You apology means nothing to me.

You can take it and stick it where the sun don't shine as far as I'm concerned.

I wonder how the fishing is in Iraq????

FC_Brain_Not_Alive,

Your assumption is wrong. I will not assume, as it makes an ASS out of U and ME.

Get it through your thick left-wing pansie-ass skull.

FCAlive ---
You are VERY ignorant to the ways and truths of this world. Your opinions are so illogical, that I feel you are writing this as a way to goad the good people of this board, and cannot possible beleive the dribble you are writing. Surely, no one of mature age could think and act as irresponsibly as you do.

I hope in the future that when American troops are asked to protect YOU, that they turn a blind eye and allow our enemies to have their way with you. Do us all a favor and leave this country which you so obvioulsy do not beleive in. You are a traitor for sure!

Out of respect for JohnR, I am leaving this thread now. You have not answered any of my questions I have posed to you anyway. Probably because you cannot answer them, or because you need to wait to hear back from Saddam an what you should say in response. Good bye loser!

Homerun04,

I am not ignorant. I am an idealist.
I will not stand for our government going to war without full honesty and full disclosure.

Please post the question that i refused to answer.

For one, I asked you to offer an alternate solution that the US should take in order to resoleve this conflict.....of course you refused to address this because all liberals beleive in complaining without offering any solutions.....

NO, YOU'RE AN IDIOT WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLEANED OUT OF THE GENE POOL A LONG TIME AGO!

WeeWee - I don't disagree with your argument but I do think part of your delivery should be removed... Please edit it before I need to... Still trying to keep the "family-friendly" moniker here...

Thanks,

John

I want the United States to continue working within the global community to deal with Saddam.

I think that taking premptive military action in the face of massive global disagreement is the wrong decision.

We should let international law decide such a matter even if it will be a much slower process.

Why are we in such a hurry all of a sudden?

I deleted the post entirely.

If you are going for family friendly, why don't you say something to fishweewee

Read the post with a clear mind and you'll see that I was asking him.

International law & the International Body FAILED for 12 years and International law & the International body FAILED since this started becoming a topic a year ago... Is that a hurry?

So is the US above international law?

It's too late, Numbskull. We started a war, we ain't gonna finish until Saddam's head is on a skewer.

Deal with it and live with it.

You ain't going to change the world by starting arguments on a fishing web site.

Gentlemen (and I am using that word quite liberally in light of some [not all] of the posts I've seen...:(.......)

I am still unclear of our "friend's" motive here.....I keep going back and forth....but, um, if indeed it is to stir up emotions, a few of you have, well, as I said two weeks ago, been "gut-hooked"....WeeWee, I am especially suprised at you, would have thought you, of all people, would know better.......

Let me say it again....name calling and anger does not make for any intelligent conversation. In fact, it serves the opposite purpose, and makes your particular side of the arguement look foolish.

I realize at times like this it may be difficult to limit your emotons on each side, but think about this for a minute....I saw a thread about the anti-war protesters, and how once they steer away from peaceful demonstration, and engage in violent and disruptive actions, they are no longer "peace protesters".

Um, same holds ture for both sides, guys, so perhaps some of you should look in the mirror.....:(

Carry on...........

In this regard you are totally right.
We have started something that we cannot stop.

I hope the US kicks Saddam's a-ss and the war is over swiftly.

I think the consequences or our actions will not be good though.

I had written a fairly long repsonse to this latest dribble post from FCAlive, but decided to not post it as there really is no reason to dignify his ignorance any further. Surely, anyone who sees his reply will understand his inability to grasp the reality of our current global situations. The self-proclaimed "idealist" probably beleives that fairies and leprechauns are going to solve all these problems.

While I may not be as harsh as some in repudiating you, I can say that in the spirit of this board, I truly hope that this year while you are fishing, that when the Stripers are hitting on eels - you are throwing plugs....that when you finally hit into that 50+ pounder, that your line chaffs and you drop the fish at the boat(after seeing it first, of course).....that all your stripers conatain sea lice......that your new reel has unlimited rats nest problems just in time for your first cast of your new plug......and most of all, that sometime in your life you wake up to how wonderful the United States of America is and that the very freeedom that allows you to post such nonsence on this board is not shared by everyone in this world, and you should be kissing the feet of the US Governemtn and service men who hace UNFAILINGLY provided you with this freedom all your life.

FCAlive = reincarnation of Mr. Stalin.

Steve-

You missed FCIdiot's post earlier.

He put up a list of deceased U.S. soldier's names (who died in combat) and implied they died in vain.

Even if this mental midget is a troll, he stepped way over the line.

I don't take issue with people who want to have a discussion, but mocking the dead is beneath contempt.

I did miss it, and I take SERIOUS insult to such words or thoughts.

I have never served in any military capacity in my lifetime (and I regret it very much). Mr. FCAlive shows his radical views when saying that the service people of our country are dying in vain in this conflict.

He is ill-informed, mislead, and a sympathizer to all things for which America does NOT stand for. He beleives in turning a blind eye towards opperessive, global tyranny, he beleives the US Government is a big rouse designed to "trick" the American people, he beleives America has no obligation (nor right) to assist the less-fortunate in this world, and he beleives that Democracy is one big attempt to keep the wealthy in control ove rthe less wealthy. In short, he beleives many of the same concepts that folks like Stalin, Moussilini and Heussein beleive in. And we know how history has judged those folks.

So Mr. FCAlive should be proud to know that he has some famous company on his side.

The US has fought many wars, most good, some bad.

US servicemen have given me the rights which I treasure.

That doesn't mean that I have to support the US military without question.

I feel that I must explain my earlier post.

I was tried to bring some emotion to my side of the argument, but I see that my post was truly disgusting.

Again I apologize to those who were offended (probably everybody who read it)

Homerun04,

Do you really think that Iraq has a bigger role in global tyranny than the US?

JohnR -- let's take this question to the populace here at S-B. Can you put up a poll simply asking the following (assuming the verbiage is alright with Mr. FCAlive).

"Do you beleive the US is justified in taking military action in Iraq at this time?"

P.S. For Mr. FCAlive's sake, the word verbiage means "wording".

Have I shown any indication that i would have trouble understanding you, or was that just an uneccesary dig?

Given that I haven't had one person agree with me in posts (a couple came close), I conceded the poll to you Homerun. It might be interesting though.

You have demonstrated an UNBELIEVABLE ability to misunderstand many things this morning.

No, dumbass, ALL wars are bad in my book. What is a "good" war? This reflects fuzzy and inarticulate thinking. Typical of most loony left-wing types.

Damn right.

And nobody here ever said you had to. A little bit of consideration to those who gave their lives serving this country as well as their families is in order, you #^&#^&#^&#^&head.

A good war is a war with favorable consequences.

Yeah right. Wars are about breaking things and killing/hurting/maiming people. Lots of "favorable consequences" there, dillhole.

When I think of armed conflicts, I think about those instances where the prosecution of which have "just" causes. Like when a bad guy named Saddam Hussein invades another country and somebody has to fight a war to kick him out. Or like when the very same bad guy has a toy chest of evil weapons that might some day end up being used on us. Whether that day would have come with or without a war - I ain't gonna sit here with my thumb up my rear and find out.

In the final analysis, better them (a few wacky Iraqis) than us.

End of story.

Stop harping on "good war". You know exactly what I meant.


I agree with your statement that,

"In the final analysis, better them (a few thousand wacky Iraqis) than us."


I just don't think that is what this boils down to.

Stop harping about the oil issue.

This war is less about oil than the establishment of stability in a region that could conceivably suck the entire world into war.

Okay, I've been quite long enough, and while this may not make me a favorite here, I can't hold my tongue any longer:


"These brave soldiers have died in a war to line the pockets of Cheney, Bush, and friends."

Yep, that was harsh. And if it was meant to say that these brave fellows died believing that's what they were doing, it is definately out of order. I have every reason to believe that our guys in the military are there fighting and dying because they believe they are protecting America and their citizen for all that we have and cherish. And I give thanks to them everyday for doing so.

I think the point was, and what some people have missed, is not the question of what the guys in the trenches believe they are fighting for. Not what the guys in the "War Room" believe they are fighting for, not what Commander Franks believes he is fighting for. And I admire them for fighting this war in that belief. I admire their bravery and couragousness, and their sacrifice.

I think Mr. Alive's question, howver, is what the true motives for this war are, at the top (And by at the TOP, I don't just mean Mr. Bush and his cohorts, but many, many others). And at times, I have to ask that same question myself. And, no, as a lot of you know, I AM NOT a left wing, hemp sandal wearing, pity the world, pacifist that some of you have accused Mr. Alive as being.

I recently read an article that was quite powerful and moving, and I am searching to find it to post it in it's entirity here, titled "10 Reasons the US Should Not Invade Iraq". The article made a realistic and thought out argument against every reason people think we should do it, and I have to tell you, I agreed with every point.

So, while I support our boys over there, because at least THEY are fighting for something they believe in (whether that belief has been the result of misrepresentation or not), I can't in honesty say that I can blindly support the motives of the guys that made the top level decison to do this, as, yep, there is a whole lot more to this than protecting US against attack, "liberating Iraq", halting terrorism and WMDs, and all the other arguements in favor of it. And those other motives are NOT good.........

I'll see if I can't find the article on line and post it....