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big jay 08-28-2007 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Casting Z's (Post 520395)
This was between me and my fishing partner, MDM. Got to the point where we had to buy back up reels.
As far as an agenda! It wouldn't surprise me to know how proud you are of that spiffy boat photo your sporting at the bottom of your post.
When it came to buying it, I'm sure you didn't cheap out.
The Van Staal is a great boat reel as far as I'm concerned, but doesn't hold up to constant dunking like a ZeeBaas. I'm just offering my feed back here so buzz off!

Your "feeback" sounds like trashing one brand, and giving an infomercial for another. And your first post made it sound like you killed 5 reels yourself - you didn't mention that you were including someone elses experience in your stats.

As for my boat - Thank you. I am proud of her.

Casting Z's 08-28-2007 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by big jay (Post 520428)
Your "feeback" sounds like trashing one brand, and giving an infomercial for another. And your first post made it sound like you killed 5 reels yourself - you didn't mention that you were including someone elses experience in your stats.

As for my boat - Thank you. I am proud of her.

And am proud to own the toughest SURF reel available period....

Don't forget, this is a poll!
I still own two 150VS's (soon to sell them off) and sold a 200. That's a lot of cash to put out just to have a backup surf reel. The 200 held up great, but I didn't use it as my nightly reel as it is too big and not necessary for big stripers. At best, in the open ocean, the cows will run 100 yds and turn to the left or right before tiring.
I now put all my eggs in one basket after seeing how well built and sealed these ZeeBaas are. I took one apart and put it back together in under 10 min. I posted pics on SOL under "inside the ZeeBaas" if anyone is interested.

Flaptail 08-28-2007 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Casting Z's (Post 520452)
And am proud to own the toughest SURF reel available period....

Don't forget, this is a poll!
I still own two 150VS's (soon to sell them off) and sold a 200. That's a lot of cash to put out just to have a backup surf reel. The 200 held up great, but I didn't use it as my nightly reel as it is too big and not necessary for big stripers. At best, in the open ocean, the cows will run 100 yds and turn to the left or right before tiring.
I now put all my eggs in one basket after seeing how well built and sealed these ZeeBaas are. I took one apart and put it back together in under 10 min. I posted pics on SOL under "inside the ZeeBaas" if anyone is interested.

What is your actual affiliation with ZEE-BAAS? I mean come on now do you think we are really all that stupid or do you really just love the reel that much which is really disturbing given what it does as opposed to what it cost as opposed to what your fishing for.

And lastly can you get me a free one?

ThrowingTimber 08-28-2007 10:54 AM

I could easily go online and say I wrecked 900 van staals. I need proof to believe stuff... hear say and speculation isnt tangible for me :rotflmao:

call me grumpy, non-social or whatever but I believe none of what I read or hear and half of what I see first hand. :D

JohnR 08-28-2007 10:58 AM

Casting Zs - You may have had the worst luck with VS of anyone I have ever met. I know guys that have been fishing VS for so long that they have had them now allocated in their wills... I don't think I have met someone that has had as many problems with the VS as you have. Guys who fish really hard and abuse the crap out of reels and catch a lot of fish.

I think the ZB is a great reel (other than too small currently) and time will tell how it holds up. Biggest fish I've landed on mine so far is 24# so we'll still need to see how it stacks up on large fish.

It is hard at times reading your post on the ZeeBaas because you sound like you treat it with higher regard than your children (assuming you have some). You've sworn us up & down that you have no affiliation whatsoever with ZB, or any tackle shop or fishing entitiy, right? So why the hard sell? Why the VS Trash Talk? The ZeeBaas may be better than the Van Staal, time will tell, but we need to see the time - this reel has been on the market for about a year, it will take time....

When people say you sound like you have an agenda, it's because - about ZB - it sounds like you have an agenda... So in the words of John Winger, "Lighten Up Francis" :bl: - at least a little....

Thanks

UserRemoved1 08-28-2007 11:02 AM

wow I can't wait for this winter :lurk: :rotflmao:

Casting Z's 08-28-2007 11:05 AM

I love this little private club you guys have here! A few individuals seem to run the roost. DARE NOT CONTRADICT ANY OF US HERE OR ELSE!
WE'LL :hang:EM HIGH!
I don't really see the need to prove myself to any of you. It wouldn't matter any way!
Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm

JohnR 08-28-2007 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Casting Z's (Post 520469)
I love this little private club you guys have here! A few individuals seem to run the roost. DARE NOT CONTRADICT ANY OF US HERE OR ELSE!

Hehehe, no club, just a bunch of people that see a lot of snake oil salespeople come along. I don't think you are selling snake oil because you repeatedly state you have no fishing interests business-wise. BUT, you do come across as thick about pro ZB (you are now the standard barer :hihi: ) and as anti-VS as Flaptail (the current standard barer :hihi: ). Take an out of body experience for a little bit and look in your threads on how you ballwash for ZeeBaas. There is no question on how you like them and it is understandable, they are sweet reels - for some people. But you come across as a zealot, perhaps more so than even you think. I've been on this board for a while and was on web/BBS for longer and I say this with all sincereness, the tone you take Pro ZB is like that of a fanatical salesman, no soft sell at all.



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WE'LL :hang:EM HIGH!
I don't really see the need to prove myself to any of you. It wouldn't matter any way!
That's just it, there is nothing to prove. Show your love for fishing, you r enjoyment. The ZeeBaas will take care of itself. You don't need to prove it's mettle by trashing it's principle competitor. Honestly, it does not do the ZeeBaas much good - as a sales tool - to be so fanatically for ZB and so flamatory against VS...

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Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm
Very nice work remodeling (I don't think remodeling is the right word here), way out of my league for "Home Improvements", but very nice work :btu:

Nebe 08-28-2007 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Casting Z's (Post 520469)
Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm

since this thread has already gone offcourse...
wow.. its nice to see a craftsman in the house- i love your website- did you do it yourself?? I am just about to re-do mine.. If any of your clients need custom glass pendant lights let me know :D
As for defending yourself, dont let these guys get to you.. they are very proud of their gear and get grumpy when they are told it isnt the best.

Flaptail 08-28-2007 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Casting Z's (Post 520469)
I love this little private club you guys have here! A few individuals seem to run the roost. DARE NOT CONTRADICT ANY OF US HERE OR ELSE!
WE'LL :hang:EM HIGH!
I don't really see the need to prove myself to any of you. It wouldn't matter any way!
Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm

Does this mean I don't get a free one? :(

Flaptail 08-28-2007 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 520474)
Hehehe, no club, just a bunch of people that see a lot of snake oil salespeople come along. I don't think you are selling snake oil because you repeatedly state you have no fishing interests business-wise. BUT, you do come across as thick about pro ZB (you are now the standard barer :hihi: ) and as anti-VS as Flaptail (the current standard barer :hihi: ). Take an out of body experience for a little bit and look in your threads on how you ballwash for ZeeBaas. There is no question on how you like them and it is understandable, they are sweet reels - for some people. But you come across as a zealot, perhaps more so than even you think. I've been on this board for a while and was on web/BBS for longer and I say this with all sincereness, the tone you take Pro ZB is like that of a fanatical salesman, no soft sell at all.





That's just it, there is nothing to prove. Show your love for fishing, you r enjoyment. The ZeeBaas will take care of itself. You don't need to prove it's mettle by trashing it's principle competitor. Honestly, it does not do the ZeeBaas much good - as a sales tool - to be so fanatically for ZB and so flamatory against VS...



Very nice work, way out of my league, but very nice work :btu:

Bossman, shouldn't it be standard "bearer" not "barer"? Although baring the hype about VanZebco is accurate in my case and works for me!!!!!

BTW they are still in discussion about what we talked about last week at Plugfest here at work. If something breaks I will let you know, I did mention I had a guy in mind who could possibly fit the bill.

JohnR 08-28-2007 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Flaptail (Post 520494)
Bossman, shouldn't it be standard "bearer" not "barer"? Although baring the hype about VanZebco is accurate in my case and works for me!!!!!

- Yeh, yeh, yeh - well, my editing skills (and spell check apparently) need a little bit of work :hihi:

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BTW they are still in discussion about what we talked about last week at Plugfest here at work. If something breaks I will let you know, I did mention I had a guy in mind who could possibly fit the bill.
Uhhh, yep.... Like I said, I would be happy to assist in a part time complimentary role :hee:

striperondafly 08-28-2007 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by snake slinger (Post 520239)
flap why do you insult people because you dont like VS?

Good question?? Here's another one - why does he care what others fish??

Where and how I fish - there is no other reel that can handle the conditions. I have a scrap heap of Shimanos. What's left are boat only reels.

tattoobob 08-28-2007 02:39 PM

This is funny, I think everyone needs to get a life :gorez:

ThrowingTimber 08-28-2007 03:07 PM

raise the bridge we've got another troll :rotflmao:

snake slinger 08-28-2007 03:22 PM

were haveing all this fun and #^&#^&#^&#^&#^&#^&'s not in on it

vanstaal 08-28-2007 03:27 PM

I like to thank the people who voted in the poll this z bass thing if u got issues start a thread and the people who r interested in your crap will enter and reply if the seem fit to. I started this thread to find information and you hijacked it NO ONE CARES ABOUT Z BASS ITS A VS THREAD the best reel in the world as I see it :wid:

numbskull 08-28-2007 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by vanstaal (Post 520546)
ITS A VS THREAD the best reel in the world as I see it :wid:

Curious. A 30% failure rate in a reel you need to send back to be fixed hardly seems to be a great testament to the reel's value. Of course they are sometimes fished in conditions where everything else would have a 100% failure rate, and clearly people who use them like them anyways (which is probably the best testament to a product's value). Still, the poll results seem to suggest there is plenty of room for improvement in the product. Obviously what ZB is trying to do, though building something better AT GREATER COST is not exactly brilliant engineering.

Casting Z's 08-28-2007 06:01 PM

Your right John! It's the craftsman in me. When I do or see something so well done, I want everyone to know that it's was created with a no compromise mentality. Only from a pure love of what someone is doing can produce the quality that is unmatched. I only push products I know are as good as the work I do. As for ZeeBaas, I'm trying to help out one of the last true 100% american built products from a man who really cares about what he offers to us.
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnR (Post 520474)
Hehehe, no club, just a bunch of people that see a lot of snake oil salespeople come along. I don't think you are selling snake oil because you repeatedly state you have no fishing interests business-wise. BUT, you do come across as thick about pro ZB (you are now the standard barer :hihi: ) and as anti-VS as Flaptail (the current standard barer :hihi: ). Take an out of body experience for a little bit and look in your threads on how you ballwash for ZeeBaas. There is no question on how you like them and it is understandable, they are sweet reels - for some people. But you come across as a zealot, perhaps more so than even you think. I've been on this board for a while and was on web/BBS for longer and I say this with all sincereness, the tone you take Pro ZB is like that of a fanatical salesman, no soft sell at all.





That's just it, there is nothing to prove. Show your love for fishing, you r enjoyment. The ZeeBaas will take care of itself. You don't need to prove it's mettle by trashing it's principle competitor. Honestly, it does not do the ZeeBaas much good - as a sales tool - to be so fanatically for ZB and so flamatory against VS...



Very nice work remodeling (I don't think remodeling is the right word here), way out of my league for "Home Improvements", but very nice work :btu:


Casting Z's 08-28-2007 06:53 PM

I've learned you're the glass blower. You should see the four custom light fixtures one of my clients had made. They are between 24- 30" tall and shaped like olives, with different colors. 3.5" openings at the top and bottom. I rigged the wires with woven braided SS. sheath, ( the stuff like a chinese finger traps) and custom built hardware to retain the weight of 20# from twenty five feet above the floor. I'll try to send you some pics if I can find any displaying them.
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Originally Posted by Nebe (Post 520484)
since this thread has already gone offcourse...
wow.. its nice to see a craftsman in the house- i love your website- did you do it yourself?? I am just about to re-do mine.. If any of your clients need custom glass pendant lights let me know :D
As for defending yourself, dont let these guys get to you.. they are very proud of their gear and get grumpy when they are told it isnt the best.


Nebe 08-28-2007 07:55 PM

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I'd love to see them- heres one of mine....

Casting Z's 08-29-2007 05:50 AM

That is slick NeBe! Beautiful work.

dredey 08-29-2007 07:01 AM

I had 2 van staals fail on me while fishing. One while pencil popping and the other anti reverse bearing gave out w/fish on. They were repaired at no cost and the van staal customer service is top notch. No problems with my 7" vs pliers though. To me I still would not use anything else.

Casting Z's 08-29-2007 06:06 PM

VS pliers are super top notch!
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Originally Posted by dredey (Post 520682)
I had 2 van staals fail on me while fishing. One while pencil popping and the other anti reverse bearing gave out w/fish on. They were repaired at no cost and the van staal customer service is top notch. No problems with my 7" vs pliers though. To me I still would not use anything else.


JohnR 08-29-2007 07:34 PM

Editorial note on the Pol, it does look like there is a tie at this time between:

the same problem more than once with three votes

and

the same problem more than once with three votes

:smash: :jump1: :rotf2: :buds:

basswipe 08-30-2007 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Casting Z's (Post 520469)
Here's my affiliation with ZeeBaas!

http://www.davidryng.com/flash.htm

Exactly what does plugging your biz have to do with fishing?

There are quite few of us here who've been in the trades who don't plug what we do here.Matter of fact many including myself have been at it longer, been doing it harder and simply put are better at it but we ain't promoting it on a fishing site unless we're a sponsor.

To be honest it almost comes across as a slap in the face.Think about how you come across..."screw you,this is what I do.Look at my work."

And before you respond notice in my response I mentioned no fishing reels or an opinion thereof.I simply take offense to the notion that somehow your sh!t don't stink and possibly some of ours does.

Nebe 08-30-2007 08:19 PM

I think you guys are over reacting to casting Z's excitement about the z-bass. God forbid that someone might have saved up a chunk of cash to buy the most ultimate reel in the universe only to discover that there might be a better one out there..

Fishing is much like religion and if there is one thing about religion i have learned in my life is that Pushing ones views upon another rarely works out for the best.

Some swear by Penn 704's or 6500's.. some swear by Nautil's.. in the end its what YOU feel comfortable with. Every reel is going to have an issue sooner or later if you repetitively dunk it under salt water.


i own a VS 2oo... I use it sometimes and sometimes I use my Abu's.... they are all just tools in the tool box for me.. not a status symbols, not toys... just well maintained tools for catching fish.

Casting Z's 08-30-2007 11:32 PM

You missed the point! My affiliation with ZeeBaas is no affiliation at all. Just chill Basswipe!
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Originally Posted by basswipe (Post 521092)
Exactly what does plugging your biz have to do with fishing?

There are quite few of us here who've been in the trades who don't plug what we do here.Matter of fact many including myself have been at it longer, been doing it harder and simply put are better at it but we ain't promoting it on a fishing site unless we're a sponsor.

To be honest it almost comes across as a slap in the face.Think about how you come across..."screw you,this is what I do.Look at my work."

And before you respond notice in my response I mentioned no fishing reels or an opinion thereof.I simply take offense to the notion that somehow your sh!t don't stink and possibly some of ours does.


Terence 08-31-2007 07:41 AM

Had a few problems from hard use and Dan took great care of me. Top notch customer service from him.
David has replaced bearings and seals for me as well.
Still a great reel.

JohnR 08-31-2007 08:44 AM

Yeh, I think we are going over as over top on this thread as CZ is GooGaa over the ZB :hihi: (wink wink nudge nudge - lest anyone think this was being overly critical ;) )

Basswipe - no relation to plugging his biz and the ZB... It was a "This is what I do for work" kinda thing....

Terence 08-31-2007 09:07 AM

I think everything breaks if you use it alot. Some things less than others. I'm on my second set of waders this year!
My Pliers have never failed me nor have any of my Lamiglas rods.
It all depends on how hard you use it.

bassbudda 08-31-2007 08:16 PM

THE SIX I HAVE ARE ALL PRODUCTS OF STRATFORD. TOOK THEM OVER FOR A CHECK UP. NO PROBLEMO.
HAS ANYONE NOTICED AN APPRECIABLE DIFFERENCE IN DURABILITY/QUALITY/ PERFORMANCE, IN THE STRATFORD MFG'D REELS VS. THE OK/ OTHER PLACES WHERE THEY ARE NOW MADE?

BUDDA:thanks:

Goose 09-01-2007 01:58 PM

Had the drag clicker fall off the spool last night. $650+4 years of service+ A BIG WTF! So now if I wanna set the reel down for a few with the drag loose I can't. Still love the reel though.


Whats VS gonna do this winta for me,,,fixit or repair it or nada?

steve 09-01-2007 02:50 PM

I have been using V. S.'s since the beginning and have had zero problems. Actually, I'm still using my black 200's from the original company and like them the best.

vanstaal 09-02-2007 02:46 PM

from my understanding is that the Main gear isn't made by VS it's tooled by toro I think he said ? but it's only the 300's with the problem the tolerance was wrong for the reverse leg 20 thousandths had some that were in the 50's mine being one of them, all fixed now I thought they all had something wrong with them:cheers: thanks to all for your input


ps sent it out on Tuesday pm received it back on Fri @900 am

Headhunter 09-03-2007 05:00 PM

I have had several different problems, several times. But the reels always fished, or at last 99% of the time. I beat the snot out of them all the time and they dont get any respect at all, I dont even wash them off. They are in the water 99 % of the time banging on rocks ,falling with them,use my stcks for walking poles. and other reels would be trash! Might I add they never charged me a cent over the maintenance cost. Not for bearings ,shafts, or bent handles! luv em!


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