who tried to steal the 2016 election. You won't condemn that. You can't. Because they are democrats, and democrats can never be wrong.

Keep twisting that same factually dishonesty knot

"And everyone is coming to take your white Christian way of life with your jobs and only we the GOP can save you!"

Your side tells Christians they must participate in gay marriage, under penalty of law.

Yes Jim discrimination is against the law . Offering services to the public including all citizens if I buy invitation from you you’re not participating in my wedding. You sold a product
Just more twisted logic

Your side said that churches had to close during covid, but liquor stores could stay open, and that mass protests against police could continue. So you could gather with a huge crowd and chant for dead cops, but your side wouldn't let people gather in small crowds to pray.

Clearly you don’t understand why liquor stores remained open shocking it’s called alcoholism and good forbid they didn’t want half the country going into withdrawal

Why they stopped people from gathering in mass inside and why outdoor was different had nothing with attacking religion

You’re side that’s funny Trump was potus Most states have religious exemptions to COVID-19 social distancing rules States that had bans. Alaska California WA state Idaho Montana Minnesota Ny New Jersey and Vt again facts aren’t on your side
Not shocked. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/27/most-states-have-religious-exemptions-to-covid-19-social-distancing-rules/ft_20-04-27-covidexemptions_01/

That's what happened. Whether you like it or not, that's what happened. People who believe in a big god, don't have any need for a big government.

No Jim everything happened for a reason and are easily explained and justified and temporary

Conspiracy Theories don’t help

Texas legislature, which saw the introduction of 10 separate bills designed to criminalize gender-affirming care for trans youth, criminalize drag shows, ban trans kids in sports (again), limit changes to gender markers on the birth certificates of minors, and limit discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in schools.

Louisiana lawmaker wants to deny minors access to gender-affirming health care, even if parents approve of the procedures. The sweeping proposal would also override medical advice and stop insurers from covering transgender treatments.

A top Republican in the Oklahoma Senate wants to ban all gender reassignment surgeries for people under 26 years old. But you can buy an AR at 18 or shoot a teacher at 6. Don’t blame the gun

Keep thinking Jim the GOPs about freedom. We’ll they are just the freedoms they agree with
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Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 02:26 PM

No Jim everything happened for a reason and are easily explained and justified and temporary

Conspiracy Theories don’t help

Texas legislature, which saw the introduction of 10 separate bills designed to criminalize gender-affirming care for trans youth, criminalize drag shows, ban trans kids in sports (again), limit changes to gender markers on the birth certificates of minors, and limit discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in schools.

Louisiana lawmaker wants to deny minors access to gender-affirming health care, even if parents approve of the procedures. The sweeping proposal would also override medical advice and stop insurers from covering transgender treatments.

A top Republican in the Oklahoma Senate wants to ban all gender reassignment surgeries for people under 26 years old. But you can buy an AR at 18 or shoot a teacher at 6. Don’t blame the gun

Keep thinking Jim the GOPs about freedom. We’ll they are just the freedoms they agree with
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i love it. “everything happened for a reason.”

but you don’t tell us the reason. because you don’t know what it is and the courts threw it out.

but nothing to see, because nothing can be wrong of democrats do it. everything the left does has a good reason. everything the right does has an evil reason. right?

Florida is now synonymous with “freedom.”

Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 02:28 PM

No Jim everything happened for a reason and are easily explained and justified and temporary

Conspiracy Theories don’t help

Texas legislature, which saw the introduction of 10 separate bills designed to criminalize gender-affirming care for trans youth, criminalize drag shows, ban trans kids in sports (again), limit changes to gender markers on the birth certificates of minors, and limit discussion of sexual orientation and gender identity in schools.

Louisiana lawmaker wants to deny minors access to gender-affirming health care, even if parents approve of the procedures. The sweeping proposal would also override medical advice and stop insurers from covering transgender treatments.

A top Republican in the Oklahoma Senate wants to ban all gender reassignment surgeries for people under 26 years old. But you can buy an AR at 18 or shoot a teacher at 6. Don’t blame the gun

Keep thinking Jim the GOPs about freedom. We’ll they are just the freedoms they agree with
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you can shoot a teacher at 6? that was legal? funny the kid was taken into custody.

wdmso

01-10-2023, 03:30 PM

you can shoot a teacher at 6? that was legal? funny the kid was taken into custody.

Don’t read much into taken into custody sounds worse than it is

Should read mother taken into custody honestly
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wdmso

01-10-2023, 03:40 PM

Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 04:30 PM

Don’t read much into taken into custody sounds worse than it is

Should read mother taken into custody honestly
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Agreed 1,000%!! i think it's long past time we hold these idiot parents accountable for the inevitable results of lousy parenting.

I also read that even after the teacher was shot in the chest, she made sure all her little kids were out of the classroom before she left.

THAT is a hero, a rare thing I bet we can agree on.

As to that poor kid, my God, what do you do with a kid like that?

Jim in CT

01-10-2023, 04:33 PM

Meanwhile republicans vote back in the Holman Rule, from 1875

allowing lawmakers to reduce or eliminate federal agency programs and to slash the salaries of individual federal employees.

During the House floor debate, Rep. Kat Cammack (R-Fla.), an ally of House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), blasted federal officials as “unelected bureaucrats, the true, real swamp creatures here in D.C.,” saying they had “run roughshod over the American people without consequence.”

I guess there are no Republicans working in government or will they use past voting records to determine who stays and who goes.

Installing loyalists and calling it draining the swamp wow republicans are twisted

If you’re a federal employee, this now becomes a risk that you have to think ‘I may get myself get in hot water or have my salary dropped to zero or my job could get axed’”

But none of it will get pass the senate
But they’ll waste the time grandstanding
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Wayne, using your exact words, can I simply say "there was a reason" and that's good enough? Or is that only good enough for you to use?

I'm not an extremist. But there are unelected people in DC who are very powerful and have been there way too long. Obviously not every federal employee fits into that category. But there are some.

In a democracy, only those we elect should be able to make policy. That way we can vote them out if we don't like what they're doing.
Not judges, not bureaucrats. Do you disagree? That's a sincere question, not a gotcha question.

Pete F.

01-10-2023, 05:57 PM

"Claiming all the things you do about Democrats is tiring."

I'm sure it is. You're not used to anyone who isn't as crazy as you are.

"Ask an enrolled agent how bad dealing with the understaffed IRS is."

Sure. I'm sure that's exactly what you did, you polled IRS agents, before you concluded the GOPs idea was wrong. You didn't just immediately leap to the politically convenient conclusion, no, you did some research, which for some reason you won't share, in order to support your position? Gee I wonder why that is?

"Perhaps you can explain the GOP’s motives in defunding the IRS?
Maybe a little cost benefit analysis?"

I have absolutely no idea. I have zero basis to say anything knowledgeable on the subject, which is precisely why I am not saying the idea is great, nor am I saying it's evil. I don't know. I cannot give an informed opinion on everything. Neither can you, but that doesn't stop you from jumping to insane conclusions.

"the people wanting to give them affordable healthcare, education & a living wage were somehow the bad guys."

Is healthcare or education cheaper now, than it was a few years ago? Not in CT it's not. Please explain...

An equally impressive trick, is the lefts ability to convince seemingly normal Americans that cops are bad (cops being the one single urban institution in the country that works), men can share locker rooms with girls with no downside, that advocating for abortion is done to enslave women rather than to protect innocent babies, that it's racist to want a secure border, that everyone who disagrees with the left on anything is loathsome, and that the solution to everything, is to throw money at it. Oh, and that government always knows better than parents, which school is best for their children.

Your rationale for your choice is to own the libs, and you think I’m crazy.
Good luck
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wdmso

01-10-2023, 06:21 PM

Wayne, using your exact words, can I simply say "there was a reason" and that's good enough? Or is that only good enough for you to use?

I'm not an extremist. But there are unelected people in DC who are very powerful and have been there way too long. Obviously not every federal employee fits into that category. But there are some.

In a democracy, only those we elect should be able to make policy. That way we can vote them out if we don't like what they're doing.
Not judges, not bureaucrats. Do you disagree? That's a sincere question, not a gotcha question.

1st I said everything happened for a reason and are easily explained and justified

The gop has not shown explanation or a justification for needing an 1875 rule. Or investigating the investigators

Of course their are unelected bureaucrats in DC we have a supreme court full of them

Not sure why unelected maters when the position . Doesn’t require it

Of course the GOP won’t name these unelected positions and would they just replace them with other unelected people?who have pledged allegiance to them not the nation?

To answer you question as I understand it.

Federal bureaucrats don’t make policy they interpret laws and apply the rules and make decisions because congress has empowered them to do.

The reason judges seem to be making policies is the congress won’t fix what’s broken and some courts like the SJC. Are accepting cases they should be refusing. So state’s attorney keep going back because their nonsensical arguments keep being entertained

We have a court taking a case based on a woman’s business

That only exists on paper?

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Pete F.

01-10-2023, 09:39 PM

It’ll be interesting to see what Schumer does with the stupid MAGA stuff, does he just let it die or does he force GOP senators to take a vote on the actual House bills.
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Pete F.

01-10-2023, 11:39 PM

Jim Jordan is now officially the Chair of a subcommittee that will investigate why the Biden Administration imprisoned untold numbers of parents all across America just for speaking at School Board meetings, also known as Biden’s Concerned-Parent Pogrom.
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Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 08:45 AM

Of course their are unelected bureaucrats in DC we have a supreme court full of them

Not sure why unelected maters when the position . Doesn’t require it

Of course the GOP won’t name these unelected positions and would they just replace them with other unelected people?who have pledged allegiance to them not the nation?

To answer you question as I understand it.

Federal bureaucrats don’t make policy they interpret laws and apply the rules and make decisions because congress has empowered them to do.

The reason judges seem to be making policies is the congress won’t fix what’s broken and some courts like the SJC. Are accepting cases they should be refusing. So state’s attorney keep going back because their nonsensical arguments keep being entertained

We have a court taking a case based on a woman’s business

That only exists on paper?

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"Of course their are unelected bureaucrats in DC we have a supreme court full of them

Not sure why unelected maters when the position . Doesn’t require it"

I guess I didn't say it well. If someone isn't elected, that means "we the people" can't vote them out, which means they are not answerable to us. That's why they should not be setting policy. Especially supreme court judges who are there for life, that's exactly why my side likes to say "they shouldn't legislate from the bench", because we have no mechanism to keep them in check. That would be totalitarian. Setting laws and policies were meant to only be the purview of people who are elected by us. The job of unelected bureaucrats is to implement policy, not to create it. If you think about it, it's very logical and democratic. In a democracy, policies and laws should only be created by those who are directly answerable to us.

Obviously in the real world there are grey areas. But we should strive for that ideal, not venture too far away from it.

I'm not a thoughtless conspiracy nut. You know that I believe Biden won fair and square. But I do believe there are unelected people out there, who have bene there way too long, who have way too much power. That's what MAGA folk refer to as "the swamp". It's healthy to keep that to a minimum.

"Federal bureaucrats don’t make policy"

They aren't supposed to. Sometimes it ends up happening though. That's what happened when SCOTUS legalized abortion, that was obviously legislating from the bench. When the attorney general decides that parents protesting school board meetings are committing a federal crime. Anthony Faucci had too much power. Lobbyists have too much power (like the NRA, for example). Defense contractors have too much power.

I'm not saying everything is completely broken. I think it can be improved.

But it won't be improved. The GOP likes to talk, they don't always like delivering.

Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 08:49 AM

The reason judges seem to be making policies is the congress won’t fix what’s broken

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But the constitution doesn't say judges can change their role if congress isn't doing a good job. It's up to the voters, not the courts, to fix a broken legislature. What you just said, seems to imply that you agree with me.

Judges aren't supposed to make decisions, based on whether or not they personally like what congress is doing. That's the definition of totalitarianism.

wdmso

01-11-2023, 11:31 AM

But the constitution doesn't say judges can change their role if congress isn't doing a good job. It's up to the voters, not the courts, to fix a broken legislature. What you just said, seems to imply that you agree with me.

Judges aren't supposed to make decisions, based on whether or not they personally like what congress is doing. That's the definition of totalitarianism.

Tell that to the conservatives majority in the us supreme court

And Republicans who want them to legislate from the bench

IT’s Republicans who are pushing
The The independent state legislature theory posits that the Constitution of the United States delegates authority to regulate federal elections within a state to that state's elected lawmakers without any checks and balances from state courts, governors, or other bodies

There’s a thread that links the partisan gerrymandering of congressional maps in North Carolina, attempts to dissolve the Wisconsin Election Commission, and efforts to overthrow the 2020 presidential election in Pennsylvania and elsewhere. In each case, the participants have invoked a dubious interpretation of the Constitution called the “independent state legislature theory.”

Long relegated to the fringe of election law, the theory will soon be front and center before the Supreme Court, which has agreed to hear a case concerning the North Carolina congressional maps in the fall. If the Supreme Court were to adopt the theory, it would radically change our elections.

Then, after the 2020 election, President Trump and his allies used the independent state legislature theory as part of their effort to overturn the results. For a third time, the Supreme Court declined to adopt the theory. But three sitting justices — Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch —endorsed it.

But this court took up the case with the 3 above acceptance of the case

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Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 12:11 PM

Tell that to the conservatives majority in the us supreme court

And Republicans who want them to legislate from the bench

IT’s Republicans who are pushing
The The independent state legislature theory posits that the Constitution of the United States delegates authority to regulate federal elections within a state to that state's elected lawmakers without any checks and balances from state courts, governors, or other bodies

There’s a thread that links the partisan gerrymandering of congressional maps in North Carolina, attempts to dissolve the Wisconsin Election Commission, and efforts to overthrow the 2020 presidential election in Pennsylvania and elsewhere. In each case, the participants have invoked a dubious interpretation of the Constitution called the “independent state legislature theory.”

Long relegated to the fringe of election law, the theory will soon be front and center before the Supreme Court, which has agreed to hear a case concerning the North Carolina congressional maps in the fall. If the Supreme Court were to adopt the theory, it would radically change our elections.

Then, after the 2020 election, President Trump and his allies used the independent state legislature theory as part of their effort to overturn the results. For a third time, the Supreme Court declined to adopt the theory. But three sitting justices — Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, and Neil Gorsuch —endorsed it.

But this court took up the case with the 3 above acceptance of the case

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I never said the GOP is free of hypocrites. But our democracy is healthier if elected officials, and only elected officials, legislate and make policy. Roe V Wade was a massive violation of that ideal.

"Tell that to the conservatives majority in the us supreme court"

You are basing your attack, on how you are assuming a future case will go.

But as I said, the GOP has plenty of hypocrites.

wdmso

01-11-2023, 12:55 PM

I never said the GOP is free of hypocrites. But our democracy is healthier if elected officials, and only elected officials, legislate and make policy. Roe V Wade was a massive violation of that ideal.

"Tell that to the conservatives majority in the us supreme court"

You are basing your attack, on how you are assuming a future case will go.

But as I said, the GOP has plenty of hypocrites.

But our democracy is healthier if elected officials, and only elected officials, legislate and make policy

I’d say Having a potus and his party willingly trying to overturn an election is far more of a concern then republicans claiming unelected bureaucrats are a danger

But the GOP are doing exactly what I said they would do.

the Republican-led House is poised to vote on two abortion-related measures. One would condemn attacks “on pro-life facilities, groups, and churches,” while the other would force medical practitioners to provide care to infants who survive an abortion — a very rare occurrence

Funny their bills seem to be once again influenced by Fox News headlines

'Slow-walked justice': FBI insists it is prosecuting attacks on pro-life centers amid claims of politicization
A pro-life activist says the FBI has 'slow-walked justice' for pregnancy center attacks because of politics

More than 100 pro-life orgs, churches attacked since Dobbs leak
DOJ has yet to announce any arrests in attacks on pro-life centers

Republicans doing what they do best playing the victim and suggesting conspiracies are at play

I Just need gun bill . And they checked all my boxes
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Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 01:44 PM

I’d say Having a potus and his party willingly trying to overturn an election is far more of a concern then republicans claiming unelected bureaucrats are a danger

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So we can't discuss anything other than January 6...forever?

Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 01:50 PM

But our democracy is healthier if elected officials, and only elected officials, legislate and make policy

I’d say Having a potus and his party willingly trying to overturn an election is far more of a concern then republicans claiming unelected bureaucrats are a danger

But the GOP are doing exactly what I said they would do.

the Republican-led House is poised to vote on two abortion-related measures. One would condemn attacks “on pro-life facilities, groups, and churches,” while the other would force medical practitioners to provide care to infants who survive an abortion — a very rare occurrence

Funny their bills seem to be once again influenced by Fox News headlines

'Slow-walked justice': FBI insists it is prosecuting attacks on pro-life centers amid claims of politicization
A pro-life activist says the FBI has 'slow-walked justice' for pregnancy center attacks because of politics

More than 100 pro-life orgs, churches attacked since Dobbs leak
DOJ has yet to announce any arrests in attacks on pro-life centers

Republicans doing what they do best playing the victim and suggesting conspiracies are at play

I Just need gun bill . And they checked all my boxes
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"One would condemn attacks “on pro-life facilities, groups, and churches,”"

Are you opposed to condemning such attacks?

"the other would force medical practitioners to provide care to infants who survive an abortion — a very rare occurrence"

Yes, it's rare. But are you opposed to the bill?

I don't think independents are adamantly opposed to requiring that care Wayne. Only a very callous person would oppose that.

"Republicans doing what they do best playing the victim"

They're not playing victim. They're trying to help actual victims.

If America wanted babies to be ;left to whiter and die, and if America wanted pro life buildings to be attacked, I don't think America would have given house control to the GOP.

Wayne, elections do in fact have consequences. If you thought the GOP was going to legalize late term abortions on their first day, that's on you.

You posted quotes from folks saying the FBI isn't taking those attacks seriously. You posted nothing to suggest those people are wrong. Are we supposed to take your word for it?

Pete F.

01-11-2023, 02:41 PM

Don’t we have existing laws that this falls under?
Do we need a new law for every special interest group?
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Pete F.

01-11-2023, 02:49 PM

wdmso

01-11-2023, 02:59 PM

Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders signs executive orders on first day of term ( Should say she Blew a dog whistle)

The first one she signed institutes a promotion and hiring freeze for all state government workers.

Another executive order will prevent government agencies from implementing new regulations without her approval.

“We are going to continue to limit the scope of government and empower Arkansans,” Sanders said.

Sanders also signed an executive order aimed at prohibiting “indoctrination and Critical Race Theory in schools.”

Maybe she should take care of bigger issues in her State .

Here entire work history is working for daddy minus orange daddy good luck Arkansans day 1 governing by decree Gotta Love Republicans

Health Care 48th Education 41st economy 41st Infrastructure 43rd
Crime & Corrections 48th

wdmso

01-11-2023, 03:08 PM

"One would condemn attacks “on pro-life facilities, groups, and churches,”"

Are you opposed to condemning such attacks?

"the other would force medical practitioners to provide care to infants who survive an abortion — a very rare occurrence"

Yes, it's rare. But are you opposed to the bill?

Do you really need a bill condemning these attacks? Do we have a bill condemning Jan 6th attacks .. nope just more feeding the Maga horde total political posturing

I don't think independents are adamantly opposed to requiring that care Wayne. Only a very callous person would oppose that.

"Republicans doing what they do best playing the victim"

They're not playing victim. They're trying to help actual victims.

No their not Jim The unborn are not the victims their unborn

If America wanted babies to be ;left to whiter and die, and if America wanted pro life buildings to be attacked, I don't think America would have given house control to the GOP.

Wayne, elections do in fact have consequences. If you thought the GOP was going to legalize late term abortions on their first day, that's on you.

So much for inflation gas prices and the border

More red meat for the minority of people. Just say Abortion

You posted quotes from folks saying the FBI isn't taking those attacks seriously. You posted nothing to suggest those people are wrong. Are we supposed to take your word for it?

More of the gop and the rights victimization brought to you by Fox News

The FBI is against solving these crimes…. Really. Actually Jim it’s a local police issue not the FBIs. But don’t expect the Truth from Fox or Republicans

You may not know this if you’re not tuned in to conservative media, but the FBI has an agenda to protect abortion clinics and punish conservatives generally and anti-abortion conservatives specifically.

So goes the narrative believed by many anti-abortion advocates, including elected officials like Sen. Ted Cruz, R.-Texas.

Crisis pregnancy centers often are touted as “clinics,” even though they offer no licensed medical services and are designed to talk women out of having abortions.

Pro-abortion political elites are attacking pro-life people not because they are dangerous criminals but because the core pro-life belief undermines their power over the masses,

the pro-abortion Hydra is pulling out all the stops, failing to investigate violence against pro-lifers, weaponizing the FBI and legislature against them, and censoring them. Why? Because if the Republicans win the midterms and gain control of the House and Senate, they will have the ability to engage real investigations into conspiratorial crimes committed by law enforcement, government, big tech and pro-abortion extremists against pro-life people.”

But of course the GOP is doing just that passing a bill based on conspiratorial crimes committed by law enforcement and government against pro life people

It never stops with this party and it’s supporters
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wdmso

01-11-2023, 03:49 PM

Alito and Thomas encourage opponents of gun control laws to keep pressure on the courts

So now it’s open activism
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Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 04:35 PM

The FBI is against solving these crimes…. Really. Actually Jim it’s a local police issue not the FBIs. But don’t expect the Truth from Fox or Republicans

Y
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Yet you didn't take that position when the feds got involved with parents having the nerve to speak up at local school board meetings. Not a peep from you about why that's not a local issue.

Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 04:39 PM

It never stops with this party and it’s supporters
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I know, right! Imagine getting worked up over a silly, trivial thing like tens of millions of babies slaughtered in the womb. Cant they just chill?

We need SENSIBLE policies. We don't need to worry about babies being mutilated. What the country needs, is fewer cops, and for men to have more access to girls locker rooms. That's what people want! That, and for eggs to cost a buck a piece.

You really have your finger on the pulse of America. That's why, when Gallup asked Americans if they were better off after 4 years of Trump, 100% of Americans said no.

PaulS

01-11-2023, 04:45 PM

You really have your finger on the pulse of America. That's why, when Gallup asked Americans if they were better off after 4 years of Trump, 100% of Americans said no.

Can you pls. post up that poll as I couldn't find it.

Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 04:49 PM

Can you pls. post up that poll as I couldn't find it.

you didnt get that was a joke?

in the poll i like to cute, a record number of americans identified as being better off after 4 years of trump. so when wayne claims that america wants to turn into san francisco, gallup’s polling would seem
to contradict that.

Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 04:50 PM

Alito and Thomas encourage opponents of gun control laws to keep pressure on the courts

So now it’s open activism
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what did they say/do, exactly?

wdmso

01-11-2023, 04:58 PM

From Sara

We will show the world that there is still a place in America where freedom reigns and liberty will never die, and that place is Arkansas.

What a loser
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PaulS

01-11-2023, 05:13 PM

you didnt get that was a joke?

in the poll i like to cute, a record number of americans identified as being better off after 4 years of trump. so when wayne claims that america wants to turn into san francisco, gallup’s polling would seem
to contradict that.

I'd like to see the pole where they specifically said they were better off after 4 years of trump. Usually those polls ask are you better now then you were 4 years ago which is quite different.
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Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 05:30 PM

I'd like to see the pole where they specifically said they were better off after 4 years of trump. Usually those polls ask are you better now then you were 4 years ago which is quite different.
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sorry, i thought you were asking me for the poll, where i said 100% said they were t better off.

here it is. obviously this isn’t saying that 60% of americans like trump. but to some degree, this poll is a referendum on the 4 years of a presidents term.

in think americans liked his policies, many of which were popular and centrist. They just couldn’t stand him, and for good reason.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285593/say-better-off-past-elections.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285593/say-better-off-past-elections.aspx

Got Stripers

01-11-2023, 05:45 PM

Ah but to some degree, sounds like a change of tune, damn and it was one of your greatest hits.

PaulS

01-11-2023, 05:50 PM

sorry, i thought you were asking me for the poll, where i said 100% said they were t better off.

here it is. obviously this isn’t saying that 60% of americans like trump. but to some degree, this poll is a referendum on the 4 years of a presidents term.

in think americans liked his policies, many of which were popular and centrist. They just couldn’t stand him, and for good reason.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285593/say-better-off-past-elections.aspx

https://news.gallup.com/poll/285593/say-better-off-past-elections.aspx

Probably difficult to totally understand the results without the actual question but agree in some ways it's a referendum on the president. For me personally I would answer it based on my health or finances.
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Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 05:52 PM

Ah but to some degree, sounds like a change of tune, damn and it was one of your greatest hits.

no change of tune. saying what i always say. i guess it was just to fast for you.

i’ll stop bringing it up, when you guys stop
claiming that trump didn’t do anything good, and that the gop is a lunatic fringe party.

this is why you’re all scared of Desantis. He’ll advocate for popular and effective policies, and while he’s far from perfect ( i didn’t like him going after disney) he’s not nearly as repulsive as Trump. He appears to be a very formidable candidate. which is why the left never stops
lying about him.

wdmso

01-11-2023, 05:59 PM

Now in the fantasy world of the Maga GOPQ. The Secretary of Transportation

Was responsible for the south west air line meltdowns

And now he’s responsible for the flight system crashing

Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark., who tweeted: "Pete Buttigieg couldn't organize a one-car funeral.

The Republicans intellectual dishonesty is amazing
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Pete F.

01-11-2023, 08:57 PM

Debating the house rules on the floor today, and the first amendment offered by a Republican is about making stricter the rules of what women have to wear in the house.
After they get done with that, do you think they’ll make the runt wear a jacket?
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Pete F.

01-11-2023, 09:08 PM

You talking about this DeSantis?

Florida’s education system is vastly underperforming.
A close look at ‘the Nation’s Report Card’ shows how Florida fails its students as they move up through the grades.
A few years ago, just before COVID hit, a Stanford University study of state-level standardized tests showed that Florida’s “learning rate” was the worst in the country — by a wide margin.
Florida students learned 12 percent less each year from third to eighth grade than the national average from 2009 to 2018. The next worst state was Alabama, according to The Educational Opportunity Project at Stanford University. Florida’s political and education leaders completely ignored that finding.

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Contrast that deafening silence with the hype and misinterpretation that comes with the release of the National Assessment of Educational Progress (NAEP), “the Nation’s Report Card.” When those results came out last fall, Gov. Ron DeSantis crowed on Twitter that, “We kept schools open in 2020, and today’s NAEP results once again prove that we made the right decision. In Florida, adjusted for demographics, fourth grade students are #1 in both reading and math.”

Tellingly, DeSantis ignored the eighth grade results, which came out far worse than fourth grade — just as they have in every NAEP cycle since 2003.

The “Nation’s Report Card” is a snapshot of group proficiency taken by different cohorts of kids every two years in reading and math in fourth grade and eighth grade. It produces state-by-state results and proficiency rankings. It does not track individual kids year over year. But it does tell you how Florida’s fourth and eighth graders compare with students in other states. I crunched the data, and here’s the bottom line: Florida’s students perform worse as they move up through the grades. There is consistent, massive systemic regression with age. And the gap is widening.

This is a state failure, not a local one attributable to individual districts. Yet, in every NAEP cycle, Florida politicians and education leaders brag about fourth-grade NAEP results in press releases.
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Pete F.

01-11-2023, 09:10 PM

Or this DeSantis

Ron DeSantis just summarily declared an election null and void and vacated the seat of an elected official. He announced he would select the replacement.

And you think someone who does this has conducted fair and honest state elections? He stopped federal election monitors from being allowed inside polling places across the state in 2022. So you tell me. 🤔

DeSantis is erasing democracy in Florida.
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Pete F.

01-11-2023, 09:14 PM

Or this DeSantis?

Gov. Ron DeSantis’ second inaugural address Tuesday sounded word-for-word like a re-election campaign rally — only shorter. It was delivered from a familiar place, the steps of the historic Capitol in Tallahassee, but was aimed at a faraway national audience of Republican presidential primary voters.

[ RELATED: DeSantis declares 'freedom lives here' as he begins 2nd term ]

The governor’s talk carried a lot of the usual DeSantis rhetorical flourishes, and very little in the way of specifics.

If you didn’t catch it, here’s some of what you missed:

“When the world lost its mind — when common sense suddenly became an uncommon virtue — Florida was a refuge of sanity.”

Here in Florida, the state’s chief public health officer doubted the efficacy of vaccines or masks at the height of the pandemic. Some 84,000 people have lost their lives due to COVID-19 in this “refuge of sanity.” Unlike in California and New York, a huge portion of those deaths came after the development of vaccines, and, according to a Yale study, largely among the very Republican voters who were most likely to believe the anti-vaccine lies offered by Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo.

Is that enough sanity for you?

The myth of ‘the freest state’

“We choose to navigate the boisterous sea of liberty rather than cower in the calm docks of despotism,” DeSantis said.

Freedom and authoritarianism don’t mix. The notion of Florida as “the freest state” is a myth, manufactured by DeSantis and his image-makers to sharpen the narrative of his expected presidential candidacy.

His is a curious definition of freedom.

Florida has become a place where it’s easier than ever to remove books from school libraries, but harder than it should be for people to request vote-by-mail ballots.

In the “freest state,” Florida teachers fear talking about the country’s racist history. A vote of the people to ban large cruise ships in Key West was wiped away by DeSantis and Tallahassee politicians. How free is that?

In this supposedly “free” state, academic freedom faces the most dangerous sustained assault in Florida’s recent history.

In “the freest state,” higher education is perpetually under the thumb of the governor’s office. On Wednesday, DeSantis demanded that all colleges and universities report every dime spent on “diversity, equity, inclusion and critical race theory.”
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Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 10:11 PM

Pete F.

01-11-2023, 10:14 PM

pete, florida didnt keep people from earning a living, or
keep kids out of school, after data showed there was no upside. His states unemployment didn’t increase nearly as much as the national average as a result.

He’s right. other states kept lockdowns in place long after the data was clear there was no upside. that’s crazy.

That’s why the state of florida has become synonymous with affordable freedom, and 850 people a day are moving there. 850 a day.

it’s also why the deranged, terrified, hating liars, like you, are left sh*tting themselves at the thought of him, and all you can do is ignore his accomplishments and desperately hope everyone else does too.

i’d pay anything to see him debate the alzheimer’s patient we have now. anything.

Unlike in California and New York, a huge portion of those deaths came after the development of vaccines, and, according to a Yale study, largely among the very Republican voters who were most likely to believe the anti-vaccine lies offered by Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo.

Is that enough sanity for you?
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Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 10:15 PM

Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 10:18 PM

Unlike in California and New York, a huge portion of those deaths came after the development of vaccines, and, according to a Yale study, largely among the very Republican voters who were most likely to believe the anti-vaccine lies offered by Florida Surgeon General Joseph Ladapo.

Is that enough sanity for you?
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what was the death rate in FL compared to NY? Which state has more seniors? Which state opened up first? Which governor was cooking the books? hat was your side saying about Cuomo? he was the good standard, Hollywood invented awards to give him. And he was a big fat lying incompetent loser, and a pervert to boot. But you’re in a position to bash desantis when you had orgasms
when Cuomo was on TV?

Stick that up your kooky azz.

wdmso

01-11-2023, 10:24 PM

So we can't discuss anything other than January 6...forever?

Not when to GOP did nothing afterwards. And still deny it even happened

And currently WASHINGTON — Republicans are attempting to pass a new House rule to block materials compiled by the panel that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection from immediately going to the National Archives.

The move could signal that House Republicans intend to attempt to rebut the panel’s investigation,

Shocking republicans trying to write history with their alternative facts

But they have the nerve to insist unelected bureaucrats , the FBI the IRS and government it’s self . Ate a threat to American democracy

This is why they and honestly you sometimes can’t be taken seriously on this topic
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wdmso

01-11-2023, 10:27 PM

Yet you didn't take that position when the feds got involved with parents having the nerve to speak up at local school board meetings. Not a peep from you about why that's not a local issue.

Jim news flash that never happened you keep repeating that lie . There is no DOJ memo targeting parents
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Jim in CT

01-11-2023, 10:28 PM

Not when to GOP did nothing afterwards. And still deny it even happened

And currently WASHINGTON — Republicans are attempting to pass a new House rule to block materials compiled by the panel that investigated the Jan. 6, 2021, insurrection from immediately going to the National Archives.

The move could signal that House Republicans intend to attempt to rebut the panel’s investigation,

Shocking republicans trying to write history with their alternative facts

But they have the nerve to insist unelected bureaucrats , the FBI the IRS and government it’s self . Ate a threat to American democracy

This is why they and honestly you sometimes can’t be taken seriously on this topic
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america doesn’t care wayne, the polling is crystal
clear. our system, as it is, stopped january 6 from going anywhere, thank god, and trump is toxic and unelectable. our system
doesn’t stop unelected bureaucrats from setting national policy.

Pete F.

01-11-2023, 11:02 PM

desantis said of critical
race theory, that it does no good to teach children to hate their country and hate each other, and the state of FL isn’t going to spend one red cent in it.

When your side was saying defund the police, he was offering signing bonuses to out of state cops who moved there. And gee whiz, guess how many FL cities were burned down by your ilk in the summer of 2020? Zero.

He single handedly took a large, diverse purple
state, and turned it red

Ivy league, ivy league law then the military. yeah what a loser!!

Your best response is “Flori-duh.”. good one pete!!

Actually he offered signing bonuses to cops from other states that refused to get vaccinated, because cops shouldn’t have to obey rules…
Never mind that the most prolific killer of cops by far was Covid.

Your ilk tried to overthrow the government, spread literal feces on the walls of the capital.
But they were tourists.

Nothing excites you more than a budding fascist, well maybe with the exception of a goat.
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wdmso

01-12-2023, 10:04 AM

PaulS

01-12-2023, 10:23 AM

The first bill Republicans are bringing to the floor once the rules package is adopted would increase the deficit by more than $114 billion over a decade, according to a nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office analysis released Monday. The measure from Adrian Smith (R-Neb.) would roll back about $80 billion in IRS funding and decrease revenues by nearly $186 billion.

In the stroke of a pen cutting 80 billion to lose a net 114. billion that makes no sense

More grandstanding

You're missing the point. The deficit only matters when Ds are in office.

They want to do away with the ethics committee bccccc I guess ethics don't matter to them.

Lower funding for the IRS bc they don't care if people cheat on their taxes - which goes w/trying to get rid of the committee that looks at member ethics. Seems to be a pattern.

Pete F.

01-13-2023, 07:51 AM

It’s rumored that Ron DeSantis plans to fly 300 gas stoves to Martha's Vineyard.
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Pete F.

01-13-2023, 07:55 AM

Kevin McCarthy claims House Republicans are transitioning.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that
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PaulS

01-13-2023, 08:18 AM

Rs plan to make everyone sacrifice. Poor people will have to have lower benefits and rich people will have to have lower tax rates.

wdmso

01-13-2023, 08:22 AM

It’s rumored that Ron DeSantis plans to fly 300 gas stoves to Martha's Vineyard.
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I saw this latest outrage from Republicans framed as an attack your way of life not surprising more lying

Republican lawmakers are claiming that the Consumer Product Safety Commission wants to take away people’s gas stoves, in what they say is the latest example of the Biden administration’s regulatory overreach,

In reality, the commission is not going to snatch anyone’s stove. It is merely considering regulations that would seek to curb pollution from new gas stoves on the market, rather than existing appliances inside people’s homes.

There is about 50 years of health studies showing that gas stoves are bad for our health, and the strongest evidence is on children and children’s asthma,”

Cities tried to cut natural gas from new homes. The GOP and gas lobby preemptively quashed their effort

Again in bed with the energy lobby

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I’ll NEVER give up my gas stove. If the maniacs in the White House come for my stove, they can pry it from my cold dead hands. COME AND TAKE IT!!

Wow what a MAGA hero this drunkard is

2014. Republicans are still trying to save traditional lightbulbs.

Yep same old song and dance from the Party who’s only skill is looking backwards :kewl:

Pete F.

01-13-2023, 09:03 AM

I don't think anything shows how hollow the culture wars are more than the governor of Florida, the state with one of the lowest rates of gas stove ownership, making gas stoves his biggest issue.

If you can outrage 5% of the electorate enough that they vote - you can swing an election.
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wdmso

01-13-2023, 09:06 AM

Republicans now want to
eliminate

the national income tax and replace it with a national consumption tax.

A consumption tax is a tax on what people spend, rather than what people earn.

Love Republicans logic by they assume all voters are as dumb as republican voters.

Household earnings $87,431

Total household expenditures $66,928

Housing expenditures $22,624

Transportation expenditures $10,961

Food expenditures $8,289

Increase in household expenditures from 2020 9.1%

Percent of people’s income devoted to living expenses 76.5%

Top 1% of U.S. Earners Now Hold More Wealth Than All of the Middle Class

consumption taxes is that they tend to be regressive. Regressive taxes absorb a larger share of the earnings of people with lower incomes than of people with higher incomes. This is because people with lower incomes use a larger portion of their income for consumption than do those with higher incomes.

Do republicans actually think the use the same % of their income to live as middle class Americans

Ya ok
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Jim in CT

01-13-2023, 10:09 AM

Yep same old song and dance from the Party who’s only skill is looking backwards :kewl:

tell that to the children of FL who enjoyed being in school
when kids in blue states were shut out of school. Tell that to the workers in FL who stayed on the job while their peers in blue states were on welfare.

Kids in cages? Swell when Obama did it, a crime when trump did it.

Lying to get elected? No problem when Biden, Liz Warren, and Richard Blumenthal do it, but disqualifying when Santos does it.

politically motivated congressional hearings? Awesome when democrats looked into a fake Russia hoax, irresponsible when republicans do it.

Denying election results? Nothing to worry about what Hakeem Jeffries does it, but revolting when any republican does it.

there’s a pattern here, and it’s not subtle.

wdmso

01-13-2023, 10:12 AM

tell that to the children of FL who enjoyed being in school
when kids in blue states were shut out of school. Tell that to the workers in FL who stayed on the job while their peers in blue states were on welfare.

Kids in cages? Swell when Obama did it, a crime when trump did it.

Lying to get elected? No problem when Biden, Liz Warren, and Richard Blumenthal do it, but disqualifying when Santos does it.

politically motivated congressional hearings? Awesome when democrats looked into a fake Russia hoax, irresponsible when republicans do it.

Denying election results? Nothing to worry about what Hakeem Jeffries does it, but revolting when any republican does it.

The Broken record speaks. :faga:

the entire republican party ready to start a full on war over the mere discussion, because the culture war and conflict is literally their entire party ideology, who care neither about evidence nor what is actually being said or by whom.

Jim in CT

01-13-2023, 10:45 AM

The Broken record speaks. :faga:

the entire republican party ready to start a full on war over the mere discussion, because the culture war and conflict is literally their entire party ideology, who care neither about evidence nor what is actually being said or by whom.

every equivalence that appears to show the democrats using a double standard, is a “false” equivalence. That’s your standard. if it makes the left look bad, it can’t be a valid equivalence. you don’t even care what’s being equated. If it paints democrats in a negative light, it’s a false equivalence.

our party ideology also includes not allowing living babies to whither and die, fiscal responsibility, limited federal government, string national defense. The horror!

wdmso

01-13-2023, 11:41 AM

every equivalence that appears to show the democrats using a double standard, is a “false” equivalence. That’s your standard. if it makes the left look bad, it can’t be a valid equivalence. you don’t even care what’s being equated. If it paints democrats in a negative light, it’s a false equivalence.

our party ideology also includes not allowing living babies to whither and die, fiscal responsibility, limited federal government, string national defense. The horror!

Jim you’re just intellectually dishonest if you weren’t you wouldn’t compare Richard Blumenthal behavior to santos Or you post your half truths about Ron.

Gov. Ron DeSantis announced Saturday afternoon that Florida’s public school campuses will remain closed for the remainder of the school year.

Florida has now joined the list of states that are ordering residents to remain in their homes for all but essential activities to help stop the spread of the coronavirus. Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis made the announcement at an afternoon briefing. It was just a few hours after he spoke to President Trump. DeSantis said he's issuing an executive order that will direct "all Floridians to limit movements and personal interactions outside the home to only those necessary to obtain or provide essential services or essential activities."

With this order, Florida is joining more than 30 other states, Washington, D.C., and Puerto Rico in ordering a lockdown. In total, the orders affect more than 85% of the U.S. population. DeSantis said the order will go into effect in Florida on Thursday at midnight.

Yes Jim The state was one of the earliest to resume in-person instruction. And lift lock down restrictions

Now with two years of perspective, DeSantis railed against strict pandemic response measures. Because he sees political benefits
Just like now he questioning Covid 19 vaccines after encouraging citizens to get vaccinated

For DeSantis, the way he handled the pandemic in Florida meant reinvention. He was seen as a national MAGA and Jim hero

wdmso

01-13-2023, 11:47 AM

Your party ideology also includes not allowing living babies to whither and die

No Jim your partys ideology has you believing in lies over truth and facts

And your so deep down the rabbit hole you actually believe the nonsense you post

That there are people allowing living babies to whither and die…

Yep that’s what’s happening across America

Pete F.

01-13-2023, 12:09 PM

I suppose all the things Jim names were in the 2020 Republican platform?
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Got Stripers

01-14-2023, 09:17 AM

If you think it’s crazy now, wait until November, when they realize the only play left is stopping any raise in the debt ceiling. We all know how fiscally responsible the republicans are, so let’s hold that hostage, no need to pay our bills.

PaulS

01-14-2023, 12:03 PM

The difference between the Democrats & GOP is a rift between adulthood & perpetual adolescence. While Dems deliver lower insulin costs, affordable hearing-aids & infrastructure. GOP argues over who gets to drive the Camaro to a keg party, even though it hasn’t passed inspection and nobody knows how to drive.
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Don't worry Rs are on in and want to roll back the drug savings.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/4953/text

To repeal prescription drug price control provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act.

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
September 27, 2022
Mr. Lee (for himself, Ms. Lummis, Mr. Lankford, and Mr. Rubio) introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Finance

A BILL
To repeal prescription drug price control provisions of the Inflation Reduction Act.

Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.

This Act may be cited as the “Protect Drug Innovation Act”.

SEC. 2. REPEAL OF PRESCRIPTION DRUG PRICE CONTROL PROVISIONS.

Effective on the date of the enactment of this Act, the provisions of parts 1, 2, and 3 of subtitle B of title I of Public Law 117–169 are repealed and the provisions of law amended by such parts are restored as if such parts had never been enacted.

Got Stripers

01-14-2023, 02:45 PM

Wonder if Jim’s hero Ron (Trump Light) will run on eliminating Obamacare, as every Republican has since it became law, hard to due when more Floridians have signed up than any other state.

wdmso

01-14-2023, 03:39 PM

Wonder if Jim’s hero Ron (Trump Light) will run on eliminating Obamacare, as every Republican has since it became law, hard to due when more Floridians have signed up than any other state.

A record 13.6 million Americans have signed up for health coverage for 2022 on the Affordable Care Act marketplaces, with nearly a month remaining to enroll in most states,

Yep the republicans and the MAGA horde think all those 13.6 million are all liberals

While many republicans and MAGA universe. Get their health care via the ACA and are vaccinated.. they’ll never admit it to their circle of friends in fear of becoming outcasts .

But they will still cheer on the house , in their efforts to stick it to the libs:sleeps:

Pete F.

01-14-2023, 03:57 PM

McCarthy agreed to a secret deal to actually breach the debt limit and shut down everything the govt does beside the military and social security. no faa, border patrol, DOJ, school lunch, education, medicaid, food safety. Everything torched.

Time to mint the trillion dollar coin

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wdmso

01-15-2023, 10:50 AM

Ryan Zinke stepped up to the microphone and into the Twilight Zone.
“Despite the ‘deep state’s’ repeated attempts to stop me, I stand before you as a duly elected member of the United States Congress and tell you that a deep state exists and is perhaps the strongest covert weapon the left has against the American people,” he told the House. The Montana Republican, who has returned to Congress after a scandal-plagued stint in President Donald Trump’s Cabinet, informed his colleagues that “the deep state runs secret messaging campaigns” and is trying “to wipe out the American cowboy.” Yee-haw! Zinke was speaking in support of a new Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government, or,

And Democrats call it, the “Tinfoil Hat Committee.” In substance, it’s the QAnon committee, with a remit to probe the “deep state” and other wacky conspiracy theories.

Republicans making everyone’s predictions a reality
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wdmso

01-15-2023, 12:42 PM

Rep. Jim Banks, R-Ind., plans to form the "first-ever Anti-Woke Caucus" within the congressional ranks, a group that believes "wokeness" has become the "greatest domestic threat to America today."

Wokeness greatest domestic threat to America today."

Republicans got new prescriptions for their glasses .. they can see woke but not insurrection

Cowards
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Pete F.

01-16-2023, 12:50 AM

Spineless Kevin McCarthy just said he will “look at” bringing a vote to expunge Trump’s impeachment.

In case you were wondering who owns him.
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wdmso

01-16-2023, 09:59 AM

Spineless Kevin McCarthy just said he will “look at” bringing a vote to expunge Trump’s impeachment.

In case you were wondering who owns him.
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Facts can’t be erased like pencil marks. Nor can facts magically disappear.

But the Cult will try as hard as they can to re write History

wdmso

01-16-2023, 09:06 PM

A group of Republican state legislators in Wyoming have proposed a ban on electric vehicles in the state until 2035 in an attempt to protect the oil and gas industries.

Like I’ve said the party that only looks backwards
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wdmso

01-17-2023, 04:14 PM

Jordan: House Subpanel to Probe Treatment of Jan. 6 Defendants

More maga conspiracy omg criminals treated like criminals
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Pete F.

01-18-2023, 07:56 AM

Kevin McCarthy
“ House Republicans are on a mission to end wasteful Washington spending.

From now on, if a federal bureaucrat wants to spend it, they have to come before us to defend it.”

For context, roughly 25% of our total national debt incurred over the last 230 years actually occurred during the 4 years of the Trump administration. That's right. 25% of our entire national debt, all during the Trump years.
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Got Stripers

01-18-2023, 08:23 AM

wdmso

01-18-2023, 08:42 AM

Now wait, Jim claims he despises Trump the man, but loves his policies, so he loves the decisions resulting in that bump in debt?

Also the debt ceiling was raised 3 times while Trump was in office

Saw this

New species discovered: Republicans who (sometimes) care about deficits

Breaking scientific news: Researchers have identified a previously unknown species in D.C. Like cicadas, this species stays underground for years at a time, typically in four- or eight-year intervals. Its members hide away until there is an auspicious change in the ecosystem. Then, they bust out and wreak havoc.
This species: Republicans who care about deficits.

From 2017 through early 2021, members of the species lay dormant. Coincidentally, though, a nearly identical-looking sister species, Republicans who love debt, ruled Capitol Hill in their stead. With unified control of the House, Senate and White House, these debt-loving Republicans gleefully spilled red ink across the nation’s capital and beyond.
The GOP’s budgetary bloodletting began with a 2017 tax cut that cost $1.8 trillion. Their fiscal rampage then continued over the next few years, mostly on the other side of the ledger. In fact, between 2017 and early 2020, President Donald Trump added roughly as much to deficits through new spending as through tax cuts, appending his signature to more than $2 trillion in unfunded spending program expansions, according to the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget.

During all that time, there was rarely a peep from the right side of the aisle about deficit concerns. The debt limit — the statutory ceiling on how much the federal government can borrow to pay off its existing bills — was raised several times with little fuss, and no conditions. No one tried to hold it hostage.

Then, the ecosystem changed. Specifically: A Democrat reentered the White House

No one’s is shocked and its not usual the GOP and their supporters suffer from amnesia

PaulS

01-18-2023, 09:35 AM

Jim in CT

01-18-2023, 09:57 AM

Interesting article:

In his paper “Public Opinion Roots of Election Denialism,” published on Jan. 6, the second anniversary of the storming of the Capitol, Charles Stewart III, a political scientist at M.I.T., argues that “among Republicans, conspiracism has a potent effect on embracing election denialism, followed by racial resentment.”

According to Stewart’s calculations, “a Republican at the 10th percentile of the conspiracism scale has a 55.7 percent probability of embracing election denialism, compared to a Republican at the 90th percentile, at 86.6 percent, over 30 points higher. A Republican at the 10th percentile on the racial resentment scale has a 59.4 percent probability of embracing denialism, compared to 83.2 percent for a Republican at the 90th percentile on the same scale.”

In other words, the two most powerful factors driving Republicans who continue to believe that Trump actually won the 2020 election are receptivity to conspiracy thinking and racial resentment.

“The most confirmed Republican denialists,” Stewart writes, “believe that large malevolent forces are at work in world events, racial minorities are given too much deference in society and America’s destiny is a Christian one.”

Along parallel lines, Neil Siegel, a law professor at Duke, argues in his 2021 article “The Trump Presidency, Racial Realignment and the Future of Constitutional Norms,” that Donald Trump “is more of an effect than a cause of larger racial and cultural changes in American society that are causing Republican voters and politicians to perceive an existential threat to their continued political and cultural power — and, relatedly, to deny the legitimacy of their political opponents.”

In this climate, Siegel continues, “It is very unlikely that Republican politicians will respect constitutional norms when they deem so much to be at stake in each election and significant governmental decision.”

The current democratic leader in the house, Hakeem Jeffries, repeatedly denied that Trump won in 2016. That didn't stop democrats from making him house minority leader. Doesn't that suggest that your side doesn't actually care about election deniers?

The guys you cite here, interestingly, have absolutely zero to say about that. Same with Stacey Abrams' moronic, self-serving claims. Because it's only concerning when Republicans do it.

"“It is very unlikely that Republican politicians will respect constitutional norms "

This must explain why red states are rounding up all their political opponents and killing them.

During the pandemic, blue states ordered churches to be closed and allowed anti-police rallies to continue.

For every single example you want to cite of a republican trampling on a generally-accepted constitutional norm, I can cite an example of a democrat doing the same thing. But again, as always, it's only worrisome when republicans do it.

Yes, liberal democrats are much more likely to abide by what the constitution says, than republicans. Republicans are motivated by denying all elections we lose, and by racism. That's it.

the nice thing about truly demonizing your opposition, is that when you occasionally lose elections, you can always blame the other side. Nothing is ever your fault when the other side are a bunch of deplorable, racist, hate mongering barbarians. as long as you oppose them, you must be on the correct side of every single
issue.

That’s a lot easier than explaining why tax and spend economics like we enjoy here in CT is good policy, easier than defending the idea that living babies post birth, still are not human beings. Easier than explaining why it’s not discriminatory to have higher admissions standards for Asian Americans at Ivy League colleges. Easier than explaining why there’s no downside to letting men share bathrooms and locker rooms with girls. Easier than defending the brilliant idea that the solution to crime, is less police. Just smear the other side rather than defending your own platform. Makes life a lot easier.

Pete F.

01-18-2023, 10:09 AM

The current democratic leader in the house, Hakeem Jeffries, repeatedly denied that Trump won in 2016. That didn't stop democrats from making him house minority leader. Doesn't that suggest that your side doesn't actually care about election deniers?

The guys you cite here, interestingly, have absolutely zero to say about that. Same with Stacey Abrams' moronic, self-serving claims. Because it's only concerning when Republicans do it.

"“It is very unlikely that Republican politicians will respect constitutional norms "

This must explain why red states are rounding up all their political opponents and killing them.

During the pandemic, blue states ordered churches to be closed and allowed anti-police rallies to continue.

For every single example you want to cite of a republican trampling on a generally-accepted constitutional norm, I can cite an example of a democrat doing the same thing. But again, as always, it's only worrisome when republicans do it.

Yes, liberal democrats are much more likely to abide by what the constitution says, than republicans. Republicans are motivated by denying all elections we lose, and by racism. That's it.

Jim have you ever looked at a picture of Republicans?

ELAINE CHAO GOES AFTER TRUMP’S COVID FAILURES, SAYING THAT HAD HE FOCUSSED ON VACCINATIONS RATHER THAN “KIM JONG’S SCHLONG” MAYBE A MILLION AMERICANS WOULD NOT HAVE DIED.

None of the people you cite called for their supporters to storm the Capitol, Donald Trump refused to accept no for an answer from the American people.
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